Harold has pointed out that the word I interpreted as "Billiards" was, instead, "stillyards" - steelyards, weight scales- the peas being the weights. Thanks to him for the correction. You might also notice that immediately below that entry there appears a "dark lanthorn" - a lantern with a closeable door - and just below that is listed a "jack and that with silver". A jack was a small pocket flask for brandy or other intoxicants, the one listed chased with silver, doubtless as decoration. Genealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com>

Because of her wealth and most interesting assets, I have posted the previously unpublished (except in my book) intestate appraisement/inventory of Judith (Burton?) Hunt Parker (c1630-1679), the original being in the VA Library. Judith married first William Hunt (1625/30-1668), by whom she had William Hunt, Jr., Mary, and perhaps Judith (Jr.) and others. In late 1668-early 1669 she married Richard Parker (c1630-1677), scofflaw, sometimes pewterer/brazier and sometimes physician, by whom she, at once, had Richard Parker, Jr. Judith died a wealthy widow in the summer of 1679. With arrows, I have noted the raw pewter left over from Richard's calling, a "pile of books", a "recorder, 2 flutes and a hautbois" (oboe), and also an entry for "billiards and pea", the presence of those instruments and the billiard game being most remarkable at that early date. The inventory is worth reading by any student of Southside, Surry, Sussex, and Charles City counties. It may be found at my website below; scroll down to and click on "Document of the Month", and "zoom in". Genealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com>

I incorrectly indicated that the images for 1880 census were free on Ancestry.com. I now find that the index only is free. Sorry for the incorrect information. Donna OSCI NN, VA http://www.picturetrail.com/donnapultz

If you are near one of the regional national records facilities they will have microfilmed copies of all available censuses. The Dallas Public Library also has them. Also, check with your local library to see if they will do an inter-library loan with FHS. Gene Ann VA-SOUTHSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ______________________________Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:17:04 -0800 (PST) From: Sallie Hurt <etccrafts@yahoo.com> To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: 1880 census lookup help Does anyone know where I can view the actual images of the 1880 census taken in Virginia, Henrico County, Richmond city? Thanks for any suggestions that someone might have! I belong to Heritage Quest, but the 1880 census is not online. Family Search, LDS site, doesn't have the actual images, and, lastly, I am angry with Ancestry.com and have refused to renew there. Thanks again, Sallie Hurt

Ancestry.com has the 1880 Census on it and it is free. Donna OSCI NN, VA http://www.picturetrail.com/donnapultz

Actually the 1880 census images are on Heritage Quest--it is just not indexed! Go to FamilySearch and locate the exact area (usually county and township) and the page number. Then go to HeritageQuest and at the top of the page click on "browse" instead of "search". Then fill in the year, state, county, and location in the boxes. You may have to scroll through a few pages of images, but you should be able to find them. Heritage Quest has all the census images, but not all the indexes. Judy Purcell Cedar Hill, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sallie Hurt" <etccrafts@yahoo.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: 1880 census lookup help > Does anyone know where I can view the actual images of the > 1880 census taken in > Virginia, Henrico County, Richmond city? > > Thanks for any suggestions that someone might have! I > belong to Heritage > Quest, but the 1880 census is not online. Family Search, > LDS site, doesn't > have the actual images, and, lastly, I am angry with > Ancestry.com and have > refused to renew there. > > Thanks again, > Sallie Hurt >

Does anyone know where I can view the actual images of the 1880 census taken in Virginia, Henrico County, Richmond city? Thanks for any suggestions that someone might have! I belong to Heritage Quest, but the 1880 census is not online. Family Search, LDS site, doesn't have the actual images, and, lastly, I am angry with Ancestry.com and have refused to renew there. Thanks again, Sallie Hurt

You are absolutely correct, Roland. Let me add that your words that you are seeking censues, "...as well as anything else that I can find" is SO important. Most researchers do not really know what else there is at the places - the courthouses, local archives, churches, schools - where their ancestors lived. Without knowing what records have survived there, research simply can not be complete. Let me illustrate: You VA researchers who are reading this, do you know what parishes covered the places where each of your ancestors lived? If you do know that, do you know and have you examined the parish registers and vestry minutes that yet remain for those parishes? If not, you have MUCH work to do before you conclude that the answers are not there. Genealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Hall Cc: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com .... Subject: Genealogy without documentation is nothing. ...that is all I have been doing for three years. I am trying to get every census during a persons life as well as anything else that I can find.... Roland

Paul, that is all I have been doing for three years. I am trying to get every census during a persons life as well as anything else that I can find. I have found that documenting helps me find children that I did not know existed. Also sometimes with four ages between four census' helps get an average of their birth date. People back then could gain or loose four or five years in a ten year cycle. So the more documentation you have the more accurate your data is. Roland Hall Paul Drake wrote: >There can be no direct answers to your question, Susan. Why? Because you >probably can not know the extent of the research done that resulted in the >list, nor can you measure the experience of those who supposedly did such >searching. > >Most dead ends result from mediocre, poor or no research atall. One thing >for sure; you MUST search every record remaining that is to be found at the >"wheres" of those men. > >Genealogy without documentation is nothing. > Paul Drake JD > Genealogist & Author > <www.DrakesBooks.com> > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Susan >To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:47 PM >Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Christopher Branch family > > >A serious question to the group - and hopefully not one that is >controversial. > >My lineage is from >1. Christopher Branch = Mary Addy (Jamestowne line) (Henrico Co.) >2. Thomas Branch = Elizabeth ___________(Gouch?) (Henrico Co.) >3. James Branch = Mary ________ (Henrico/Chesterfield Co.) >4. John Branch = Susannah __________(Chesterfield/Lunenburg/Bedford Cos.) >5. Sarah Branch = Edmund Goode (Bedford Co, VA) > >The question to the group: In the most recent version of "Adventurers >of Purse and Person, Virginia, 1607-1624/5", 4th Edition, my line is >listed as above. > >What is the chance that I will ever find out the surnames of the wives? >The research in this book provides no additional clues to their families. > >I am a skilled researcher, but am concerned with spending endless hours >chasing those who will not be found. > >Thank you for your insight. > >Susan > > > > > >==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb Archives Census Project >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

