List Members, I am searching for the burial places and or any information about the following people: Robert E. WARREN, died 1900, VA Mary J. Goulder WARREN, wife of Robert E., died circa 1910, VA James Andrew MAJOR, died circa 1918, VA Elizabeth Warren MAJOR, wife of James A., died circa 1910-1916, VA They lived in the Amelia, Nottoway, Dinwiddie Counties area of Virginia Any help will be greatly appreciated Irvin

> Hi List, Please forgive the multiple listings. > I'm trying to find (since 1965) my elusive ggg gf and gm. I don't have > either of their names. > > I do know that they resided on the banks of Hyco Creek off the Dan River for a time > according to a journal written by their son and my gg gf, William > Henderson Buntin. He was born there in 1817. Can anyone tell me if the Dan River or Hyco (var sps) > Creek is anywhere near Maresville, Twps. > > They moved to Person CO. NC circa 1827 with their family where both the > parents died circa 1832 - 1838. > > My gg gf mentions older brothers Jim and John. There were several > sisters but he doesn't provide any names for them. > > Several of the children migrated first to IN around 1838 and from there > William Henderson Buntin and brother John migrated to Hopkins CO. KY in 1839.. > Both are buried in Olive Branch cemeteries with their families near Hanson, KY > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Carolyn Buntin Eveland >

Paul, Old John is supposed to have been wandering around in I of W Co. around 1727, when he received a land patent for 100 acres. No more or less than that is know of him, except he had two or three sons, one being Edmund, my direct ancestor. Thanks for any help. bbc

Paul-- this is the ans. to the question I ask the list yesterday! I need to clarify the item regarding the Fulkerson papers. P. G. Fulkerson (1840-1929), a prominent lawyer in Tazewell, TN, was very interested in genealogy. He wrote about the beginnings of Claiborne Co., TN and short paragraphs about some of the early settlers of Claiborne Co., TN. His granddaughter, Katherine Dyer, had his articles published in the weekly newspaper "The Tazewell-New Tazewell Observer" in 1979 and extending into 1981. At the time we entered this citation we placed it on the line that indicated "Education" - it does not signify any relationship where/what this person studied, etc. Sorry for the confusion. If you want to see this article just let me know. Denny & Marla Brubaker Claiborne Co., TN Pioneer Project New updated web page (10/6/00) is located at the following address Click on the blue below: <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ccpp/pioneer/index.htm"> CLAIBORNE COUNTY PIONEER PROJECT</A> (CCPP) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ccpp/pioneer/index.htm ************************************************************* Another good web site for Claiborne County, TN is: <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnclaibo/"> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnclaibo/</A> ************************************************************* Claiborne County Cemetery Pictures: <A HREF="http://claibornecolib.tripod.com/fordschapel/index.htm"> http://claibornecolib.tripod.com/fordschapel/index.htm</A>

In a message dated 7/5/01 4:06:37 PM, Krysteria writes: << << Each one of us, no matter whether we live now or 300 years ago, is a product of our society. We reflect the ideas that are/were prevalent at the time. Anyone looking back, and any one in the future looking back even at us today, should realize that. >> Yes we "reflect." But since we can't change what happened in the past, how do we stand in the "blame" department? Just curious. -k >> Well, I got interestingly opposing answers to this question.

I remember not long back that someone was seeking at the courthouse in Boydton,Mecklenburg County, VA the will book known as Will Book S-1. I was at the courthouse today and found the book. It has just been repaired and returned to the courthouse and it and another book were combined and have a new title. Look for this will book under first row of will books starting with Will Bk 1 which is at the top and new S-1 last book on bottom shelf. New title: Circuit Court Will Book 1 & 2 Superior Court Will Book 1 ( hence the S-1 designation which inside the book has this section thus denoted.) Wayne Rainey **researching Mecklenburg families Rainey/Raney, Vaughan, Nance, King, Kidd, etc.

List, Please do not let us sink once again into issues which we cannot change. Many, if not most of us are on this list to learn of the existence of proof of our ancestry. Let's keep it that way. I always enjoy the information regarding geographical locations, the laws of a certain period, customs and other posts. But personal opinions have no place in this forum. Now. Does anyone know anything about my 7th great grandpap, John Barrett of Isle of Wight? I really don't give a hoot about what he did, except for owning land, paying taxes and finding some indication that he begat my 6th great grandfather. bbc

