The following were located in Patrick, Henry and adjoining counties: William Lynch, born abt 1745 wife Rebecca? Looking for any information on ancestors or descendants of William and Rebecca. William Spencer born abt 1750. Would appreciate any information on his ancestry. Ezekial Abram Purdy b. 1784 married Sarah Spencer, dau of William Spencer. Have considerable descendant information on Ezekiel, but no ancestral info. Would share my information. Any information supplied would be much appreciated. Fred Williams.

Can anyone explain to me what happened here? Robert Bowen held land on the south side of the Meherrin River on the west side of Eagles Nest Creek (present NE Mecklenburg east of Smith Creek) prior to 1755 when the William Dobyns grant referred to "Bowing's" line. There was no grant for this land until 1768 when Drury Bowen and Robert Bowen were granted a patent with the exact same line described in the Dobyns patent. I am guessing they might have been sons of the earlier Robert Bowen, but perhaps both Robert Bowens were the same. In 1753 Robert Bowen mortgaged another piece of land (150 acres) farther up Eagles Nest Creek to Clement Read. The deed stated the land adjoined Edward Henry. There was no grant for that piece of Bowen land either. There was no grant for the Edward Henry land although it was mentioned several times in other patents. There was also mention in the early patents of Margaret Bagwell's land in the same area - but no patent for it. The same for William Wright's land. All of these folks seem to have held their land by the early 1750's - they were some of the earliest landholders on the south side of the river in what is now Mecklenburg Co. I've searched all the patents for this area thinking that maybe the land was granted to someone else and inherited or sold, but I can find no sign of that at all for any of them. In each case, they seem to have been the original owners of the property. What happened here? Did these people believe they held a patent and then find out later they didn't? That would seem to be the case with the Robert Bowen land since Robert and Drury Bowen were granted a patent for it years later in 1768. I know it often took years for patents to be granted, but more than 15 years? And no patent was ever granted for the 150 acres that was sold. Did these people apply for patents and then the paperwork was lost? Were patents granted but never properly recorded? Were some of the grant books lost? I understand that when Brunswick Co was formed, some of the early records (1720-1732) that were recorded in the Prince George Co books until the new county of Brunswick was organized were not copied into the Brunswick Co books as they should have been. There was an order in 1735 that 52 deeds be recorded, but apparently they never were. A Benjamin Boing and a few others that can be associated with this area were in the list, but not any of the names I was looking for. Could this be the explanation? But still, shouldn't there be grants for this land to somebody else? Weren't the grants recorded separately in the grant books?

In a message dated 6/19/01 8:52:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, martee@citlink.net writes: << It well could have been a friend; never, in the 900+ years of which I have knowledge, has a male relative been required as an administrator of any estate. . >> I'd go a bit further if the will is the ONLYlink...and add to Paul's post that it is probably friend and NEIGHBOR (OF..the deceased , his parents, his grandparents, etc)

> What happened here? Did these people believe they held a patent and then > find out later they didn't? ***Yes; Sometimes - BUT NOT OFTEN, because surveyors were appointed by the governors and were as qualified as could be. Patents sometiomes overlapped by reason of the surveying difficulties in the wilderness that then was unsettled VA. I know it often took years for patents to be granted, but > more than 15 years? *** 15 years is a stretch, however sometimes patentees died after the right to the land was earned, yet before the land was "improved" to a degree sufficient to qualify for the actual grant. > And no patent was ever granted for the 150 acres that > was sold. Did these people apply for patents and then the paperwork was > lost? **** While I am sure this happened, the Clerks and those in the governors' administrations who handled grant and land matters were VERY careful as a rule. **** Were patents granted but never properly recorded? Very rarely, but yes. Remember though that recording was an animal of thsi continent, and was THEN unknown in England (thus "deed boxes"), and I am sure that some very few recent immigrants paid but little attention to that requirement. > Were some of the grant books lost? ****Yes, but VERY, VERY few; they were of the utmost importance to our earliest colonists. I know of no VA county that does not know whether or not the patent/land records for their county were lost at some time. > > I understand that when Brunswick Co was formed, some of the early records > (1720-1732) that were recorded in the Prince George Co books until the new county of Brunswick was organized were not copied into the Brunswick Co > books as they should have been. There was an order in 1735 that 52 deeds be > recorded, but apparently they never were. **** Good info, Cookie, especially for those who are researching Brunswick. But still, shouldn't there be grants for this land to somebody else? ****Not if the grant had been issued after "improvement" and not recorded. Weren't the grants recorded separately in the grant > books? **** at the governors' level, when the land was an original grant, the answer is yes. At the local level, at first, yes, but soon such entries were recorded in the same fashion as were other conveyances and documents having to do land. >

Your "legal advice" question said "administrator" which, of course, means that the person whose estate it was died "intestate." Though you did not ask, remember that valid wills are "executed" - "testate" deaths - and these have NO administrator/administratrix. The deceased in a will can/could designate whoever he/she chose as executor, subject, of course, to the approval of the court.

