I found a very interesting notice and article in the Alexandria VA Gazette, March 15, 1880...A public announcement that two state senators, C.T. SMITH (of Nelson Co) and J. T. STOVALL (of Henry Co), had apparently "made up" following what sounds like a rather noisy exchange in on the floor of the state Senate in Richmond. It also looks like friends or possibly lawyers got involved to facilitate the amicable adjustment of differences. I don't believe that today's conflicts in that august chamber result in subsequent public announcements that all is well....but I could be wrong, yet again. Does anyone have any idea whether this sort of public statement was common back then? If so, for what period of time would that have been the case? Also, what faction would have been considered "readjusters" in the phrase below: "republicans and some readjusters"? Below you will find the brief statement and an article that it looks like is taken from the "Rich. Commonwealth", and I am not sure exactly what that was. It could be a newspaper (though I looked around and found none) or the byline of the Gazette's correspondent in Richmond. I went back to the date of the encounter, March 9, and looked at the editions of the paper for the next few days but did not find any more coverage, so I don't know what the "Henry resolutions" referred to below were about. Being as how 1880 was an election year, I would imagine there was alot of "dodging" of votes, just there is now...Again, some things never change. Best Regards, Janet Hunter -- Step-Cousin to all (including the John Stovall below) -- and bona fide cousin to many -- descendants of Bartholomew Stovall and Anne Burton Stovall, as (a) a descendant of John Saunders, Anne's second husband, and likely guardian of some of her younger children (according to one of the Stovall books); and (b) via several Stovall marriages to siblings of my direct ancestors. >From the Alexandria Gazette, March 15, 1880 The Smith-Stovall Affair. To the Public: All matters of difference growing out of the discussions in the Senate chamber on the evening of the 9th instant between Hons. C. T. Smith and J. T. Stovall have been amicably and honorably adjusted. J. D. PATTON for C. T. Smith Wm. E. BOISEAU, for J. T. Stovall. We assent to the above statement C. T. Smith J. T. Stovall Richmond, March 13, 1850. __________ It has been known for several days since the adjournment of the Legislature, the 9th instant, that a correspondence has been going on between the two senators above named in regard to ofsive [sic] language used by Senator John T. Stovall, of Henry, in reply to a charge made in debate by Senator C. T. Smith, of Nelson, that Senators Fulkerson, French, Paul, Riddleberger, Stovall, of Henry, and Wood, had "dodged" a vote on the Henry resolutions, which threw the Senate in its expiring hours into such excited convulsions and caused such a flutter with the republicans and some readjusters. By the voluntary intercession of friends the aforesaid correspondence has been withdrawn, and the affair, we are glad to say, terminated as above shown. Senator Riddleberger, who was occupying the floor when he gave Mr. Smith leave to read the names of senators who had not voted on said resolutions and to comment thereon, wrote Mr. Smith the next day, in reply, in the following manly words: "At no time did I feel any bad blood in the matter or intend any offence to you, and was highly amused at the whole performance." Neither did either of the other five senators included in the said charge take offence at such a common charge except Mr. Stovall, of Henry. The explanation for such unwarrantable conduct on his part is, that on the desks by him there HAD BEEN (in italics) three "whiskey cocktails." Men of his own party, and personal friends, admitted that he was clearly in the wrong throughout, and the President of the Senate so ruled. His coarse allusions to Senator Smith, of Nelson, were unprovoked. The conduct and bearing of Senator Smith, manly and gentle as usual, was in striking contrast with the unparliamentary, vulgar rantings of the TOO-SPIRITED (in italics) senator from Henry, who undertook to display courage when no insult was offered or intended, and when such inexcusable conduct was against the dignity of the Senate, to which he was forced to apologize for initiating a disgraceful scene. All sides sympathized with Senator Smith in such a trying ordeal. Intoxicating liquors and intoxicated men should not be tolerated in any legislative body.--RICH. COMMONWEALTH. (in italics)

Looking for information on Harriet Badger who married R.Furt 5/19/1814. She is shown in a land sell with my GGreatgrandfather William Haines Badger who was born in Petersburg, Va in 1827. Harriet could possible be an Aunt to William. Some other possible family members I would like to find are; Mary Ann Badger who married John DeJarnette 1810 Edwin H. Badger who married Anne McCullock 1827 Joseph Badger who married Nancy Shepherd 1786 Joseph Badger who married Alvina C. Newman 1822 Thanks so much for any help, Ruby Badger Pruitt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