Well said, Paul! Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Drake To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: VA-SOUTHSIDE-D Digest V01 #251 Madam; you asked, "...how do we stand in the blame department...."? Perhaps you, not atall, but many others are not so blame free. Your word "reflection" is well chosen and reveals exactly what we should do and how we should think; only through such mental exercises does an understanding of our family history move ahead, albeit but in little spurts and jumps. What we, as dedicated researchers, MUST NOT do, however, is render judgements as to ancestors' conduct through the use of our own views, mores, beliefs, "science" and even our moral standards. We have neither the knowledge nor the intellectual privilege of smiling upon or speaking of the actions of our predecessors as just or unjust, silly or sensible, prejudiced or without prejudice, fair or unfair, right or wrong, moral or immoral, proper or improper, laughable or to be frowned upon, conscionable or unconscionable, indecent or decent, proper or improper, patriotic or not so, scientific or not so, rational or irrational, and on, and on, and on, and on. The fact that Cotton Mather stated unequivocally that the American Indian "...was known to consort with demons...." and that Mrs. Sherwood was "ducked" in Lynnhaven Bay to determine whether or not she was a witch, or that burning oak leaves on a cold axe was an efficacious way to treat an ear ache are not funny, silly, unreasonable, nonsense or any of those other nouns/adjectives. They were what the folks before us sincerely believed, and you know what?? They got along very well without our criticism, suggestions, "modern" ideas and methods. Let them rest where they now are. Reflect - as you do and surely SHOULD - yet always understand that many of our own ways will be so described in the year 2200 AD (the same number of years in the future as have passed since the Presidency of John Adams). So, it is fair for us to say, "THROUGH OUR SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS, we NOW know that settin' fire to oak leaves ain't gonna' help an ear ache," and "We NOW are convinced that taking old Elizabeth down Witch Duck Rd. in Norfolk didn't prove anything," it is pedestrian and very poor genealogy to say, "Those folks were silly in so believing." Paul "....Yes we "reflect." But since we can't change what happened in the past, how do > we stand in the "blame" department? Just curious." > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== USGenWeb Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

We are responsible for the actions of ourselves and no one else. period. > > In a message dated 7/5/01 1:02:23 PM, VA-SOUTHSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com > writes: > > << Each one of us, no matter whether we live now or 300 years ago, is a > product of our society. We reflect the ideas that are/were prevalent at > the time. Anyone looking back, and any one in the future looking back > even at us today, should realize that. >> > > Yes we "reflect." But since we can't change what happened in the past, how do > we stand in the "blame" department? Just curious. > > -k > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

In a message dated 7/5/01 1:02:23 PM, VA-SOUTHSIDE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Each one of us, no matter whether we live now or 300 years ago, is a product of our society. We reflect the ideas that are/were prevalent at the time. Anyone looking back, and any one in the future looking back even at us today, should realize that. >> Yes we "reflect." But since we can't change what happened in the past, how do we stand in the "blame" department? Just curious. -k

Madam; you asked, "...how do we stand in the blame department...."? Perhaps you, not atall, but many others are not so blame free. Your word "reflection" is well chosen and reveals exactly what we should do and how we should think; only through such mental exercises does an understanding of our family history move ahead, albeit but in little spurts and jumps. What we, as dedicated researchers, MUST NOT do, however, is render judgements as to ancestors' conduct through the use of our own views, mores, beliefs, "science" and even our moral standards. We have neither the knowledge nor the intellectual privilege of smiling upon or speaking of the actions of our predecessors as just or unjust, silly or sensible, prejudiced or without prejudice, fair or unfair, right or wrong, moral or immoral, proper or improper, laughable or to be frowned upon, conscionable or unconscionable, indecent or decent, proper or improper, patriotic or not so, scientific or not so, rational or irrational, and on, and on, and on, and on. The fact that Cotton Mather stated unequivocally that the American Indian "...was known to consort with demons...." and that Mrs. Sherwood was "ducked" in Lynnhaven Bay to determine whether or not she was a witch, or that burning oak leaves on a cold axe was an efficacious way to treat an ear ache are not funny, silly, unreasonable, nonsense or any of those other nouns/adjectives. They were what the folks before us sincerely believed, and you know what?? They got along very well without our criticism, suggestions, "modern" ideas and methods. Let them rest where they now are. Reflect - as you do and surely SHOULD - yet always understand that many of our own ways will be so described in the year 2200 AD (the same number of years in the future as have passed since the Presidency of John Adams). So, it is fair for us to say, "THROUGH OUR SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS, we NOW know that settin' fire to oak leaves ain't gonna' help an ear ache," and "We NOW are convinced that taking old Elizabeth down Witch Duck Rd. in Norfolk didn't prove anything," it is pedestrian and very poor genealogy to say, "Those folks were silly in so believing." Paul "....Yes we "reflect." But since we can't change what happened in the past, how do > we stand in the "blame" department? Just curious." >

In researching my family I have found the my grandfathers ( William Capps 1789-1840 and his son John Capps Sr. 1815-1880) studied or completed the P. G. Fulkerson Papers. I am wondering if someone can compare this to some educational equivalency today. Were you considered ----where on the educational scale? Thanks Jesse Johnson

