My first ancestor found in Surry Co., Va., Thomas Weathers, purchased land s. of the Blackwater River in 1719. The deed states that he was of Southwark Parish. Apparently the first seven children of Thomas Weather & w. Lydia (Pettway?) were born while shown in Southwark. The eighth, and last child, Reuben Weathers was c. 1741, Albemarle Parish (The Register of Albemarle Parish, Surry and Sussex Counties, 1739-1778 by Richards), which was still Surry Co. According to Meade's Old Churches, p. 208: "Parishes In Surry County, This county originally contained all that is now Surrey and Sussex. There were two parishes in it in 1738, called Lawn's Creek and SOUTHWARK, running the whole length of the county toward the Carolina line, being one hundred and twenty miles. At that time each of them were curtailed; --------------. Those parts of the parishes which lie SOUTH OF THE BLACKWATER formed a parish by the name of Albemarle, ------------ and the parts north of Black River formed another parish, retaining the name of Southwark---that of Lawn's Creek being henceforth dropped." So from 1719 ( & earlier), to 1738, Thomas' & his family lived Surry County, Southwark Parish. Again from Meade's, p. 309, Rev. John Cargill, minister of Southwark parish state: "I have been here sixteen years. My parish is twenty miles in width, and one hundred inhabited in length, being a frontier-parish. It has three hundred and ninety-four families. The school of Mr. Griffin, called Christina, for Indians, is on the borders of my parish. there is one church and two chapels, and seventy or eighty communicants. My tobacco now sells at five shilling per hundred; my salary from thirty to forty pounds. My glebe-house is in a very bad condition, and the parish will not repair it, so I must look out for a house elsewhere. No school, no library, in the parish." When in 1738, the parishes were divided and Albemarle Parish was pastored by the Rev. William Willie, records were fastidiouly kept as shown by the Register cited above. There were four churches: St. Mark's, St. Andrew's, St. Paul's, and Nottoway. Thomas d. 1744. (Surry Co., Albamarle Parish) In 1754, Sussex County was formed from Surry Co...being the part south of the Blackwater. So from 1738 to 1754, Thomas's family lived Surry Co., Albemarle Parish when at that time, they were shown Sussex County, Albemarle Parish living on the same land, and without having moved physically from 1719. My hope is that someone on this list knows of records of the Rev. John Cargill or of Southwark Parish...letters, records of baptisms, marriages, Vestry book,? In checking a number of years ago for the above, I was told by the LVA that there were no records , but with other missing records found in the last few years, I was hoping the Southwark & Cargill records might be one of those. The Bath Parish Register of Dinwiddie County, by William Lindsay Hopkins, p. 31: Marriages-- Oct 9, 1828 Marriages: Banjamin Fillyche to Miss Margaret B. Cargill at Mr. John Cargill's, Sussex Co. So the Cargill name (same family?) was still in the area, Sussex, as late as 1828.. Thank you for taking the time to consider this. I will greatly appreciate ANY informaiton you could add either in the form of records, or advice as to where to go from here (other than to "give up". :-). Thanks again, Sarah Withers Keesee lydiap@salisbury.net

Are any of you super-sleuths able to help me untangle the ancestors of these persons whose names appear below in bold? Marmaduke Williams is found later in Caswell Co., NC (not to be confused with Duke Williams, a probable cousin). Also, is this information correct? The brief bio of Marmaduke Williams gives his great-grandparents but does not reveal his parentage. Does anyone know who is the father of Marmaduke Williams? And who are the parents of Duke Williams of Caswell Co.? AGNESS HARRIS NEE PAYNE. According to a long-ago query, 1896, in VIRGINIA MAGAZINE OF HISTORY AND BIOGRAPHY, v. 3, concerning the Williams family, Hon. Marmaduke Williams (see Wheeler's HISTORY OF NORTH CAROLINA, PART II, p. 78), "a great-grandson of the emigrant above [John Williams I and wife Mary]" married Mrs. Agnes Harris nee Payne, the widow of Robert Harris (son of Tyra Harris and Mary Ann Simpson ). She was a cousin of Mrs. Dolly Payne Madison. They had, among other children, one named Madison Williams and one named Dolly Payne Williams (the writer's grandmother). Can any one give exact relationship to Mrs. Madison, names of Agnes (Payne) Williams' parents, and sources for a full account of the Payne family?" /s/ Descendant." Supposition is that this query was submitted by Thomas McAdory Owen, of Alabama State Archives, who was conducting much research of the Williams family during this time period. Later research of Family Archive CD-ROM Genealogies of Virginia Families, Vol. 4, He-S, "The Payne Family of Goochland" gives this information about Agnes: Agnes Payne (daughter of Robert) m. 1st in 1795 to Robert Harris (marriage bond Pittsylvania Co. Feburary 2, 1795) and secondly Dec 25, 1798 Marmaduke Williams of North Carolina. The undersigned has a fair amount of information about Tyree/Tyra Harris of Caswell Co., NC (formerly of Orange Co., NC and of Louisa Co., VA), son of Major Robert Harris of colonial Louisa Co., VA and about the Caswell Co. parents of his second wife, Mary Ann Simpson, which I will share. The first wife of Tyree Harris was allegedly a Chapman. Has anyone information on Ms. ... Chapman Harris? Hoping for some positive answers from you super-sleuths! E.W.Wallace descendant of several Caswell Co. NC families particularly Henry Williams and wife Elizabeth ...

