Very interesting letter! Can anyone confirm that Candlers Mountain at Lynchburg, Va. and Lynch's Crossing mentioned below are generally, at least, the same place? If so, would that be roughly the intersection of Route 29 and Route 460 on a current Virginia map? Thanks, Jeff Smith "G. Lee Hearl" wrote: > > To Those Interested: > There is a Candlers Mountain at Lynchburg, Va.. It's quite a Hill! > GLH.... > > In 1756 I attended a great safety council held > > at Lynch's Crossing to jower over the Stamp Act, and there I > > met Zed Candler, who had returned and settled on a royal > > grant for fighting Indians ... Zed Candler lived on Flat > > Branch five miles from Lynch's Crossing (it is now > > Lynchburg). His grant was for five thousand acres and was > > called by him Kilkenny. He was from home all the time > > G. Lee Hearl > Authentic Appalachian Storyteller > Abingdon, Va. > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Census Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

I only know of one Redmond family and that one is associated with the upper Cumberland region of Tennessee and southern Kentucky. There is a place called Redmond Mountain just above Fentress County, TN. There is also a Redmond Creek. It is very difficult to know for certain whether a portion of either or both features was also in Tennessee. However, the people involved are probably related to Francis Redmond who can be found in early Fentress County, TN records. I too am curious about Redmond individuals because my g.g.g.g.grandfather was named Redmond McDonnold and the given name seems to repeat other branches of the McDonald clan as well. There was a Redmond McDonald in Bedford County, PA, records ca 1770. His father was William who was killed by Indians. My McDonnolds were also Scots Irish.

List Members, I am trying to read an appraisment dated 1835. Since this was well before my time, over 100 years to be exact, I am not familiar with some of the items. Is there a web site that list some of the old tools that would have been used on a farm? I need to find out what a round shave is and a fanmill and seythes. I may not have these spelled correctly as I am having a hard time making out the writing. I appreciate any help Mildred

According to one account, a group of men rode from Culpeper co., Va.. to where Daniel Boone lived on the Yadkin and he went with them to look at land in Florida, he decided to not take the land offered down there and came back and later moved across the Blue Ridge to the Clinch river area of southwest Va...Now That's a Furr Piece!! >>The letter mentioned the fellows going to the Yadkin from Va. I live in Forsyth Co., NC (Winston Salem) about 5 miles from the Yadkin River. Of course it is a long river but they walked/rode a "purty piece" from Va! then back again.<<< G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

Considering the LIMITED context you have revealed, I would suggest that the "round shave" is a steel bladed tool, not unlike a draw knife, used by coopers, barnwrights and wheelwrights to create curved surfaces in wood, such as needed for making slats for a barrel. The word "seythes" quite likely is a phonetic rendering of the word "scythes" and a "fanmill" is a device with a mechanical advantage used to move air for winnowing.

I received from another researcher a land record from "Cavaliers & Pioneers: Abst. of VA Land Patents and Grants," Vol. 6:1749-1762 noting the following: Christopher CURTIS, 400 A Louisa Co, adj Giles ROGERS and Mr. MARTIN; 22 Nov 1752, p. 304 ... whereas by Pat 25 Nov. 1743 gtd Benjamin WALLER, Gentleman ...failed to make cultivation and improvement Thomas Everard ... obtained a grant for same ... assigned to ... Curtis." Can anyone tell me the given name of Mr. MARTIN? Is there a place on line where I might search for land records for Giles Rogers and Mr. Martin? Thanks.

The letter mentioned the fellows going to the Yadkin from Va. I live in Forsyth Co., NC (Winston Salem) about 5 miles from the Yadkin River. Of course it is a long river but they walked/rode a "purty piece" from Va! then back again.

To Those Interested: There is a Candlers Mountain at Lynchburg, Va.. It's quite a Hill! GLH.... In 1756 I attended a great safety council held > at Lynch's Crossing to jower over the Stamp Act, and there I > met Zed Candler, who had returned and settled on a royal > grant for fighting Indians ... Zed Candler lived on Flat > Branch five miles from Lynch's Crossing (it is now > Lynchburg). His grant was for five thousand acres and was > called by him Kilkenny. He was from home all the time G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

In a message dated 06/21/2001 11:32:45 AM Central Daylight Time, lksstarr@mmcable.com writes: > After two years more, these > braggart bucks got up a stroun-bickle and again moved to > North Carolina. An Irish slang term describing a group of adventurers?

