Just because one has ones picture on a bull does not make them a rider of them certainly not for transportation it was cute in those days to pose on a bull for a picture or next to the worlds largest turnip (fake )or in a buggy pulled by a chicken (trick photography )I have pictures of my uncles in jail taken at an amusement park about 1930 the morale of the story is don't believe every thing you see caviness@conninc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: wawbrey <wawbrey@msn.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Courting/1700s Traffic Rules -- Tickets for speeding > People did ride bulls, not just in rodeo's. I have a picture postcard of my > great uncle Ed Sparks, taken around 1912, sitting on a bull. Don't know how > mean it was, but it sure looked mellow in the picture. Kathy Awbrey in > Pleasant Hill, OR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "G. Lee Hearl" <glh@naxs.com> > To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 7:11 PM > Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Courting/1700s Traffic Rules -- Tickets for > speeding > > > > >>Hello Everyone, > > It is difficult to say how much I really enjoyed all of the wonderful > > stories > > about travelling and courting and exaggerating -- 400 lb cows,etc. << > > > > Janet,. > > I was not exaggerating! My GGrandfather could pick up a 400 lb yearling.. > > By the way, a full grown beef cow or steer weighs 800 to 1200 lbs, he > > couldn't lift those tho! My father knew his grandfather well and told me > > these stories were true.. > > One time GGrandpa rode with some one to Smith Creek, about five miles from > > home.. While down there, he bought a big bull and it was kinda' mean.. > > Someone said, "You've got a long way to lead that bull home". GGrandpa > said, > > I ain't gonna lead him, I'm gonna ride him home." He climbed on the bull > and > > Rode him Home! True Story....my Dad was there when he came riding home.. > > > > About the old traffic laws, many towns had "speed limits" and many men > were > > brought into county courts for going too fast through town, or riding > > through town while drunk! Check the old court records the cases are > > there...... > > One time my grandpa was in Abingdon and the town constable told him he was > > going to arrest him for being drunk.. Grandpa was sitting in his buggy and > > when the constable told him this, grandpa reached over and grabbed his > ear, > > gave it a hard twist and told him to drop his gun into the buggy.. Then he > > proceeded slowly out of town, the constable walking alongside the buggy.. > > When he was well outside the constables jurisdiction, he turned loose of > his > > ear and drove on, throwing the gun out in the road a good distance away.. > > I have other stories.....All True!?.. I Think.......? > > G. Lee Hearl > > Authentic Appalachian Storyteller > > Abingdon, Va. > > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > > VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > Hosted by Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Excuse me; it "...did NOT take rocket science or magic...." Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Drake" <martee@citlink.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Courting/1700s Traffic Rules -- Tickets for speeding > > Amen, Pat; humor in the form of people astride unusual animals has > been popular since the earliest days oif photography and surely was > commonplace by the last quarter of the 19th century. > > As to laws having to do with speeding and recklessness with horses, > mules, buggies and carriages or sleighs, such regulations have been > common since mediaeval times, especially in the cities, here, in the > British Isles, and in Europe, as well. As now, it did take rocket > science or magic to figure out that large animals could smush folks > walking the street. Paul > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Amen, Pat; humor in the form of people astride unusual animals has been popular since the earliest days oif photography and surely was commonplace by the last quarter of the 19th century. As to laws having to do with speeding and recklessness with horses, mules, buggies and carriages or sleighs, such regulations have been common since mediaeval times, especially in the cities, here, in the British Isles, and in Europe, as well. As now, it did take rocket science or magic to figure out that large animals could smush folks walking the street. Paul

Craig: As to your query about Lucretia Meldrum, I have forwarded this posting along to a Jackson cousin who has done quite extensive Jackson research and I think may be able to answer your question about Lucretia. I at one time knew but will have to look back through my paperwork to refresh my mind. Karen (Jackson) Goudelock Shalimar, FL

That part of her will which says "to be raised out of the estate of LAMPTON POWERS" should have read "SAMPSON POWERS". My mistake. Craig

Will of Waddy J. Jackson, Mecklenburg Co., VA, Will Book 19, p. 274 Dated 30 April 1857, proved January Court, 1858 Executors: Wife Martha, son Robert Wintesses: Robert G. Chappel, William S. Eubank Legatees: Son Charles, under age 21 and no children Son William, $2000 to be invested and he to have the income therefrom, and upon his death the $2000 to be divided among sons James, Robert, Green, and Charles to each 1/5, and remaining 1/5 to be divided amont the children born or to be born of my daughter Carolne DAVIS. NOTE: Louisa C JACKSON m. ----- DAVIS on 29 NOV 1845, consent by father, Waddy J. Jackson. Sureity by Robert Chappell.