Hi Diana and all. In this short space, the subject of mixed marriages - White/Native American or (and) White/African - and the legal consequences can not be investigated. By 1702 the VA Legislature had strictly forbidden Black/White marriages, yet did not so act as to "Indian"/White relationships. Because the white men so outnumbered the women through most of the 17th century, both Blacks and native women served in the stead of white women. So, while intermarriage by White/Indian folks was not illegal, the parties, especially the white men, were looked upon with disdain in the more "civilized" eastern counties, with less scorn in the new counties west and south of Surry, IofW, Chas. City, Nansemond, etc., etc., and were simply ignored on the frontier still further west and into the mountain counties. Similarly, the parish priests and powers that were looked with whatever disdain was appropriate in the views of their own parishioners, lest they be "defrocked." All the while, White/Black interrelationships were scorned, illegal, and held in great contempt, legal and social. While I have frequently seen offspring of Black/White relationships labeled as "Mulato," I rather think that such was more likely a matter of finding a brand appropriate for the offspring of those relationships than were those determinations of precise genetics or lineage. Then too, we MUST be aware that the women who appeared to be of Native American blood, though actually were part Black or part BOTH Black and Native, and the men who "married" those same women, both hoped that some measure of social stigma might be avoided if she (or he, of course) could pass as part-Native American. Finally, after but a couple of generations, the descendants of such unions, through intermarriage with the more seemingly fashionable Whites, became indistinguishable from others of that more dominent lineage. So it was that, while one might have had a great-grandparent of another race, that fact might have become quite forgotten and no longer atall discernable in the appearances. It was such "quarteroons" or those of 1/8th or 1/16th Native or Black blood who, upon arrival in a "new" area of settlement, fresh from a move westwardly, were declared to be and surely appeared as "white" as did any others who might meet them. Crude and socially unacceptable as such words now would be, it then was often said, "After three or four generations, who can tell a good suntan from a half-breed?" I look forward to other comments re this very interesting subject. For all, I would suggest for further reading, LC69-18577, Ed., William Loren Katz, "The Negro In Virginia" (Arno Press and the New York Times, NY, 1969)

Paul, I agree totally that the past cannot be condemmed for having their views, however, it is essential to understand the prevailing laws and customs. I was about to post a query about such for a much earlier time and I had hoped you would be the one to answer. In any case, a thorough understanding of how to interpret records and their underlying regulations are a part of our research and an identification of families that may be mixed race is equally important. My query is about Brunswick-Lunenburg in the 1740's. Would there be any restrictions upon a man there with an Indian wife? I have found no mention of him in the Parish records though he is clearly there from 1744 until his death some 45 years later. I had supposed this was because he was a Baptist. It has now been suggested that his wife may have been Indian. I have questioned this as I do not see the opportunity of such a meeting nor do I see anything in the meager records. Now I wonder if this fact, meager records, is a clue in itself. His 8 children lived out their lives in VA and should have some indication of Mulatto or something shouldn't they? Thanks for your help. Diana Williams Searching Walling, Jones, Herd and Bryant