I have not verified any of the information, but here is one website that has information on her. Supposidly it has been established that she was first married to a "Lewis" but had no children from him. Kathy Awbrey in Pleasant Hill, OR. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mysouthernfamily/myff/d0000/g000000 1.html#I16529 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara Showers" <cara@dcdesign.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] George Washington's family > I'm wondering if there's anyone on this list who's done any research on > Pres. George Washington's family. Specifically his uncles and aunts. I don't > know if this is the right list to post this querie, but I figure if it's not > the right place, someone could direct me to the right list. I'm having > problems with researching George's aunt Mildred. > > Thanks for any help. > -- > Cara Showers > Anchorage, Alaska > cara@dcdesign.com > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Census Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Good advice, Loretta. For those same interested folks, I also have found MUCH help and food for genealogical thought in the works by historian Philip Bruce, all usually available from OOP books sources; those recommended are, "Economic History of VA in the Seventeenth Century," "Institutional History of VA in the Seventeenth Century," and "Social History of VA in the Seventeenth Century." The Social History has been repub'ed, again by Heritage Books at heritagebooks@pipeline.com

If anyone is interested in a highly academic but extremely well researched book regarding white indentures in Colonial America I recommend the following book: White Servitude in Colonial America by David Galenson, published by Cambridge University Press, 1981. Reprinted in 1984 and 1990. The introduction covers the origin of indentured servitude. A lengthy part of the book treats the subject of who came, when, where and why. There are statistical analysis of the ages, trades and literacy of those that came during various periods of Colonial settlement. The economic "drivers" and the evolution of indentured servitude in the colonies is treated quite well. It endured for so long that it did change over time as did all other aspects of "peopling" North America. As often is the case, we tend to focus very narrowly on subjects we don't understand. I recommend the book for a better understanding of what was going on in the world at the time the colonies emerged and developed. It will enlighten your view of all the subjects being discussed on this list recently. For an equally thorough discussion of women and the property laws of the colonies I would recommend the following: Women and the Law of Property in Early America by MaryLynn Salmon, published by The University of North Carolina Press, Chapel Hill and London, copyright 1986. I believe you will all be surprised. Enjoy the reading. Loretta

