I agree. Although not real active as of late, I suggest that the Franklin Co., VA list is very accommodating to its members, and has some very knowledgeable members as well. Regrets. 500 minus 2... On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:30:20 -0500 "Steve and Bunny" <ysbinns@peoplepc.com> wrote: > Too bad the Holiday season of giving and forgiving cannot be extended to >this list. Unfotunate. 500 minus 1... > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "G. Lee Hearl" <glh@naxs.com> > To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Keeping You Informed: > > >> For Your Information: >> We now have over 500 members subscribed to the Va-Southside list in list >> and digest format. >> List Adm, >> G. Lee Hearl >> Authentic Appalachian Storyteller >> Abingdon, Va. >> >> >> ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== >> USGenWeb Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb >> Do Not Flame other Members on List. >> If you have problems or concerns with list posts, contact the List >> Administrator. glh@naxs.com >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Census Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

For Your Information: We now have over 500 members subscribed to the Va-Southside list in list and digest format. List Adm, G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

You didn't ask for opinions, but I can't resist. I think Craig's post is a good exercise in looking carefully at any document and finding all the clues without reading anything into the document that is not there. Regardless of when the document was produced, the exercise works the same. I wouldn't enjoy post after post of this type of thing going on for week upon week, but once in a while (and especially when most if us have been "off" our genealogy quests for several weeks and our brains need to get back in gear), it's a good challenge. Thanks to all who make this group enjoyable. Hope you all had/are having a GREAT holiday season! Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "G. Lee Hearl" <glh@naxs.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 4:14 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Responses and Answers to the Quiz > To Craig & Others involved in this discussion: > I see no reason to discuss a will for a person who died in 1998, therefore, > persons who persist in posts on this particular subject will be placed on > Reject until further notice. > List Administrator, > VA-Southside List > G. Lee Hearl > Authentic Appalachian Storyteller > Abingdon, Va. > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > Do not post Advertisements, Chain Letters, Virus Warnings etc. to this list. If in doubt, Contact: G. Lee Hearl, Adm. at: glh@naxs.com > Hosted by Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

To All: Craig Kilby has been placed on the Reject list and will no longer be allowed to post to the Va-Southside List. Thank You, List Administrator, G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

I should have included the following for Mr. Heinegg references. Send questions and comments to pheinegg@comcast.net ********** Virginia, North Carolina and South Carolina Foreword by historian Ira Berlin Recent updates: November 2005: December 2005: Maryland and Delaware Illinois Free and American, A study of Eleven Illinois Families of Colour, by Darrel Dexter (Updated November 2004) Colonial Tax Lists, Census, and Court Records for Delaware, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia List of Indian Slaves, Free Indians, and Free African Americans identified in Colonial Records Without Last Names Service in the Revolutionary War Hard copies of Free African Americans of Maryland and Delaware and Free African Americans of North Carolina, Virginia and South Carolina can be purchased from the publisher: link to order book on North Carolina and Virginia from Genealogical Publishing book on Maryland and Delaware or call 1-800-296-6687 Genealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com>

Several questions have come to me recently involving Free Black and Slavery issues. There are so many misconceptions floating about that I think the following well-written article should be read by all serious researchers. Here is that article: http://webpages.charter.net/pdd50/Heineggarticle.doc Thanks VERY much to Paul Heinegg for such good work. His website is www.freeafricanamericans.com/ Unless you have interest in those lines, you may want to cease the read when you reach the Howell genealogy portion. Genealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com>

OK everyone, I PROMISE I am about to write the answer to the "quiz", despite all the flames, which will not deter me. The biggest shock of all was a very NICE letter from the Culpeper list administrator saying how she loved this, and another one from the turd who runs the Southside Virginia list threatening anyone who dared to respond to my quiz with eviction from "his' list. (Uh, wonder how the people at Rootsweb would take that?). Well, as we have seen, just goes to prove there are nice people and nasty people out there. Odd, isn't it? The ones who want to impose all the "rules" that you don't know about are the very ones who don't apply them to themselves. Man, I never thought I'd say this, but it's enough to make me vote Democrat! Now here is my last message before the answer, which will not have any editorials (and yes, I think you many last-minute answerers...you have given some good insights but I think they are MOSTLY well covered in the original nine)....may all of you have a great new year and learn to love one another, and treat each other with respect and love. Best as always, Craig Craig Kilby persisto@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.