Each one of us, no matter whether we live now or 300 years ago, is a product of our society. We reflect the ideas that are/were prevalent at the time. Anyone looking back, and any one in the future looking back even at us today, should realize that. Kitty Paul Drake wrote: > > >Subject: Re: W. A. Plecker's Letter, > > > > > My Dear Friend ____; Thanks for sending along this material, > though you surely were not the author. My reaction is an immediate > one: I have NO patience whatever with those who would > suggest/demand that we somehow are responsible to, answerable for, > or should in any way be apologetic over the actions of those who > went before us. Equally, I hold quite in contempt those who, in the > name of free speech, human rights, or color of authority, do now (or > did so in the past) vent their prejudices and biases in the > direction of anyone who had to, would, or just might listen. > > I am firm in my view that our ancestors should be left quietly in > their graves, there to rest in peace - pleased with their > accomplishments and sorry for their failures - and answer to the > Almighty alone for their travesties, injustices and for holding > views and opinions that just happen to not correspond with those > notions held today by us, the would-be "educated," "enlightened" and > "sophisticated." > The freedom to speak our minds applies only to speech affecting or > relating to those with whom we must, do, should, or may in the > future live as fellow tenants on this little planet. Mr. Justice > Holmes said it best; "The thought that we should be judged by our > posterity is absurd." Paul > > > > > >I am forwarding this letter with permission of the Ashley-L list > > > owner. This > > > > > letter which discusses a dark period of Virginia's not so > > > distant history > > > > > should remind us all about just how prejudiced society can > be. > > > Plecker will > > > > > still in office in the early days of my own lifetime and > today > > > it is easy to > > > > > think that he would have been better suited working with > > Hitler > > > than with the > > > > > people of Virginia. He served during a period when Virginia > > > supposedly had > > > > > strong leaders such as Harry F Byrd; A. Willis Roberston > > (father > > > of Pat), > > > > > Colgate Darden, and many others. Living in West Point, VA > > > within 15 miles of > > > > > both the Pamunkey and Mattaponi Indian reservations, I am > > > frequently reminded > > > > > of the pain and shame that this man has caused the > > Commonwealth > > > and its > > > > > citizens. Some try to make excuses for him as "being part > of > > > the time", but > > > > > each man must be responsible for his own actions. > > > > > > > > > > Although I am no longer a member of Sizemore-L, I thought > that > > > this letter > > > > > might be appropriate to share with my many friends and > > relatives > > > on that List. > > > > > > > > > > Ron Blevins of West Point, VA > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > > ********** > > > > > > > > > > ******** > > > > > From: (Ethel) > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > Hello List, > > > > > > > > > > Many of us have ancestors that came from VA, and many of us > > also > > > have the > > > > > family legend of Indian blood. When we get back to older > > census > > > there was no > > > > > category for "Indian", so you may see your surnames listed > as > > > "white". > > > > > "black", "mulatto", and "spanish", "french" (in particular, > if > > > they have achieved the "cover" of > > > > > living as "white"), or any other race that would explain > their > > > darker skin. To our new > > > > > members, always check the surnames, regardless of race, as > > > basically there > > > > > were only "2" races, white and "colored". > > > > > > > > > > In case you have been stumped by not finding documents for > > some > > > of your > > > > > family,in particular in VA, because they may have had Indian > > > bloodlines, This letter > > > > > could be the reason. This was on my Five Civilized Tribes > > list. > > > I am sending this > > > > > to perhaps explain *why* some documents can't be found, even > > > though it is dated 1943. > > > > > Check the list of surnames that follow. I found several of > > mine, > > > and also > > > > > recognize several as being Cherokee. > > > > > > > > > This letter is sent to be information only. > > > > > > > > > > Ethel Taylor > > > > > List Manager > > > > > ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 11:22 PM > > > > > Subject: Plecker > > > > > > > > > > SMOKIN PLECKER'S LETTER > > > > > > > > > > W.A. Plecker MD, was a State office worker from the Virginia > > > Office of Vital > > > > > Statistics. Plecker regularly referred to Melungeons and > other > > > > > mixed-ancestry people as "mongrels" or "the mongrel races." > > > doing a great > > > > > unjustice to the people of mixed ancestry and leaving > bitter > > > taste in my > > > > > mouth. Thank God there aren't many > > > > > people of his thinking in this world. > > > > > > > > > > Page#1 Commonwealth of Virginia > > > > > Department of Health > > > > > Bureau of Vital Statistics > > > > > Richmond > > > > > > > > > > January 1943 > > > > > > > > > > Local Registrars, Physicians, Health > > > > > Officers, Nurses, School Superintendents > > > > > and Clerks of the Courts > > > > > > > > > > Dear Co-workers: > > > > > > > > > > Our December 1942 letter to local registrars, also mailed to > > the > > > clerks, set > > > > > forth the determined effort to escape from the negro race of > > > groups of > > > > > "free issues," or descendants of the "free mulattoes" of > early > > > days, so > > > > > listed prior to 1865 in the United States census and various > > > types > > > > > of State records, as distinguished from slave negroes. > > > > > > > > > > Now that these people are playing up the advantages gained > by > > > being permitted > > > > > to give "Indian" as the race of the child's parents on birth > > > certificates, > > > > > we see the great mistake made in not stopping earlier the > > > organized > > > > > propagation of this racial falsehood. > > > > > > > > > > They have been using the advantage thus gained as an aid to > > > intermarriage > > > > > into the white race and to attend white schools, and now > for > > > some time, they > > > > > have been > > > > > refusing to register with war draft boards as negroes, as > > > required by the > > > > > boards which are faithfully performing their duties. > > > > > Three of these negroes from Caroline County were sentenced > to > > > prison on > > > > > January 12 in the United States Court at Richmond for > > refusing > > > to obey the > > > > > draft law unless permitted to classify themselves as > > "Indians." > > > > > > > > > > Some