Well, a couple of paragraphs later the letter lapses into the Scottish expression "mickel" (or at least Merriam Webster's online dictionary said it was primarily Scottish) to describe in not glowing terms physical appearance of the Anthonys, a family I can no long claim as my own (along with my ex-Coopers, Clarkes, Carrs, Chiles, Winstons, Dabneys, etc.) after a recent birth date discrepancy disaster.<sigh>. I did though go ahead and sneak the letter into my Anthony/Clarke file! I thought the letter was quite interesting in what it revealed about the attitude of others toward those who moved to the frontier. I wonder if many of my ancestors were seen as young, adventurous, ambitious, rowdy hotheads! Janet Hunter << These boys were all good surveyors, > > > and the first time I saw William Candler, the oldest boy, > he > > > and Zed, some three years younger, were lining a royal > > > charter for the Anthonys, an Italian people of no mickle > > > good appearance. >>

To All: The text below indicates some of these men were hunters, "skinners". It could also indicate they were cheaters or crooks.. because getting cheated is still described as "gettin skinned" here in the mountains of S.W. Va... >>>"In 1754, quite a muck of folk left the upper James River > colony for a good country on the Yadkin River. Among the > motley gang, for some of them were skinners, was your cousin > of the second remove, Micajah Clark, and your first cousin, > Zack Moorman. After two years of very unprofitable living, > they returned to Virginia ... After two years more, these > braggart bucks got up a stroun-bickle and again moved to > North Carolina. Among the bickels were Mike Clark, Zack G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

And, "skinners" very often were "mule skinners" - teamsters, wagon drivers, handlers of draft animals.

C'mon, you Irishmen and ladies; the expression is quite apparently an Irish slang term having to do with a typical rather carefree and adventuresome band of diverse characters and callings. :) :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Sparks Starr" <lksstarr@mmcable.com> > To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:36 AM > Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] 'bickle' in context > > > > It is purported to be found within a published genealogy -- > > original copy of this letter is thought to be in the GA Dept of > > Archives, in the papers of Allen Daniel Candler, author of _The > > Candler Family_. However, I'm told the family has restricted > > access to only other family members. > > > > The 1778 letter from Rev. Thomas Moorman to Mary Ann Lynch is > > presented below, as abstracted by Allen Candler. > > > > "In 1754, quite a muck of folk left the upper James River > > colony for a good country on the Yadkin River. Among the > > motley gang, for some of them were skinners, was your cousin > > of the second remove, Micajah Clark, and your first cousin, > > Zack Moorman. After two years of very unprofitable living, > > they returned to Virginia ... After two years more, these > > braggart bucks got up a stroun-bickle and again moved to > > North Carolina. Among the bickels were Mike Clark, Zack > > Moorman, Zed and Thomas Candler and mayhap Henry Candler... > > These Candlers were all related to our family by > > intermarriage back in Ireland." > > > > "They (the Candlers) first came to North Carolina, but soon > > moved to Virginia. These boys were all good surveyors, > > and the first time I saw William Candler, the oldest boy, he > > and Zed, some three years younger, were lining a royal > > charter for the Anthonys, an Italian people of no mickle > > good appearance. This was in 1753, and Zed Candler, who > > afterward married our cousin, Ann Moorman, was a lad some 14 > > years old. In 1756 I attended a great safety council held > > at Lynch's Crossing to jower over the Stamp Act, and there I > > met Zed Candler, who had returned and settled on a royal > > grant for fighting Indians ... Zed Candler lived on Flat > > Branch five miles from Lynch's Crossing (it is now > > Lynchburg). His grant was for five thousand acres and was > > called by him Kilkenny. He was from home all the time > > fighting Indians and surveying and soon got another grant > > fifty miles distant, in the Pittsylvania belt. Zed Candler > > married Ann Moorman, and with thirty slaves, moved to his > > new home which he called Callan." > > > > Thanks for all your efforts! Linda > > Linda Sparks Starr > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lksstarr > > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > > USGenWeb Archives Census Project > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > > > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > >

In what context was the word used? It might help us figure it out if you could give us an example sentence. Mickey Mildred "Mickey" Fournier PO Box 1967, Lake City, FL 32056 mailto:MFournier@atlantic.net

Sorry gang.. The letter, now read, makes my assumption silly. Next time I will read the questioned phrase in context. This shows how dangerous words out of context can be. :) Regards, Margaret