Hello! Does anyone know of the ancestors of Thomas H. Baldwin, b. 1835 in Buckingham County, Virginia. He married America Fore, b. 1836 in Appomattox County, Virginia, on Sept 5, 1860 in Appomattox County, Virginia. Also was wondering if Thomas H. Baldwin served during the Civil War. They had the following children: Sarah W. Baldwin, b. 1861 Martha C. Baldwin b. 1862 Charles Edward Baldwin b. Jan 31, 1864, Appomattox Co., VA Bettie B. Baldwin b. 1866 John Rueben Baldwin b. 1867 in Charlotte Co., VA Robert C. Bladwin, b. 1869 Neal Baldwin b. 1871 in Appomattox Co., VA. John Rueben Baldwin married Laura Matthews Dickerson on Jan 20, 1894 in Charlotte County, Virginia and had the following children: Ruby Estelle Baldwin, b. May 27, 1898 in Charlotte County, VA, d. Jan 7, 1995 in Richmond, VA. She married Frank Scott Deaner. Sue Baldwin Jessie Baldwin Allie Louise Baldwin Morton Baldwin Thomas Baldwin Paisley Baldwin Wilson Baldwin Bernard Baldwin if anyone has any information concerning ancestors of these Baldwins (or the years that John Rueben's & Laura Matthews Baldwin's were born, please reply. thanks so much! Sincerely... Dolores Aldred Treadway Richmond, Virginia dolores@cavtel.net

Dear List: As mentioned earlier, I am compiling research notes from this month and one of the names I made notes on was ROYSTER in Mecklenburg County, VA. This was not a research topic but it came up during the course of the research. Here are the few notes I made on this surname: 1. Will of Susannah ROYSTER, dated 22 SEP 1835, proved 16 NOV 1835. Recorded in Mecklenburg Co., VA, Will Book 14, p. 23. Witnessed by R. H. Walker, George T. Tarwater, Alexander Gould. Executor William H. [Guenant?]. Names: Son Miles HALL. $1.00 (m. Susannah Royster abond dated 4 May 1806) Son Bannister HALL, $1.00 (no marriage record found for him) Daughter Martha BOTTS wife of John Cox, dec'd, $1.00 (Martha B. hall m. John Cox, Jr. on 14 JUL 1803, Mecklenburg Co., VA) Son Charles M. ROYSTER, $1.00 (m. Elizabeth Burrows bond dated 14 NOV 1803) Son George ROYSTER, $1.00 (m. Susannah Hall bond dateed 7 NOV 1790, William Marshall, security) Daughter Elizabeth M. AVERY wife of Brown Avery (mb. dated 27 JAN 1810, Miles Hall security) 2. OTHER NOTES Elizabeth DRAPER m. Joseph ROYSTER, bond dated 12 DEC 1791, m. 27 DEC 1791 by James Read; security to marriage bond was Holman RICE Frances DRAPER m. Henry ROYSTER bond dated 8 NOV 1790, sec. Joseph Royster I will follow up with some JONES family data soon. Craig Kilby