of these mongrels, finding that they have been able to > > > sneak in their > > > > > birth certificates unchallenged as Indians are now making a > > rush > > > to register > > > > > as white. Upon investigation we find that a few local > > > registrars have been > > > > > permitting such certificates to pass through their hands > > > unquestioned and > > > > > without warning our office of the fraud. Those attempting > > this > > > fraud should > > > > > be warned that they are liable to > > > > > a penalty of one year in the penitentiary (Section 5099 of > > the > > > Code). > > > > > > > > > > Several clerks have likewise been actually granting them > > > licenses to marry > > > > > whites, or at least to marry amongst themselves as Indian or > > > white. The > > > > > danger of this error always confronts the clerk who does > not > > > inquire > > > > > carefully as to the residence of the > > > > > woman when he does not have positive information. The law > is > > > explicit that > > > > > the license be issued by the clerk of the county or city in > > > which the woman > > > > > resides. > > > > > > > > > > To aid all of you in determining just which are the mixed > > > families, we have > > > > > made > > > > > a list of their surnames by counties and cities, as complete > > as > > > possible at > > > > > this time. > > > > > This list should be preserved by all, even by those in > > counties > > > and cities > > > > > not included, as these people are moving around over the > > State > > > and > > > > > changing race at the new place. A family has just been > > > investigated which > > > > > was always recorded as negro around Glade Springs, > > Washington > > > County, but > > > > > which changed to white and married as such in Roanoke > County. > > > This is going > > > > > on constantly and can be prevented only by care on the part > > of > > > local > > > > > registrars, clerks, doctors, health workers, and school > > > authorities. > > > > > > > > > > Please report all known or suspicious cases to the Bureau of > > > Vital > > > > > Statistics, > > > > > giving names, ages, parents, and as much other information > as > > > possible. All > > > > > certificates of these people showing "Indian" or "white" > are > > > now being > > > > > rejected and returned to the physician or midwife, but local > > > registrars > > > > > hereafter must not permit them to pass their hands > > uncorrected > > > or > > > > > unchallenged and without a note of > > > > > warning to us. One hundred and fifty thousand other > > mulattoes > > > in Virginia > > > > > are > > > > > watching eagerly the attempt of their pseudo-Indian > > brethren, > > > ready to > > > > > follow in a rush when the first have made a break in the > > dike. > > > > > > > > > > Very truly yours, > > > > > (signature) W. A. Plecker, M.D. > > > > > State Registrar of Vital Statistics > > > > > > > > > > Page#2 SURNAMES, BY COUNTIES AND CITIES (illegible) > > > > > VIRGINIA > > > > > FAMILIES STRIVING TO PASS AS "INDIAN" AND/OR WHITE > > > > > > > > > > Albemarle: > > > > > Moon, Powell, Kidd, Pumphrey > > > > > > > > > > Amherst: (Migrants to Allegheney and Campbell) > > > > > Adcock (Adcox), Beverly (this famiy is now trying to evade > > the > > > situation by > > > > > adopting the name of Burch or Birch, which was the name of > > the > > > white > > > > > mother of the present adult generation), Branham, Duff, > > > Floyd, Hamilton, > > > > > Hartless, Hicks, Johns, Lawless, Nuckles (Knuckles), > > Painter, > > > Ramsey, > > > > > Redcross, Roberts, Southwards (Suthards, Southerds, > > > Southers), Sorrells, > > > > > Terry, Tyree, Willis, Clark, Cash, Wood > > > > > > > > > > Bedford: McVey, Maxey, Branham, Burley (See Amherst County) > > > > > > > > > > Rockbridge: (Migrants to Augusta) Cash, Clark, Coleman, > > Duff, > > > Floyd, > > > > > Hartless, Hicks, Mason, Mayse (Mays), Painters, Pults, > > Ramsey, > > > Southerds > > > > > (Southers, Southards, Suthards), Sorrell, Terry,Tyree, > Wood, > > > Johns > > > > > > > > > > Charles City: Collins, Dennis, Bradby, Howell, Langston, > > > Stewart, Wynn, > > > > > Custalow (Custaloo), Dungoe, Holmes, Miles, Page, > > > > > Allmond, Adams, Hawkes, Spurlock, Doggett > > > > > > > > > > New Kent: Collins, Bradby, Stewart, Wynn, Adkins, Langston > > > > > > > > > > Henrico and Richmond City: See Charles City, New > > > > > Kent, and King William > > > > > > > > > > Caroline: Byrd, Fortune, Nelson. (See Essex) > > > > > > > > > > Essex and King and Queen: Nelson, Fortune, Byrd, Cooper, > > Tate, > > > Hammond, > > > > > Brooks, Boughton, Prince, Mitchell, Robinson > > > > > > > > > > Elizabeth City & Newport News: Stewart (descendants of > > Charles > > > City > > > > > families). > > > > > > > > > > Halifax: Epps (Eppes), Stewart (Stuart), Coleman, Johnson, > > > Martin, Talley, > > > > > Sheppard (Shepard), Young. > > > > > > > > > > Norfolk County & Portsmouth: Sawyer, Bass, Weaver, Locklear > > > (Locklair), > > > > > King, > > > > > Bright, Porter > > > > > > > > > > Westmoreland: Sorrells, Worlds (or Worrell), Atwells, > > > Butridge, Okiff. > > > > > > > > > > Greene: Shifflett, Shiflet > > > > > > > > > > Prince William: Tyson, Segar. (See Fauquier) > > > > > > > > > > Fauquier: Hoffman (Huffman), Riley, Colvin, Phillips. (See > > > Prince William) > > > > > > > > > > Lancaster: Dorsey (Dawson) > > > > > > > > > > Washington: Beverly, Barlow, Thomas, Hughes, Lethcoe, > Worley > > > > > > > > > > Roanoke County: Beverly (See Washington) > > > > > > > > > > Lee and Smyth: Collins, Gibson, (Gipson), Moore, Goins, > > Ramsey, > > > Delph, Bunch, > > > > > Freeman, Mise, Barlow, Bolden (Bolin), Mullins, > > awkins. - > > > Chiefly > > > > > Tennessee > > > > > "Melungeons." > > > > > > > > > > Scott: Dingus (See Lee County) > > > > > > > > > > Russell: Keith, Castell, Stillwell, Meade, Proffitt. (See > > Lee > > > and Tazewell) > > > > > > > > > > Tazewell: Hammed, Duncan. (See Russell) > > > > > > > > > > Wise: See Lee, Scott, Smyth, and Russell Counties. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGW Archives Pension Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pensions/ > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Hello Everyone, I am going on a vacation to Missouri (Dade & Lawrence Co MO, where my parents families were from the 1850s) and to Ruston LA, to help sister, and cousin take care of my late Aunt's house, estate, etc. I am going to resubscribe to another screen name janmim2@aol.com, so I can continue receiving mail here without my mailbox filling up, but I have no idea where I access it, hopefully a library, so you will probably be able to keep in touch with me privately. Hope you all continue to enjoy the summer. Best Regards, Janet (Baugh) Hunter

