I bite my tongue !!!!!!!!!!! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Kilby" <cashkilby@earthlink.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Baptism > on 6/1/01 2:10 PM, Paul Drake at martee@citlink.net wrote: > > > Just as I and many of us will not, Margaret will not be baited, if - > > IF - that was the intention. If not, why not contact her by private > > email? > > Paul and Margaret. > > You two remind me of little hand puppets. One always speaking for the > other. > > Margaret says: "I will NOT talk about religion..." and then goes on to talk > about religion. > > Paul says " Margaret will NOT be baited...." then goes on to attack. > > Both of you, please, get over it. > > Craig Kilby > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > Hosted by Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

on 6/1/01 2:10 PM, Paul Drake at martee@citlink.net wrote: > Just as I and many of us will not, Margaret will not be baited, if - > IF - that was the intention. If not, why not contact her by private > email? Paul and Margaret. You two remind me of little hand puppets. One always speaking for the other. Margaret says: "I will NOT talk about religion..." and then goes on to talk about religion. Paul says " Margaret will NOT be baited...." then goes on to attack. Both of you, please, get over it. Craig Kilby

Catholics do not believe that Baptism is symbolic. Baptism is one of the Seven Sacraments of the Catholic Church. The rite of baptism of children is when the child is presented by parents and godparents who represent the wider Christian community and who are to help the parents in their task of raising the child in the faith. THROUGHOUT the ceremony, THE PARENTS SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CHILD and themselves, renewing their own baptismal vows. To answer the original question about "sponsor"......By the third century, the Christian community developed a more complex way of bringing new members to baptism and faith. It was one that offered previous training in the faith and in the new way of living. When people were interested in becoming Christians, they were presented to the leaders of the community by a friend or "sponsor." Before they would be baptized, however, they would spend two or three years learning about their new faith. They would study the scriptures, pray with the community, perform acts of service and charity and attend the Eucharist, leaving after the readings and the sermon. It continues...... Margaret Driskill

My ancestors were Catholic (one built a Catholic Church in Washington, DC in early 1800), Presbyterian, Methodists, Baptist, and Episcopalian. I was raised a Methodist; however, in Sherman, Tx in the fifties, we were very ecumenical. One of my very best friends was a Nazarene; another was Jewish. I attended Mass at Christmas and New Year's. My Catholic friends attended the Methodist Youth fellowship, because it's was the hottest place in town. I looked up "sacrament" in the dictionary. "1: a formal religious act that is sacred as a sign or symbol of a spiritual reality. " I thought this info might be helpful to some of you. Also, baptism, as defined by the dictionary, can be either Christian or non-Christian. It is a purification. Hope this helps.

OK! Did I miss something! Or are you people really acting like grade school students. This is so unbelievable. And if you want to post and tell someone else to post privately, why didn't you?! Rhonda ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Drake <martee@citlink.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Baptism > Just as I and many of us will not, Margaret will not be baited, if - > IF - that was the intention. If not, why not contact her by private > email? > ----- Original Message ----- > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > Hosted by Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Methodists, Episcopalians, and Catholics all "christen" their babies symbolically as a parental promise that the child will be raised in and grow up in the faith (or any faith) until he/she reaches the age of reason and joins the church as a full-fledged member.

Hello: I hope the following will be of some help. 17 Sept 1765 Martha Thompson mar. William Davis of Brunswick Co. VA Sec: Wells Thompson - Mecklenburg Marriages 1766-1771 Son John Davis born and possibly a daughter Elizabeth. c1771 William Davis dies 29 Oct 1772 Mrs. Martha Davis mar. Charles Floyd Brunswick Co Marriages 17 April 1798 will of John Davis. names mother Martha Floyd. Children: James Batte Davis and Martha Davis. brothers: Well and William Floyd. sisters Amy and Elizabeth. Executors: William Walker & James Batte Wit: Morris Floyd, Allen Lanier & John Bradner *James Batte refused to qualify and a John Davis named administrator. Brunswick Co. VA Marriages (CD 229) William Floyd mar 10 Nov 1800 Patsey Harmond Wells Floyd mar 7 Dec 1801 Elizabeth Harrison Amy Floyd mar 18 Dec 1798 Sherrod Morris I did not find an Elizabeth Davis or Elizabeth Floyd that fit the sister of John Davis. I did not find a marriage for John Davis possibly to a Batte. John Davis children may have been: Martha Davis who mar 9 May 1807 James Malone and James Davis who mar 16 Jan 1801 Lucy Walker. This would mean that both the mother, Martha, by her second marriage to Charles Floyd and her son John Davis were both raising children about the same age level. This is not unusual occurrence in families then and now. Gloria Padach Laguna Beach.

Just as I and many of us will not, Margaret will not be baited, if - IF - that was the intention. If not, why not contact her by private email? ----- Original Message -----

Could you please rephrase this?!? Rhonda > Dear Southsiders, > > I will not enter into a discussion about religion, however, Catholics do NOT > Baptize babies because they will 'burn in hell' if they die without Baptism. > > Margaret >

Hello: There is an elusive Thompson family in the Lunenburg and Mecklenburg counties of VA in the area of the Meherrin River and Bluestone Creek, They are Herman/Harmon, Wells and John Thompson. I am in hopes that someone else is working on them. Lunenburg Co. Deed Book 9: 10 Nov 1762 Robert & Mary Bailey of Brunswick Co. VA, sold to Wells Thompson of Amelia Co. VA, 650 acres on the should side of the Meherrin River. Mecklenburg Co. Marriages 1765 - 1810 17 Sept 1765: William Davis of Brunswick Co. and Martha Thompson Sec: Wells Thompson. I have traced this family and found that Martha had but one son by her husband William Davis. John Davis, of Brunswick Co. whose will is dated 17 Apr 1798. No Wife is named. The will gives John's children as: James Batte Davis and Martha Davis, The will names his mother Martha Floyd. Brother's Wells and William Floyd and sisters as Amy and Elizabeth (no last names). It would seem that Wells Thompson who was the security on Martha's bond was likely her brother. Mecklenburg Wills 1765-1799 Wells Thompson died leaving a will dated 23 Jan 1768 : wife Amy, whole of estate: Children mentioned but not named. Mecklenburg Deed Book 6 1779- 1786 11 November 1783: Amy Thompson notify the court about her husbands wishes for the distribution of this property to their children. Again children not named. This petition occurs 14 years and 11 months after the death of Wells Thompson. At that time she state her children are 'grownup and capable of acting for themselves'. This leads me to believe that the children were very young when their father died. There is an Amey B. Thompson living on the east and west side of Mizes Road: 16E listed in the 1815 Virginia Landowners Directory. It is possible that the Herman/Harmon Thompson who is found in Mecklenburg on the Branches of Bluestone Creek, and associated to "The Thompson House" located about 1/4 mile east of the Finneywood Depot, may be one of the children. Also the John and Sarah (Thompson) Thompson whose 50 acres were bounded by Thomas Chamberland, John Robertson and the Lottery Land, thence to Sheffield's Branch and the fork of Finneywood Road, may also be of this family. The 1815 VA Landowners Directory: Herman Thompson, estate: Bluestone; 17W. I would be most happy to share any information I have gathered on Wells, John and Herman/Harmon Thompson. Gloria Padach Laguna Beach, CA

Dear Southsiders, I will not enter into a discussion about religion, however, Catholics do NOT Baptize babies because they will 'burn in hell' if they die without Baptism. Margaret

Jeff, The Virginia Southside is a 'dead' publication. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Smith" <jeffm.smith@verizon.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Southside Virginian publication > Greetings to all - > > Can anyone tell me if the publication "Southside Virginian" is still > being produced? > > I have tried subscribing twice. I have heard nothing and my checks > remain uncashed. > > I obtained the following address from one of the USGenWeb sites, > Pittsylvania Co, VA, I think: > > Southside Virginian > P.O. Box 3684 > Drawer VGS96 > Richmond, VA 23235-6784 > > > Thanks in advance, > > Jeff Smith > Fairfax, VA > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Yes, Episcopalians baptize infants and they have godparents/sponsors. My infant grandson was recently baptized as is our custom, and I doubt that there was any thought by the parents that if they didn't have this done that he would burn in hell. (I doubt if many of my ancestors thought about the threat either.) At this ceremony the parents and godparents are bound in a covenant relationship by taking the baptismal vows on behalf of the child...UNTIL the child is able to take them for himself in a rite called Confirmation. Mignon

Let's put an end to ALL of this and get back to genealogy. This thread doesn't need more fuel from anyone else. Harvey Researching the following families: Bottoms/Bottom/Longbottom, Keas, Stribling/Stripling, Chambers, Hodges, Golden, Sweeney, Lovelace, Welch, Pettit, Cagle and others.

Greetings to all - Can anyone tell me if the publication "Southside Virginian" is still being produced? I have tried subscribing twice. I have heard nothing and my checks remain uncashed. I obtained the following address from one of the USGenWeb sites, Pittsylvania Co, VA, I think: Southside Virginian P.O. Box 3684 Drawer VGS96 Richmond, VA 23235-6784 Thanks in advance, Jeff Smith Fairfax, VA

I would like to make a trip to the Keysville/Charlotte Courthouse - Charlotte county area this summer to look for my husband's Virginia ancestors: HANKINS, FLIPPEN, SUDBERRY, STAPLES, RUDD, DEJARNETTE. We would be traveling and staying in a 38' RV. Those of you who live in the area, where can we camp/park for a couple days? Besides visiting the courthouse we also would be visiting the Ash Camp Baptist Church and cemetery. Thanks to you all for your help. Barbara Obaker Allegheny County, PA Researching: PA: Vogele-Frye-Coughenour-Berkey-Seger-Bennett-Claycomb-Buell-McKiernan-Beatty-Bitner-Oats-Ayers-Klites-Woodward-Shaffer-Zimmerman-Bishop-Dibert-Ripple-Berkeybile-Whipkey-Penrod-Dunmire VA: Hankins-Flippin-DeJarnette-Sudberry-Staples MD: Obeke-Goodwin-Stegemuller-Knapp

on 5/31/01 5:18 PM, Cara Showers at cara@dcdesign.com wrote: > I was reading through a Bible transcription last night and about every other > person would have a list of sponsors after their name. Some sponsors > appeared after the baptism date and some just appeared after the person's > name or birth date. > > Please forgive my ignorance, but is this a catholic thing? I'm thinking it > might be, because of the age of the babies when they were baptised. I don't > know much about the denominations, but I believe the Catholics baptize > babies. Maybe other denominations do? I don't know. I'm no expert on religion, but most Protestant and Catholic religions baptize babies soon after birth, or at least a few years after birth. This would apply to the Anglican Church of England (official church of Virginia until the Revolution), Lutherans, Catholics. This was so the baby wouldn't burn in hell if it died in infancy. The Baptists and other fundamentalists hold that baptism should only be done when a person is of an age to understand what he/she is doing, and willingly undergo being saved. Therefore, it would not be unsual to see 'sponsors" (i.e., Godparents) in a family bible after the baptismal date of the baby/child. In Anglican records, I have noticed a conspicuous pattern of sponsors/Godparents, which is that if it is a boy baby, there are two male sponsors and one female. And the reverse for a girl baby. Further, the sponsors of, say, a boy, will be two males on the father's side, and one female on the mother's side, and again, vice verse for a girl. I use the Albemarle Parish Register as my source for this. I could well be wrong. Craig

As we have been talking off and on about the above captioned subject, the following appeared on a Shelton list (private), and though it is Tennessee I thought it would be of interest. The young boys in question are only five and eight years old. It states what they will be given at the end of their service, My Best Regards, Janet (Baugh) Hunter McMinn Co TN Minute book 1841-49, p 454 Tuesday, 6th of June 1848 Court met pursuant to adjournment. Presented the Worshipful Wm McKaney, Tapley Gregory and Geo D. Wallice, Justices, ttc. Mrs. Mary Shelton widow of Samuel Shelton, dec'd, this day appeared in open court & consented that her two sons Samuel aged about 8 years and Wm. C. Shelton aged five years 26th June 1848 should be bound to Tapley Gregory. It is therefore considered of & ordered by the Court that the chairman of our county court find the said children Samuel & Wm. C. Shelton minor children of Samuel Shelton, deceased to Tapley Gregory untill [sic] they shall severally aim at the age of twenty one years; and that the said Gregory shall at the expiration of their term of service give each of them one horse beast, one saddle and bridle & two good suits of hom manufactured cloths [sic] and during their term of sevice give to each 18 months schooling.

Sure have and it is a Roman Catholic thing to baptize babies, also a Lutheran thing and I do not know of others, but maybe Episcopalian. The sponsors agree to see that the child is raised in the faith, if something happens to the parents at an early age of the child - until the child is old enough to be trained in the faith and be confirmed of its own freewill....taking its own vows at that time. mary margaret selig-trahan ----- Original Message ----- From: Cara Showers <cara@dcdesign.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Sponsors? > I was reading through a Bible transcription last night and about every other > person would have a list of sponsors after their name. Some sponsors > appeared after the baptism date and some just appeared after the person's > name or birth date. > > Please forgive my ignorance, but is this a catholic thing? I'm thinking it > might be, because of the age of the babies when they were baptised. I don't > know much about the denominations, but I believe the Catholics baptize > babies. Maybe other denominations do? I don't know. > > Just wondering if anyone's heard of Sponsors in a family Bible. > -- > Cara (Gregory) Showers > Anchorage, Alaska > cara@dcdesign.com > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Census Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

I was reading through a Bible transcription last night and about every other person would have a list of sponsors after their name. Some sponsors appeared after the baptism date and some just appeared after the person's name or birth date. Please forgive my ignorance, but is this a catholic thing? I'm thinking it might be, because of the age of the babies when they were baptised. I don't know much about the denominations, but I believe the Catholics baptize babies. Maybe other denominations do? I don't know. Just wondering if anyone's heard of Sponsors in a family Bible. -- Cara (Gregory) Showers Anchorage, Alaska cara@dcdesign.com