While tracking the day-by-day events in the sex scandal of Senator Benjamin Harvey Hill of GA in spring 1880 (accuser is kicked out of Senate Gallery, THE baby in arms, while Hill's fellow Senators question whether he has the wherewithall to possibly be guilty..good story), I came across the following column, which I thought might be of interest...along the lines of "nothing ever really changes". Best Regards, Janet Baugh Hunter..descendant of most likely illegitimate son of Hugh Lawson White Hill of TN, first cousin of Benj Harvey Hill, and a Congressman himself...again in the "nothing ever really changes" department. (Alexandria (VA) Gazette, p. 2, March 19, 1880. "Among the petitions introduced in the Senate today was that of Susan B. Anthony, praying for the removal of the political disabilities resting upon her by reason of her being named Susan instead of George). FARMERS WIVES Directly from microfilm of Alexandria Gazette, page 2, March 25, 1880. (no copyright involved.) It is no wonder that farmers wives breakdown so early in life.Working late at nights, after a day of continuous toil, is one of the main causes. One woman tels me that she never sews a stitch until the rest of the family are abed, then she runs the sewing machine until almost midnight. She says, "What a blessing this machine is to me," but I do not quite agree with her, for she is so tired when she does retire that she cannot rest. She is only 38 years old, yet she looks to be 50. Her husband is as much in the fault as she is, if he could only be brought to see it. He begins in the morning by keeping breakfast waiting till every possible thing is done outside, no matter how long she must wait, working over the hot stove to keep things just as he likes them. Next, he must have every boy and girl on the place out helping him to get ready for his days work; meanwhile the house work stands still while mamma cares for baby. He is very particular to request the dinner should be ready at 12 oclock, when he knows that he never gets ready for it before one. And so it goes. With washing, ironing, baking, cooking, putting things to rights and carng for children, gets no time to sew, and as for reading, that is out of the question save a little while of a Sunday, and then the farmer generally monopolizes the solitary weekly. Under no consideration will the farmer quit his work before sundown, and that brings the milking and most of the "chores" after dark. Of course supper waits. After that late, unwholesome supper, the farmer sits awhile, tired and sleepy, and consequently stupid, and by the time tea things are washed and put away he is ready to retire. Now, the poor woman takes up her nightly task, and works out the hours which should be spent in sleep. I have no patience with the woman who does so, or with the man who would allow it. THE WATCHMAN

About the John Lanthrop's sons and daughters, one did marry a Ledbetter. The Ledbetters owned land on Second Swamp, just south of Petersburg, where the Lanthrops and the Phillipses lived. I believe Edward Stratton married another of the Lanthrop daughters, who are named in that early 1700s Lanthrop will, which is in Benjamin Weisiger's first book on Prince George Co. In later (early 1800s) Prince George County records, John Phillips is named as a witness or administrator on some of the Lanthrop documents. He is the descendant of the "original" John Phillips who owned the land on Second Swamp in 1711 and added to it in 1721. That is one of the facts that helped to convince me that Isabel Lanthrop had married Thomas Phillips sometime before May 1726. More later. Mary Jane Phillips-Matz

Hello, I picked up the BadTrans.A virus/Trojan this morning from a lister on the VAWBTSVETS-L@rootsweb.com list i emailed the lister and warned him Hope nobody else opened the attachment like i did. Oh Well Live and Learn the hard way. Actually im glad i caught it as i learned quite a bit about them and how to get rid of them. William Hendricks Patrick Co. Va. >From: Nancy Wilson <brockden@bellatlantic.net> >To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: that creek - problem >Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 06:50:13 -0400 > >The was from the Luneburg list - not Southside. but still beware!! > >Nancy Wilson wrote: > > > I got a msg from someone re this e-mail address waf6718@email.msn.com > > The msg said "take a look to the attachment" that's all. The >attachment - of > > course, I didn't look at the name till now - was me nude. > > > > I have reported this to Rootsweb.com > > > > Did any of you get the same msg?? > > > > -- > > Nancy Wilson > > brockden@bellatlantic.net > > http://people.atl.mediaone.net/bigo2000/ > > (Dixon Genealogy website) > >-- >Nancy Wilson >brockden@bellatlantic.net >http://people.atl.mediaone.net/bigo2000/ >(Dixon Genealogy website) > > > >==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb Archives Census Project >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

If there are any descendants of these people out there, you may be interested to know the house that sits between their burial site and the road, 334 Dillons Fork Road, Fieldale, Virginia, is for sale. I visited the burial ground yesterday and saw a modern tombstone had been erected for this couple at some point. The site is mostly in periwinkle and in generally abandoned condition. Truman Adkins Fieldale, Henry County, Virginia

I got the same message on the St. Louis Metro list--but it was a file I could not open (MAC user)....and someone else on that list got the same thing. It was a different sender, however, than one cited on the Lunenburg list. I guess the lesson is NEVER open an attached file from someone you don't know (and sometimes from someone you do know until you ask first what it is, if you aren't expecting it or has a strange name or extension). Craig Kilby

