Can anyone tell me if back around 1878, an S may have resembled a Z. I have an old death record document that I am trying to read, I have it on my computer. It looks like "Men with r and y joined together maybe, and then ies but it may be Menzies or Mensies. It was written in Scotland. cia, cristy

In a message dated 12/18/2005 5:02:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, VA-SOUTHSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Rev. W.A.R. Goodwin, published Historical Sketch of Bruton Church in 1903. Heritage Books reprinted it in 1998 and I have a copy. There are some tombstone inscriptions in it and it is indexed. I'll be glad to check the index for you, if you give me your ancestress's name. She first married a Maupin, then she married her 2nd husband .. His name was Thomas Creas .. I need to look up her new surname again to be sure of the spelling ... Ellie

In a message dated 12/18/2005 5:02:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, VA-SOUTHSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: ( I found no Swangers in the index if that was her surname). No that wasn't her name.. She first married a Maupin, then she remarried ... the 2nd husband was Thomas Creas .. I need to look up her new surname again to be sure of the spelling ... Ellie

Hi Paul, Marla, et al, I have an early example from Maryland of "son-in-law" being used for a step-child. In 1690, John Boreing of the Patapsco Neck in eastern Baltimore County died leaving a widow, Anne, and four minor children: a daughter and three sons. Shortly thereafter Anne married their neighbor, John Ferry. Captain Ferry died in 1698 and in his will he directed his friend Charles Merryman to oversee the upbringing of his "sons-in-law John, James, and Thomas Boreing." I found this item while working on an archaeological report I researched and wrote a decade ago but I recall it quite vividly since it was the first time I had ever run across the usage. It is found in Baltimore County, MD Will Book 1; I don't recall the page number, but I can probably track it down if anyone is desperate for the citation :-) Kathy

Thank you, Paul and Kathy! I appreciate your comments, and will look for the relationship in question in a broader sense, as you point out. Marla On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:16:32 -0500 "Westview" <westview@brookneal.net> wrote: > Hi Paul, Marla, et al, > > I have an early example from Maryland of "son-in-law" being used for a > step-child. In 1690, John Boreing of the Patapsco Neck in eastern Baltimore > County died leaving a widow, Anne, and four minor children: a daughter and > three sons. Shortly thereafter Anne married their neighbor, John Ferry. > Captain Ferry died in 1698 and in his will he directed his friend Charles > Merryman to oversee the upbringing of his "sons-in-law John, James, and > Thomas Boreing." > > I found this item while working on an archaeological report I researched and > wrote a decade ago but I recall it quite vividly since it was the first time > I had ever run across the usage. It is found in Baltimore County, MD Will > Book 1; I don't recall the page number, but I can probably track it down if > anyone is desperate for the citation :-) > > Kathy > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Digital Maps Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Hi, Marla. Probably more of an answer than you really want, nevertheless: It is said that those words had a broader meaning in Colonial times, though I have found almost NO examples beyond what we still say, of any such usage within the law reports. For sure, the words meant - as now - a man or woman married to a child of the subject person. Indeed, it is difficult to imagine any other common usage, since adoption was unknown until 1912, and I think that wards or apprentices were never so labeled. Still, generically one's "in-laws" were anyone related to the subject person through marriage or by through any action of law. Hence, it was also considered that, for example, the widow or widower of a child was yet an "in-law", though the legal relationship had been extinguished by the death of that child. Similarly, aunts, uncles and cousins of one's spouse were related through the law of marriage, hence likely - again, as now - those aunts-in-law, uncles-in-laws, etc., were now and then so called. Perhaps also children by a previous marriage of a person now married to a child of the subject might also be\have been branded as "in-laws". Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: m.moore1 To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Explanation Hi everyone, I'm looking for the meaning of the terms, son-in-law or daughter-in-law, in Virginia in the 1760's. Are the meanings the same as today? Thanks, Marla ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== The USGenWeb Project http://www.usgenweb.org Do Not Post Chain Letters, Virus Warnings, etc. to this list. This list is for Genealogy, History and Related Topics. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005