Please think about others. Your SS list is the only one that has had such a very negative reply from, of all people, the list manager. Craig Kilby persisto@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rush To: Craig Kilby Sent: 12/26/2005 4:28:50 PM Subject: Quiz Although I haven't participate in your "quiz", I have followed the thread, enjoyed it, learned a lot already, and look forward to your own analysis. Don't mind the detractors. There are people who where born to be nothing but critics. Thanks for the interesting and novel idea. Regards, John

Dear SS Listers: What a difference in attitudes we have from other List Managers. Here is one from the manager of the Culpeper, VA rootsweb list. Oppose this to theSS list, which produced no results to the original query. Craig Kilby persisto@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. > [Original Message] > From: <Cpzb4@aol.com> > To: <VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 12/26/2005 4:15:01 PM > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] From List Mom > > Amen!! Let's not end the year or start the new year making ugly remarks. I > am enjoying the Quiz. I love seeing all the great ideas on how to solve or > look at the puzzling pieces. > > June > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to VACULPEP-L-request@rootsweb.comor if you are on the Digest list to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

To Craig & Others involved in this discussion: I see no reason to discuss a will for a person who died in 1998, therefore, persons who persist in posts on this particular subject will be placed on Reject until further notice. List Administrator, VA-Southside List G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

No report would be complete without the always the Bitchy Bob and Nagging Nanny. File such responses for future reference, because no matter what you do or how you do it, somebody is not going to like it, and slam you after all is said and done. Just ain't no accountin' for some people. Craig Kilby persisto@earthlink.net> [Original Message] > From: Bob Juch <bob@juch.org> > To: <VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 12/26/2005 2:02:13 PM > Subject: RE: [VACULPEP] Responses and Answers to the Quiz > > Craig, > > Quiz? What quiz? All you asked was, "IF YOU WERE PRESENTED WITH THE > FOLLOWING WILL, AND KNEW NOTHING ELSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAN WHAT THE > WILL TOLD YOU, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR CONCLUSIONS?" > > I don't call that a quiz. All the will tells me about relationships is that > the four sons inherited from their father. > > Why did you include an abstract from the obituary if you wanted us to > consider only the will? > > Bob Juch > http://www.Juch.org > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to VACULPEP-L-request@rootsweb.comor if you are on the Digest list to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

