On both the Internet and two books have encountered in the last week I have two different dates for the formation of Pittsylvania County out of Halifax--the two different dates put forth are 1764 and 1767. Which is correct? Larry

Excuse me....I meant Virginia Counties Evolution Chart...by G. Lee Hearl. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brownie MacKie" <BMacKie1@compuserve.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] What year was Pittsylvania County created? > Larry, I have 1767 on my Virginia Counties Records Status. Heres how it > goes: > > Note: All counties which have #1s designation were orignal Shires or > Counties. Subsequent numbers derive from the the smaller. This is a great > list compiled by G. Lee Hearl and copyrighted 1998 by G. Lee Hearl. > > 1. CHARLES CITY 1634 > 2....Prince George 1703 > 3.........Brunswick 1732 > 4..............Lunenburg 1746 > 5..................Halifax 1752 > 6........................Pittsylvania 1767 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <LCandBC@aol.com> > To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:56 AM > Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] What year was Pittsylvania County created? > > > > > > On both the Internet and two books have encountered in the last week I > have > > two different dates for the formation of Pittsylvania County out of > > Halifax--the two different dates put forth are 1764 and 1767. Which is > > correct? > > Larry > > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > > Hosted by Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Larry, I have 1767 on my Virginia Counties Records Status. Heres how it goes: Note: All counties which have #1s designation were orignal Shires or Counties. Subsequent numbers derive from the the smaller. This is a great list compiled by G. Lee Hearl and copyrighted 1998 by G. Lee Hearl. 1. CHARLES CITY 1634 2....Prince George 1703 3.........Brunswick 1732 4..............Lunenburg 1746 5..................Halifax 1752 6........................Pittsylvania 1767 ----- Original Message ----- From: <LCandBC@aol.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] What year was Pittsylvania County created? > > On both the Internet and two books have encountered in the last week I have > two different dates for the formation of Pittsylvania County out of > Halifax--the two different dates put forth are 1764 and 1767. Which is > correct? > Larry > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > Hosted by Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Greetings, I need a lookup in the 1850 and 1860 Halifax County Va. Slave Schedules. I need to know how many, the sex of, and ages of the slaves held by Adolphus Chandler. Thanks in advance, Larry

Greetings, For those searching Halifax Co. VA, there is a booklet in the Danville Va. library which might be of interest. The title of the booklet is: "Tombstone Inscriptions taken from Private Cemeteries In Halifax County, Virginia vol. 1 Compiled by Kenneth Harvey Cook. the date on the booklet is November 1969. The booklet is 40 pages long, and contains info on about 54 cemeteries. The cemeteries tend to be small. In the back of the booklet there was a map on which the numbers of the cemeteries were marked, so that one could see just about where the cemeteries were located. In the booklet, I found about 9 cemeteries not covered in George Calvin Waldreb IIIs "Halifax Co. (VA) Cemeteries" books. The genealogy group in the Danville Library is: VA-NC Piedmont Genealogical Society P. O. Box 2272 Danville, VA 24541 E-mail: vancsoc@juno.com Larry

KDale60909@aol.com wrote > I have a man listed on personal property 1782 with .2 taxes for one horse. He > himself is not tithable--and if he's the one I think he is, was probably only > about 15--maybe 16. So it is possible he was listed because his HORSE was > taxable though he was not? Does it make sense that his father's will (if such > a thing existed--only the property inventory remains) made him the owner of > the one stud horse in the estate (most expensive thing he owned!), and that > this is why he's on the tax list (while his two older brothers are not) even > though he was not old enough to be a tithable? He would probably have been in > his mother's household--and she is listed just beneath him, also with one > horse and 2 head of cattle--though only one stud horse is listed in the > deceased husband/father's inventory. However, one mare and one mare colt were > also listed--taxable or not? > Sure it is possible. As long as somebody paid the tax, it didn't make too much difference how the form was filled out for the exceptional cases. The commissioners would have to list the property. However, a parent or guardian would be the responsible taxpayer.Later lists might list him with the mother responsible. However, I would guess the manner of listing in the exceptional cases varied among counties and even commissioners. . Was there a columns for white and black tithables? I seem to recall a 1782 list that only had columns for polls (free males over 21) and for slaves.

