Ok, guys, what's a RUNDLETT???????????/ Old George had one, whatever it may be. Karen

Joan Gooding wrote: > Hi, > I have just started my research on my southern half of the family and > discovered that I have a CSA Vet. Where does one write to find info on > this man? I understand that the National Archives don't have CSA > members. > THanks for any help you can give. > Joan There are records in the archives if the Confederate did any time as a prisoner of war. From what I have seen, there are state records available if the subject was a member of a Tennessee, North Carolina, or Virginia unit. Also, don't overlook the publication, THE CONFEDERATE VETERAN (hope I got that right!)...it was a magazine pubished for about 60 years. It is indexed and contains information about a lot of individual Confederate soldiers and their units. Ed Hamblin Chesapeake, VA

Hi, I have just started my research on my southern half of the family and discovered that I have a CSA Vet. Where does one write to find info on this man? I understand that the National Archives don't have CSA members. THanks for any help you can give. Joan

Hi, I have just started my research on my southern half of the family and discovered that I have a CSA Vet. Where does one write to find info on this man? I understand that the National Archives don't have CSA members. THanks for any help you can give. Joan

>From Lunenburg Co. Deed Bk 7-127 June 3, 1761 from James Roberts Jr of Halifax County, to Samuel Harris of L[unenburg] and Cumberland Parish, for the yearly rent of the quitrents, have leased and do farm and let a certain tract of land in L and Cumberland Parish on the north side of Meherrin River containing 200 acres, it being the land laid off by George Walton for John Loving, unto the said Harris and his wife Ann during each of their natural lives, with the improvements and all other appurtenances belonging to the land. To the performance of this deed, Roberts binds himself in the sum of 200 pds., to be paid to Harris after the 1st breach of these articles above mentioned. Signed - James Roberts. Wit - none. Recorded June 2, 1761 [?] (Source: TLC Genealogy, LUNENBURG COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS 7 & i[1761-1764] [Miami Beach: TLC Genealogy, 1990], p. 17) Can anyone on this list identify this Samuel Harris? Parentage? Children, if any? Probable birthplace? Submitted by E.W.Wallace (female) southern California

Where would I write for copies of the contents of a file for a Virginia Militia man? I have a Pension Application Number. Would it be NARA or the State of Virginia?  Any special department or application form? Thanks List,    Ken Larsen

Do you by chance know who the Ferguson Park was named after? Thanks Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: G. Lee Hearl <glh@naxs.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Newport News > About Newport News Housing: > > The govenment housing project at James River bridge was called Ferguson > Park. There was also housing complex covering a hundred acres or so along > 39th street called Copeland Park..They were built for workers during WWII.. > A lot of military people lived in Ferguson Park after the war.. I believe > the brick apartments on Washington Ave. were built by the shipyard but I > don't know when.. Hilton Village along Rt. 60 in Warwick (later Newport > News) were WWI housing.. > Hope this helps... > G. Lee Hearl > Authentic Appalachian Storyteller > Abingdon, VA. > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > Hosted by Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

About Newport News Housing: The govenment housing project at James River bridge was called Ferguson Park. There was also housing complex covering a hundred acres or so along 39th street called Copeland Park..They were built for workers during WWII.. A lot of military people lived in Ferguson Park after the war.. I believe the brick apartments on Washington Ave. were built by the shipyard but I don't know when.. Hilton Village along Rt. 60 in Warwick (later Newport News) were WWI housing.. Hope this helps... G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, VA.

Greetings, I am trying to get a handle on as many of the Cemeteries located in Halifax Co Va. as possible. I own the 2 vol. "Halifax Co (Va) Cemeteries" by George Calvin Waldreb III. George Calvin said there were as many as 80 cemeteries he had notation of, but did not get to cover in his books. I know of at least one cemetery not covered in the two books simply because I have been there and seen the graves of my parents and other ancestors with my own eyes. Please e-mail me the names and locations of any Cemeteries in Halifax Co. Va . you know of, no Surnames. Also if anyone knows of other sources of Halifax Co VA. Cemetery names, locations and grave inscriptions I would appreciate the info. Thanks in advance for all the help I hope to receive. Larry

I'd like to know if anyone remembers four large brick apartment buildings which stood on Washington Avenue in the 45-50th Street vicinity. Were these buildings constructed during the WWII effort or long before? Also, I believe there were some old military dwellings near the James River Bridge that were used for civilian housing. Many of the residents were employed by the NN Shipyard and Dry Dock Co. or in the Navy Dept. at the Shipyard. Does anyone remember the name and locations of these developments? While this is not quite colonial history, the importance of Newport News as a military fortification cannot be denied. I'm just curious about a little "recent history." bbc

