My dad owned an abstract and title company, where he put me to work for many of my young years.... I think in this case TR stands for "trustee" especially if it's by the person's name. It could also stand for "tract", but probably not in this case. Brownie

Forgot to say; the "TR" may mean "to record" IF - IF - it was not written at the same time as the deed, that meaning that the register/clerk/recorder was confirming that the sale had been indexed. If written at the same time as the deed, why not scan it and let us know what it looks like. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara Showers" <cara@dcdesign.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 12:23 AM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] "TR" on land deeds | I've posted this same question on another list I belong to - twice - and | have not gotten response one from either of my inquiries. So I thought I'd | try this VERY knowledgable board. You guys always amaze me with the stuff | you know. | | I'm doing land deed research right now in Kanawha Co., WV. On several of the | land deeds, beside the person's name who's buying the land, it will have | "TR" or "by TR". Can anyone tell me what this stands for and what it means? | | Thanks guys, | -- | Cara Showers | Anchorage, Alaska | cara@dcdesign.com | | | | ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== | The USGenWeb Project http://www.usgenweb.org | | | ============================== | Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: | Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. | http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com |

Ms. Cara; is the "TR" superimposed - written later than the words of the deed, as though by a clerk or recorder? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara Showers" <cara@dcdesign.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 12:23 AM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] "TR" on land deeds | I've posted this same question on another list I belong to - twice - and | have not gotten response one from either of my inquiries. So I thought I'd | try this VERY knowledgable board. You guys always amaze me with the stuff | you know. | | I'm doing land deed research right now in Kanawha Co., WV. On several of the | land deeds, beside the person's name who's buying the land, it will have | "TR" or "by TR". Can anyone tell me what this stands for and what it means? | | Thanks guys, | -- | Cara Showers | Anchorage, Alaska | cara@dcdesign.com | | | | ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== | The USGenWeb Project http://www.usgenweb.org | | | ============================== | Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: | Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. | http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com |

I've posted this same question on another list I belong to - twice - and have not gotten response one from either of my inquiries. So I thought I'd try this VERY knowledgable board. You guys always amaze me with the stuff you know. I'm doing land deed research right now in Kanawha Co., WV. On several of the land deeds, beside the person's name who's buying the land, it will have "TR" or "by TR". Can anyone tell me what this stands for and what it means? Thanks guys, -- Cara Showers Anchorage, Alaska cara@dcdesign.com

Pocket and other small and portable scales were very common in early times, usually weighing objects or products from 2 lbs. up to 6 or 8 lbs, depending upon the length of the beam. Such were particularly useful by travelling merchants - peddlars and other retailers who sold such as chemicals, herbs, seasonings, teas, buttons, coffee, inks, small quantities of yarn, dyes, etc., etc. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Williams" <DianainDallas@prodigy.net> To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:10 AM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] pocket stalliard | I have a pocket stalliard. I had no idea what it's name was. It is easy | to tell it's use from looking but I wondered why it was so small. Now I | wonder what it's time period might be? Do you know Paul? | It does seem reasonable to think the other item is also a pocket tool and | not luxurious fabric. | | Diana | | | | ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== | VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb | | | ============================== | Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp |

Hi all I suggest that all who may be interested in early VA county, and city, records visit the following web site of the Library of Virginia: http://www.lva.lib.va.us/collect/localrecs/locrecs-listing.htm Bill in TX

The City of suffolk merged with Nansemond County in the late 1980s or early 1990s to become the City of Suffolk. Check first with Suffolk to find out where the Nansemond county records are housed. There are no longer any counties in the Tidewater (now known as Hampton Roads) area of Virginia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brownie MacKie" <BMacKie1@compuserve.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 11 April 2001 05:15 Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] FW: [THOMAS] William H. Thomas > Here's what I have on Nansamond: Nansamond County was organized in 1637 > under name of "Upper Norfolk" and changed to Nansamond in 1642. The > Nansamond records were totally destroyed. > > Norfolk was New Norfolk and then Lower Norfolk. Princess Anne was derived > from Lower Norfolk. I would check Norfolk and Princess Anne as well as the > city of Hampton, Va for records. > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Suffolk [City] - has m, div, pro, ct and and records records from 1866- Nansemond County andSuffolk City merged 1974- Suffolk City not formed until 1910- became independent City 1972, by the date of the records, this is possibly one of the "burned counties" of Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brownie MacKie" <BMacKie1@compuserve.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] FW: [THOMAS] William H. Thomas > Here's what I have on Nansamond: Nansamond County was organized in 1637 > under name of "Upper Norfolk" and changed to Nansamond in 1642. The > Nansamond records were totally destroyed. > > Norfolk was New Norfolk and then Lower Norfolk. Princess Anne was derived > from Lower Norfolk. I would check Norfolk and Princess Anne as well as the > city of Hampton, Va for records. > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > >

Here's what I have on Nansamond: Nansamond County was organized in 1637 under name of "Upper Norfolk" and changed to Nansamond in 1642. The Nansamond records were totally destroyed. Norfolk was New Norfolk and then Lower Norfolk. Princess Anne was derived from Lower Norfolk. I would check Norfolk and Princess Anne as well as the city of Hampton, Va for records.