You sound like you might know alot about the Washingtons. My interest is mainly in Mildred, for now, and her second husband, Roger Gregory. I am trying to establish the relationship between Roger Gregory and the Richard Gregory of King William Co., VA who married Agnes West. I believe they are brothers, but I haven't found anything that certifies my hunch except for a cryptic excerpt from some notes describing some Gregory family papers held at the Library of Virginia. The description goes as follows: ----- The Gregory family was prominent in early Virginia history, dating back to the 1620s. "Elsing Green", in King William County, was the home of the Gregory's for more than a century, until 1935. Richard Gregory, a justice in King and Queen County, was the father of Roger and Richard. Roger (ca. 1690-1732) married Mildred Washington, daughter of Lawrence Washington, and deeded the Mount Vernon estate to Augustine Washington, George Washington's father. Richard married a Miss West and they had several children including Roger (b. 1729) married to Mary Cole Claiborne (d. 1771) and Fanny Lowry. ----- This excerpt leads me to think that the Roger Gregory (1690-1732) who married Mildred Washington is the brother of the Richard Gregory who married Agnes West. I've found many who are researching Richard and Agnes, and many who are researching Roger and Mildred, but I haven't found any who are researching Richard and Roger as brothers. Am I on the right track? Or am I grasping at straws? Thanks for you help. Wonderful information! -- Cara Showers Anchorage, Alaska cara@dcdesign.com ---------- From: Jane Goodsell <goodsell@infi.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:29:27 -0400 To: Cara Showers <cara@dcdesign.com> Cc: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] George Washington's family Cara: A number of George Washington's kin are buried at Highgate Plantation Cemetery, in Gloucester Co. (Va.) Highgate is referred to as the Home of the Washington's. Mildred Warner Reede, of Warner Hall, married Lawrence Washington, eldest son of Col. John Washington, the immigrant in 1691. Within a few years, she was widowed with 3 children, John Augustine and Mildred. John, the eldest, married Catharine Whiting of Gloucester and made their home at Highgate, on the Piankatank River. Augustine made his home in Westmoreland Co. and as his second wife married Mary Ball who were the parents of Gen. George Washington. Mildred married first to John Lewis (d. 1718), son of Capt. Edward Lewis; second to Roger Gregory and third to Lewis Willis. Jane Goodsell, CC Gloucester Co., VaGenWeb

Does anyone know the parents and silbings of JOHN GREEN of Amelia Co., VA who married DOLLY JONES in Brunswick VA., on Dec 5, 1772? His will was approved Jan 22, 1798 in Brunswick Co, VA. DOLLY JONES was born about 1754. She died sometime after June 14, 1827 in Lunenburg Co., VA. I have been told her father was a JOHN ROBIN JONES of Brunswick Co., VA. Does anyone know anything about him or who Dolly's mother was? Thank you. Gerry

I'm wondering if there's anyone on this list who's done any research on Pres. George Washington's family. Specifically his uncles and aunts. I don't know if this is the right list to post this querie, but I figure if it's not the right place, someone could direct me to the right list. I'm having problems with researching George's aunt Mildred. Thanks for any help. -- Cara Showers Anchorage, Alaska cara@dcdesign.com

John, The Richard Jones who died in Halifax Co. in 1779 and for whom I need name of wife was probably born no later than 1720. His children were married by 1779. I don't have a Satterfield connection. Ambrose, a brother of this Richard and who lived in NC had many descendants who stayed in NC. The Richard you speak of may have been in his line. Dorothy John Fox wrote on 4-30 <<There was a Richard Jones who married into my Satterfield family. One of Isaac Satterfield's son moved to Halifax, married and lived there. This is the area which includes Caswell and Person Counties. Thought perhaps there might be a connection. Husband: Richard JONES Birth: Place: Person County, N.C. Father: Richard JONES (1763-) Mother: Nancy -?- Wife: Sarah SATTERFIELD Birth: 1788 Death: 1859 Burial: Place: In Jones Cemetery Near Mt. Zion Church Father: Isaac SATTERFIELD (1763-) Mother: Sarah YARBROUGH Husbands Notes... Notes: Richard was drowned in a creek near John C. Van Hook's homeplace. Best regards, John Fox Winston Salem, NC

In a message dated 4/29/01 11:23:38 PM, dhrenaud@midwest.net writes: << The Richard Jones who died in Halifax Co.1779 is the Jones line I am searching. He left a will naming sons Robert and Richard, daughters Lucy Christopher and Milesent Dennis. Does anyone know who Richard's wife was or any info on the two daughters? I have the families of Robert and Richard, Jr Sorry, I have no info or know of any connection to Richard Jones who died Halifax Co. 1798. Dorothy >> Hello Dorothy, There was a Richard Jones who married into my Satterfield family. One of Isaac Satterfield's son moved to Halifax, married and lived there. This is the area which includes Caswell and Person Counties. Thought perhaps there might be a connection. Husband: Richard JONES Birth: Place: Person County, N.C. Father: Richard JONES (1763-) Mother: Nancy -?- Wife: Sarah SATTERFIELD Birth: 1788 Death: 1859 Burial: Place: In Jones Cemetery Near Mt. Zion Church Father: Isaac SATTERFIELD (1763-) Mother: Sarah YARBROUGH Husbands Notes... Notes: Richard was drowned in a creek near John C. Van Hook's homeplace. Last Modified: 3 April 1997 Best regards, John Fox Winston Salem, NC