The "originals" of the "Visitations" (taken at numerous places during many different years, including those of the years 1630-1640 mentioned by you) are not available for review in London, except by recognized scholars or by special permission. The copies and abstracts of those into popular printed works, such as the 1885 edition you mention, are as "original" or "primary" (whatever that means) as are available to you. Unless there were typos and misinterpretations in the course of copying those records (and there surely were a few) these materials should be acceptable to all but the MOST finicky of reviewers. I have often quoted the printed copies - "abstracts" - of the "Visitations of London, 1633, 1634, 1635"; it too was published in 1885. Good luck. Paul

Hello Everyone: The source for the English ancestry of the Henrico Co Baugh lines that are "out there" on the web, seems to rely completely on: "The Visitation of Gloucestershire, 1623" Edited by Sir John Maclean, F.S.A. and W.C. Heane, M.R.C.S. Eng. published London, 1885 R929.06 qH28 1885 v.21" I would like to know whether this publication is considered a secondary source, primary source?? I have no doubt that the relationship exists, but I don't think the sons, cousins who emigrated to VA have been sorted out at all. If you are a Baugh researcher, William is sited as the progenitor of all us Henrico Co Baughs but that doesn't account at all for the John Baugh buying land on the Appomatox way before William Baugh is. And there is the unanswered question of who the Rowland and William Baugh of Accomac Co VA in the 1600s are, in fact I think I'm the only one who even realizes they are over there. Rowland Baugh is transported and a William Baugh is consistently on the tithe lists. Several Baughs appear now and again in court records. I only know this because I have a whole passel of other folks over there and was going through tithe lists looking for them, and was stunned to find William.) Thanks in advance, Janet Lee (Baugh) Hunter, formerly at Janmim@aol.com, focussing in on John (Thomas Baugh), sons of William Baugh as father of John Baugh d. 1761 in Chesterfield.

In a message dated 4/13/01 6:54:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Hdanw@aol.com writes: << In March, this query was posted: >> Hello Everyone, As I Janet (Baugh) Hunter have never changed email addresses before, I don't know what the proper protocol is. My previous address was janmim@aol.com, but AOL and I had a major encounter about billing issues, and they set me up with a free two month new screen name, which I plan to keep. Jleehunt1. (My middle name is actually Lee). At the same time I lost almost all my past emails, including several from many of you. So if you have attempted to send me an email in the interim, please accept my apologies, especially Paul and Bill Hunt. (Although I do still have Janmim as a screen name on AOL Instant Messenger, and I know just how long all of you AOLers stay on line! :-) EW, I did receive your email regarding the various stages of land ownership, which you sent to me privately last month and have posted onto just now the list. And did acknowledge it on the list in a post which I am pasting in below to the list on March 22. I followed your advice re Cavaliers and Pioneers. Since then I have been looking more carefully at earlier records in various locales, ie before the land was patented, and it has been very helpful and interesting. I think too often the date of the patent is stated in such a way that it makes it sound like that was when they first moved there, as if the process was akin to buying a house today. Anyway,....here is my original post, and my apologies for not having answered you directly. Also, the posts I did on four lists on Thomas Cooper raised enough interest that I now know that my next step should be to study Essex Co VA records, as there are lots of Coopers there, including Thos. and folks who migrated from there to Henry (and I think probably Bedford Co earlier) in the mid to late 1700s (ie, Ambrose Jones) and who had connections with the Cooper and Anthony clans in Henry Co. Essex is not a burned county and the number of court records abstracted is absolutely daunting. Best Regards, Janet Lee (Baugh) Hunter. The Lee comes from my grandmother's best friend in Missouri. However my children have a paternal Lee line in Bertie>Craven/Jones Co NC, 1700s. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:22:09 EST From: <Janmim@aol.com> To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <e0.1210244b.27eb8ec1@aol.com> Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Lt. Gov Dinwiddie & Patents and Land Grants Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to thank you all for the discussion on this subject which has been very informative. I have concluded that, yes my Thomas Cooper could have been living on Possum Creek just SE of Lynchburg in 1748, even though the patent wasn't "signed" until 1755. EW Wallace in a response that came directly to me suggested that I look in the preface to Cavaliers and Pioneers for the period (Vol VI), which I did and found the following interesting excerpt that could have exacerbated the normal 1-5 year delay: >From page ix "The first of these changes (in patent practices) occurred near the beginning of Lieutenant Governor Robert Dinwiddie's administration and took its name from the new fee of one Pistole (a Spanish gold coin worth one pound one shilling and six pence in Virginia currency) that Dinwiddie demanded for affixing the royal seal of Virginia to every land patent he signed" Then there's talk about the controversy and the qualifications for application of the fee... Then it says "By late October 1755 the land patenting process in Virginia had been settled, and over the next three years Dinwiddie signed the backlog of patents that had been awaiting his signature in 1752 and other patents for thousands of acres under the guidelines laid down by the Privy Council." Just thought that'd be of interest. Best Regards, Janet (Baugh) Hunter ______________________________ ------------------------------

In March, this query was posted: From: Janmim@aol.com   To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com   Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:37 PM   Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] 1700s -- Patents/LandGrants/Squatters???   Virginia Researchers,   In m continuing search for the ancestors of my Thomas Cooper, who was  first   with his father of same name, Ablbemarle by 1746 , then Bedford then Henry Co   VA until he moved to GA  ca 1791/2...I have located his father I am sure in   Albemarle Co 1746..road orders.  Involving LYNCH and CAFFREy.   I have two questions...(1) Could an individual "settle" on land, ie squat,   for a period of time before he patented land...as they did in the midwest.   (2) This is the same question, but a different way and is more "historical"   in nature...in the 1700s did our ancestors move west (ie from couties within   30 miles of the Chesapeake) and settle on land that they did not seek patents   for until many years  later.   My Best Regards.....Janet (Baugh) Hunter Response: The address is no longer valid. Therefore, I am sending to the list. Responses/corrections welcomed. Hello, I've been traveling--checking up on my living relatives, for a change. Therefore, I missed your earlier posting about the possibility of people squatting on land before it was settled/patented. My understanding is that in order to patent land in Virginia there were several processes which took place: First, the settler/patentee (we hope) got a WARRANT (from the government--the Crown, in pre-Revolutionary Virginia). This indicated he was thinking about acquiring a certain piece of property. Second, he then got a SURVEY. Which means he had to hire a surveyor and point out the land he wanted. I'm sure it was more complicated than this. The land surveyed didn't always get settled, the person/proposed patentee sometime assigning the survey to another party (or perhaps giving up the idea). Third, after settling on the land and clearing a certain portion of it, the settler then could file for a patent. If he did not *seat* the land, then the land escheated--went back to the government. If you can get hold of some early volumes of Nell Marion Nugent's books called Cavaliers and Pioneers (widely available), there is an explanation in the preface of one of the volumes explaining the process. I'm certain the process is much more complex than I have indicated. I attended last October a lecture on KY land grants, given by a top-notch lady of the Kentucky Land Office in Frankfort. She made us repeat several times: Warrant, Survey, Grant. Since Kentucky is a sister state of Virginia (establ. as a state in 1792), I'm sure the same procedure was followed in Virginia. Land grants in the Northern Neck were different than those in the other parts of the State. This was land between the Potomac and the Rappahannock and belonged after a certain date to the Lord Fairfax estate (and his heirs). Those early grants are found in Cavaliers & Pioneers (such as for Northumberland Co.), but later ones are separate. If interested, write me back. E.W.Wallace southern California who has spent LOTS of time with Cavaliers & Pioneers trying to figure out neighbors, watercourses, etc.

Need assistance, please, for FERGUSON locations ca. 1815: John FERGUSON (FARGUSON) JR. - Marly's (Marley's) Branch, 10 miles north of Rocky Mount Courthouse, Franklin Co. VA. John FERGUSON - Chestnut Creek - 6 miles south of Rocky Mount Courthouse, Franklin Co. VA. John FERGUSON - of Franklin Co. VA but also owned land in Bedford Co. VA - Craddocks Creek - 22 miles south of Bedford (Liberty) Courthouse, Bedford Co. VA. Isham M. FARGUSON (Ferguson) & Isham FARGUSON (Ferguson) deceased (latter was son of John Ferguson Sr. & Mary Gill of Chesterfield Co. VA & Bedford Co. VA) Little Creek - 8 mi. north of Rocky Mount, Franklin Co. VA. TIA, Christie Ferguson Cirone

Need assistance, please, re. 1815 location of ancestor John PHELPS (m. 1) unkn.; m. 2) Mary "Polly" FERGUSON. John PHELPS d. 1815 intestate Franklin Co. VA, son of Lieut. John PHELPS & Jemima TURNER, grandson of Col. John PHELPS & wife Mary, all of Bedford Co. VA). In 1815 John PHELPS (d. intestate 1815) owned a considerable estate including 12 slaves and a plantation directly adjacent to Staunton River, 25 miles NE of Rocky Mount Courthouse, Franklin Co. VA. Neighbors ca. 1815-1820 were MARTIN, BRADSHAW, PAYNE, Joab EARLY, William & Jemima (SAUNDERS) PARKER, William Greer & Permelia "Milly" (PHELPS) HEPTINSTALL, Henry & Eleanor "Nelly" WOODCOCK, John K. & Mary "Polly" (PHELPS) FERGUSON, Christopher "Kit" & Susannah (PHELPS) BOARD, Moses & Sophia (PHELPS) FERGUSON, William PASLEY, Richard RICHERSON, Randolph RICHERSON. Children of John PHELPS (d. 1815) by 1st unkn. wife: Nancy PHELPS m. James Hooper BURNETT Mary "Polly" PHELPS m. John K. FERGUSON Sophia PHELPS m. Moses FERGUSON Susannah PHELPS m. Christopher "Kit" BOARD Children of John PHELPS (d. 1815) by 2nd wife Mary "Polly" FERGUSON: Permelia "Milly" PHELPS m. William G. HEPTINSTALL Richard T. PHELPS m. Bethany Ellis THURMAN Evaline PHELPS m. Samuel ARRINGTON TIA, Christie Ferguson Cirone

"Thank you!" to all who have answered my querie about this "TR" thing. Lots of good definitions and explanations. I think, to settle any doubts, I'll just have to wait for the actual deeds to get her in the mail. Hopefully it will all be explained in the deed. I did have one other question, though. I'm still not sure what the "Trd." could mean on a land deed that I have a copy of (not just an index, this time). On the land deed, the "Trd." is centered just under the description of the land at the very top of the deed. I started to attach a copy of the deed that I've scanned in, so you could see it, but I don't think the list will allow an attachment. Here's how it looks, though: --------------------------------------------- A. M. Gregory to 4 A. Bakers Fk. of Elk 2 Mi. Charleston Dist. Harry A. Gregory Trd. --------------------------------------------- This is at the very top of the courthouse deed. The Trd. is not in handwriting, it's typed just like the rest of the deed. What's under this text is the verbage for the deed. Nothing above it. Has anyone seen this before? The 4 acres of property was part of a 150 acre piece of land that A. M., Amanda M. Gregory, my g-g-grandmother, owned in Elk 2 Mile, WV. Harry is her adopted son, my g-grandfather. Harry and his wife lived in Baker's Fork at Elk 2 Mile when my grandfather was born. My grandfather remembers the property as being a small house on a big farm. The reason I'm saying all of this is because I think it might shed some light as to what the Trd. stands for. It couldn't have been a Trade, because money was given by Harry to Amanda and is stated so in the deed. If it stands for Trusteed, that doens't make sense to me, because there is no 3rd party on the deed. Only the 2 parties mentioned above. Can anyone help? -- Cara Showers Anchorage, Alaska cara@dcdesign.com

I am studying land patents in the area of present day Dinwiddie County (formerly Prince George). Some of the patents are for parcels along Monk's Neck Creek. Earlier I find the same families along Moccosoneck Creek. On contemporary maps I can only find a Monk's Neck Bridge on Rowanty Creek. Does anyone know if Moccosoneck and Monk's Neck Creeks are the same and if the name of this watercourse might later have been changed to Rowanty? I have access to a good academic library but have so far not been able to find early maps that would help me answer this question. Thanks for any help or thoughts about how I might proceed. Carolyn Hartsough

http://dictionary.law.com/ http://www.duhaime.org/diction.htm Excellent answers http://www.lectlaw.com/ref.html These sites have helped me often and maybe they will help you. Margaret

Maybe the TR means transferred. Just a guess. Edith In a message dated 4/12/01 1:26:17 PM, cara@dcdesign.com writes: << Thanks for all your responses. Here's how I've seen TR used: In the grantee & grantor indexes here are some examples: Gibson, Robert TR Gregory, Sarah E. By TR Galligher, P.H. et al By TR Gibson, Stanley & Wf By TR Gibson, George S. By TR Miller, Samuel A. TR ETAL Stump, Wilbur TR The TR is typed into the index with the original text. It wasn't added later. If the TR stands for trustee, what would that mean? Would that make the land deed a trust deed? I'm not that knowledgable about such things, but I believe a trust deed is land sold to a 2nd party who makes payments on the land to the 1st party and the 1st party holds the land in his name as collateral until the land is paid for. Sort of like owner financing. Is that correct? I don't yet have copies of any of the actual deeds that are specified with the TR in the index. ---------------------- One land deed I have a copy of, doesn't have mention of TR in the index, but the top of the deed looks like this: A.M. Gregory to 4 A. Bakers Fk. of Elk 2 Mi. Charleston Dist. Harry A. Gregory Trd. Now I don't know if this "Trd." has anything at all to do with the TR in the indexes. Like I mentioned, in the index where the Bakers Fork land is listed, there's no TR or Trd. They might be unrelated. Also in the Bakers Fork land deed I thought, originally, that the "Trd." stood for trade, but in the deed it says "...Witnesseth that for and in consideration of Twenty Dollars Paid in hand..." So it does appear to be a cash transaction and not a trade.>> ----------------------