The was from the Luneburg list - not Southside. but still beware!! Nancy Wilson wrote: > I got a msg from someone re this e-mail address waf6718@email.msn.com > The msg said "take a look to the attachment" that's all. The attachment - of > course, I didn't look at the name till now - was me nude. > > I have reported this to Rootsweb.com > > Did any of you get the same msg?? > > -- > Nancy Wilson > brockden@bellatlantic.net > http://people.atl.mediaone.net/bigo2000/ > (Dixon Genealogy website) -- Nancy Wilson brockden@bellatlantic.net http://people.atl.mediaone.net/bigo2000/ (Dixon Genealogy website)

I got a msg from someone re this e-mail address waf6718@email.msn.com The msg said "take a look to the attachment" that's all. The attachment - of course, I didn't look at the name till now - was me nude. I have reported this to Rootsweb.com Did any of you get the same msg?? -- Nancy Wilson brockden@bellatlantic.net http://people.atl.mediaone.net/bigo2000/ (Dixon Genealogy website)

William... thanks so much for the link that shows Thomas H. Baldwin as a Civil War soldier!! i appreciate you searching for this very much!!! hope to find out more. have a nice day!!! Sincerely.... dolores aldred treadway Richmond, VA Wm. Hendricks wrote: > Delores, You got very lucky. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pensions/civilwar/va/b.htm. > > >From: Dolores Treadway <dolores@cavtel.net> > >To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] BALDWIN > >Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 22:02:54 -0400 > > > >Hello! > >Does anyone know of the ancestors of Thomas H. Baldwin, b. 1835 in > >Buckingham County, Virginia. He married America Fore, b. 1836 in > >Appomattox County, Virginia, on Sept 5, 1860 in Appomattox County, > >Virginia. Also was wondering if Thomas H. Baldwin served during the > >Civil War. > > > >They had the following children: > >Sarah W. Baldwin, b. 1861 > >Martha C. Baldwin b. 1862 > >Charles Edward Baldwin b. Jan 31, 1864, Appomattox Co., VA > >Bettie B. Baldwin b. 1866 > >John Rueben Baldwin b. 1867 in Charlotte Co., VA > >Robert C. Bladwin, b. 1869 > >Neal Baldwin b. 1871 in Appomattox Co., VA. > > > >John Rueben Baldwin married Laura Matthews Dickerson on Jan 20, 1894 in > >Charlotte County, Virginia and had the following children: > >Ruby Estelle Baldwin, b. May 27, 1898 in Charlotte County, VA, d. Jan > >7, 1995 in Richmond, VA. She married Frank Scott Deaner. > >Sue Baldwin > >Jessie Baldwin > >Allie Louise Baldwin > >Morton Baldwin > >Thomas Baldwin > >Paisley Baldwin > >Wilson Baldwin > >Bernard Baldwin > > > >if anyone has any information concerning ancestors of these Baldwins (or > > > >the years that John Rueben's & Laura Matthews Baldwin's were born, > >please reply. thanks so much! > > > >Sincerely... > >Dolores Aldred Treadway > >Richmond, Virginia > >dolores@cavtel.net > > > > > > > > > >==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > >Hosted by Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > >============================== > >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > >your heritage! > >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Delores, You got very lucky. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pensions/civilwar/va/b.htm. >From: Dolores Treadway <dolores@cavtel.net> >To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] BALDWIN >Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 22:02:54 -0400 > >Hello! >Does anyone know of the ancestors of Thomas H. Baldwin, b. 1835 in >Buckingham County, Virginia. He married America Fore, b. 1836 in >Appomattox County, Virginia, on Sept 5, 1860 in Appomattox County, >Virginia. Also was wondering if Thomas H. Baldwin served during the >Civil War. > >They had the following children: >Sarah W. Baldwin, b. 1861 >Martha C. Baldwin b. 1862 >Charles Edward Baldwin b. Jan 31, 1864, Appomattox Co., VA >Bettie B. Baldwin b. 1866 >John Rueben Baldwin b. 1867 in Charlotte Co., VA >Robert C. Bladwin, b. 1869 >Neal Baldwin b. 1871 in Appomattox Co., VA. > >John Rueben Baldwin married Laura Matthews Dickerson on Jan 20, 1894 in >Charlotte County, Virginia and had the following children: >Ruby Estelle Baldwin, b. May 27, 1898 in Charlotte County, VA, d. Jan >7, 1995 in Richmond, VA. She married Frank Scott Deaner. >Sue Baldwin >Jessie Baldwin >Allie Louise Baldwin >Morton Baldwin >Thomas Baldwin >Paisley Baldwin >Wilson Baldwin >Bernard Baldwin > >if anyone has any information concerning ancestors of these Baldwins (or > >the years that John Rueben's & Laura Matthews Baldwin's were born, >please reply. thanks so much! > >Sincerely... >Dolores Aldred Treadway >Richmond, Virginia >dolores@cavtel.net > > > > >==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== >Hosted by Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com > > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hello! Does anyone know of the ancestors of Thomas H. Baldwin, b. 1835 in Buckingham County, Virginia. He married America Fore, b. 1836 in Appomattox County, Virginia, on Sept 5, 1860 in Appomattox County, Virginia. Also was wondering if Thomas H. Baldwin served during the Civil War. They had the following children: Sarah W. Baldwin, b. 1861 Martha C. Baldwin b. 1862 Charles Edward Baldwin b. Jan 31, 1864, Appomattox Co., VA Bettie B. Baldwin b. 1866 John Rueben Baldwin b. 1867 in Charlotte Co., VA Robert C. Bladwin, b. 1869 Neal Baldwin b. 1871 in Appomattox Co., VA. John Rueben Baldwin married Laura Matthews Dickerson on Jan 20, 1894 in Charlotte County, Virginia and had the following children: Ruby Estelle Baldwin, b. May 27, 1898 in Charlotte County, VA, d. Jan 7, 1995 in Richmond, VA. She married Frank Scott Deaner. Sue Baldwin Jessie Baldwin Allie Louise Baldwin Morton Baldwin Thomas Baldwin Paisley Baldwin Wilson Baldwin Bernard Baldwin if anyone has any information concerning ancestors of these Baldwins (or the years that John Rueben's & Laura Matthews Baldwin's were born, please reply. thanks so much! Sincerely... Dolores Aldred Treadway Richmond, Virginia dolores@cavtel.net