This is a multi-part MIME message --_===2048149====be-3.cluster1.bresnan.net===_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- the forwarded message follows --- --_===2048149====be-3.cluster1.bresnan.net===_ Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: "m.moore1 " <m.moore1@bresnan.net> Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Explanation To: "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.3.7 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:45:55 -0700 Message-ID: <web-2048134@be-3.cluster1.bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20051217190146.01cadf40@pop.mindspring.com> References: <web-5913690@be-2.cluster1.bresnan.net> <6.1.0.6.0.20051217190146.01cadf40@pop.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you. Yes, this makes sense, but I'm still trying to sort out a particular case, involving the surname HARRIS. Any Harris researchers out there? Marla On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:08:57 -0500 "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss@mindspring.com> wrote: > Marla, > > In my experience you have to think of the words literally. For example >(fictitious names).... Ann married Mr. Taylor and they had a son named >William Taylor. Mr. Taylor died and Ann then married Robert Wade. In legal >documents Robert Wade would refer to William Taylor as his son-in-law, >because my law (via marriage) he was the 'father' (today we'd say >step-father) of William Taylor. Does that make sense? Also, the word cousin >is used very loosely and can mean almost any relative. I hope that helps. > > I'm sure someone on the list will be able to give you a fuller explanation >than I just did. > > Joel > http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ > > At 06:45 PM 12/17/2005, you wrote: > >>Hi everyone, >>I'm looking for the meaning of the terms, son-in-law or daughter-in-law, in >>Virginia in the 1760's. Are the meanings the same as today? >> >>Thanks, >>Marla >> >> >> >> >> >>==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== >>The USGenWeb Project http://www.usgenweb.org >>Do Not Post Chain Letters, Virus Warnings, etc. to this list. >>This list is for Genealogy, History and Related Topics. >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > --_===2048149====be-3.cluster1.bresnan.net===_--

Hi everyone, I'm looking for the meaning of the terms, son-in-law or daughter-in-law, in Virginia in the 1760's. Are the meanings the same as today? Thanks, Marla

Rev. W.A.R. Goodwin, published Historical Sketch of Bruton Church in 1903. Heritage Books reprinted it in 1998 and I have a copy. There are some tombstone inscriptions in it and it is indexed. I'll be glad to check the index for you, if you give me your ancestress's name. Eve S. Gregory, Web Mistress Surry County, Virginia, Historical Society and Museums, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaschsm/ Surry County VaGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vasurry/ Sussex County VaGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vasussex/ >From: VA-SOUTHSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com >To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: VA-SOUTHSIDE-D Digest V05 #212 >Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 03:03:20 -0700 > >Content-Type: text/plain > >VA-SOUTHSIDE-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 212 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Bruton Parish Church [EllieSS@aol.com] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from VA-SOUTHSIDE-D, send a message to > VA-SOUTHSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com >that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:43:39 EST >From: EllieSS@aol.com >To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <1ee.48d134c5.30d43aab@aol.com> >Subject: Bruton Parish Church >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Does anyone know if the Bruton Paris Church has a list of those buried in >the cemetery? My immigrant grandmother is supposedly buried there but I >wasn't >able to find her grave when I visited there. > >Ellie Swanger

Ellie: "Bruton Parish Churchyard: A Guide with Map", 114 pages, 2nd printing, published by the church itself or; if you would prefer I can give you a look-up. ( I found no Swangers in the index if that was her surname). John M. Poythress

Does anyone know if the Bruton Paris Church has a list of those buried in the cemetery? My immigrant grandmother is supposedly buried there but I wasn't able to find her grave when I visited there. Ellie Swanger

Karen has asked what NC "Proclamation Money" was. Here is an example = a L5 note. The photo is from the collection of Tryon Palace Historic Sites & Gardens, New Bern, North Carolina; North Carolina Department of Cultural Resources, Division of Archive and History. http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/ProclamationMoney.jpg Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129

I have posted a 1861 map of partial Southside and partial NE NC; the scene is as it was at the beginning of the Civil War. The principal roads are most interesting, as are the names of the communities as those existed at that time. You can zoom in on it for better viewing. It is at http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/interest.jpg Paul