There has been a brief discussion on the list of indentures in Virginia. The literature on indentures seems somewhat sparse, but one can get a good idea of some of these indentures, at least in the very early days in Northern Neck Virginia, from rather recently published books of W. Preston Haynie, *Northumberland County, Virginia Apprenticeships.* They were published not too long ago by Heritage Books, Bowie, MD. You will find them listed on the online Family History Library Catalog I cannot locate my slim Vol. I at the moment so do not recall the exact terms used, but I seem to recall that once in a while a *manumitted* servant sued his former employer (if that term can be used) for failing to live up to the terms of the indenture. Some of the children were hauled into court, and the court declared the age of the child (without any proof, it seems) and then the child probably had to serve until he or she was of legal age. These abstracts are quite enlightening. When one thinks of the cruelty involved, one has to think, *How were things back in the Old Country*, as my English grandmother used to call England. I'm old enough that my Dad read to us at bedtime, and some of his favorites were John Ruskin and Charles Dickens. Think of the social conditions portrayed in those books! I believe there is an older book by Daniel Boorstein (former Librarian at Library of Congress) on white indentures. I gave my copy away to a graduate student! E.W.Wallace southern California

The Richard Jones who died in Halifax Co.1779 is the Jones line I am searching. He left a will naming sons Robert and Richard, daughters Lucy Christopher and Milesent Dennis. Does anyone know who Richard's wife was or any info on the two daughters? I have the families of Robert and Richard, Jr Sorry, I have no info or know of any connection to Richard Jones who died Halifax Co. 1798. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: R.M.Shelby <rmshelby@pacbell.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Jones Family > As Robert said "...discussion of the Jones family is still warm.." I > also would like to pose a question about this family. > > The Jones family is one that I have done very little research on. I do > know there were two Richard Jones who died in Halifax Co with the latest > one dying in 1798 or so. A Caty or Kitty Jones, d/o of this particular > Richard Jones married Richard Hamblet of Halifax Co [and later Caswell > Co NC]. There was also a Mary Hamblett who married Henry Jones of Prince > Edward Co in 1770. Thomas Hamblett witnessed the wedding of Mary and > Henry. Do any of you Jones researchers have any information on this > couple? > > > Richard > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGW Archives Pension Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pensions/ > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > >

As Robert said "...discussion of the Jones family is still warm.." I also would like to pose a question about this family. The Jones family is one that I have done very little research on. I do know there were two Richard Jones who died in Halifax Co with the latest one dying in 1798 or so. A Caty or Kitty Jones, d/o of this particular Richard Jones married Richard Hamblet of Halifax Co [and later Caswell Co NC]. There was also a Mary Hamblett who married Henry Jones of Prince Edward Co in 1770. Thomas Hamblett witnessed the wedding of Mary and Henry. Do any of you Jones researchers have any information on this couple? Richard

Fellow researchers, While the discussion of the Jones family is warm, does anyone have reference to a John STEWART b. abt. 1730, perhaps of Amelia Co., having married a Rachel JONES b. abt. 1732 of Lunenburg Co? Rachel may have been the daughter of Thomas JONES and Amey PARHAM. John and Rachel STEWART may have had a son Nathaniel by 1754. Can anyone shed light on this long-standing void in my family history? Thank you, Robert

Janice wrote: "...my great great grandmother, Elizabeth Griggs Eanes c.1828-c.1893. She told her granddaughters that she was stolen as a child. One branch of the family says she was stolen from England; our branch says Ireland. This story has greatly puzzled us, especially because of her date of birth. Could this be true of an earlier ancestor?" Hi, Ms. Janice. Your tale is very interesting!! While I cannot speak to other than general principles, such might help a bit. Money could be made by procurers of people since the earliest days of the American colonies. Grabbing up "street urchins" and other homeless folks of any age (and even by outright kidnapping), as well as rounding up criminals and other social outcasts, from everywhere in the British Isles, and transporting those people across the oceans, was a means by which to supply labor to Canada, Australia, and all other colonies of Great Britain, including these colonies and later states. Not only the procurers and agents were paid for that service, but also, of course, upon delivery here and to the other colonies, the ship owners were paid for their loads of people. In the early days here, the agents of those ships' masters/owners often either wholsaled such cargo or went about the countryside peddling their human wares to whoever needed help. Then too, large landowners in need of such labor very often made known their needs to such procurers who, for profit, filled that request on their next voyage to here. Britain was not the only source; others occasionally were shipped from Europe. Paul

