Just a tiny addendum to what Paul said.....The woman is "examined" SEPERATELY. This is done to insure that her husband, who is present, is not forcing or pressuring her to agree to the transfer or sale. The men questioning her usually have her interest at heart as well as the legal power to stop something if indeed she does not want to sign. Fondly, Margaret

See my response at the asterisks **** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Gurley" <tmgurley@swbell.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 6:58 AM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Legal phrases > Going through some court documents circa 1750 and can't figure out the > following statement that keeps appearing in different ways but, the basic > wording is very similar. > > "An Indenture of Testamant between Walter Bayley of the one part and Albert > Bayley of the other part and a memorandium of Livery of seizin thereon end > ___ were acknowledged by the said Walter and ordered to be recorded." > > What is the fourth word is it testament *** yep; testament, meaning "to attest" or "as evidence of the transaction" > I understand what "Livery of seizin" is. ***Means to give over possession How long was this the practice. *** In theory, land could be conveyed and the granting of possession could yet be called "livery of seizen" - which means delivery of possession/ownership > What does this mean what is Walter giving to Albert? ***Not giving him anythoing as far as you have told us; is transferring some interest in land. > Why in many of these statements, the wife has to "be examined to give up *** Women had to consent to the sale of any land by the husband, in order that she not later claim the "dower rights" in that tract. Women were entitled to SOME interest in all land bought during the marriage, however she "owned" nothing except those rights provided by law. > her dower rights" > In other statements I see Indenture of Bargain - what is the difference? ***For your purposes and research , there is almost no difference whatever.

Going through some court documents circa 1750 and can't figure out the following statement that keeps appearing in different ways but, the basic wording is very similar. "An Indenture of Testamant between Walter Bayley of the one part and Albert Bayley of the other part and a memorandium of Livery of seizin thereon end ___ were acknowledged by the said Walter and ordered to be recorded." What is the fourth word is it testament, transport, tripart or something else? I understand what "Livery of seizin" is. How long was this the practice. What does this mean what is Walter giving to Albert? Why in many of these statements, the wife has to "be examined to give up her dower rights" In other statements I see Indenture of Bargain - what is the difference? Thanks in advance, Ted Gurley

Simply put, they were to do an enumeration of - count - the people in that Parish. Such counts were sometimes required, since very often the parish boundaries were not the same as the county boundaries. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carla Welburn" <calamity45@qwest.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:58 AM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Dividing Brunswick County > Could someone please explain what this means? This was taken from Notes > from the records of Greensville county, 1781 when dividing Brunswick > County. > > William Maclin, William Watson and Jordan Richardson are appointed to > take the number of Souls in Saint Andrew's Parish in this County > according to Law. > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > The USGenWeb Project http://www.usgenweb.org > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Could someone please explain what this means? This was taken from Notes from the records of Greensville county, 1781 when dividing Brunswick County. William Maclin, William Watson and Jordan Richardson are appointed to take the number of Souls in Saint Andrew's Parish in this County according to Law.

Many ,many thanks to all that answered my query about the possible "original" name for Dicy! I must have received more than a dozen possible names including Diana, Candace, Laodicea, Malissa. Thanks again for your input! Donna Rochelle/Padgett/King and related lines VA/NC and wherever they are..

Greetings The Halifax County Cemetery books give scant information on locations of the cemeteries listed. Someone has been kind enough to take the time to send me instructions on how to reach the Oakland Cemetery in Scottsburg, Va (the books only provide it's location as Scottsburg, Va .) I think this is a great idea for those wishing to know more precisly where a cemetery of interest to them is located, and if they wish, directions on how to get there. The directions sent to me follow: ------------------------------------------------------------- Heading east from state route 360 towards Scottsburg on state route 344 you drive through the town and as you exit the town you take the left fork, state route 720. Oakland Cemetery is just a short distance out of town and is on the left side of the road. The entrance is marked by 2 brick pillars. The left has a stone with the cemetery name and the year 1894. The right pillar has the names of the founders. ---------------------------------------------------- I think this is a great idea ! With this in mind I am asking any of you guys that have knowledge of directions to reach any of the Cemeteries in Halifax County, Va. to send them to me, and I will try to preserve them for those who need the info now or in the future. I will post the cemeteries 10 at a time for a short while to see if it works. If you or someone you know can give directions to any of them, please send the directions to me. If the idea dies, I tried. First 10 Cemeteries. CEM# NAME LOCATION 001 AVERY FAMILY CEMETERY---- Hwy. 832, Meadsville va 002 SNEED FAMILY CEMETERY---- Hwy. 601, High Hill area 003 BELLE VIEW ----------------------- Has not been located. Info from Barksdale genealogy 004 BELLEVUE ---------------------- Hwy 729, South Boston Va. 005 BLACK WALNUT ------------------- Hwy. 600, north of Clover, Va. 006 HOWERTON FAMILY ------------- Hwy. 718 near Denniston, Va 007 BLOOMSBURG ---------------- Hwy. 58 east near Turbeville. 008 BLUE CEDARS --------------------- Hwy. 360, near Halifax, Va. 009 BRADLEY/JONES/EPPERSON Hwy. 643 near McKendree Church. 010 BREWER-TUCKER FAMILY ---- Hwy. 703 near Glenwood U. M.C.

