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who the heck is ALbru and why is he sending out scr files? these are screen saver files for those who don't know.

Hi List, Was there an age limit on the personal property tax lists for VA during 1790-1800? My GGGGGgrandfather is not listed on the 1790 Henry Co VA tax list and he should be. He was born about 1722-1724, would he have been considered too old and free from person tax? Thanks. Teresa Stuart de Rios

(Please excuse any multiple emails, since I was trying to let everyone know about this). Hi, I am very pleased to let you know that another great "find" has been made with the Andrews and Drumright families. A few months ago we were trying to learn more about Ephraim's daughter that married William Drumright. (This Ephraim is the son of William and Avis Andrews of Dinwiddie Co., VA). >From Ephraim's will (from a handwritten instrument, found in the files of the Williamson County TN courthouse Archives), we knew the names of his children: "Item. And all the rest of my estate both real and personal after my wife's decease or widowhood, I desire should be equally divided amongst my six children, to wit; George, Knacy H., Ephraim, Stacy, Elizabeth and Nancy, with the following exceptions to wit;...." and we also knew that William Drumright seemed to fit into the family in some way: "Item. My will and desire is that the price with the hire of one negro fellow named Tom that is now in the possession of George Andrews and William Drumwright, shall be taken out of their part of the estate, and the two hundred dollars that George Andrews paid the said Drumwright for Tom is to be subtracted out of the said Drumwright's part of said negro." Available data that we checked had conflicting information. The daughter Nancy was sometimes seen as the wife of Benjamin Bugg, and sometimes as the wife of William Drumright. After some digging, we were able to prove that "Nancy" was the Ann Andrews that married Benjamin Bugg. That left us with William Drumright appearing to be a son-in-law, but we weren't even absolutely sure about that. Ed Waller found the first clue. It was in Lunenburg Co. Deed Book 22, page 212. George Andrews of Lunenburg Co. (Ephraim's son) and William Drumright of Mecklenburg Co. appointed a lawyer, "each being lawfully entitled to a Legacy or child's part of the Estate of Ephraim Andrews and also the Estate of Ann Andrews, deceased of Williamson County and State of Tennessee." This supported the theory that William was a son-in-law, but what was her name? We knew that it wasn't Ann/Nancy (she married Benjamin Bugg). We knew it wasn't Elizabeth (she married John Young). That only left Stacy, but no one had any information about this daughter. Frances Harper, one of our most dedicated researchers, found the last piece of the puzzle! The Marriage License Bonds of Mecklenburg County, Virginia from 1765 to 1810 page 1 Allen, Gray & Molley Nance, 16 Dec. 1791, William Drumright sec. Notes from grooms brother Darling Allen, wit. Stacy Drumright & bride's father, Robert Nance, wit. Drury Allen. This is the first time we have seen William Drumright's name in the same document with a Stacy Drumright. This 1791 would have been before Ephraim wrote his will in 1807, and would be before William Drumright married Sally Gilliam Bradley in 1811. No previous marriage records were found for William Drumright, but we knew that he had a wife before Sally. His children were born long before that marriage. In addition to all the other evidence that he was a son-in-law to Ephraim Andrews, he named a son, Ephraim Andrews Drumright. We know Ephraim had a daughter, Stacy, and we couldn't find her married to anyone else. Now we do find a Stacy Drumright in a document with William Drumright. Given all the above, we think that Ephraim's daughter, Stacy, was the daughter that married William Drumright. For you Drumright researchers, William Drumright also married a daughter of William Bowen Jr. and Lucrecy. We know that she died before 1787, from the will of Hicks Bowen (Mecklenburg Co. Will Book 2, page 221). Her name has been reported as Nancy, but thus far, no documentation for this has been found. It would appear that William married #1 Unknown Bowen, who was deceased before 1787. #2 Stacy Andrews, daughter of Ephraim and Ann Andrews. She was alive in 1807 when Ephraim wrote his will. #3. Sally Gilliam/Gelleam Bradley, 24 Sept 1811, Mecklenburg Co., Va. We welcome your comments. Sue