Response below. > I had recently posted some information on two Paynes who had settled in the > 1750's in what was then Orange County, NC, at the time my John Satterfield > moved there. This Robert and John Payne established an ordinary with my John > Satterfield in 1775 after Caswell was set off from Orange County. The > community of Paynes Tavern still exists today, which is on the southeastern > side of Person County, which was a part of Caswell in those days. Family > lore promoted the idea that these men were related to Dolly Payne Madison, > but I have not seen a document to verify that. The Satterfields and the > Paynes often witnessed documents for each other, and I have always wondered > if their relationship was just business. I descend from this John Payne. I found mention of him in old family papers that were kept by my gr-gr-aunt in the mid-late 1800's. I have no idea what her source was or how reliable her information was. But for whatever it's worth..... Her notes state that he was from England and a cousin of the Earl of Granville who promised him land if he'd come to America with "his" daughters and a Mr Jones. I don't know who the "his" was referring to. According to Person County Heritage, John Payne's wife was Susanna Satterwhite whom he married 2/11/1769 in Granville Co. Their daughter Anne Payne m Jesse Carter Jr d 1815 Caswell Co. Their son John Payne Carter m 1821 Cornelia Ann Murphey, daughter of Judge Archibald DeBow Murphey. They were the grandparents of my gr-gr-aunt who kept these notes. A Susan Satterwhite was also the first wife of Jesse Carter Sr and the mother of Jesse Carter Jr who m Anne Payne. This from a book by Joseph Miller about the descendants of Capt Thomas Carter. I have never found anything to explain any kinship between Susanna Satterwhite and Susan Satterwhite. I don't have any information concerning the parents of either. I would certainly suggest checking whatever records are available to try to verify these connections. I have seen many books with errors and can't guarantee that this information is accurate since this is not a family that I've tried to document myself.