> >Subject: Re: W. A. Plecker's Letter, > > My Dear Friend ____; Thanks for sending along this material, though you surely were not the author. My reaction is an immediate one: I have NO patience whatever with those who would suggest/demand that we somehow are responsible to, answerable for, or should in any way be apologetic over the actions of those who went before us. Equally, I hold quite in contempt those who, in the name of free speech, human rights, or color of authority, do now (or did so in the past) vent their prejudices and biases in the direction of anyone who had to, would, or just might listen. I am firm in my view that our ancestors should be left quietly in their graves, there to rest in peace - pleased with their accomplishments and sorry for their failures - and answer to the Almighty alone for their travesties, injustices and for holding views and opinions that just happen to not correspond with those notions held today by us, the would-be "educated," "enlightened" and "sophisticated." The freedom to speak our minds applies only to speech affecting or relating to those with whom we must, do, should, or may in the future live as fellow tenants on this little planet. Mr. Justice Holmes said it best; "The thought that we should be judged by our posterity is absurd." Paul > > > >I am forwarding this letter with permission of the Ashley-L list > > owner. This > > > > letter which discusses a dark period of Virginia's not so > > distant history > > > > should remind us all about just how prejudiced society can be. > > Plecker will > > > > still in office in the early days of my own lifetime and today > > it is easy to > > > > think that he would have been better suited working with > Hitler > > than with the > > > > people of Virginia. He served during a period when Virginia > > supposedly had > > > > strong leaders such as Harry F Byrd; A. Willis Roberston > (father > > of Pat), > > > > Colgate Darden, and many others. Living in West Point, VA > > within 15 miles of > > > > both the Pamunkey and Mattaponi Indian reservations, I am > > frequently reminded > > > > of the pain and shame that this man has caused the > Commonwealth > > and its > > > > citizens. Some try to make excuses for him as "being part of > > the time", but > > > > each man must be responsible for his own actions. > > > > > > > > Although I am no longer a member of Sizemore-L, I thought that > > this letter > > > > might be appropriate to share with my many friends and > relatives > > on that List. > > > > > > > > Ron Blevins of West Point, VA > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > ********** > > > > > > > > ******** > > > > From: (Ethel) > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Hello List, > > > > > > > > Many of us have ancestors that came from VA, and many of us > also > > have the > > > > family legend of Indian blood. When we get back to older > census > > there was no > > > > category for "Indian", so you may see your surnames listed as > > "white". > > > > "black", "mulatto", and "spanish", "french" (in particular, if > > they have achieved the "cover" of > > > > living as "white"), or any other race that would explain their > > darker skin. To our new > > > > members, always check the surnames, regardless of race, as > > basically there > > > > were only "2" races, white and "colored". > > > > > > > > In case you have been stumped by not finding documents for > some > > of your > > > > family,in particular in VA, because they may have had Indian > > bloodlines, This letter > > > > could be the reason. This was on my Five Civilized Tribes > list. > > I am sending this > > > > to perhaps explain *why* some documents can't be found, even > > though it is dated 1943. > > > > Check the list of surnames that follow. I found several of > mine, > > and also > > > > recognize several as being Cherokee. > > > > > > > This letter is sent to be information only. > > > > > > > > Ethel Taylor > > > > List Manager > > > > ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 11:22 PM > > > > Subject: Plecker > > > > > > > > SMOKIN PLECKER'S LETTER > > > > > > > > W.A. Plecker MD, was a State office worker from the Virginia > > Office of Vital > > > > Statistics. Plecker regularly referred to Melungeons and other > > > > mixed-ancestry people as "mongrels" or "the mongrel races." > > doing a great > > > > unjustice to the people of mixed ancestry and leaving bitter > > taste in my > > > > mouth. Thank God there aren't many > > > > people of his thinking in this world. > > > > > > > > Page#1 Commonwealth of Virginia > > > > Department of Health > > > > Bureau of Vital Statistics > > > > Richmond > > > > > > > > January 1943 > > > > > > > > Local Registrars, Physicians, Health > > > > Officers, Nurses, School Superintendents > > > > and Clerks of the Courts > > > > > > > > Dear Co-workers: > > > > > > > > Our December 1942 letter to local registrars, also mailed to > the > > clerks, set > > > > forth the determined effort to escape from the negro race of > > groups of > > > > "free issues," or descendants of the "free mulattoes" of early > > days, so > > > > listed prior to 1865 in the United States census and various > > types > > > > of State records, as distinguished from slave negroes. > > > > > > > > Now that these people are playing up the advantages gained by > > being permitted > > > > to give "Indian" as the race of the child's parents on birth > > certificates, > > > > we see the great mistake made in not stopping earlier the > > organized > > > > propagation of this racial falsehood. > > > > > > > > They have been using the advantage thus gained as an aid to > > intermarriage > > > > into the white race and to attend white schools, and now for > > some time, they > > > > have been > > > > refusing to register with war draft boards as negroes, as > > required by the > > > > boards which are faithfully performing their duties. > > > > Three of these