-------- Original Message -------- Subject: {not a subscriber} HAMNER ~ Albermarle County Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 10:57:44 -0700 From: "Hope C. Pees" <jouett@axs4u.net> Reply-To: "Hope C. Pees" <jouett@axs4u.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Noted the HAMNER message and although I did not find a Baskerville in my HAMNER file, would appreciate any information at all regarding the following HAMNER family. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hope Coslett Pees Seguin, Texas jouett@axs4u.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ First Generation ---------------------------------------- 1. Turner HAMNER. Born on December 27, 1752. Turner died on February 15, 1845, he was 92. Turner Hamner sells to Jeremiah Cleaveland on October 5, 1795 in consideration of 300 pounds "current money of Virginia" 270 acres of land "by patent lying and being in the County of Albemarle on both sides of the south fork of the hardware river." . . . "the right of dower of Elizabeth excepted," Turner Hamner not selling this right. Signed: Turner Hamner (L.D.) Ann Hamner (L.D.) _____________________________________________ OGLETHORPE COUNTY, GEORGIA REVOLUTIONARY SOLDIERS 1168, TURNER HAMNER, 2 draws 1169, WILLIAM HAMNER, 1 draw 1170, RICHARDSON HAM[ERN], 2 draws 1171, Winkfield HAMNER, 2 draws ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It is much harder to see today if you are looking at yesterday. Lord, help me to live and appreciate each moment as I am experiencing it, so that I am prepared more fully for the next moment.

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] BASKERVILLE York Co start over Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 10:44:56 -0700 From: jleehunt1@aol.com To: wawbrey@msn.com, va-southside-l@rootsweb.com In a message dated 6/2/01 1:32:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wawbrey@msn.com writes: << New stuff time. I have a James HAMNER, born 1719. Died 1808 in Mecklenburg, VA. He married Sarah ???. They named a son George Baskerville HAMNER. Maybe Sarah's last name was BASKERVILLE, but no proof. I know there are a lot of BASKERVILLE's in Mecklenburg Co and other counties close by, but cannot find a Sarah that would have been born between 1720 and 1750. Any help would be appreciated. Kathy Awbrey >> There are many Baskervylles in York Co VA records in the late 1600s. Since that is blessedly not a burned county, you might try looking there. They are associated with my Underhills and Hydes there at that time. A significant number of pre-1700 court records have been transcribed by a Mr. Dorman (I forget his whole name), including sad to say the defamation suit of my many g's grandparents Robert Hyde and Jane Underhill against a Joanne Delaney who apparently, according to several depositions, called Jane a whore, a bitch, chased her down on her horse on the way to church, threatened to slice her nose off to mark her, accused her of lying with her husband (well just about anybody for that matter) and her father-in-law, getting a potion from said father-in-law to get rid of a resulting child by father-in-law, etc., etc., All transcribed for our enjoyment!! FYI soon after the defamation case, which Robert & Jane won, got 500 lbs of tobacco (were asking for 10,000) Robert it seems beat Jane up and kicked her out of the house as there is a case between them soon after where a church warden takes up Jane's cause and Robert promises to let her back in the house, to see her children, and to leave her without molestation. Another example of just what you might get when you aren't dealing with a burned county. Best Regards, Janet Hunter

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: Where is this? Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 10:38:01 -0700 From: Jane Goodsell <goodsell@infi.net> To: "VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com" <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Thanks to all who answered my question on the location of Point of Rocks, Va. You all have been most helpful!!! Jane G.

Have you tried this site? http://www.geocities.com/heartland/fields/6202/ It has a lot of Hamner information Kathy Awbrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" <cityslic@ix.netcom.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] [Fwd: HAMNER ~ Albermarle County] > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: {not a subscriber} HAMNER ~ Albermarle County > Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 10:57:44 -0700 > From: "Hope C. Pees" <jouett@axs4u.net> > Reply-To: "Hope C. Pees" <jouett@axs4u.net> > To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Noted the HAMNER message and although I did not find a Baskerville in my > HAMNER file, would appreciate any information at all regarding the > following > HAMNER family. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Hope Coslett Pees > Seguin, Texas > jouett@axs4u.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > First Generation > ---------------------------------------- > 1. Turner HAMNER. Born on December 27, 1752. Turner died on February 15, > 1845, he was 92. > Turner Hamner sells to Jeremiah Cleaveland on October 5, 1795 in > consideration of 300 pounds "current money of Virginia" 270 acres of > land > "by patent lying and being in the County of Albemarle on both sides of > the > south fork of the hardware river." > . . . "the right of dower of Elizabeth excepted," Turner Hamner not > selling > this right. > Signed: Turner Hamner (L.D.) > Ann Hamner (L.D.) > _____________________________________________ > OGLETHORPE COUNTY, GEORGIA REVOLUTIONARY SOLDIERS > 1168, TURNER HAMNER, 2 draws > 1169, WILLIAM HAMNER, 1 draw > 1170, RICHARDSON HAM[ERN], 2 draws > 1171, Winkfield HAMNER, 2 draws > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > It is much harder to see today > if you are looking at yesterday. > Lord, help me to live and appreciate > each moment as I am experiencing it, > so that I am prepared more fully for > the next moment. > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Census Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: {not a subscriber} Nottoway Parish Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 10:10:06 -0700 From: "Paul Drake" <martee@citlink.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> CC: "Path" <patholland@hotmail.com> I have been asked where "Nottoway Chapel" was located. I need help here, however we do know that a chapel of that name was in place from prior to 1762 to early in the 20th century just west of "Drakes Crossroads" (present day S'hampton County Rds. #640 & #653). In addition, there appears to have been another so named in the "Upper Parish" of Nansemond County, that church in existence at an earlier time. ("Vestry Book Of Upper Parish, Nansemond County, pp. liv, 124, and Index generally). Anybody have something to add?