To anyone out there paying attention. I heartily congratulate the people who responded to the purposfully amibiguous quiz I sent out, regarding the will and estate of "Thomas Smith." It was sent to the following lists: 1. Germanna: FIVE Responses from (1) Cary Anderson (2) someone named cookerlp@aol.com, (3) Frances as kiwiskeeper@aol.com, who says she did not respond to the quiz, (4) Fran Russell and (5) Mary Ellis 2. Virginia "General" list,. No repsonses. 3. Southside Virginia List. No responses 4. Culpeper County List. No responses, but some personal correspondance came back. 5. St. Louis Metro List. Six responses. The first only said he'd have all four arrested for murder, which prompted a flame war with the 2nd response, and it went on from there. Discounting those two and all the subsequent flames, there were four real responses to the actual query. Total responses to five lists: 9 Now, let's review the actual query and quiz question, look at the responses, and then I will give the real story. To begin, everyone had a very good take on one or more aspects of the question, and given the vague nature of how I put it, this was impressive. OK. The original question was this: IF YOU WERE PRESENTED WITH THE FOLLOWING WILL, AND KNEW NOTHING ELSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAN WHAT THE WILL TOLD YOU, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR CONCLUSIONS? WILL OF "THOMAS SMITH" SIGNED 28 AUG 1987, PROVED SOMETIME IN 1996 THE WILL NAMES NO WIFE AND NO GRANDCHILDREN, BUT ONLY NAMES FOUR SONS, ALL TO SHARE EQUALLY. 1. KEVIN SMITH 2. CARY SMITH 3. TOMMY SMITH 4. MONTY SMITH ALL FOUR TO SERVE AS EXECUTORS IN THAT ORDER. THE OBITUARY SAYS THAT THOMAS SMITH DIED 24 JULY 1996, THAT HE WAS INTERRED IN MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY WITH NO SERVICES, AND WAS SURVIVED BY FOUR SONS AND FIVE GRANDCHILDREN. THE FIVE GRANDCHILDREN ARE NOT NAMED, BUT THE FOUR SONS ARE NAMED IN THIS ORDER: 1. KEVIN SMITH OF VIRGINIA BEACH, VA 2. MONTY SMITH OF HEIDLEBERG, GERMANY 3. CARY SMITH OF ST. LOUIS, MO 4. TOMMY SMITH OF DEFIANCE, MO ______________________________________ While this is deliberately vague, the respondents all picked up on different clues to help solve the riddle. Some just wrote to express interest in the responses. For those actually took up the gauntle, I sghall let them all speak for themselves (no names given as to who said what). Response #1: "I don't keep a data base so I would imput nothing. I would type the will exactly as I found [it] and save in Word as well as a printed copy for the file cabinet--the old fashioned four drawer, metal thing. I would also type the obituary as found and do the same." Response #2: "Notes: Will of Thomas Smith Signed 28 AUG 1987 Proved sometime in 1996 Mentions only son's [sic] Kevin, Monte [sic] Cary and Tommy. All four to serve as executors and to share in the estate equally. All information comes from Mr. Craig Kilby of Virginia (my email address included in the citation). This respondent is the only one who cited her references and what she was addressing. This is pretty good except for mispelling of the possessive "son's" instead of the plursal "sons", and misreading of Monte with an "e" when I wrote Monty with a "y". See how easy it is for tiny mistakes to creep in? Response #3. Original email quoted in advance, with the note "I think this covers all the information known at this time of this Thomas Smith. I would probably add the birth dates of the sex of children as male and birth dates prior to 8/8/87, since they were mentioned when the will was made." What this letter seems to want to suggest is that further research would be necessary before making any firm conclusions, but does make the good point of at least entering the sex of the four children, as all are called "sons" in both the will and obituary." Response #4 "In my files, wife would be listed as 'unknown???' I would list Kevin as the oldest, since he appears in both lists first. His 'born' would be 'ABT YYYY'. The other three, I would list them as born 'ABT YYY'. I would make a note in my file that no birth order was established in documentation that I had, and make a note to research it when I get to be old and grey, when that census comes out!" This writer is correct in determining that Kevin is the eldest for the reason he gave, though information we have does not explicityly tell us that. Kudo's for jumping out on a limb and running with a Hypothesis--which we must all do--and good cover with the notation that further research that is needed to prove the theory. Response #5 This one is one of my favorites. This person picked up on two key facts that any of us could have easily overlooked, but also made an erroneous assumption about possibly other children. (There could have been other children, but to leave them out of a will would have invited court challenges). "Based on all material available to date - we've been busy with church services. (1) Thomas Smith the elder was probably married at least once. (2) Thomas Smith the elder was survived by four sons; there may have been more children who either pre-deceased him or were disinherited by the will. (2) Kevin Smith may be the oldest son (4) Monty Smith is probably a distinquished member of his country's miltary. (5) Which leads me to wonder - is there a Navy base in Virginia Beach? (6) Adding information about five nameless grandchildren makes me wonder about the possibility of a now-deceased former Miss Smith. (7) What else is in that obituary? This one does raise some thoughts. The writer infers that since Monty Smith is living in Heidleberg, Germany (according to the obituatary) he is probably a distinguised member of the military. Not the case. HOWEVER, son Kevin in Virginia Beach was a distinguished member of the US Navy Airforce. Though not connecting the right dots, this writer is certainly headed in the right direction and picking up on small clues. This writer also raises questions about the mother of the children, and the possibility that a former spouse (or spouses) may be dead. Read on. Response #6. "Thomas Smith signed Will August 28, 1987; died July 24, 1996. No wife named in will: assume divorced otherwise a deceased wife would have been so identified when the Will was drawn up. Will names four sons to be Executor in order named. An executor distributes the estate. "Proving" the will means the Will has been filed of record in the Probate Court. One one person is an Executor; the eldest living son. If decedent had an attorney handling his affairs, the attorney would file the Will of record in Probate, then proceed to locate the eldest living son who will become Executor. The attorney is an administrator, not the Executor unless the eldest living son is an attorney. The son's [plural] residence[s] at the time the Will is drawn up is stated to assist to locate the eldest living son at Testator's death. "A will always [CMK: "ALWAYS" IS ALWAYS A WRONG ANSWER ON A TEST] names children in birth order. Newspaper death notice names children in birth order. [CMK: will does not name children in birth order, but there is a reason for this. The obituary does name them in birth order. The writer here needs to decide which is ALWAYS right]. The fact that grandchildren are mentioned in the newspaper death notice is only relevent to distribution of the estate if one or more of the four sons are deceased and sired children. Then, one or more children of a deceased son would inherit his share of the estate, share and share alike, which the Will would state. "Birth order of sons: Kevin, Monty, [C]Gary, Tommy. Decedent was the natural or adoptive father of the four sons; otherwise one or more would have been identified as stepsons." Now this one really covers a lot of ground and a lot of possibilities. The only flaw is that the reasoning--while correct--is based on twowrong assumptions. An obituary naming "unnamed grandchildren" would not be a legal cause to establish heredity, let alone a share in the estate. Only the will can establish that. Second, a will names an exectutor, this is true, but it does not have to be the oldest child. The reason for giving places of residence is to put on record the last known place where an heir had lived, but not simply to find them to be an executor. Last, an attorney does not have to handle an estate, though this is often the case. An attorney is never the executor unless expressly named so in the will. This letter is taking up too much cyber space, so the "real" answer will be another post. BTW....nobody caught the part about where he was buried with no services. That will be in the answer of next post. Craig Kilby persisto@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.