Thanks very much; that works, Wayne. I appreciate you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Dunn To: VA-ROOTS@LISTLVA.LIB.VA.US Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:36 PM Subject: Re: anyone? Paul, etc. Try the following link: (Sometimes VERY picky re upper/lower case characters (VA vs Va) http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/VAchurchesBarb.jpg Wayne

Trying again; seems not to work. Thanks **** Does anyone have the bottom portion of this map of VA churches, please? http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/VachurchesBarb.jpg Thanks much Paul Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.0/203 - Release Date: 12/15/2005

Does anyone have the bottom portion of this map of VA churches, please? http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/Va churchesBarb.jpg Thanks much Paul Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129

I again have been asked for my article or comments concerning genealogy and the copyright provisions in the U.S. Code known as "Fair Use" (of the words and works of others). That article was published by NGS, however older copies of the NGS Newsletter in which it appeared are not available on the internet. I have scanned that article, and it is on my web site at the URLs set out below. NOTE: the article was done by Mrs. Linn and me when the internet was very new. So, though what is "Fair Use" of the published words and works of others is very important to all genealogists and has not changed since this article, the law as it relates to the internet yet is evolving and is not clear in some applications. So, I defer to you who have knowledge concerning the recent effects/rulings of the "Fair Use" provisions as those apply to the internet. (Craig? Brent? Janet?) Further, though such affect what is "Fair Use" only indirectly, the periods of protection for copyrighted works have been to a measure extended, and unpublished works likely now may not be copied and published by other than the original author or his/her heirs or assigns no matter how long ago created. Still though, for our purposes as genealogy buffs, what will be viewed by courts as "Fair Use" remains quite as it has been for some years. The article is 5 pages in length and is in order by page at: http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/cr1.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/cr2.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/cr3.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/cr4.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/cr5.jpg Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129

From Patty, and for those thousands of us researchers whose ancestors traveled and migrated west by rail in a much earlier day. This subject brings to mind the old "Harvey Houses", established by Fred Harvey in the late 1800's. They were usually located in fine buildings, sometimes within the depots. Excellent meals, well priced were served on starched white table cloths by pretty young uniformed ladies who underwent special training for their jobs. Sleeping accommodations were often on the upper floors. The Harvey Houses were located as far East as Kansas and Arkansas and West to California. Many survive today as museums, or have been "saved" by the corporate world and ed as and there are ten or so web sites. Patty Very interesting, Patty. :-) I well remember those services being advertised, though there were none as far east as the photo I posted, as you know. The trips were shorter and the distance between larger cities was much less east of the Mississippi, thus the result of which you speak. Thanks. Paul :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 12/2/2005

Looking for information on Arthur Sutton, an Afro-American. Arthur m. Laura Henry Chandler in New York in 1941. Laura was b. jan 21, in Halifax County VA. thanks in advance. Larry ==================================== In HALIFAX COUNTY, Va. seeking Afro-American Brown Byrd Chandler Chappell Lacy Younger.

Can someone tell me the "correct" definition of a "quit rent" and "quit rents list"? Like Forrest Gump, I am not a smart man. What I've been told many moons ago doesn't appear to be correct. Thanks!!! Paul M. **** An ancient term, the quit-rent simply was a tax on land. Those taxes were so called because for a thousand years plus, in England and in some colonies here, one paid a rent to the owner - "landlord" - on the land that one farmed or occupied from that landowner - sometimes, indeed, a "lord" - and only the privileged few owned any land atall. The term "quit" meant that after the payment of that rent, the tenant was quit - "free" - of any other rent for that year or term as the case might be. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129 ----- Original Message ----- From: P. Moring To: VA-ROOTS@LISTLVA.LIB.VA.US Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:03 PM Subject: Quit rents.... Can someone tell me the "correct" definition of a "quit rent" and "quit rents list"? Like Forrest Gump, I am not a smart man. What I've been told many moons ago doesn't appear to be correct. Tahnks!!! Paul M. To subscribe, change options, or unsubscribe please see the instructions at http://listlva.lib.va.us/archives/va-roots.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: 12/1/2005