Well said, Paul...You said it better than I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Drake" <martee@citlink.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:57 PM Subject: Fw: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] 'bickle' in context > > C'mon, you Irishmen and ladies; the expression is quite apparently > an Irish slang term having to do with a typical rather carefree and > adventuresome band of diverse characters and callings. :) :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Linda Sparks Starr" <lksstarr@mmcable.com> > > To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:36 AM > > Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] 'bickle' in context > > > > > > > It is purported to be found within a published genealogy -- > > > original copy of this letter is thought to be in the GA Dept of > > > Archives, in the papers of Allen Daniel Candler, author of _The > > > Candler Family_. However, I'm told the family has restricted > > > access to only other family members. > > > > > > The 1778 letter from Rev. Thomas Moorman to Mary Ann Lynch > is > > > presented below, as abstracted by Allen Candler. > > > > > > "In 1754, quite a muck of folk left the upper James River > > > colony for a good country on the Yadkin River. Among the > > > motley gang, for some of them were skinners, was your > cousin > > > of the second remove, Micajah Clark, and your first cousin, > > > Zack Moorman. After two years of very unprofitable living, > > > they returned to Virginia ... After two years more, these > > > braggart bucks got up a stroun-bickle and again moved to > > > North Carolina. Among the bickels were Mike Clark, Zack > > > Moorman, Zed and Thomas Candler and mayhap Henry Candler... > > > These Candlers were all related to our family by > > > intermarriage back in Ireland." > > > > > > "They (the Candlers) first came to North Carolina, but soon > > > moved to Virginia. These boys were all good surveyors, > > > and the first time I saw William Candler, the oldest boy, > he > > > and Zed, some three years younger, were lining a royal > > > charter for the Anthonys, an Italian people of no mickle > > > good appearance. This was in 1753, and Zed Candler, who > > > afterward married our cousin, Ann Moorman, was a lad some > 14 > > > years old. In 1756 I attended a great safety council held > > > at Lynch's Crossing to jower over the Stamp Act, and there > I > > > met Zed Candler, who had returned and settled on a royal > > > grant for fighting Indians ... Zed Candler lived on Flat > > > Branch five miles from Lynch's Crossing (it is now > > > Lynchburg). His grant was for five thousand acres and was > > > called by him Kilkenny. He was from home all the time > > > fighting Indians and surveying and soon got another grant > > > fifty miles distant, in the Pittsylvania belt. Zed Candler > > > married Ann Moorman, and with thirty slaves, moved to his > > > new home which he called Callan." > > > > > > Thanks for all your efforts! Linda > > > Linda Sparks Starr > > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lksstarr > > > > > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > > > USGenWeb Archives Census Project > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Digital Maps Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/ > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Good day, fellow listers; Found the following deed in Katherine Kendall's book "Caswell County, North Carolina Deed Books 1777-1817", that might prove of interest to someone on this list: pp 312, Deed Book Q, pg 300: Roger Atkinson of Chesterfield Co, VA, to daughter Sally Bland Jones, wife of Dr. Joseph Jones, for love and affection, negro girl Betsey 9 or 10 years old, daughter of Celia who was obtained from estate of Col. Peter Poythry of Prince George Co VA, by intermarriage with his daughter Agness, said girl now on his plantation in Caswell County on Dan River and intended to be removed into VA under law passed by last General Assembly. dated 8 June 1811 Wit: James Sanders, Thos Akin, Holloway Pass. Bonnie

It is purported to be found within a published genealogy -- original copy of this letter is thought to be in the GA Dept of Archives, in the papers of Allen Daniel Candler, author of _The Candler Family_. However, I'm told the family has restricted access to only other family members. The 1778 letter from Rev. Thomas Moorman to Mary Ann Lynch is presented below, as abstracted by Allen Candler. "In 1754, quite a muck of folk left the upper James River colony for a good country on the Yadkin River. Among the motley gang, for some of them were skinners, was your cousin of the second remove, Micajah Clark, and your first cousin, Zack Moorman. After two years of very unprofitable living, they returned to Virginia ... After two years more, these braggart bucks got up a stroun-bickle and again moved to North Carolina. Among the bickels were Mike Clark, Zack Moorman, Zed and Thomas Candler and mayhap Henry Candler... These Candlers were all related to our family by intermarriage back in Ireland." "They (the Candlers) first came to North Carolina, but soon moved to Virginia. These boys were all good surveyors, and the first time I saw William Candler, the oldest boy, he and Zed, some three years younger, were lining a royal charter for the Anthonys, an Italian people of no mickle good appearance. This was in 1753, and Zed Candler, who afterward married our cousin, Ann Moorman, was a lad some 14 years old. In 1756 I attended a great safety council held at Lynch's Crossing to jower over the Stamp Act, and there I met Zed Candler, who had returned and settled on a royal grant for fighting Indians ... Zed Candler lived on Flat Branch five miles from Lynch's Crossing (it is now Lynchburg). His grant was for five thousand acres and was called by him Kilkenny. He was from home all the time fighting Indians and surveying and soon got another grant fifty miles distant, in the Pittsylvania belt. Zed Candler married Ann Moorman, and with thirty slaves, moved to his new home which he called Callan." Thanks for all your efforts! Linda Linda Sparks Starr http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lksstarr