Jackson's TRUXTON was by *[imported]DIOMED x NANCY COLEMAN by Batte & Maclin's YOUNG FEARNOUGHT by *FEARNOUGHT. NANCY COLEMAN was bred and owned by John Verrell, Dinwiddie cty., VA. Re. *FEARNOUGHT 1759-63 on the turf in England 1764 sent to Virginia 1765-73 at J. Baylor's in Caroline Co., VA 1774-76 at E. Edwards', Hicks Ford, in Brunswick Co., VA 1776 died Brunswick cty., VA at 21 There were several other FEARNOUGHTs in 18th & early 19th cent. VA, NC, etc., some but not all being the direct progeny of *FEARNOUGHT. These include, but are not limited to: Dandridge's Goldsmith's Mellichamp's, Braxton's ("Cripple") Randolph's ("Second") Nelson's ("Muzzle") (The main ref. for info above is F. Harrison's EARLY AMERICAN TURF STOCK, Vols. I & II. 1934. Richmond. Old Dominion Press.) Rgds., Judy Baugh > > Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] horses > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:10:52 -0500 > From: "Paul Drake" <martee@citlink.net> > To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com > > Can anyone help????????????? I have been asked: > > > Do you know where I > > > would find pedigrees of racing horses at the Gallatin track? In > > particular, > > > I would like to trace Truxton, owned by Andrew Jackson. > Truxton's > > grandsire > > > was Fearnaught who, I believe, was owned by my great x 4 > > grandfather. I > > > know Truxton's parentage and grandparentage but I don't know the > > owners of > > > those horses. I have been told there is information on > > horseracing at MTSU > > > in Murfreesboro and that there may be records at The Hermitage. > > > > > I responded: > > >....I well know of AJ's > > "Truxton" and of the famous race in the bottoms off Lebanon Rd. in > > now Nashville, TN. I am told - THOUGH I DO NOT KNOW - that there > is > > a thoroughbred horse association that maintains lineage of many > > horses, including Truxton and some of the early fine VA horses, > such as > > Terpsichor. Then too, ...I > > believe that museum at Louisville could answer your inquiry. Why > > not check on the net?.... > > Paul >

From the erudite Dr. Don Hardison: A very thought-provoking note re the perspective of our ancestors. Worth thinking about. Paul >>Always amazing why people ask certain questions. Like the > wonderful quote > > from Willie Sutton: why do you rob banks? ANS: 'Cause that's > where the > > money is. > > > > I'm still amazed that they could sail a ship from England and hit > the NA > > continent -- to imagine that those little cockleshells could > patrol and find > > pirates defies even my vivid and over-active imagination. All one > needs to > > do is get in a small boat and get out of sight of land to realize > just how > > VAST those areas are. And, as you point out, motivation must > play a role > > in the pursuit and "discouragement" of piracy. > > > > Ah, human bahavior. . . . . > >

Paul and All: In the book "The Secret Diary of William Byrd", he mentions the pirates operating along the Carolina coast and the arrival of the ship bearing Teaches' head.. The "diary" is a very interesting book which I happend to find in our local communtiy college library.. It is very enlightening on the government and everyday life of the period around 1700 in Jamestown and the Colony of Va.. G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