Estate account and division of estate of Green Jackson, Mecklenburg Co., VA Will Book 14, pp. 92-95. Waddy J. Jackson, administrator, dated 21 July 1836, recorded 15 August 1836. Estate divided to widow ANN JACKSON, 1/3. Remaining portion divided equally to children JAMES F. JACKSON, SAMUEL D. JACKSON, STERLING N. JACKSON and MARY M. JACKSON. Note: Green Jackson the son of Cavil Jackson and Martha Powers

Will of Martha Jackson (widow of Cavil Jackson). Mecklenburg Co., VA Will Book 11, p. 85. Dated 26 May 1826, proved 17 July 1826 Executor: Friend, John Hutcherson, Jr. Witnesses: Samuel Simmons, Jno. J. Moore Legatees: 1. Two sons Archer and Cavil O. Jackson after the death of my mother, Martha Powers, to Archer $150 and to Cavil O., $250, to be raised out of the estate of Lampton Powers, deceased. 2. Balance of estate divided equally between all my children viz: WADDY J. JACKSON, REBECCA T. HOGAN, SAMUEL F. JACKSON, GREEN JACKSON, ARCHER JACKSON and CAVIL O. JACKSON Notes: Waddy J. Jackson m. Martha G. Crook 5 FEB 1821, consent by Martha Crook, mother on bond dated 15 JAN 1821. James Smith, minister Rebecca T. Jackson m. William G. Hogan, 29 DEC 1825, bond dated 19 DEC 1825, Waddy J. Jackson security. Stephen JONES, minister.

We must be VERY careful in speculating about lawsuits. Our litigious nature has waxed and waned many times over the centuries. However we file far more lwasuits per capita now than ever before. The reasons are quite simple and readily understandable to genealogists. A) we now have insurance companies backing literally every person and activity, hence we are not nearly as outraged now by being sued as we were in all earlier times; B) the churches, especially in the South, through the "processioning" processes and handling of the poor solved a VERY large percentage of land boundary and relief disputes; C) we have a vast body of tax and commerce law (because of the existence now of banks and lending institutions, particularly in reposessions and commercial paper, those increasing litigation many times over; D) we now have social security and other workers' compensation provisions that render suing the "government" easy and seemingly harmlessly; and finally, we are not nearly as dependant upon the good will of our neighbors and our communities for our day-to-day happiness and content, and so are more likely to care not a whit about WHO we sue. Having been one for 40 years, I would rather not speak to the inclinations and dispositions of our lawyers :) :) LOL Paul

Depends on how far you go back in the va records In Charles City Court orders about 1680 you will find the case of a gentlemen who was about to use his horse to visit a sick daughter when the sherriff appeared and confiscated the beast so that he could pursue an escaped slave. The gentlemen and the sherriff discussed the issue and when the gentlemen drew his sword to punctuate the conversation his wife deflected the blow thus saving him the embarrassment of explaining a "leaky" sherriff. In the consequential court case the jury ruled no harm no foul thus we have no fault insurance today. Patrick J. Anderson http://members.aol.com/patander73/home.html 9654 Baltimore Avenue, Laurel, Maryland 20723

Sending this to the list in the hope Ron Jones will see it as mail to him is returned. Maybe trouble with his server as I have emailed him many times. Need to answer his question. Yes, do submit the will as I may never do it. Dorothy

Hi Folks, So many of the stories which have been shared recently have nudged me to share some of the stories of my father who was born in 1900. He of course lived in a time when the horse was the luxury form of travel for his time and place. He was born in Person County, North Carolina, and talked often of his young days and the degree of effort he made to partake of the social life of his community. He did not want to incur the ire of his parents when he wanted to attend a dance, or "frolic" which he called them, during the weekdays, so he would climb out of his upstairs bedroom, "shinney" down an old apple tree at the corner of the porch roof, and walk ten miles to attend a dance and to court the young ladies in attendance, and return home just in time to crawl into bed for his parents to call up to him to get up to do his morning chores. He had also experienced the more uncoventional mode of travel which could be called, bovine power, when he was given the duty of transporting the family milk cow to their new home when he was eight years of age. Rather than leading the cow, he decided that the best way for him was to climb on the back of the cow and ride her all the ten miles or more to the new family abode. Desire and necessity created all kinds of solutions. Best regards, John Fox Winston Salem, NC