In a message dated 04/11/2001 2:28:13 PM Mountain Daylight Time, glh@naxs.com writes: > When a Barrow and Sow "make love" ( I won't go into > details) the result is the birth of piglets.. usually four to twelve to a > litter.. > You are now becoming a country girl.! I'm also smart enough to know which list to ask when I'm stumped! Also a great list for esoteric legal questions! Those I can usually figure out, but barrows and gamlets... Thanks to everyone! So now I know what George owned and that he died before the first frost of 1729. A good afternoon's work. Happy hunting, all. Karen

>>Does anybody know when the tobacco harvest in VA would have been 1729? Fall? This man died AFTER the tobacco had been "harvest and laid up."<< Tobacco then, as now, would have been harvested in August, Sept. or early Oct.. It must be harvested before the first frost in fall. GLH >>Also please explain to me what "barrow" means in terms of livestock. I'm a city girl.<< A Barrow is a Male Hog.. It can be a young barrow or one which is kept for breeding purposes.. The slang word is "bore hog" .. They can be nutered, and must be, to be used for meat... The female is a Sow.. When a Barrow and Sow "make love" ( I won't go into details) the result is the birth of piglets.. usually four to twelve to a litter.. You are now becoming a country girl.! G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, VA.

In a message dated 04/11/2001 8:09:18 AM Mountain Daylight Time, DianainDallas@prodigy.net writes: > Now I > wonder what it's time period might be? The time period for this inventory list is 1729 in Stafford Co. VA. OK--some MORE questions: Does anybody know when the tobacco harvest in VA would have been 1729? Fall? This man died AFTER the tobacco had been "harvest and laid up." Also please explain to me what "barrow" means in terms of livestock. I'm a city girl. Karen

In a message dated 04/11/2001 7:32:28 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jbaxter@myriad.net writes: > Could it be a gimlet: : a small tool with a screw point, grooved shank, and > cross handle for boring holes > Which might be more likely than fabric, given its position in the list after two "chissels."

In a message dated 04/11/2001 6:21:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time, martee@citlink.net writes: > would be listed in association > with the "stillyurd" (as it was pronounced) > as you seem to indicate in your query. They're not right together--here's the "gamblet" context: <<1 iron ladle, 1 flesh fork, 2 chissels, 1 gamblet, 3 feather beds, bolsters and fiurniture and 1 new bed and bolster, 1 suiting clothes and 1 pair of boots,>> the fact that it's followed by the beds and clothing items suggests it COULD BE "camblet"--fabric. However, if fabric why 1 gamblet--1 roll or packet of fabric? Thanks for "stalliard"--I did try all my dictionaries before turning to the list--these two I could not find! Karen

I found this on another list I belong to. Can anyone help this lady out? -- Cara Showers Anchorage, Alaska cara@dcdesign.com ---------- From: TrinkyLou@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:25:16 EDT To: THOMAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [THOMAS] William H. Thomas Resent-From: THOMAS-L@rootsweb.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:25:22 -0700 I have discovered that my GGGGrandfather William H. Thomas was born in Nansemond County, VA. This county is now extinct and part of another city and is not considered in a county. Does anyone have any idea how you check the records like that? His wife's Civil War papers, that she filed to get his pension said he was born in that county about 1820. I think the county was just southeast of Isle of Wight and west of Norfolk. Any help would be appreciated. Kathy ==== THOMAS Mailing List ==== Your contributions to RootsWeb helps make THOMAS-L possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

I have a pocket stalliard. I had no idea what it's name was. It is easy to tell it's use from looking but I wondered why it was so small. Now I wonder what it's time period might be? Do you know Paul? It does seem reasonable to think the other item is also a pocket tool and not luxurious fabric. Diana

Could it be a gimlet: : a small tool with a screw point, grooved shank, and cross handle for boring holes

In addition to Paul's always learned response, I did see that camlet has also been written as camblet. Is it possible that the "g" on the inventory might possibly be a "c"? Happy Hunting, Shelly ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul <martee@citlink.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Need definitions/household goods > A "pocket stalliard" is a small "steelyard" - > a "scales" - a weight measure, with a hook by > which it could be suspended in the from > anything or held up by hand, another hook > from which was hung the object to be weighed, > and opposite the object to be weighed was a > sliding graduated scale, thus revealing the > weight. > > While I suspect you are not writing the word > "camlet" (a costly fabric made of silk and > camel hair), I have not seen the word > "gamblet" and would appreciate it if you > would pass along what others think it means. > Paul > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > Hosted by Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

Hi Ms. Shelly; yep, always possible - maybe even likely - however I wonder why that inventory item would be listed in association with the "stillyurd" (as it was pronounced) as you seem to indicate in your query. Paul

A "pocket stalliard" is a small "steelyard" - a "scales" - a weight measure, with a hook by which it could be suspended in the from anything or held up by hand, another hook from which was hung the object to be weighed, and opposite the object to be weighed was a sliding graduated scale, thus revealing the weight. While I suspect you are not writing the word "camlet" (a costly fabric made of silk and camel hair), I have not seen the word "gamblet" and would appreciate it if you would pass along what others think it means. Paul