Hello Everyone, I thought you would all enjoy a description of various events, contests, etc. at a fair in 1737 in Hanover Co, apparently on some of Wm Byrd's land (what acreage wasn't his?? :-)). This appeared on the rootsweb Croley (Crowley) list. FYI, to Saunders researchers, John Hyde Saunders, Sr., will proven 1768 in Cumberland Co VA, has a fiddle listed in his inventory. Best Regards, Janet Hunter Posted on: CROLEY Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/c/r/CROLEY/queries/10312 Surname: ------------------------- >From the book "Old Virginia and Her Neighbors" and the chapter "Society in the Old Dominion." "An interesting newspaper notice, in the year 1737, shows that some of the innocent open-air sports of medieval England still survived: 'We have advice from Hanover County, that on St. Andrew's Day there are to be Horse Races and several other Diversions, for the entertainment of the Gentlemen and Ladies, at the Old Field, near Captain John Bickerton's, in that county (if permitted by the Hon. Wm. Byrd, Esquire, Proprietor of said land), the substance of which is as follows, viz.: It is proposed that 20 Horses or Mares do run round a three miles' course for a prize of five pounds.' 'That a Hat of the value of 20s be cudgelled for, and that after the first challenge made the Drums are to beat every Quarter of an hour for three challenges round the Ring, and none to play with their Left hand.' 'That a violin be played for by 20 Fiddlers; no person to have the liberty of playing unless he bring a fiddle with him. After the prize is won they are all to play together, and each a different tune, and to be treated by the company.' 'That 12 Boys of 12 years of age do run 112 yards for a Hat of the cost of 12 shillings.' 'That a Quire of ballads be sung for by a number of Songsters, all of them to have liquor sufficient to clear their Wind Pipes.' 'That a pair of Silver Buckles be wrestled for by a number of brisk young men.' 'That a pair of handsome shoes be danced for.' 'That a pair of handsome silk Stockings of one Pistole value be given to the handsomest young country maid that appears in the Field. With many other Whimsical and Comical Diversions too numerous to mention.'" The book further states, "The part played by violins in this quaint programme reminds us that fiddling was an accomplishment highly esteemed in the Old Dominion. As an accompaniment for dancing it was very useful in the home parties on the plantations. The philosophic Thomas Jefferson, as a dead shot with the rifle, a skilful horseman, and a clever violinist, was a typical son of Virginia. As boys learned to play the violin, and sometimes the violoncello, girls were taught to play the virginal, which was an ancestral form of the piano." The book quoted, Old Virginia and Her Neighbors by John Fiske was copyrighted in 1897 and published by Houghton Mifflin Company and the Riverside Press Cambridge.

Sally and other Payne Researchers: Don't forget the online book, "THE JOSEPH AND PHOEBE PAYNE FAMILY of BEDFORD COUNTY VIRGINIA" by Jerald "Jerry" Wilson, which can be found here: http://w3.one.net/~evaughan/vaughan/wilson.htm There is an index. I saw a Brent, but not the one in the message. FYI, I don't have any direct Payne lines, but lots of collaterals (about whom I know next to nothing, so can't help you). I do know that many over in Bedford/Franklin/Henry/Pittsylvania Cos with Paynes have found it helpful. Best Regards, Janet Hunter -- P.S. Sally I didn't realize you belonged to those Greene Co Paynes.

A random mention of The Paynes of Goochland sent me on a search of the 'net for information. I found a site, URL: http://www.cissiep.com/forest.htm#MERRYMAN%20PAYNE%20AND%20CATHERINE%20BRENT,% 20VIRGINIA and tried to contact the person who had posted some information about a particular PAYNE connection. Since the "demon" returned the mail, I thought this might be a good place to post my correction, so here goes: Within the context of the Merryman PAYNE/Catherine BRENT family, the following listing is incorrect: 6e11. William Payne born 1837 Married Syrene Neilson. The William PAYNE who married Serena NELSON (dau of William NELSON), is a son of Joseph PAYNE b. abt 1803 in North Carolina. Joseph had one other known son - my great-great-grandfather, James O. PAYNE, b. abt 1836 (William's older brother). James and William settled in Greene Co, TN, by 1860. After many years in TN, William and most of his family moved to Arkansas. William is buried in Arkansas, having died in Oklahoma while visiting one of his daughters in 1921. If you should run across any origins for Joseph PAYNE, b. abt 1803 in North Carolina (first provable info in the Yancey Co, NC, 1850 census), I would be most appreciative if you would share whatever you may find. Joseph has been my ultimate stone wall -- defying all efforts to find a record solidly connecting him to any other PAYNE line. Sally TWEED BAUGHN SallyBaughn@aol.com