Hello List Members, I need some legal advice. When a woman died (1835), and her husband predeceased her by a few weeks, did it have to be a male relative to administer her affairs or could it have been a friend? You can email me privately at mildredandirvin@home.com

It well could have been a friend; never, in the 900+ years of which I have knowledge, has a male relative been required as an administrator of any estate. . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Flinn" <mildredandirvin@home.com> > To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 7:11 AM > Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] LEGAL ADVICE > > > > > > Hello List Members, > > I need some legal advice. When a woman died (1835), and her > husband > > predeceased her by a few weeks, did it have to be a male relative > to > > administer her affairs or could it have been a friend? > > You can email me privately at mildredandirvin@home.com > > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > > VAGenWeb > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F1 > 1HB > > >

And it could be, as in my case, the husband of a daughter. I have many in-laws but not actual blood relatives. ----- Original Message ----- From: <jleehunt1@aol.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] LEGAL ADVICE > > In a message dated 6/19/01 8:52:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > martee@citlink.net writes: > > << It well could have been a friend; never, in the 900+ years of which > I have knowledge, has a male relative been required as an > administrator of any estate. . >> > > I'd go a bit further if the will is the ONLYlink...and add to Paul's post > that it is probably friend and NEIGHBOR (OF..the deceased , his parents, his > grandparents, etc) > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Census Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Janet, Members of my PACE line were friends, if not relatives, of the Sheltons in Pittsylvania Co. VA. While surfing the web a while back, I stumbled onto some Shelton history that goes back to the 1600's that may help you. Follow the four links below and you will find info on several family lines, including the Sheltons. If you have trouble finding it, let me know and I'll try another route. Jeff Smith. 1) VaGenWeb 2) Pittsylvania County 3) Pittsylvania Research 4) Research Transcripts of some Pittsylvania County Genealogists jleehunt1@aol.com wrote: > > Good Morning Everyone, > > Confession Time...About a month ago, my entire "Springhill" Waller line > (Stafford Co VA), collapsed when it became apparent that birth dates did not > fit the picture for my Mary Waller who married Crispen Robertson Shelton 1807 > in Pittsylvania Co to have been the granddaughter of George Waller & Anne > Winston Carr, via their son John Waller who married Mary Polly Cooper, > daughter of Thomas Cooper and Sarah Anthony. > > So now I am starting over from ground zero, surrounded by a plethora John > Wallers in Pittsylvania Co, and recently came across some old references to > Crispen Robertson Shelton's uncle Gabriel Shelton having married Mary Waller > Buford (widow likely), the daughter of a MAJOR WALLER (a Somerset Co, MD, > Chesapeake Waller name), who died in Nottoway Co 1793/4. The following > information on this Major Waller was provided by Jan Shelton Nixon and can be > found at this website http://members.xoom.com/janicekmc/ralphsr.htm: > > "The Will of Major Waller, written 23 Jan 1793, and probated 11 Dec 1794, in > Nottoway Co., VA names wife Elizabeth Waller, his daughters, Susannah Parham > (who married James Parham), MARY BUFORD, Elizabeth Ellis, Christianna > Bennett, Dicey Waller, and his sons John, William, Hampton [Chesapeake > Wallers have a Waller/Hampton marriage back in England], Garred, and Major > Waller. > An Order Book entry for the Nottoway County Court for 7 May 1796, names the > following litigants: > Susannah Parham > GABRIEL SHELTON and MARY his wife > William Ellis and Eliza his wife > Richard Bennett and Christianna his wife > John Waller > Garred Waller-Exors of Major Waller, dec'd. > VS > William Waller > Hampton Waller > Dicey Waller- Infants and orphans of Major Waller, dec'd."." > > Note: Gabriel Shelton married Mary Buford June 29, 1794 in Pittsylvania Co. > > This looks like as good a starting place for me as anywhere, since the > Sheltons preferred to marry their in-law's families & next door neighbors > whenever first and second cousins weren't available (as in my own case where > Crispen and Mary Waller Shelton's daughter Nancy Clark Shelton married her > second cousin Moses Hurt Shelton, who himself was the son of first cousins > Charles Coleman Shelton and Elizabeth Shelton). > > Are any of you familiar with this family? I tried unsuccessfully to find > them at Carol's [Help! :-)] Rootsweb World Connect site which appears to have > entered most of the linneage data from this family's basic reference: "The > Chesapeakers" by Charles S. Waller, Sr. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=seajae&id=I2786. > > Any thoughts are much appreciated. When my recent Waller debacle occurred (I > even visited the Springhill and Concord places in Stafford!), I told my > cousins I just knew we were going to end up as Chesapeakers! Yes, I realize > the ties go back to the same folks in England. > > My best regards, > Janet (Baugh) Hunter > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > Hosted by Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