A serious question to the group - and hopefully not one that is controversial. My lineage is from 1. Christopher Branch = Mary Addy (Jamestowne line) (Henrico Co.) 2. Thomas Branch = Elizabeth ___________(Gouch?) (Henrico Co.) 3. James Branch = Mary ________ (Henrico/Chesterfield Co.) 4. John Branch = Susannah __________(Chesterfield/Lunenburg/Bedford Cos.) 5. Sarah Branch = Edmund Goode (Bedford Co, VA) The question to the group: In the most recent version of "Adventurers of Purse and Person, Virginia, 1607-1624/5", 4th Edition, my line is listed as above. What is the chance that I will ever find out the surnames of the wives? The research in this book provides no additional clues to their families. I am a skilled researcher, but am concerned with spending endless hours chasing those who will not be found. Thank you for your insight. Susan

Exactly what area does this list cover? Bill in Richmond

Hi, Tree Mom. It would seem that you are one of the few who has done what MUST be done by everyone who feels a dead end has been reached. The ever-present problem is that most folks who say, "Oh, I have searched just everywhere!" have by no means done so. Genealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com>

There can be no direct answers to your question, Susan. Why? Because you probably can not know the extent of the research done that resulted in the list, nor can you measure the experience of those who supposedly did such searching. Most dead ends result from mediocre, poor or no research atall. One thing for sure; you MUST search every record remaining that is to be found at the "wheres" of those men. Genealogy without documentation is nothing. Paul Drake JD Genealogist & Author <www.DrakesBooks.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Christopher Branch family A serious question to the group - and hopefully not one that is controversial. My lineage is from 1. Christopher Branch = Mary Addy (Jamestowne line) (Henrico Co.) 2. Thomas Branch = Elizabeth ___________(Gouch?) (Henrico Co.) 3. James Branch = Mary ________ (Henrico/Chesterfield Co.) 4. John Branch = Susannah __________(Chesterfield/Lunenburg/Bedford Cos.) 5. Sarah Branch = Edmund Goode (Bedford Co, VA) The question to the group: In the most recent version of "Adventurers of Purse and Person, Virginia, 1607-1624/5", 4th Edition, my line is listed as above. What is the chance that I will ever find out the surnames of the wives? The research in this book provides no additional clues to their families. I am a skilled researcher, but am concerned with spending endless hours chasing those who will not be found. Thank you for your insight. Susan ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== USGenWeb Archives Census Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 12/27/2005

and will certainly remain with the list and only hope everyone could be as excited about genealogy rather than infantile quizzes and comments. jct

If I've sent you e-mails since Mid-Nov - at this point they're gone, so pls resend. [probably Lunenburg look ups] Nancy Wilson

To All: At this time, we have 575 members subscribed to this list. Carry on with your genealogical and historical work. Thanks for making this one of the best lists on Rootsweb! List Administrator, G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

Maske that 500 minus 6 Carol Digby -------Original Message------- From: Charlotte Geier Date: 12/27/05 11:51:43 To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Steve and Bunny Binns When people of genealogical research renown and patience as Steve and Bunny Binns leave a list, you can believe that something is wrong with the list. Make me number 500 minus 5 in unsubscribing from this list. Genealogy research has no place for such narrow-mindedness. Charlotte Clarke Geier ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== The USGenWeb Project http://www.usgenweb.org Do Not Post Chain Letters, Virus Warnings, etc. to this list. This list is for Genealogy, History and Related Topics. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005

When people of genealogical research renown and patience as Steve and Bunny Binns leave a list, you can believe that something is wrong with the list. Make me number 500 minus 5 in unsubscribing from this list. Genealogy research has no place for such narrow-mindedness. Charlotte Clarke Geier

Make that 500 minus 3. In a message dated 12/26/2005 6:23:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, m.moore1@bresnan.net writes: I agree. Although not real active as of late, I suggest that the Franklin Co., VA list is very accommodating to its members, and has some very knowledgeable members as well. Regrets. 500 minus 2... On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:30:20 -0500 "Steve and Bunny" <ysbinns@peoplepc.com> wrote: > Too bad the Holiday season of giving and forgiving cannot be extended to >this list. Unfotunate. 500 minus 1... >

Too bad the Holiday season of giving and forgiving cannot be extended to this list. Unfotunate. 500 minus 1... ----- Original Message ----- From: "G. Lee Hearl" <glh@naxs.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Keeping You Informed: > For Your Information: > We now have over 500 members subscribed to the Va-Southside list in list > and digest format. > List Adm, > G. Lee Hearl > Authentic Appalachian Storyteller > Abingdon, Va. > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb > Do Not Flame other Members on List. > If you have problems or concerns with list posts, contact the List > Administrator. glh@naxs.com > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >