OK, so some of you object to the fact that I think words like "hearsay," "primary" and "secondary" are nonsense and not needed by any of us anytime for any reason. Use those words if you choose, however do, please, tell us which a tombstone is. While writing that answer, remember that headstones are pure "hearsay" in its most classical form !! Indeed, not only are those hearsay, but more than that we usually have no idea whatever who wrote the words that appear there or even who told the carver what to write, do we? Then too, suppose you are trying to prove your Grandmother's birth year. Surely, every one of us would consider ALL of the following bits of information as evidence. So, those of you who think that the labels "primary" and "secondary" please tell us which are which: 1) a Bible entry in her own hand saying 1899, 2) her tombstone saying 1898, 3) her obituary saying 1899, 4) her daughter's recollection that it was 1898, 5) her son's family history saying that it was 1899, 6) her death certificate saying 1898, 7) the church birth record showing 1899, 8) her driver's license showing 1899, 9) her own notes showing 1898, and 10) her mother's Bible record revealing that 1899, and her marriage license stating that 1899 was the correct year. These are difficult to reconcile, and I suggest that as you considered this problem you DID NOT even think the words "primary" or "secondary"; instead, you thought about how likely correct and reliable each was. More than that, what in the world makes the difference to you in your efforts to answer the question of her birth year?? Oh, by the way, did you decide whether the headstone is primary or secondary??? Please tell us all. Have a nice weekend. Paul

Virginia; your address kicks back at ehaw3@home.com ??????? Please contact me privately. Paul

Does anyone have any info on Lee Watkins m. Lela Unknown. Shown in soundex of 1880 from Isle of Wight. Need info on family and particular son, Marshall b. 3/1884. Thanks

I have been asked many questions about genealogical evidence and proof. Having extracted the basics from my lengthy NGS article of some years ago, I will be glad to forward this shortened version to any who are interested. Paul

Hi-- In 1751 Josiah Whitlock of King WIlliam Co., Va bought 1000 acres of land in that part of Amelia Co., Va which later became Prince Edward Co. His Will in Prince Edward County Will Book 1, pg 115 , date 21 Oct 1769 gives the names of his children but his wife must have been dead since she was not mentioned. Josiah Whitlock was probably born in King William Co., Va around 1730. Also he probably was married around 1750 in King William Co. Has anyone seem a marriage bond for Josiah Whitlock. I would like to find the name of his parents and his siblings. Thanks Sincerely, REGINALD L. VASSAR 3950 DAUPHIN PKWY ERIE, PA 16506 E-MAIL: rlv18@juno.com Web Site: http://www.angelfire.com/va/eriehome/index.html

Joan Gooding wrote: > Hi, > I have just started my research on my southern half of the family and > discovered that I have a CSA Vet. Where does one write to find info on > this man? I understand that the National Archives don't have CSA > members. > THanks for any help you can give. > Joan If the veteran was from Texas and he or his widow applied for a pension, you can order pension records online at this site. http://link.tsl.state.tx.us/c/compt/index.html Sara Binkley Tarpley

In a message dated 4/16/01 7:50:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jleehunt1@aol.com writes: << as well as the "War of the Revolution" series) >> I meant to say War of the Rebellion....Janet

I do not know if someone has already provided this references, but their is a multi-multi volume set of books, known as the: The roster of Confederate soldiers, 1861-1865 / edited by Janet B. Hewett. Published: Wilmington, NC : Broadfoot Publishing Co., 1995- Most larger libraries or genealogy libraries have it (as well as the "War of the Revolution" series). It is an index, and a good librarian should be able to then guide you to other volumes for the state in question that provide information (in the case of Arkansas anyway), about where the regiment/companies were organized (which may or may not accurately indicate where the soldiers actually were from), which campaigns they were in (which may support family lore about grandpa being in the Battle of X, Y, Z), and also point you in the right direction to find rosters. Arkansas is the only place I have looked for information (so far unsuccessfully), and I would imagine that Virginia resources might be better organized. My ancestors lived in the Ozarks. Both the Union and the Confederate armies actively recruited the same populations in those corners of Arkansas and Missouri. I once quipped, because it seemed a real possibility, that they must have set up tables side-by-side on the town green to do their recruiting (and was told that wasn't all that far from the truth). Best REgards, Janet (Baugh) Hunter, formerly at janmim@aol.com

I have an essentially complete set of links to on-line Civil War information on my web site at http://www.researchonline.net/cwsites.htm If you are looking for a particular soldier and do not know what regiment he served in, send me an email and I will do a lookup in my master index for you. John Rigdon ResearchOnLine http://www.researchonline.net