I'm not an expert but- In Louisville I would try the Kentucky Derby Museum first, they had at the time I went listed all the way back to 1700 lineage of horses and owners. U of KY in Lexington, also in Lexington is the Horse Park, and the Ky horse center, why not try the Churchill Downs. Versailles in where most of the breeding farms are. The older ones are still outside Lexington and Louisville. Quan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Drake" <martee@citlink.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:10 AM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] horses > Can anyone help????????????? I have been asked: > > > Do you know where I > > > would find pedigrees of racing horses at the Gallatin track? In > > particular, > > > I would like to trace Truxton, owned by Andrew Jackson. > Truxton's > > grandsire > > > was Fearnaught who, I believe, was owned by my great x 4 > > grandfather. I > > > know Truxton's parentage and grandparentage but I don't know the > > owners of > > > those horses. I have been told there is information on > > horseracing at MTSU > > > in Murfreesboro and that there may be records at The Hermitage. > > > > > I responded: > > >....I well know of AJ's > > "Truxton" and of the famous race in the bottoms off Lebanon Rd. in > > now Nashville, TN. I am told - THOUGH I DO NOT KNOW - that there > is > > a thoroughbred horse association that maintains lineage of many > > horses, including Truxton and some of the early fine VA horses, > such as > > Terpsichor. Then too, ...I > > believe that museum at Louisville could answer your inquiry. Why > > not check on the net?.... > > Paul > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Can anyone help????????????? I have been asked: > Do you know where I > > would find pedigrees of racing horses at the Gallatin track? In > particular, > > I would like to trace Truxton, owned by Andrew Jackson. Truxton's > grandsire > > was Fearnaught who, I believe, was owned by my great x 4 > grandfather. I > > know Truxton's parentage and grandparentage but I don't know the > owners of > > those horses. I have been told there is information on > horseracing at MTSU > > in Murfreesboro and that there may be records at The Hermitage. > > I responded: >....I well know of AJ's > "Truxton" and of the famous race in the bottoms off Lebanon Rd. in > now Nashville, TN. I am told - THOUGH I DO NOT KNOW - that there is > a thoroughbred horse association that maintains lineage of many > horses, including Truxton and some of the early fine VA horses, such as > Terpsichor. Then too, ...I > believe that museum at Louisville could answer your inquiry. Why > not check on the net?.... Paul

I have been asked "Why there were so many pirates operating in the late 17th- and early 18th-centuries along the VA/Carolina coasts"? and why the "government" did not do anything about it??? In short, the money was here and the law was not. Gold, silver and valuable cargo were shipped daily in big merchant vessels only lightly armed. Those went from the Caribbean areas and, to a lesser degree from our own shipping centers on the East Coast. We had no national government, no Navy, and no forces other than those supplied by the British - we were English men and women, and we looked across the ocean for protection. So, while the colonial governors and proprietors could request military help, it was slow in being authorized and slower in coming by reason of 5 to 10 weeks being required for the transoceanic passage, one way. Thus, this land being SO remote from the rest of the world and having a thousand coves and inlets in which to find haven, the pirates operated almost with impunity. The maps of the Carolina coasts still show "Teach's Channel" and "Teachs Cove"; Teach was Blackbeard. Notice, too, that ONLY the merchants and the richest of us gave a hoot, since pirates stole only those items that the wealthy coveted; a colonial farmer was not interested in having a sword run through him in any fight to prevent a loss of money or silk by the rich. Interestingly, the Governor was aroused to great effort by very irate merchants, ship owners and wealthy shippers, and in late 1719 (November, as I recall) Teach and his crew were killed and/or captured in Albermarle Sound(?) or nearby. To the cheers of the people, it is said, his head swung from the bowsprit of one of several small Colonial fighting ships as those sailed back into James River off James City, Surry and IofW. Anybody out there an expert in pirates?; speak up, if you are, since I am not. Paul

This is a test to see if I can get thru to Va-Southside.

<< In a message dated 7/30/01 1:24:20 PM, Krysteria@aol.com writes: << Would anyone happen to know if "Dicy" was a nickname and what the Christian name might have been. >> Hi, the name Dicey is also a nickname for Laodicea. It's biblical. See: 1 Corinthians 16:19, Colossians 2:1, Revalations 3:14, 16, 18. For a page on "Daring Dicey"--Laodicea Langston Springfield, see her biography at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/2932/dicey.html Maureen Mead mmeadpond@aol.com

Dicey/Dicy/Dicie is a clue name for Virginia. It occurs in Virginia in the colonial period as a nickname for Diana. If one is looking for a possible family connection in colonial Virginia, look for an earlier Diana. Dicy was used in the 1800s as a nickname for faddish/fanciful/flowery names, such as Boadicea, Laodicea, Eurydyce. It was used for Candace (3 syllables) and even Dorcas. Like so many other nicknames, Dicey became a standalone name in the 1800s. Dicey did not get started as a nickname in New England, because of Diana's pagan connotations. Around 1800, the use of "sy/cy" nicknames was more common in Virginia than in Massachusetts, with the exception of Betsy which was common in both. --Ida Skarson McCormick, idamc@seanet.com, Seattle At 08:01 PM 07/29/2001 -0400, "Donna" <KENNEDYQT@aol.com> wrote: >Would anyone happen to know if "Dicy" was a nickname and what the Christian >name might have been. <snip>