Good Morning Everyone, Confession Time...About a month ago, my entire "Springhill" Waller line (Stafford Co VA), collapsed when it became apparent that birth dates did not fit the picture for my Mary Waller who married Crispen Robertson Shelton 1807 in Pittsylvania Co to have been the granddaughter of George Waller & Anne Winston Carr, via their son John Waller who married Mary Polly Cooper, daughter of Thomas Cooper and Sarah Anthony. So now I am starting over from ground zero, surrounded by a plethora John Wallers in Pittsylvania Co, and recently came across some old references to Crispen Robertson Shelton's uncle Gabriel Shelton having married Mary Waller Buford (widow likely), the daughter of a MAJOR WALLER (a Somerset Co, MD, Chesapeake Waller name), who died in Nottoway Co 1793/4. The following information on this Major Waller was provided by Jan Shelton Nixon and can be found at this website http://members.xoom.com/janicekmc/ralphsr.htm: "The Will of Major Waller, written 23 Jan 1793, and probated 11 Dec 1794, in Nottoway Co., VA names wife Elizabeth Waller, his daughters, Susannah Parham (who married James Parham), MARY BUFORD, Elizabeth Ellis, Christianna Bennett, Dicey Waller, and his sons John, William, Hampton [Chesapeake Wallers have a Waller/Hampton marriage back in England], Garred, and Major Waller. An Order Book entry for the Nottoway County Court for 7 May 1796, names the following litigants: Susannah Parham GABRIEL SHELTON and MARY his wife William Ellis and Eliza his wife Richard Bennett and Christianna his wife John Waller Garred Waller-Exors of Major Waller, dec'd. VS William Waller Hampton Waller Dicey Waller- Infants and orphans of Major Waller, dec'd."." Note: Gabriel Shelton married Mary Buford June 29, 1794 in Pittsylvania Co. This looks like as good a starting place for me as anywhere, since the Sheltons preferred to marry their in-law's families & next door neighbors whenever first and second cousins weren't available (as in my own case where Crispen and Mary Waller Shelton's daughter Nancy Clark Shelton married her second cousin Moses Hurt Shelton, who himself was the son of first cousins Charles Coleman Shelton and Elizabeth Shelton). Are any of you familiar with this family? I tried unsuccessfully to find them at Carol's [Help! :-)] Rootsweb World Connect site which appears to have entered most of the linneage data from this family's basic reference: "The Chesapeakers" by Charles S. Waller, Sr. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=seajae&id=I2786. Any thoughts are much appreciated. When my recent Waller debacle occurred (I even visited the Springhill and Concord places in Stafford!), I told my cousins I just knew we were going to end up as Chesapeakers! Yes, I realize the ties go back to the same folks in England. My best regards, Janet (Baugh) Hunter

In a message dated 6/17/01 2:09:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mmst@classicnet.net writes: << I tried to bring the inventory up, but could not....is there something special I need to read this document. thank you.....mary margaret selig-trahan >> I apologize for the problems with the link to Mr. Maynard's impressive estates. You can also get there by going to the archives search engine for states here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm You need to do two things: (a) click on the little circle for VA (otherwise you'll end up looking at Alaska's offerings); and (b) enter as search terms: Capt. Henry Maynard Estate, 1726 . It should come right up! Good Luck. Janet

To: <NCWATAUG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: [NCWATAUG] GREAT LINK! > Check this out! > > http://jctcuzins.com/census/census.html >

To: <NCWATAUG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 11:25 AM Subject: [NCWATAUG] WATAUGA PETITION > CHECK OUT THIS INFO: > > > http://www.tngenweb.org/pre1796/17760822.html > > > > > ==== NCWATAUG Mailing List ==== > Surname Helper Index of Watauga surnames > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?gc=/USA/NC/Watauga >