negroes from Caroline County were sentenced to > > prison on > > > > January 12 in the United States Court at Richmond for > refusing > > to obey the > > > > draft law unless permitted to classify themselves as > "Indians." > > > > > > > > Some of these mongrels, finding that they have been able to > > sneak in their > > > > birth certificates unchallenged as Indians are now making a > rush > > to register > > > > as white. Upon investigation we find that a few local > > registrars have been > > > > permitting such certificates to pass through their hands > > unquestioned and > > > > without warning our office of the fraud. Those attempting > this > > fraud should > > > > be warned that they are liable to > > > > a penalty of one year in the penitentiary (Section 5099 of > the > > Code). > > > > > > > > Several clerks have likewise been actually granting them > > licenses to marry > > > > whites, or at least to marry amongst themselves as Indian or > > white. The > > > > danger of this error always confronts the clerk who does not > > inquire > > > > carefully as to the residence of the > > > > woman when he does not have positive information. The law is > > explicit that > > > > the license be issued by the clerk of the county or city in > > which the woman > > > > resides. > > > > > > > > To aid all of you in determining just which are the mixed > > families, we have > > > > made > > > > a list of their surnames by counties and cities, as complete > as > > possible at > > > > this time. > > > > This list should be preserved by all, even by those in > counties > > and cities > > > > not included, as these people are moving around over the > State > > and > > > > changing race at the new place. A family has just been > > investigated which > > > > was always recorded as negro around Glade Springs, > Washington > > County, but > > > > which changed to white and married as such in Roanoke County. > > This is going > > > > on constantly and can be prevented only by care on the part > of > > local > > > > registrars, clerks, doctors, health workers, and school > > authorities. > > > > > > > > Please report all known or suspicious cases to the Bureau of > > Vital > > > > Statistics, > > > > giving names, ages, parents, and as much other information as > > possible. All > > > > certificates of these people showing "Indian" or "white" are > > now being > > > > rejected and returned to the physician or midwife, but local > > registrars > > > > hereafter must not permit them to pass their hands > uncorrected > > or > > > > unchallenged and without a note of > > > > warning to us. One hundred and fifty thousand other > mulattoes > > in Virginia > > > > are > > > > watching eagerly the attempt of their pseudo-Indian > brethren, > > ready to > > > > follow in a rush when the first have made a break in the > dike. > > > > > > > > Very truly yours, > > > > (signature) W. A. Plecker, M.D. > > > > State Registrar of Vital Statistics > > > > > > > > Page#2 SURNAMES, BY COUNTIES AND CITIES (illegible) > > > > VIRGINIA > > > > FAMILIES STRIVING TO PASS AS "INDIAN" AND/OR WHITE > > > > > > > > Albemarle: > > > > Moon, Powell, Kidd, Pumphrey > > > > > > > > Amherst: (Migrants to Allegheney and Campbell) > > > > Adcock (Adcox), Beverly (this famiy is now trying to evade > the > > situation by > > > > adopting the name of Burch or Birch, which was the name of > the > > white > > > > mother of the present adult generation), Branham, Duff, > > Floyd, Hamilton, > > > > Hartless, Hicks, Johns, Lawless, Nuckles (Knuckles), > Painter, > > Ramsey, > > > > Redcross, Roberts, Southwards (Suthards, Southerds, > > Southers), Sorrells, > > > > Terry, Tyree, Willis, Clark, Cash, Wood > > > > > > > > Bedford: McVey, Maxey, Branham, Burley (See Amherst County) > > > > > > > > Rockbridge: (Migrants to Augusta) Cash, Clark, Coleman, > Duff, > > Floyd, > > > > Hartless, Hicks, Mason, Mayse (Mays), Painters, Pults, > Ramsey, > > Southerds > > > > (Southers, Southards, Suthards), Sorrell, Terry,Tyree, Wood, > > Johns > > > > > > > > Charles City: Collins, Dennis, Bradby, Howell, Langston, > > Stewart, Wynn, > > > > Custalow (Custaloo), Dungoe, Holmes, Miles, Page, > > > > Allmond, Adams, Hawkes, Spurlock, Doggett > > > > > > > > New Kent: Collins, Bradby, Stewart, Wynn, Adkins, Langston > > > > > > > > Henrico and Richmond City: See Charles City, New > > > > Kent, and King William > > > > > > > > Caroline: Byrd, Fortune, Nelson. (See Essex) > > > > > > > > Essex and King and Queen: Nelson, Fortune, Byrd, Cooper, > Tate, > > Hammond, > > > > Brooks, Boughton, Prince, Mitchell, Robinson > > > > > > > > Elizabeth City & Newport News: Stewart (descendants of > Charles > > City > > > > families). > > > > > > > > Halifax: Epps (Eppes), Stewart (Stuart), Coleman, Johnson, > > Martin, Talley, > > > > Sheppard (Shepard), Young. > > > > > > > > Norfolk County & Portsmouth: Sawyer, Bass, Weaver, Locklear > > (Locklair), > > > > King, > > > > Bright, Porter > > > > > > > > Westmoreland: Sorrells, Worlds (or Worrell), Atwells, > > Butridge, Okiff. > > > > > > > > Greene: Shifflett, Shiflet > > > > > > > > Prince William: Tyson, Segar. (See Fauquier) > > > > > > > > Fauquier: Hoffman (Huffman), Riley, Colvin, Phillips. (See > > Prince William) > > > > > > > > Lancaster: Dorsey (Dawson) > > > > > > > > Washington: Beverly, Barlow, Thomas, Hughes, Lethcoe, Worley > > > > > > > > Roanoke County: Beverly (See Washington) > > > > > > > > Lee and Smyth: Collins, Gibson, (Gipson), Moore, Goins, > Ramsey, > > Delph, Bunch, > > > > Freeman, Mise, Barlow, Bolden (Bolin), Mullins, > awkins. - > > Chiefly > > > > Tennessee > > > > "Melungeons." > > > > > > > > Scott: Dingus (See Lee County) > > > > > > > > Russell: Keith, Castell, Stillwell, Meade, Proffitt. (See > Lee > > and Tazewell) > > > > > > > > Tazewell: Hammed, Duncan. (See Russell) > > > > > > > > Wise: See Lee, Scott, Smyth, and Russell Counties. > > > > > > > > >