Hi, There are some voter list tabulations in between Deed Book I and Deed Book II for Henry Co VA, abstracted by Lela Adams, regarding the disputed election for the House of Delegates in 1788 between John Marr, Abraham Penn and the man I THOUGHT was my ancestor, but is not as it turns out now that a birthdate makes a marriage not fit with Wallers, Thomas Cooper. The book also had 1778-1780 Henry Co Tax Lists at the end. Janet Hunter

Searching for Relatives of Pvt Joshua F. M. Mitchell " George Washington Mitchell " Robert Drury Mitchell Pvt. Jethro W. Jackson PVt. Bannister Jackson Pvt. Henry Jackson Pvt. John H. Finch

The following covers the years 1782-1792. Some procedures may not have been used in all years. There were various reasons that a person might not show up on a 1790 personal property tax list. It is wise to check all years, just in case it was a mistake. Also check the land tax lists. Sometimes a person living with another family was listed by name one year then not in another. A person who worked as an overseer with a resident owner could be listed under his employer's name or simply in the total number of tithables (1788 on). When working with the VA state tax lists, namely those beginning in 1782, it is helpful to know the tax law applicable to the particular year. In the first decade, at least, there were frequent changes in the law. The laws for 1782-92, however, can be readily obtained from "Hening's Statutes at Large." The first thing to note is that these lists were designed to collect the state tax (known as the public levy), but were also used to collect the parish and county levies. The major change in the period was the replacement of the parish levy with the similar poor tax. For a number of years the state also levied a poll tax. It was the same as the tithe except that it applied only to free males above 21 and all slaves (called taxables or polls on the lists). There were some general exemptions in the law. In 1782, anyone, slave or free, who was exempted from the county levy by the county court, because of age or infirmity, was exempt from the poll tax. Later years may have exempted such slaves only, but the wording is unclear. This tax was repealed in 1787 (affecting the 1788 list) for free males and for slaves under 12. The land taxes were kept separately in land tax books. The information was taken from deed transfers. The county clerks and the registers of the land patent office sent the information, called alterations, to the commissioners. In the statutes, there are no age or infirmity exemptions from payments of taxes on land or property owned, except on the polls mentioned above, as of 1792. >From 1782 to1787 all taxables were supposed to be listed by name on the schedule. After that, only the responsible taxpayer may be listed. Some counties listed all white tithables.

Not to complicate things too much, but it is my understanding that (just as today), there were two tax lists for most VA counties: the land tax list (ie, today's real estate taxes) and personal property tax (horses, billiard tables then, etc. cars, boats, etc. now). I recently questioned some information that one of my ancestors (Archibald Bolling Baugh) voted in an election 1836 (Hopkins vs. Scott) in Powhatan Co, because I knew he was on the Amelia Co personal property tax list for 1836. I also knew he still owned land in Powhatan which I don't believe he sold until right before he moved to Missouri in 1838. I questioned whether or not he was eligible to vote and was told that any landowner who showed up on election day with his sherriff's receipt for paying his "real estate tax" could vote in the election.....AND that many property owners with holdings in more than one county voted in each county, assuming they could get to the polling place (tavern, etc.). I just thought I'd mention that in case you encounter a fellow (wouldn't have been any ladies back then of course) on a vote tabulation list...and there are alot of those out there as there was no such thing as a secret ballot until ???...who you think is your ancestor, but you were pretty sure he lived in a different county, he may have owned land in more than one place, or have been trying to get a patent, but making improvements, etc., etc. in his new county, and hadn't sold his other property yet, or maybe he just was a large property owner. In short, voting lists could be viewed as a partial substitution for land property tax lists, in addition to providing you with glimpses of your ancestors political leanings! FYI, my Bolling Baugh voted with the Democrats, his brother for the Whigs, as did the Bollings in Powhatan. Personal Property Tax Lists (those horses, etc.) are better indications of actual place of residence.?? If I am in error, please let me know. When we view those wonderful 1790/1800 VA Co tax lists at the Binns' website, this seems to be an important distinction to keep in mind if you are puzzled by someones appearance, lack of appearance on a list. If you haven't been there, here is the URL: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/ Best Regards, Janet (Baugh) Hunter

In response to the many messages concerning why someone would not have appeared on a tax list or who is listed there but with no tax due: You need to try to lay hands on the minutes of the County Court for his county of residence. Those records are filled with entries such as this one from Louisa County: "On 11 July 1743, Benjamin BERRYMAN, a cripple lately come from Gloucester County, states that he is unable to labor for his living and asks to be exempted from the county levy". Mildred "Mickey" Fournier PO Box 1967, Lake City, FL 32056 mailto:MFournier@atlantic.net