I tried to bring the inventory up, but could not....is there something special I need to read this document. thank you.....mary margaret selig-trahan ----- Original Message ----- From: <jleehunt1@aol.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Different Bedstead. What is a Hyde Bedstead? > Well, since my brain has obviously shut down and "hyde" and "hide" makes > sense, then in the same inventory there is a "To 1 old Fiels Bedstead and > cover 7/6" Nothing is coming to me for Fiels. > > FYI, the Maynard inventory is is quite long and interesting. It is here: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/va+index+558395948109+ F > > Thanks Paul and Ann, and in advance to any of the rest of you. > > Janet > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Census Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Hi everyone, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > What is a Hyde Bedstead? > Is it possible that they meant an animal hide being used as the hung support, rather than ropes? Bonnie

I am desperately seeking the proof of the parentage of William Edmundson ROBERTSON. He was born 28 Dec 1798 in Lunenburg Co., VA to Daniel ROBERTSON and Elizabeth EDMUNDSON. I also need the proof of birth and death of Daniel ROBERTSON, who was born 8 July 1770 in Amelia Co., VA., to Henry ROBERTSON and Tralucia Stegar. He died 17 Mar 1803 in Lunenburg Co. Along with that, I need the proof of place of birth and death of Elizabeth EDMUNDSON ROBERTSON LEE, who was born 23 Nov 1779, probably in Lunenburg. She died 25 Nov 1853 in Lunenburg. In the ROBERTSON-D-Digest V98 #104 which I received thru the internet with all of this info,there are sources listed. I do not know to which person the sources refer to, because the whole family of Henry ROBERTSON is listed. I will list some of these sources in hopes that someone has access to some of them. Early marriages of Va by Crozier pg 69 notes on Southside Va by Watson pg 115 Amelia Co., VA will bk 3 pg 123 Nttw Co., VA will bk pg 7. There are a couple in Mssp, but I don't think that they would apply to my direct line. I wrote to the person that sent this info in 1998, Mrs. Ruth Rasband, 2476 Burlington St. Oakland, CA 94602, but my letter was returned. I hope that some of you read this to the end and may be able to help me. Sincerely, Gerry

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Greetings, I am researching an Afro American Nannie Chandler, b. abt 1835 d. 9/10/1921 in Halifax Co Va. Nannie's Death Certificate listed her mother as Josie/Jasie. Nannie always listed as single, had the following children: 1. Mary W. b. 1858 2. Richard b. abt 1866 m. 1-17-1885 to Bettie Leigh b. abt 1863 3. James Thomas (my g-father) b. abt 1866, d. 1/19/1933, m. 3-25-1885 to Lucy Lacy b. abt. 1862 On the Death Cert. of James Thomas, his father was listed as, Bill Byrd. 4. Jocey/Joicy Ann b. 4/1867 info on birth provided by Adolphus Chandler, employer of mother Nannie. Jocey m. may 12, 1885 to Henry Easley. 5. Emma b. 1870 6. Sarah b. 1874 m. Vincent Jones 7. Hallie V. b 1877 m dec 12 1914 to Matthew Younger There seems to have been a possible connection between black Nannie, her son James Thomas, a white Adolphus Chandler, black Susan Bird/Byrd and the son of Susan, William Bird/Byrd, of Halifax Co Va. In the 1850 Census there is a listing of Free Blacks Melunia/Melvnia Bird, 29y Susan Bird, 30y William W. Bird, 3y In the 1860 Census again Free Blacks, Melunia/Melvinia Byrd, 40y $100 in Real Estate, $50 in pers. prop. Susan Byrd, 40y Susan Byrd, 8/12 Also living there is a White man, Adolphus Chandler, 45y, $1,400 in Real Estate, $1,200 in pers. prop. Adolphus Chandler was listed as the employer of Nannie Chandler when Nannie gave birth to her daughter Joicy/Jocey Ann in 1867. William Bird/Byrd, son of Susan, now 14years old, is living 9 houses away with a Thomas Gallimore. In 1870, I found neither Adolphus or Nannie Chandler. Adolphus died in Dec 15, 1872 from Pneumonia. There was no wife listed, his mother was listed as Elizabeth Chandler In 1880, Nannie is living with her 8 children. Next door is our William Byrd/Bird, widowed with 3 children. Larry

Well, since my brain has obviously shut down and "hyde" and "hide" makes sense, then in the same inventory there is a "To 1 old Fiels Bedstead and cover 7/6" Nothing is coming to me for Fiels. FYI, the Maynard inventory is is quite long and interesting. It is here: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/va+index+558395948109+F Thanks Paul and Ann, and in advance to any of the rest of you. Janet