Response below. > I had recently posted some information on two Paynes who had settled in the > 1750's in what was then Orange County, NC, at the time my John Satterfield > moved there. This Robert and John Payne established an ordinary with my John > Satterfield in 1775 after Caswell was set off from Orange County. The > community of Paynes Tavern still exists today, which is on the southeastern > side of Person County, which was a part of Caswell in those days. Family > lore promoted the idea that these men were related to Dolly Payne Madison, > but I have not seen a document to verify that. The Satterfields and the > Paynes often witnessed documents for each other, and I have always wondered > if their relationship was just business. I descend from this John Payne. I found mention of him in old family papers that were kept by my gr-gr-aunt in the mid-late 1800's. I have no idea what her source was or how reliable her information was. But for whatever it's worth..... Her notes state that he was from England and a cousin of the Earl of Granville who promised him land if he'd come to America with "his" daughters and a Mr Jones. I don't know who the "his" was referring to. According to Person County Heritage, John Payne's wife was Susanna Satterwhite whom he married 2/11/1769 in Granville Co. Their daughter Anne Payne m Jesse Carter Jr d 1815 Caswell Co. Their son John Payne Carter m 1821 Cornelia Ann Murphey, daughter of Judge Archibald DeBow Murphey. They were the grandparents of my gr-gr-aunt who kept these notes. A Susan Satterwhite was also the first wife of Jesse Carter Sr and the mother of Jesse Carter Jr who m Anne Payne. This from a book by Joseph Miller about the descendants of Capt Thomas Carter. I have never found anything to explain any kinship between Susanna Satterwhite and Susan Satterwhite. I don't have any information concerning the parents of either. I would certainly suggest checking whatever records are available to try to verify these connections. I have seen many books with errors and can't guarantee that this information is accurate since this is not a family that I've tried to document myself.