If you were presented with the following will, and knew nothing else of the circumstances than what the will told you, what would be your conclusions?: Will of "Thomas Smith" Signed 28 AUG 1987, proved sometime in 1996. The will names no wife and no grandchildren, but only names four sons, all to share equally: 1. Kevin Smith 2. Cary Smith 3. Tommy Smith 4. Monty Smith All four to serve as executors in the order given above. The obituary says that Thomas Smith died 24 July 1996, that he was interred in Memorial Park Cemetery with no services, and was survived by four sons: 1. Kevin Smith of Virginia Beach, VA 2. Monty Smith of Heidleberg, Germany 3. Cary Smith of St. Louis, MO 4. Tommy Smith of Defiance, MO Given this information, how would you input this family into your data base, and on what conclusions. (Answer to this quiz will follow, but this is just for fun to see how we all analyze the data we have at hand). Craig Kilby persisto@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.

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Was Mary Elizabeth Hatchell Reese (1828-1889), widow of Joseph A. Reese (1798-1870), related to B.W. and C.W. Ogburn, whose land adjoined hers in the Buckhorn District of Mecklenburg Co., Va. ? When the property (65a m/l) was sold at auction in Union Level in 1895, it was purchased by Mary O. Bugg. Was she an Ogburn? Doris

Greetings, Sue Stovall / Younger who was black, married October 2, 1969 in Halifax County Va. to Daniel Younger. Daniel by the 1880 census was calling himself Daniel Chappell (his parents surname) instead of Younger. The marriage took place at the home of a white J.B (Jonathan Brekenridge) Stovall. The parents of Sue were Primus and Maria Younger, who had apparently been slaves of Joel Younger (Joel held abt 35 slaves in 1860). Because Sue married using the surname Stovall, at the home of J.B. Stovall, while her parents were calling themselves Younger, I am guessing that somehow before she married, Sue had become a slave to J.B. Stovall. In the 1860 Census Slave Schedules, J.B. Stovall was listed as holding about 63 slaves. Anybody out there with info on J.B Stovall or his slaves? Thanks in advance, Larry .