In a message dated 06/28/2001 7:42:15 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jorbob@msn.com writes: > These lists generally followed a standard form - white males 16 and up, > blacks (slaves) 21 up, blacks 16-21, horses, sometimes cattle, town lots, > billiard tables, stud horses I have a man listed on personal property 1782 with .2 taxes for one horse. He himself is not tithable--and if he's the one I think he is, was probably only about 15--maybe 16. So it is possible he was listed because his HORSE was taxable though he was not? Does it make sense that his father's will (if such a thing existed--only the property inventory remains) made him the owner of the one stud horse in the estate (most expensive thing he owned!), and that this is why he's on the tax list (while his two older brothers are not) even though he was not old enough to be a tithable? He would probably have been in his mother's household--and she is listed just beneath him, also with one horse and 2 head of cattle--though only one stud horse is listed in the deceased husband/father's inventory. However, one mare and one mare colt were also listed--taxable or not? He (or at least someone of his name) only shows up 1782--until 1787 when he is listed as over 21 in a relative's household. Were such horses taxed every year? He sold the horse? Perhaps--more probable--his horse accounts for one of the two horses that show up in his stepfather's household after a 1783-84 marriage, while his mother's horse accounted for the second--and now the stepfather is paying the tax? Nothing like using a .2 tax on a stud horse to try to determine whether he is or is not the son of the deceased! A nice family bible would make life a lot easier! <<grin>> Any additional thoughts on this? One more comment--I think the initial question in this thread had to do with upper age exemptions--there was an exemption for "old age" which one tax list I have duly notes, but does anyone know how old "old age" was? Sixty? Sixty-Five? Seventy? Or was it as variable as the "senior discount" in our society? I think this man must have been abt. 75 when the notation first shows up in 1810, but before that there's a stretch of several years when he isn't listed at all--though he had been for a number of years earlier. What we need is a good tax lawyer. :) Karen

I don't pretend to have all answers about age limits on taxes in VA, but while looking at films showing personal tax in Berkeley Co. VA (now WVA) from 1782-99, I found a note attached on the film for the county. All males were required to be in a county militia from age 16-50 per the Act of May, 1777. Tax lists were developed from these militia lists. Thus, the tax lists were split into military districts or battalions. In the 1790s, districts started developing with names attached to the list taker. These lists generally followed a standard form - white males 16 and up, blacks (slaves) 21 up, blacks 16-21, horses, sometimes cattle, town lots, billiard tables, stud horses. This form generally stayed the same into the 1800s, but the white poll age could change its limits. The same form spread to NC, TN, and other southern states - with variations of course. One funny thing from our point of view - one TN county started taxing dogs - it is was the first column on the ! list. The second column was designated for bitches. Almost every man had his hunting dog, and it was unusual if more than one dog was listed. Sometimes I wonder how a tax collector counted all of the puppies - or at what age they started to count. I can also see that when a tax collector appeared in the neighborhood, the men took their dogs into the hills for a time so they wouldn't be counted. Times have changed, but yet, they haven't.

Hi List, Just to say thanks for all of you who answered my posting. My GGGGGgrandfather John Stewart born 1724-1726, was on the 1779, 1780, and 1782 tax list for Henry Co. Va. I cannot understand why he would not have been for 1790 as he owned land , cattle and horses etc... His land became Patrick Co in 1791, and according to land deeds his designated himself in 1791 "of Patrick Co." On the 1790 tax list for Henry, I find his son in law Abraham HAWKS, Abraham's father John Hawks. My GGGGGgrandfather is most likely, son of John Stewart and Mary Bowman Stewart of Amelia Co. Va. John Stewart was the son of Daniel Stewart and either first wife Elizabeth Farley(widow), or his second wife Sarah Baugh. This Daniel Stewart was from Henrico Co Va. and moved to Prince George Co. VA/Amelia by 1732. Any inf. on these people who be great. Best wishes, Teresa Stuart de Rios, El Salvador

The only way I have an idea where one of my ancestors lived in Cumberland Co VA was the road orders listed in the Court Records. No deeds or grants can be found for him, but he was a Justice of the Court for 25 years. Irene Fulton Forrest Fulton --- fifulton@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

Maybe he had moved in with one of his children in another county. Edith << Was there an age limit on the personal property tax lists for VA during 1790-1800? My GGGGGgrandfather is not listed on the 1790 Henry Co VA tax list and he should be. He was born about 1722-1724, would he have been considered too old and free from person tax? >>

The Governors, Legislature and the Circuit (and higher) Courts in VA have always had the authority to exempt anyone from any certain taxe when conditions or circumstances required such action.

I have been asked what a "billman" was when mentioned in the rolls of an armed force. A bill was a heavy, sturdy iron (later steel) hatchet with a hooked point opposite the blade. Those who carried bills as weapons in battle were known as "billmen." The development of efficient firearms greatly diminished the use for such weapons, and by the 17th century and settlement here such were almost unknown. Paul

Dear friends. I have recently been furnished with two bits of information, each of which has raised a question. I hope you can help: (1) It is documented that John Pearson, Jr., married Mary/Middy Warmock/Warnock in Brunswick County in 1824. However, it was supposed that they had no children. I have been advised that they had at least one child, James, born in May, 1821 (apparently before the marriage?). Is this true, and is there any documentation? Where could I look for this? (2) It is reported that there was a Charles Pearson, born about 1719, who married a Rebecca Walton in about 1737. (New Kent County?) This Charles is said to be a son of William Pearson and Mary Morris, also of New Kent County. I haven't seen any documentation to establish this father-son relationship. Is there any evidence? Where could I look for this? (I have the "Vestry Book and Parish Register of St. Peter's Parish, New Kent County," edited by Chamberlayne - can't find the relationship.) HELP. anybody!!! Jo Anna Dale, <jdale@swbell.net>

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