Thanks to all of you , and especially Paul , for your responses to my deed question. I could not figure out how Brown, my ancestor, could legally buy land at 18 years of age. Now I know he couldn't. Marietta

Simply stated: I think that to which you refer was the attempt of Aug. 1779 by the Continental Congress to gain peace with Britain. All the colonies appointed representatives to undertake to determine what terms might be proposed. John Adams represented the Colonies in the final proposition to the Crown. Needless to say, the effort failed. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <LCandBC@aol.com> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:55 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Virginia Commission of the Peace? > On August 27, 1779 the Henry Count court recommeded to the Governor that > Patrick Henry, Abraham Penn, Archelaus Hughes, Robert Hairston and others to > serve on the "Commission of the Peace." In 1782 another reference was made > in the Henry County records in connection with one of the above men > indicating it was somewhat a honor to be name to this commission. > What was the motivation for and function of this commission? Was it > strictly a move on the part of Virginia to make peace with Great Britain, or > were there counterparts in the other former colonies? Or am I placing the > wrong interpretation on what this commission was set up for. Help me > understand. > Larry > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Digital Maps Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/ > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Greetings, I am repeating a previous offer. I have a book sent to me as a gift by a friend who found it while passing through Halifax County Va. The book is titled: "The History of the Education of Black Citizens in Halifax County: 1866-1969." The book was written by W. C. Edwards (W. C. Edwards, served as Principal of the school from 1934 to 1966), Preston M. Royster, and Lazarus Bates, (Lazarus followed W. C. Edwards as Principal). The book was published in 1979 by Bannister Press, Springfield, VA. It was purchased at: South Boston Historical Museum, 801 N. Main Street, South Boston, Va. 24592 Tel--- 804-572-9200. The book is soft cover, cost abt $6, + shipping, and contains 261 pages, I have no connection with this book---- you pays your money, and you takes your chances. I am giving this info only because someone might be able to use it. The book contains some history on black education in Halifax Co. Va. Chapter 2 in the book gives some history on the earliest black schools, such as: 1. The Antrim Church and Mission School, 2. McKinley Institute 3. Williams Normal and Industrial Institute, aka Williams Normal and previously known as the South Boston (VA) Institute. 4. Mizpath Elementary School. 5. The School In The Backyard. === Chapter 4 mentions 1. Booker T. Washington High School 1930-1948, serving only South Boston Va. later merged with Halifax Training School. The names of the five Principals of Booker T. are given. 2. Halifax Training School 1920-1956, The names of the five principals are given. The name was changed in 1956 to Mary M. Bethune High School 1956-1969 ====== There are names in the book of graduates from the all black "Halifax Training School," later renamed "Mary M. Bethune High School." The years for which graduates names are printed are, 1936 through 1969. In chapter 8 of the book are "SUCCESS STORIES," giving some history of graduates after they left the Halifax Schools. This book also gave names of the persons on the teaching staff, information on the years they taught, types of certificate or degree they held, the College/University they attended, subjects they were authorized to teach, taught, and period of employment. I will do lookups of Graduates, and Staff. In order to avoid clogging up the list for those not interested, I will not answer requests posted to this list. Send your request to me privately at: Lchand3835@aol.com Larry.