Hello Hdanw and list, I had recently posted some information on two Paynes who had settled in the 1750's in what was then Orange County, NC, at the time my John Satterfield moved there. This Robert and John Payne established an ordinary with my John Satterfield in 1775 after Caswell was set off from Orange County. The community of Paynes Tavern still exists today, which is on the southeastern side of Person County, which was a part of Caswell in those days. Family lore promoted the idea that these men were related to Dolly Payne Madison, but I have not seen a document to verify that. The Satterfields and the Paynes often witnessed documents for each other, and I have always wondered if their relationship was just business. BTW, Richard Simpson, Jr. brother to Mary Ann Simpson Harris, married first Henrietta Williams, daughter of Col. John Williams, Revolutionary War "Minute Man". Perhaps this will provide a clue as to the Williams lineage. My ancestor, William Swift, purchased the Tyra and Mary Simpson Swift plantation, from his son-in-law, Tyra Harris, Jr. when his parents died. Best regards, John Fox Winston Salem, NC In a message dated 4/30/01 2:38:13 PM, Hdanw@aol.com writes: << Are any of you super-sleuths able to help me untangle the ancestors of these persons whose names appear below in bold? Marmaduke Williams is found later in Caswell Co., NC (not to be confused with Duke Williams, a probable cousin). Also, is this information correct? The brief bio of Marmaduke Williams gives his great-grandparents but does not reveal his parentage. Does anyone know who is the father of Marmaduke Williams? And who are the parents of Duke Williams of Caswell Co.? AGNESS HARRIS NEE PAYNE. According to a long-ago query, 1896, in VIRGINIA MAGAZINE OF HISTORY AND BIOGRAPHY, v. 3, concerning the Williams family, Hon. Marmaduke Williams (see Wheeler's HISTORY OF NORTH CAROLINA, PART II, p. 78), "a great-grandson of the emigrant above [John Williams I and wife Mary]" married Mrs. Agnes Harris nee Payne, the widow of Robert Harris (son of Tyra Harris and Mary Ann Simpson ). She was a cousin of Mrs. Dolly Payne Madison. They had, among other children, one named Madison Williams and one named Dolly Payne Williams (the writer's grandmother). Can any one give exact relationship to Mrs. Madison, names of Agnes (Payne) Williams' parents, and sources for a full account of the Payne family?" /s/ Descendant." Supposition is that this query was submitted by Thomas McAdory Owen, of Alabama State Archives, who was conducting much research of the Williams family during this time period. Later research of Family Archive CD-ROM Genealogies of Virginia Families, Vol. 4, He-S, "The Payne Family of Goochland" gives this information about Agnes: Agnes Payne (daughter of Robert) m. 1st in 1795 to Robert Harris (marriage bond Pittsylvania Co. Feburary 2, 1795) and secondly Dec 25, 1798 Marmaduke Williams of North Carolina. The undersigned has a fair amount of information about Tyree/Tyra Harris of Caswell Co., NC (formerly of Orange Co., NC and of Louisa Co., VA), son of Major Robert Harris of colonial Louisa Co., VA and about the Caswell Co. parents of his second wife, Mary Ann Simpson, which I will share. The first wife of Tyree Harris was allegedly a Chapman. Has anyone information on Ms. ... Chapman Harris? Hoping for some positive answers from you super-sleuths! E.W.Wallace descendant of several Caswell Co. NC families particularly Henry Williams and wife Elizabeth ...

Cara: A number of George Washington's kin are buried at Highgate Plantation Cemetery, in Gloucester Co. (Va.) Highgate is referred to as the Home of the Washington's. Mildred Warner Reede, of Warner Hall, married Lawrence Washington, eldest son of Col. John Washington, the immigrant in 1691. Within a few years, she was widowed with 3 children, John Augustine and Mildred. John, the eldest, married Catharine Whiting of Gloucester and made their home at Highgate, on the Piankatank River. Augustine made his home in Westmoreland Co. and as his second wife married Mary Ball who were the parents of Gen. George Washington. Mildred married first to John Lewis (d. 1718), son of Capt. Edward Lewis; second to Roger Gregory and third to Lewis Willis. Jane Goodsell, CC Gloucester Co., VaGenWeb