Hello all, I missed the message regarding the surveyor explanation, so I don't know the direction the conversation took, but in North Carolina the chain carriers accompanied the surveyor; one represented the purchaser; the other the seller. This was to prevent one side from improperly adjusting the measurement for one party or the other. In a message dated 4/23/01 11:54:05 AM, Jkl4325@aol.com writes: << Paul, thanks for the explanation on surveyors. Would anyone happen to know of any lists of surveyors for Virginia and North Carolina? I have a pssoble distant realitive, John Hilurn, who worked as a "second chain" with John and Ruebin Procter surveying land. thanks folks! Jeannie researching Hilburn/Vaughan/Simmons/Upchurch/Procter familes of 1680 to 1769 in Virginia and North Carolina. >>