For anyone researching Pitman, here are some marriages, 1700s, various counties. JOHN EDWARDS SARAH [MRS] PITMAN 20 January 1762 Southampton JOHN PITMAN ELIZABETH MAUK 07 May 1787 Shenandoah MICHAEL PITMAN NELLY FRENCH 06 May 1791 Northumberland MOSES SUTTON CATY [MRS] PITMAN 11 January 1793 Northumberland RICHARD PITMAN LIDDY BRISCOE WARREN 20 March 1788 Lancaster ROBERT BOYD NANCY PITMAN 02 June 1791 Lancaster ANSON EDWARDS ANNE PITMAN 03 December 1785 Isle of Wight good hunting! jeannie reseraching anyone who may have anything to do with HILBURN/HELBURN in Virginia - early 1700's

Did you send an attachment?????????????????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albru" <Albru@prodigy.net> To: <martee@citlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: Re: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Position of "County Lieutenant" in the Virginia Militia 'Paul Drake' wrote: ==== - Virtually every county had a militia - "guard" - of sorts, and your - Lt. was appointed by the county judge to oversee and to "train" that - unit. His job was something of a small honor, however there was - work involved, since all farmers, young men, and everyone's son were - supposed to be prepared to fight off Indians and other hostiles. He - was paid for that effort, and usually had some minimal experience at - military activities. They met, usually on "Court Days," d ...' > Take a look to the attachment.

Can anyone please give me information of the position of "County Lieutenant" in the Virginia Militia during the 1770s and 1780s. Was it a position of power or more ceremonial? Apparently most who held the job were previous ranked at colonels or were made such at the time of their installation. In Henry County two or three resigned after very short tenures. Was it a holdover from the Colonial times? Larry

Virtually every county had a militia - "guard" - of sorts, and your Lt. was appointed by the county judge to oversee and to "train" that unit. His job was something of a small honor, however there was work involved, since all farmers, young men, and everyone's son were supposed to be prepared to fight off Indians and other hostiles. He was paid for that effort, and usually had some minimal experience at military activities. They met, usually on "Court Days," drilled, and all armed themselves. Other titles,. such as Col., Major, etc., were achieved quite usually by self-appointment through supplying, arming, and sending a number of men to "defend" the county or colony. Just as prominent citizens until recently yet were known as Colonels, so too in the early days. Remember there was NO standing army anywhere here, other than such units as the British sent and posted here now and again. ----- Original Message ----- From: <LCandBC@aol.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 7:32 AM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Position of "County Lieutenant" in the Virginia Militia > Can anyone please give me information of the position of "County Lieutenant" > in the Virginia Militia during the 1770s and 1780s. Was it a position of > power or more ceremonial? Apparently most who held the job were previous > ranked at colonels or were made such at the time of their installation. In > Henry County two or three resigned after very short tenures. Was it a > holdover from the Colonial times? > Larry > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Digital Maps Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/ > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F1 1HB >

G. Lee, Thanks for your reply. I also emailed, Mike Cobb, the webmaster for the Ambrose Cobbs website, and he had received a copy of the information, but it wasn't handy. He did summarize it thusly: Pulling from memory, the survery was a map of what was found on the property before park construction began. The outline was a plat of the original property boundaries. Apparently metal detectors were used to determine if there was anything underground that deserved excavation. If memory serves, the foundations of several old structures was marked, as well as the wharf that was built on the river to facilitate transportation. Bearing in mind, back in those times, I would have paddled the fifty miles to Jamestown in a rowboat, before I risked travel overland." This seems to agree with what you said. I'm still going to get a copy when I ever get to LVA again. He also said they blew up the Rocks from which the Point of Rocks got its name (a marker in Abraham Wood's patent) in the 1900s because they were deemed a hazard to traffic on the River. Thanks again, Janet (BTW I used one of your old mill pictures for wallpaper...Of course, it's already been replaced by a Dave Matthews picture!)