Dear Lists, My mail to Karen Howell has been returned. Does anyone have the email address for Karen? It was> rkhowell@flash.net Thanks for the help! Sallie Hurt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

> > The govenment housing project at James River bridge was called Ferguson > Park. There was also housing complex covering a hundred acres or so along > 39th street called Copeland Park..They were built for workers during WWII.. > A lot of military people lived in Ferguson Park after the war.. I believe > the brick apartments on Washington Ave. were built by the shipyard but I > don't know when.. -Named after Homer L. Ferguson (see below) Copeland Park covered from 39th Street to around 48th Street. Barracks for military personnel and military workers. Converted to quad-plex and du-plex living after the war. I lived there when a 'wee-child'. Copeland Park was across the city from the James River, bordering the city of Hampton. Area buldozed in 50's and now an industrial area. Across Marshall Ave was Newsome Park - same type of housing, except for African American families. Newsome Park is still a residential area. Ferguson Park is now a parking lot - during the 70's the great plan for re-vitalizing the downtown area of Newport News. Now, 2001, plans that have have been re-done hundreds of times are coming to possible fruition with a major re-building planned. > Hilton Village along Rt. 60 in Warwick (later Newport > News) were WWI housing.. Actually, Hilton Village was a 'Planned Community' building started c. 1918 - Many pictures available at Library Virginia Photo Collections. >From a later posting -- Who was Ferguson? Homer L. Ferguson, shipyard visionary, president perhaps the most remarkable person to have lived in Newport News was Homer Lenoir Ferguson, a Naval Academy graduate who preferred building ships to sailing them. Ferguson was president of the Newport News Shipbuilding and Dry Dock Co. through two world wars and, between them, the Depression. Ferguson, a native of western North Carolina, resigned from the Navy in 1905 to join Collis P. Huntington’s shipyard as an engineer. In 1914, when Albert Hopkins, the president of the yard, died in the sinking of the Lusitania, Ferguson became president of the largest private shipyard in the world. He held that post until 1946. It was his habit to walk through the yard and stop and speak with the mechanics and pipefitters and those laboring aboard ships being repaired. Ferguson created the Apprentice School to train shipbuilders. He persuaded the U.S. Shipping Board to build housing for shipyard workers during World War I. He talked Archer Huntington into funding The Mariners’ Museum, now one of the world’s leading maritime museums. He helped set up the Virginia War Museum, a bank, a Rotary Club and countless community charity drives. He served as president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and there was talk that he ought to run for governor or even president — talk he quickly silenced. Ferguson took pride in guiding the shipyard’s wartime buildup when the workforce swelled to meet the demand for destroyers, battleships, cargo ships and aircraft carriers. His greatest accomplishment was keeping the workforce in place and busy when there was no demand for Navy ships. In 1922, when contracts for warships had been cancelled, he deliberately underbid the job to renovate a seized German liner which was renamed the Leviathan. At that time, it was the world’s largest passenger ship. The yard lost $1.2 million, but it kept its reputation intact as a builder of good ships. - The Daily Press, Newport News --- I guess that is the lot of it. Bill Lester Newport News, Virginia

In looking for data on Winifred Andrews, daughter of Wm. & Avis Andrews of Dinwiddie Co., I can not find much specific information. We know that she married a "Granger" since that was the name given in William's will. (1770) Did she marry John Granger of Lunenburg Co.? I found the following in Lunenburg Co. data: --------------------------------------------------------------- Granger, John 12-10-1793; 1-9-1794; W.B. 4/43-4 Mentions: Wife: Agnes Granger Sons: Annenias Granger, John Granger, Benjamin Granger Daughters: Lucretia Granger, Bray Granger, Laurania Granger, Polly Granger, Avis Wills and her children Grandsons: Moses Granger, Annenais Granger Executors: Benjamin Gee, Jr., Benjamin Andrews, Drury Andrews Witnesses: Peter Garland, Nevil Gee, Curtis (?) Hardy. Marriage record: John Granger Agness Roberts 2/21/1781 -------------------------------------------------------- Some data shows this John Granger to be the son of Winifred and John Granger. But if you look at the date of this above marriage (1781) and the date of his will (1793), he had only been married 12 years. Certainly not long enough for the grandchildren mentioned in his will. Could this be the Granger that married Winifred, and perhaps after her death, he married Agness? I'm just guessing at this, but I just don't think Agness was his first wife....... I also noticed that one daughter of Granger's was Avis. Could this have been a daughter named after her grandmother, Avis? Would like some feedback. Thanks. Sue

> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Deane <country.gardens@home.com> > To: Donna Doss <ddoss1@email.msn.com>; <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Newport News > > > > Ferguson Park was named after Homer Lenoir Ferguson who was the president > of > > the Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock Company for several > > decades......throught the 1940's and 50's. > > His many descendents live all around the Newport News and Tidewater > Virginia > > area. > > Deane F. Mills > > > > > > > Do you by chance know who the Ferguson Park was named after? > > > Thanks > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: G. Lee Hearl <glh@naxs.com> > > > To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:29 PM > > > Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Newport News > > > > > > > > > > About Newport News Housing: > > > > > > > > The govenment housing project at James River bridge was called > Ferguson > > > > Park. There was also housing complex covering a hundred acres or so > > along > > > > 39th street called Copeland Park..They were built for workers during > > > WWII.. > > > > A lot of military people lived in Ferguson Park after the war.. I > > believe > > > > the brick apartments on Washington Ave. were built by the shipyard but > I > > > > don't know when.. Hilton Village along Rt. 60 in Warwick (later > Newport > > > > News) were WWI housing.. > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > G. Lee Hearl > > > > Authentic Appalachian Storyteller > > > > Abingdon, VA. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > > > > Hosted by Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > > > USGenWeb Archives Census Project > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > >

Ferguson Park was named after Homer Lenoir Ferguson who was the president of the Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock Company for several decades......throught the 1940's and 50's. His many descendents live all around the Newport News and Tidewater Virginia area. Deane F. Mills > Do you by chance know who the Ferguson Park was named after? > Thanks > Donna > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: G. Lee Hearl <glh@naxs.com> > To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:29 PM > Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Newport News > > > > About Newport News Housing: > > > > The govenment housing project at James River bridge was called Ferguson > > Park. There was also housing complex covering a hundred acres or so along > > 39th street called Copeland Park..They were built for workers during > WWII.. > > A lot of military people lived in Ferguson Park after the war.. I believe > > the brick apartments on Washington Ave. were built by the shipyard but I > > don't know when.. Hilton Village along Rt. 60 in Warwick (later Newport > > News) were WWI housing.. > > Hope this helps... > > G. Lee Hearl > > Authentic Appalachian Storyteller > > Abingdon, VA. > > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > > Hosted by Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Census Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

I have gotten five CSA records from the archives. Only one was ever a prisoner of war. One was killed in action. The states range from VA to MO to AL, so it doesn't seem to be a state thing. SJ Ed & Linda Hamblin wrote: > Joan Gooding wrote: > > > Hi, > > I have just started my research on my southern half of the family and > > discovered that I have a CSA Vet. Where does one write to find info on > > this man? I understand that the National Archives don't have CSA > > members. > > THanks for any help you can give. > > Joan > > There are records in the archives if the Confederate did any time as a > prisoner of war. From what I have seen, there are state records available > if the subject was a member of a Tennessee, North Carolina, or Virginia > unit. Also, don't overlook the publication, THE CONFEDERATE VETERAN (hope > I got that right!)...it was a magazine pubished for about 60 years. It is > indexed and contains information about a lot of individual Confederate > soldiers and their units. > > Ed Hamblin > Chesapeake, VA > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Census Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

First, the National Archives does indeed have the CSA records. I have gotten all my southern family's records from there. Second, there are several wonderful places on the internet for information. I found one of them by simply typing the name of the veteran into a search engine, and it came up with some piece of information on some man's Civil War website. Try typing in Civil War and your ancestor's state into a search engine and see where it takes you. But you'll find more if you already know what regiment, etc., he was in, and for that, write to the archives. They do have the records. Susan J

In a message dated 4/15/01 1:09:08 PM, jo-maggie-Go@worldnet.att.net writes: << I understand that the National Archives don't have CSA members. >> Not so. They have compiled military service records for Confederate soldiers and sailors. Visit their website. For a pension file, you'll have to contact the particular state where he lived later on. Good luck. Craig Kilby

There are rosters in every Confederate State, as I understand it. Also, "The Confederate Veteran" magazine is in existence, is a fine Civil War periodical, and is a publication of the "Sons of Confederate Veterans"; that site searchable on your browser. Paul

Ann is correct; a runlet (rounlet, roundlet) was a small, usually round, early barrel or keg of varying sizes. A "pony keg" was also sometimes referred to as a "runlet." "WHAT DID THEY MEAN BY THAT?" is a dictionary by me containing about 4500 genealogical and historical terms and expressions which should help you in research. It is available by "search" on books at <Heritagebooks.com> and at <Amazon.com> Paul

> A small > barrel of no certain dimensions. It may contain from 3 to 20 gallons, but it usually holds about 141/2 gallons. [Written > also runlet.] This is from Dictionary.com Bookmark the site - it is very useful. KDale60909@aol.com wrote: > > Ok, guys, what's a RUNDLETT???????????/ Old George had one, whatever it may > be. > > Karen