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: {not a subscriber} 1800s Poetic Will Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 09:42:56 -0700 From: jleehunt1@aol.com To: va-southside-l@rootsweb.com Hello Everyone, Maybe to take our minds off of our "late unpleasantness" on the list I am sending to you a British will that I received as I have a PML search for all posts with GAY in them (one of my surnames, originally Isle of Wight). Hope you all enjoy it. Janet (Baugh) Hunter Here 'tis.. ======== Source: GENBRIT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Poetic Will of John Hedges Readers of this newsgroup/digest may enjoy the will of an eighteenth century poet:- John Hedges Esq. This 5th day of May Being Airy and Gay To Hipp not enclined But of Vigorous mind And my Body in Health Ile dispose of my Wealth, And of all I'm to leave On this side of the Grave to someone or other I think to my Brother But because I foresaw That my Brethren in Law If I did not take Care Woud come in for a Share Which I noe ways intended Till their Manners were mended (And of that God knows there's no sign) I do therefore Enjoyn And do strictly command Witness my hand That nought I have got Be brought in Hotch Pott But I give and devize As much as in me lyes To the Son of my Mother Myn own Dear Brother To have and to hold All my Silver and Gold As the Affectionate Pledges Of his Brother John Hedges. Proved at Finchley, Middlesex 13 July, 1737.

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: {not a subscriber} SAMMONS and JONES (from Petersburg, Virginia to Godfrey, Georgia -- and thence!) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 09:03:27 -0700 From: "Hope C. Pees" <jouett@axs4u.net> Reply-To: "Hope C. Pees" <jouett@axs4u.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> References: <e1.158a1a86.284a2a4a@aol.com> Hoping that someone else is researching this particular family; I am "stumped" regarding parents of Martha "Patsy" Jones. Most willing (and anxious!) to share and exchange information. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hope Coslett Pees Seguin, Texas jouett@axs4u.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (1) 1 Richard SAMMONS ---------------------------------------- Birth Date: February 18, 1771 Birth Place: Petersburg, Dinwiddie County, Virginia Death Date: August 31, 1844, age: 73 Death Place: Godfrey, Putnam County, Georgia Father: John SAMMON Sr. (~1750-1812) Mother: Elizabeth "Betty" WALKER (~1750->1832) Spouse: Martha "Patsey" JONES Birth Date: January 2, 1776 Death Date: October 10, 1836, age: 60 Death Place: Putnam County, Georgia Children: Elizabeth "Betsey" (1795-) John (1797-1810) Ellis Walker (1799-1853) Henley Jones (1800-) Whitfield Tucker (1802-) (2) 1.1 Elizabeth "Betsey" SAMMONS ---------------------------------------- Birth Date: November 9, 1795 Spouse: Samuel (James?) HEARNE Birth Date: January 31, 1795 Birth Place: Hancock County, Georgia Death Date: April 27, 1830, age: 35 Death Place: Georgia Father: Jonathan HEARNE (1760-1827) Mother: Rhoda PARKER (1763-1823) Marr Date: November 2, 1819 Marr Place: Georgia Children: Ferdinand Laurance (1820-1883) Richard Sammons (1823-1844) Elmira Maria (1826-1861) Martha Ann (1828-1829) Christopher Columbus (1830-1888) (2) 1.2 John SAMMONS ---------------------------------------- Birth Date: October 6, 1797 Death Date: August 10, 1810, age: 12 (2) 1.3 Ellis Walker SAMMONS Sr. ---------------------------------------- Birth Date: April 20, 1799 Death Date: February 5, 1853, age: 53 Spouse: Emmaline SAWYER Birth Date: February 17, 1820 Birth Place: Putnam County, Georgia Death Date: September 18, 1898, age: 78 Death Place: Hearnville, Georgia Father: Johnson SAWYER Mother: (Sawyer, Johnson, Wife of) Marr Date: December 19, 1841 Marr Place: Putnam County, Georgia Children: Martha J. (1843-) Richard Johnson (1844-) John (1846-) Adam Jones (1848-1935) Ellis Walker (1850-1937) Charles Columbus (1852-) (2) 1.4 Henley Jones SAMMONS ---------------------------------------- Birth Date: June 15, 1800 Birth Place: Georgia Spouse: Temperance "Junkey" BAILEY Marr Date: July 25, 1821 Children: Martha J. (1822-) Mary Ann (1824-1828) (2) 1.5a Whitfield Tucker SAMMONS Sr.* ---------------------------------------- Birth Date: July 28, 1802 Birth Place: Georgia Death Place: Georgia Spouse: Elizabeth "Betsey" SKINNER Death Date: 1838 Marr Date: May 30, 1824 Marr Place: Georgia Children: John (1824-1865) Richard (1828-1886) Benjamin Franklin (1832-1890) William (1834-) Martha A. (1835-) Other Spouses Sophia WYNN (2) 1.5b Whitfield Tucker SAMMONS Sr.* (See above) ---------------------------------------- Spouse: Sophia WYNN Marr Date: May 16, 1838 Marr Place: Putnam County, Georgia Children: Frances (1839-) George N. (1841-) Sarah C. (1844-) Henley Jones (1846-) Peter (1849-) Whitfield Tucker (1851-) Other Spouses Elizabeth "Betsey" SKINNER ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Glory to him whose power, working in us, can do infinitely more than we can ask or imagine; glory be to him from generation to generation in the Church and in Christ Jesus for ever and ever. Amen. [Ephesians 3:20-21]

I've set this list on "moderate" for the next few days. When replying, please do so to the list and/or to the original sender, not hitting "reply", which will only send your message to me. Linda -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Districts Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 08:41:55 -0700 From: "Margaret Driskill" <mdriskill@worldnet.att.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Dear cousins, friends and fellow researchers, My great grandfather and his family lived in the Lewiston District of Lunenburg County, VA. In one Census he is listed as a farmer and another as a wheelwright. I know he owned land. I am curious about the various Districts that we encounter that are on the Census. Could someone familiar with the various Districts, such as Lewiston District, describe the demographics and the topography of each District if it would not be to much of a problem? Of course, I am especially interested in Lewiston, but it will assist my minds view of our ancestors home if we could view these characteristics about all the Districts. Thank you for your kind gift of time. Regards, Margaret Driskill mdriskill@att.net

Your right Craig, there is a Paul Drake on the Perry Mason show. I watch the reruns all the time.(When they air) Good show! Glad you pointed that out! Rhonda > MARGARET said all of these things. So turn your gas jets on the source of > the fire, not on me. And BTW, Paul Drake is fictional character from the > Perry Mason show. And the Paul Drake on this list has never practiced law > in the state of Virginia. ASK HIM. > > Craig

A quick note: Jesus said come to him as little children. That should be clear enough. Rhonda Discussion of Religion or Politics can lead to discord. And wasn't it a common practice(way back when) to bury unsaved(mostly children) individuals without right of sacrament? Curious! Rhonda > > I want to thank Mignon and Margaret for politely correcting the false > statement that Catholics and similar traditonal Christian Churches > believed that unbaptized babies would burn in Hell if they died in > infancy.

Please, let's all get back to genealogy discussions. Linda VA-SOUTHSIDE List Admin

I have noticed in life that it is the broader minded individuals that are very adept at rattling chains! Or cages! Most people seclude themselves in a narrow view for safety's sake. Rhonda ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Margaret Selig-Trahan <mmst@classicnet.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] 'Sponsors' in Bible > Please Paul - do not do this....I, for one have so enjoyed all of your > comments concerning various subjects on this list....Yours and Margaret's > comments are so helpful to so many of us that do not have the resources at > hand to further our search. > In all organizations, walks of life etc. there is always narrow minded > people...so please let's not let them "rattle our chains"....just use our > mouse to hit the delete button and they are out of here...... > Please re-subscribe----thank you. mary margaret selig-trahan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Margaret Driskill <mdriskill@worldnet.att.net> > To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 8:48 PM > Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] 'Sponsors' in Bible > > > > Well dear Southsiders, Craig Kilby has succeeded. > > > > Author, Lecturer, Attorney Paul Drake has unsubscribed from this LIST. > One can only take so much sarcasm. > > > > Margaret > > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > > VAGenWeb > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Census Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

New stuff time. I have a James HAMNER, born 1719. Died 1808 in Mecklenburg, VA. He married Sarah ???. They named a son George Baskerville HAMNER. Maybe Sarah's last name was BASKERVILLE, but no proof. I know there are a lot of BASKERVILLE's in Mecklenburg Co and other counties close by, but cannot find a Sarah that would have been born between 1720 and 1750. Any help would be appreciated. Kathy Awbrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Drake" <martee@citlink.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Baptism > I bite my tongue !!!!!!!!!!! Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Kilby" <cashkilby@earthlink.net> > To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Baptism > > > > on 6/1/01 2:10 PM, Paul Drake at martee@citlink.net wrote: > > > > > Just as I and many of us will not, Margaret will not be baited, > if - > > > IF - that was the intention. If not, why not contact her by > private > > > email? > > > > Paul and Margaret. > > > > You two remind me of little hand puppets. One always speaking > for the > > other. > > > > Margaret says: "I will NOT talk about religion..." and then goes > on to talk > > about religion. > > > > Paul says " Margaret will NOT be baited...." then goes on to > attack. > > > > Both of you, please, get over it. > > > > Craig Kilby > > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > > Hosted by Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

In a message dated 06/02/2001 12:29:09 AM Central Daylight Time, cashkilby@earthlink.net writes: > And the Paul Drake on this list has never practiced law > in the state of Virginia. It may come as a surprise to you, Craig, but there are other states out here and the last time I looked, we, too, had legal systems. Joyce

That is a shame! I can take all the sarcasm anyone has to dish out. What about the ones that enjoyed his company? Wish he would reconsider. Rhonda > What a loss to all of us!!!!!!!!! > > Margaret Driskill wrote: > > > Well dear Southsiders, Craig Kilby has succeeded. > > > > Author, Lecturer, Attorney Paul Drake has unsubscribed from this LIST. One can only take so much sarcasm. > > > > Margaret

I hope it has quieted down enough on here for me to ask a question. I think I have a good idea where this place may be, but need some clarification to settle my mind. <g> During the final days of the Civil War, my grgrandfather was shot in the back at "Five Forks" and his CW papers says he was admitted to "Point of Rocks, Va." hospital. The nearest place (to Five Forks) called Point of Rocks is designated as a "cliff" beyond the town of Hopewell (USGS Mapping Info). Am I on the right track to assume that there may have been a "field hospital" somewhere between Hopewell and this cliff referred to as Point of Rocks, Va.??? I haven't found any other place by this name other than a "bluff" above Winchester, which is not in this particular area. Any help greatly appreciated. Jane G.

For some reason, I bounced off this list and have not viewed the posts for the last week. Evidently there have been some problems and I will check them out and remove any offenders. I apologize to the subscribers for not being on top of the situation. This list is usually very helpful, with almost 1,000 subscribers, and calm. Wouldn't you know it would go crazy about the time I bounced off? :( Linda

Whenever anyone on the List makes a false statement about any topic, it is appropriate that they be politely corrected. I want to thank Mignon and Margaret for politely correcting the false statement that Catholics and similar traditonal Christian Churches believed that unbaptized babies would burn in Hell if they died in infancy. Religion is an important part of genealogical study because many of our ancestors came to this country to practice their religions more freely while they were pursuing new economic opportunities. We all want to learn who our ancestors were and what they stood for. When they are misrepresented, we naturally want to make corrections. We can all learn from these discussions. Now, lets move on and please let us keep our discussions polite. Janice Branch Fox

Hello List, I just recently rejoined this list as I found several voids in my research which needed some attention. My reason for returning was that I found such an intensity of interest in the history of the places and people who have lived and been a part of the life of southside Virgina and northern North Carolina. We have all benefited from each others' efforts, and we have shared in the contributions made to this list. Paul and Cash certainly represent many of us, in their concern for accuracy and thoroughness in genealogical and historical research. The early farmers who tossed their grains up to the wind to remove the chaft from the main kernels, should give us an example to follow when we pursue sharing ideas on this list. Take what is good, and let the rest pass on the wind, and move on with our work. Paul and Cash have both served us well, and hopefully will continue to do so, as many others have done on this list, through their deligent research, by the seat of their britches, in the archival halls, the clerk of court offices, and other repositories of genealogical and historical information, and have passed this effort along for many to share. My feelings are that we do not pit one person against another over petty issues, but remember what we are all about here, and support everyone for their contributions to this list, and to the establishment of as true a picture of our people and their history as we can. Please, let's get on with our good work. Best regards, John Fox Winston-Salem, NC

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