Unfortunately, I don't know where a copy can be found to beg, borrow or steal. An on-line cousin through Jeremiah White (and his unnamed daughter who married Braxton Mabry) is her great (etc.) grandmother. Said cousin sent me about 25 pages a year or so ago but had no title page. Shortly after, my hard drive broke and I lost her e-mail address. She wrote this information on the 1st page she sent me: THE JOURNAL AND LETTERS OF FRANCIS ASBURY, Volume (illegible), The Journal 1771-1775, Elmer T. Clark, Editor-in-Chief. Epworth Press, London/ Abingdon Press, Nashville, 1958.

Bishop Francis Asbury was a Methodist circuit rider in the 1800's notorious for riding from Maine to Louisiana by horseback. He was such an influential clergyman, that his writings were made required holdings in all libraries of the United States by Congress. You might try any major repository of Methodist universities or libraries associated with seminaries of the denomination of which, there are many across the country. Of course, your local library should have some of his writings as mentioned. I know of him from The Asbury Trail named after his Western North Carollina circuits. W. Sterling Schermerhorn, psidiver@mindspring.com EUZELIA@aol.com wrote: > From: <A HREF="mailto:Brobpat">Brobpat</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:EUZELIA">EUZELIA</A> > > > Could you please tell me where I might obtain a copy of the JOURNALS AND > LETTERS OF FRANCIS ASBURY....either for purchase or (preferably) on > interlibrary loan? > > Bob > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

I've done some research of families in New England, and they were always suing each other. Slander seemed to be one of the favorite things to sue for, or it was just that my ancestors had big mouths. Kathy Awbrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Kilby" <cashkilby@earthlink.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Courting/1700s Traffic Rules -- Tickets forspeeding > on 5/16/01 5:10 PM, KDale60909@aol.com at KDale60909@aol.com wrote: > > > They certainly were ligious, weren't they? I often smile to myself when I > > hear someone talk about how Americans are "becoming" litigious. I suppose the > > major difference is that our colonial ancestors were busily suing each > > other--while our peers are suing large corporations--though neighbors are by > > no means exempt!>> > > I think it was their monthly entertainment, only they didn't have radio and > television. It was the ultimate Reality show. > > > > But some of the old court cases merely confuse me. So a man sold a piece of > > land left to his son by a grandfather before the son was of age---why was the > > man's NEIGHBOR suing him over that? And yes, it did occur to me that the > > neighbor bringing the suit might have>> > > Son selling part of neighbor's property? Boundary dispute? > > These could be other reasons. > > CMK > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Digital Maps Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/ > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

People did ride bulls, not just in rodeo's. I have a picture postcard of my great uncle Ed Sparks, taken around 1912, sitting on a bull. Don't know how mean it was, but it sure looked mellow in the picture. Kathy Awbrey in Pleasant Hill, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "G. Lee Hearl" <glh@naxs.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Courting/1700s Traffic Rules -- Tickets for speeding > >>Hello Everyone, > It is difficult to say how much I really enjoyed all of the wonderful > stories > about travelling and courting and exaggerating -- 400 lb cows,etc. << > > Janet,. > I was not exaggerating! My GGrandfather could pick up a 400 lb yearling.. > By the way, a full grown beef cow or steer weighs 800 to 1200 lbs, he > couldn't lift those tho! My father knew his grandfather well and told me > these stories were true.. > One time GGrandpa rode with some one to Smith Creek, about five miles from > home.. While down there, he bought a big bull and it was kinda' mean.. > Someone said, "You've got a long way to lead that bull home". GGrandpa said, > I ain't gonna lead him, I'm gonna ride him home." He climbed on the bull and > Rode him Home! True Story....my Dad was there when he came riding home.. > > About the old traffic laws, many towns had "speed limits" and many men were > brought into county courts for going too fast through town, or riding > through town while drunk! Check the old court records the cases are > there...... > One time my grandpa was in Abingdon and the town constable told him he was > going to arrest him for being drunk.. Grandpa was sitting in his buggy and > when the constable told him this, grandpa reached over and grabbed his ear, > gave it a hard twist and told him to drop his gun into the buggy.. Then he > proceeded slowly out of town, the constable walking alongside the buggy.. > When he was well outside the constables jurisdiction, he turned loose of his > ear and drove on, throwing the gun out in the road a good distance away.. > I have other stories.....All True!?.. I Think.......? > G. Lee Hearl > Authentic Appalachian Storyteller > Abingdon, Va. > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

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>>Hello Everyone, It is difficult to say how much I really enjoyed all of the wonderful stories about travelling and courting and exaggerating -- 400 lb cows,etc. << Janet,. I was not exaggerating! My GGrandfather could pick up a 400 lb yearling.. By the way, a full grown beef cow or steer weighs 800 to 1200 lbs, he couldn't lift those tho! My father knew his grandfather well and told me these stories were true.. One time GGrandpa rode with some one to Smith Creek, about five miles from home.. While down there, he bought a big bull and it was kinda' mean.. Someone said, "You've got a long way to lead that bull home". GGrandpa said, I ain't gonna lead him, I'm gonna ride him home." He climbed on the bull and Rode him Home! True Story....my Dad was there when he came riding home.. About the old traffic laws, many towns had "speed limits" and many men were brought into county courts for going too fast through town, or riding through town while drunk! Check the old court records the cases are there...... One time my grandpa was in Abingdon and the town constable told him he was going to arrest him for being drunk.. Grandpa was sitting in his buggy and when the constable told him this, grandpa reached over and grabbed his ear, gave it a hard twist and told him to drop his gun into the buggy.. Then he proceeded slowly out of town, the constable walking alongside the buggy.. When he was well outside the constables jurisdiction, he turned loose of his ear and drove on, throwing the gun out in the road a good distance away.. I have other stories.....All True!?.. I Think.......? G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

Fellow Listers: I've sent this for uploading to Ron Jones as well, but thought I'd cut and paste it while it was fresh: WILL OF CAVIL JACKSON (Son of Matthew Jackson & Elizabeth Avary) Mecklenburg Co., VA Will Book 8, p. 489 Dated 25 September 1818, proved 16 November 1818 In the Name of God Amen, I CAVIL JACKSON of Mecklenburg County, VA being of perfect sound mind & memory to make and ordain this my last will and testament in manner and form following this 25th day of September eighteen hundred and eighteen. Item. It is my will & desire that there shall be no [xxxxx] of my estate sold after my present crop will pay all just claims against my estate such as can be best [xxxxx] agreeable to the judgment of my executors on a credit & the balance of my estate both real and personal be kept together for the benefit of raising & educating my children until my son WADDY J. JACKSON arrives at the age of twenty one years & then for a division to take place in manner as follows: Item: I lend unto my beloved wife MARTHA JACKSON the tract of land I now live on, during her natural life or widowhood in case she should marry it is my will and desire that she should have only one third part of the land she now lives on together with one third part of the personal and perishable property belonging to my estate. Item. I give unto my son WADDY JACKSON & SAMUEL JACKSON the tract of land I purchased of THOMAS ABERNATHY containing 250 acres to be equally divided [between] them two at the time of division together with an equal part of the personal and perishable property due my estate at the time of division. Item. It is is my will and desire that in the case of Martha Jackson marriage or at her death the tract of land I now live on as above mentioned is to be equally divided amongst my then surviving children as follows: REBECKAH JACKSON, GREEN JACKSON, ARCHER JACKSON and CAVIL JACKSON, an equal division as above mentioned at the death of my wife amongst my then surviving children & as at time of division when WADDY JACKSON becomes of age I constitute and appoint JOHN [Jellome?] well my now Waddy escrs of this my last will and testament revoking all heretofore made by me. /s/ Cavil Jackson Witnesses: James Jones, Joseph Lett, Pennington Holmes Proved by oath of James Jones, Joseph Lett and Pennington Holmes on 16 November 1818. John [Jellams?] executor thereto. Thomas Taylor and Robert Bridgforth, and Howel Harper his securities.