----- Original Message ----- From: qvarizona To: Paul Drake Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: Re: "Gentlemen" Paul. When did this practice fade away and the term "gentleman" begin to mean only a polite man of good manners? Joanne ***** An answer to that specific and often asked question is, in the late 19th and early 20th Century as Victorian manners of speaking gradually faded away. Your ancestors would gag to hear the TV news folks call low-life criminals "that gentleman" or "Mr.". Your use of the word "noble" in conjunction with gentleman is noteworthy, since those words usually had very different meanings. The former were born to nobility, and it could be gained no other way. That said, the records/writings of the 17th and early 18th Century reveal that those who had been knighted were SOMETIMES viewed as nobility, but surely not always. As an example, occasionally, Sir Francis Drake (a commoner knighted by Elizabeth I) was referred to as a nobleman, but not consistently. One could become a gentleman or gentlelady by achieving affluence or standing in the community, however they could not thereby become "noble". Similarly, members of the nobility might be called gentlemen (or gentlewomen), however those of nobility would be expected to have viewed being so addressed as beneath their station, and such usage would not have been appreciated. Finally, the term "Mr." was an indication of a person of the highest standing, and just below the nobility. The term was almost NEVER applied to other than men of very high position. The VA Burgesses usually were addressed as "Mister", however when they were no longer in office, they quite usually were not any longer so labeled. The term "Mrs." likewise revealed a lady of VERY high standing, however it was exceedingly rare for a lady to be a "Mrs." unless her husband had earned the title of "Mr.". In that regard, it is interesting that in the Surry Tithables lists for a couple years in the 1670s Judith (Burton?) Hunt Parker was listed as "Mrs. Parker", yet her husband, sometimes "Dr.", usually pewterer Richard Parker was not referred to as "Mr.". Why, I have not been able to learn. For your interest, Philip Bruce has a most interesting discussion of the these matters of titles in his "Economic History of VA in the 17th Century" Genealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com>

Good example, Kathy. Thanks. As mentioned, though rare in the law reports, in wills and other materials there were a number of situations in which, now and then, labels of sons-in-law, daughters-in-law, etc. were used where the relationship was by law or affinity, and not by consanguinity. Genealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> 931-484-9129 ----- Original Message ----- From: EllieSS@aol.com To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: VA-SOUTHSIDE-D Digest V05 #213 In a message dated 12/18/2005 5:02:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, VA-SOUTHSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: -Message: #6 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:16:32 -0500 From: "Westview" <westview@brookneal.net> To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <00cf01c60379$10c35240$f7a2fe41@computer> Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Explanation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, Marla, et al, I have an early example from Maryland of "son-in-law" being used for a step-child. In 1690, John Boreing of the Patapsco Neck in eastern Baltimore County died leaving a widow, Anne, and four minor children: a daughter and three sons. Shortly thereafter Anne married their neighbor, John Ferry. Captain Ferry died in 1698 and in his will he directed his friend Charles Merryman to oversee the upbringing of his "sons-in-law John, James, and Thomas Boreing." I found this item while working on an archaeological report I researched and wrote a decade ago but I recall it quite vividly since it was the first time I had ever run across the usage. It is found in Baltimore County, MD Will Book 1; I don't recall the page number, but I can probably track it down if anyone is desperate for the citation :-) Kathy My husband descends from a Violet Boring (sp varies) who m. John Swanger, b. ca. 1781. Violet's family line lived in Maryland before going to NC.. Do you have more information on the Borings? Thanks, Ellie Swanger ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== Rootsweb Acceptable Use Policy forbids posting copyrighted material which you do not own to Rootsweb Lists. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005

In a message dated 12/18/2005 5:02:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, VA-SOUTHSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: -Message: #6 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:16:32 -0500 From: "Westview" <westview@brookneal.net> To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <00cf01c60379$10c35240$f7a2fe41@computer> Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Explanation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, Marla, et al, I have an early example from Maryland of "son-in-law" being used for a step-child. In 1690, John Boreing of the Patapsco Neck in eastern Baltimore County died leaving a widow, Anne, and four minor children: a daughter and three sons. Shortly thereafter Anne married their neighbor, John Ferry. Captain Ferry died in 1698 and in his will he directed his friend Charles Merryman to oversee the upbringing of his "sons-in-law John, James, and Thomas Boreing." I found this item while working on an archaeological report I researched and wrote a decade ago but I recall it quite vividly since it was the first time I had ever run across the usage. It is found in Baltimore County, MD Will Book 1; I don't recall the page number, but I can probably track it down if anyone is desperate for the citation :-) Kathy My husband descends from a Violet Boring (sp varies) who m. John Swanger, b. ca. 1781. Violet's family line lived in Maryland before going to NC.. Do you have more information on the Borings? Thanks, Ellie Swanger

If you need a look-up I have the Bruton Parish Churchyard and Church: A Guide to the Tombstones, Monuments, and Tablets , pub. by the church. It has the tombstone inscriptions, etc. Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: <EllieSS@aol.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: Bruton Parish Church > Does anyone know if the Bruton Paris Church has a list of those buried in > the cemetery? My immigrant grandmother is supposedly buried there but I > wasn't > able to find her grave when I visited there. > > Ellie Swanger >