Hi Paul, Bob & all, That is right. I am directly descended from Arthur Allen anad his wife, Alice Tucker through their daughter, Joan Allen who married to Dr. Robert Williamson. Thank you all for discussing this. God bless, Beth suntanr2@worldnet.att.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <martee@citlink.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: Bacon's > I am wrong and Bob Jordan is correct; it was > not Jordan, but was Arthur Allen who owned, > built, and lived in Bacon's Castle in Surry. > Sorry 'bout that; thanks Bob. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Jordan" <jorbob@webtv.net> > To: "Paul" <martee@citlink.net> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: Bacon's > > > | Actually, Arthur Jordan did not build > Bacon's Castle. He lived on the > | SE side of Sunken Marsh and was brother of > George Jordan, one of the > | Judges in Surry Co. and VA Att. Gen. in > 1670. I have all of the deeds > | for the area on the east side of Suken > Marsh and along Pipsico Bay to > | Swann's Point. This includes John Flood, > George Jordan, Henry Browne, > | and Thomas Swann. Please keep up the good > advice you have given lately. > | > | Bob Jordan > | jorbob@webtv.net > | > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Digital Maps Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/ > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Paul, You mentioned some indentured servants had been taken up from the streets as children. There is a story about my great great grandmother, Elizabeth Griggs Eanes c.1828-c.1893. She told her granddaughters that she was stolen as a child. One branch of the family says she was stolen from England; our branch says Ireland. This story has greatly puzzled us, especially because of her date of birth. Could this be true of an earlier ancestor? Lately I began to wonder if this had anything to do with the Clearances is Scotland since she said that she was adopted when she landed here by the William D. Griggs family of Pittsylvania Co. I believe the Griggs family was part of Clan Gregor which was banned by law and fleeing Scotland in a steady stream for a number of years. William D. Griggs wife, Martha C??? was born in NC according to the 1850 Pittsylvania Census, so I think William may have come from a port city in NC. I have heard that many Scot-Irish in VA came up from NC. If anyone has any light to shed on ths story or guide my to other sources for information and research, my family and I will be extremely grateful. Janice Branch Fox

Margaret, as usual, is correct; indentured servants who had completed their term of service were known as "redemptioners." Paul

I am wrong and Bob Jordan is correct; it was not Jordan, but was Arthur Allen who owned, built, and lived in Bacon's Castle in Surry. Sorry 'bout that; thanks Bob. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jordan" <jorbob@webtv.net> To: "Paul" <martee@citlink.net> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Bacon's | Actually, Arthur Jordan did not build Bacon's Castle. He lived on the | SE side of Sunken Marsh and was brother of George Jordan, one of the | Judges in Surry Co. and VA Att. Gen. in 1670. I have all of the deeds | for the area on the east side of Suken Marsh and along Pipsico Bay to | Swann's Point. This includes John Flood, George Jordan, Henry Browne, | and Thomas Swann. Please keep up the good advice you have given lately. | | Bob Jordan | jorbob@webtv.net |

If an | indentured servant was transported at the expense of another and then served | his contracted time, would he be considered manumitted?? If not, what term | would that have been? According to John Fiske's Historical Writings, Old Virginia and Her Neighbours, I find this: "A considerable proportion of the indented (Note: He does not call them Indentured)white servants were poor but honest persons who sold themselves into slavery for a brief term to defray the cost of the voyage from England. The ship-owner received from the planter the passage money in the shape of tobacco, and in exchange he handed over the passenger to be the planter's servant until the debt was wiped out. Indented servants of this class were known as "redemptioners" and many of them were eminently industrious and of excellent character. Such redemptioners came in large numbers to Virginia, Maryland, and the middle colonies, and much more rarely to New England, where the demand for any kind of servile labour was but small." Perhaps the word for these folks who have worked off their debt is redemptioners. Margaret |