Janet, In answer to your question, below. It would depend on the type of survey being performed.. For development purposes, it would not necessarily involve land ownership records but would explore the area for artifacts, burial sites, prehistoric bones, tools etc.. The Archaelogical digs at Williamsburg and Jamestown were for historical purposes and probably included locations of old forts, buildings, trash dumps etc.. Also, the land ownership was researched for names of plantations etc.. In the case of developing a park, road etc. only "spot" digs would be required. I recently came upon a dig being conducted prior to laying a gas pipe line and they were required to carefully remove the earth down to the deepest point it had been plowed and search for signs of Indian habitation and old graves.. Va. state archealogists determine where to dig and a contractor does the work and prepares plats and maps and records the "finds".. >>My question is: What exactly is involved in an "archaelogical survey". Would the plats/maps show a history of land ownership like a deed search, or simply identify the location of important historical "markers", old home sites, etc that might still be there? Obviously I am wondering if there might be mention of the Baughs.<<< G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

Good Morning Everyone, I recently came across information that Point of Rocks Park on the Appomatox in Chesterfield Co between routes 95 and 295, is located at least partially on the "Cobbs" Plantation site, which was first patented by Ambrose Cobbs, land later went to the Burtons 1650s or so, then to John Bolling and Mary Kennon ca 1704, and they started the "Red Bollings", descendants of Pocohantos. On the east side of Cobbs' original patent lived Abraham Wood, and John Baugh and descendants were on the west side. Indeed I do believe my gg grandfather Archibald Bolling Baugh was named after these neighbors. I do believe that the Bollings gobbled up a good portion of the Baugh land later, but not all of it. At this Cobbs website it says "An archealogical survey was done of the property prior to development, and those plats and maps are available in the Virginia State Archives." http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cobb/ambrose.htm (A map of the park's location is here for all those soccer and softball players at the park! http://echesterfield.com/soccer/fields/por.jpg, and some pictures are here: http://www.cvfo.org/locations_parks_and_open_areas.htm). My question is: What exactly is involved in an "archaelogical survey". Would the plats/maps show a history of land ownership like a deed search, or simply identify the location of important historical "markers", old home sites, etc that might still be there? Obviously I am wondering if there might be mention of the Baughs. Also, I made an attempt to find where this might be at the LVA's website, but was unsuccessful. I am curious if someone could provide advice on that score as well. Thanks in advance, My best regards, Janet (Baugh) Hunter

Geraldine Kempton wrote: > Can anyone tell me if and where there are birth and death records for the above counties in the 1700's? > > Thank you, > > Gerry Bell's book, LUNENBURG COUNTY: THE OLD FREE STATE includes vestry records for Cornwall Parish; that part of the county that became Charlotte County. The vestry records may have some of what you are seeking. Also, the Bristol Parish records are available in transcription; those records are for Prince George County...Lunenburg was formed from Brunswick County which was formed from Prince George County. Amelia County was also formed from Prince George County. Ed Hamblin Chesapeake, VA

Can anyone tell me if and where there are birth and death records for the above counties in the 1700's? Thank you, Gerry

The new Rootsweb Message Boards are still undergoing improvements and changes. They were launched only two or three days ago, and the Rootsweb folks are welcoming input and suggestions from users. Linda SusiCP@aol.com wrote: > > O dear all I am hearing is all this awful stuff and what is happening is > about to break the back of genealogy. > > Brian and Karen are I believe no longer in picture?? So I heard, so we have > GREED GREED and no competiton to make them be have..The boards are all mixed > and the data is half lost.. Many CC's are quiting and are so upset can't even > discuss it well. > So much work done by so many volunteers and they come in and appoint other > people to do the boards and run the show and do not care about the people.. > TIS truly the sad d ay and not the Brian and Karen I knew. Wonder where they > would be if all that volunteerism was taken away.. Talk about a Racket so > sad .. sad sad.. > > I thought we had free enterprise and they could not merge like that, reminds > me of banks they can yet phone company can't .. STRANGE world we live in. > > Off my box now.. Susi > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > The USGenWeb Project http://www.usgenweb.org > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Greetings A nice person, a Mr. Wallace has contacted me and given me info on how everyone may access on-line the very same information I have been struggling to post. Note: these instructions should work for any state, just use the correct state name. Here are the instructions and other good info he gave to me, with some additions from me. ======================================= This is how to access the LDS catalog online. By the way, if you are near an LDS family history center, you can buy for a great sum of $5.00 plus tax a CD-ROM of the LDS FHLC (fam hist lib catalog) which is somewhat more sophisticated than the online version. It has LOTS of material. Another CD-ROM of interest is one called The Source (another $5.00) which is ALL the US plus some foreign ones of the Research Outlines compiled by the LDS genealogists for searching various states. They are great outlines. Some of them are online also on the FHLC website. The URL for the website is: www.familysearch.org After you get on the webpage, look on the lower right. There is a link to the catalog. (it says "search the Family History Library Catalog for records and resources)." Click on that link. (Come back later and explore other links if you are so inclined.) The catalog search page will give you several choices: Place search, Surname search, etc. For Virginia - click on Place Type in Virginia, (leave second one blank), then click on "search." Find "Virginia" in the list of 14 topics and click on it. The first group of 20 topics of a total of 236 is displayed. Check out what's available in this first group, then keep clicking on "view next set of matching topics " until you come to the last group of topics. In this last group you will find "Virginia-Vital Records" (which includes whatever LDS has on births, marriages, deaths). Click on "Virginia-Vital Records." Click on "Birth Records 1853-1941; indexes 1853-1950." Click on "view film notes" You will see the first 20 of 101 "film notes." To see the next 20 of the 101, click on "next film notes" at bottom of screen. And on, and on, and on. Having trouble remembering my name now, need sleep. Larry

O dear all I am hearing is all this awful stuff and what is happening is about to break the back of genealogy. Brian and Karen are I believe no longer in picture?? So I heard, so we have GREED GREED and no competiton to make them be have..The boards are all mixed and the data is half lost.. Many CC's are quiting and are so upset can't even discuss it well. So much work done by so many volunteers and they come in and appoint other people to do the boards and run the show and do not care about the people.. TIS truly the sad d ay and not the Brian and Karen I knew. Wonder where they would be if all that volunteerism was taken away.. Talk about a Racket so sad .. sad sad.. I thought we had free enterprise and they could not merge like that, reminds me of banks they can yet phone company can't .. STRANGE world we live in. Off my box now.. Susi

Greetings, Please be patient, the info will be coming to you soon! Larry

Seeking information on Sallie Cralle who married William A. "Quality Bill" Fowlkes about 1793. Is she a sister of Kenner and a daughter of William Matthew and Ann Opie Cralle? William A. and Sallie's children were Opie, William, Kenner, Parmlie and Hiram Fowlkes. Olin Compton - Richmond

You are right. Rootsweb.com was bought by MyFamily.com. http://www.ancestry.com/home/celebrate/rootsrelease.htm I repeat. Free enterprise is great! More power to Brian and Karen, but lets not forget without the USGenWeb Project, there would never have been a Rootsweb.com to sell and make mega millions for their owners. I donated my materials to USGenWeb and I donated my $100.00 to Rootsweb, but currently with MyFamily.com owning Rootsweb.com and Ancestry.com and FamilyHistory.com and Ah-ha.com http://www.myfamilyinc.com/pressroom/ These businesses sell advertising based on the number of hits per page. It is to MyFamily.com(s) interest to keep "us comming on down on the genealogy hunt". In January 2001, Ancestry.com (who now owns rootsweb.com) had over 285,000 paid subscriptions !!! Their goal one million. At about $100.00 per subscription, I don't think we need feel they need our 'donations'. margaret

In a message dated 06/22/2001 4:20:17 PM Central Daylight Time, martee@citlink.net writes: > deed problems are the usual, > NOT the unusual and we still live with descriptive errors made LONG > ago. For which I am very grateful. I have a Sumner County Tennessee deed from an estate settlement dating from 1883. It took over 20 years to have all the eyes dotted and tees crossed, and in the process I learned the names of another generation of descendants that I would never have known otherwise. The five children were born after the 1880 census and had left Tennessee before the 1900 census. I still haven't found a census record on them, but I know their names, their husbands' names, and their residences from a quit claim deed they signed in February 1904. I wish I had more such deeds. Joyce