And here I thought the lists were so quiet! I have had many responses to my e-mail address plus this from our erudite friend, Paul. Having been in both Dinwiddie CH and Sussex CH, I can certainly appreciate the picture you have painted, Paul. If we were to fill in some of the background details by adding the excitement of trading days or court days or little fairs or even the excitement of a horserace, I guess we could see this little village bursting at the seams on some days or languishing in the heat of a too long summer day on others. Virginia has kept its charm and beauty in its little villages. I wish I could say the same of the little towns I have grown up in which have been swallowed up by huge cities and suburban sprawl. It would have been perfect had the information read, "This child was born in Dinwiddie CH at the home of his grandfather because his father was at war." Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Drake" <martee@citlink.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] CH Birth > To make a very long explanation very short, the history of the South > (unlike the North) - especially Virginia - rendered the plantation - > large farm - almost a necessity. The result was that the > courthouses to which all HAD to go now and then for taxes, business, > etc. were placed out not far from the centers of the areas > popukation. Around those courthouse were found a few inns, > restaurants, blacksmiths, and a very few needed businesses. Since > most everyday needs were met by the plantation itself, there was > seldom other than those mentioned to go to the courthouse. SO, > those little comunities were very slow in growing. Accordingly, the > courthouse itself was a handy way of describing it, its attendant > offices, and those few little artisans and purveyors who were > nearby. So, Sussex county seat is Sussex Courthouse; Appomattox > Courthouse was/in Appomattox County, etc. If your ancestor was said > to be born at "____ Courthouse" then that family either had a mail > delivery station there - later "post offices" - or lived close > enough by to be identified as being from that tiny community. As > often as not, unlike in the North, the courthouses were near the > center of the population, while the "cities" grew at the mouths of > rivers and at the seaports; those, by reason of commerce moving by > the great rivers and harbors of VA. This is very simplified; > perhaps others will add further facts to these. Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Scott Wyche" <robertw@att.net> > To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:38 PM > Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] CH Birth > > > > Being from Texas where the towns are not separate from the county > they sit > > in the middle of, I am a bit curious about the Virginia > designation of CH, > > as in Dinwiddie CH. > > > > I understand that CH refers to the courthouse, but I have someone > who was > > born at Dinwiddie CH. Now I am pretty sure he wasn't born AT the > > courthouse, so does this mean he was born in the little town > itself, that > > maybe his mother lived in this town when he was born? > > > > The date of birth is about 1812/3. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Barbara Wyche > > robertw@att.net > > > > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > > VAGenWeb > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Can anyone tell me where Walkers Courthouse was in Buckingham in 1790? Is it the present day Appamattox Courthouse. I think it was somewhere between Hixburg where Walkers Church is and Appamattox Courthouse It is mentioned in a deed of James Walker, father of Agnes Walker Jones Lewis. If anyone has any data on this place or the families of Walker and Lewis. please write me or this board.

To make a very long explanation very short, the history of the South (unlike the North) - especially Virginia - rendered the plantation - large farm - almost a necessity. The result was that the courthouses to which all HAD to go now and then for taxes, business, etc. were placed out not far from the centers of the areas popukation. Around those courthouse were found a few inns, restaurants, blacksmiths, and a very few needed businesses. Since most everyday needs were met by the plantation itself, there was seldom other than those mentioned to go to the courthouse. SO, those little comunities were very slow in growing. Accordingly, the courthouse itself was a handy way of describing it, its attendant offices, and those few little artisans and purveyors who were nearby. So, Sussex county seat is Sussex Courthouse; Appomattox Courthouse was/in Appomattox County, etc. If your ancestor was said to be born at "____ Courthouse" then that family either had a mail delivery station there - later "post offices" - or lived close enough by to be identified as being from that tiny community. As often as not, unlike in the North, the courthouses were near the center of the population, while the "cities" grew at the mouths of rivers and at the seaports; those, by reason of commerce moving by the great rivers and harbors of VA. This is very simplified; perhaps others will add further facts to these. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Scott Wyche" <robertw@att.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] CH Birth > Being from Texas where the towns are not separate from the county they sit > in the middle of, I am a bit curious about the Virginia designation of CH, > as in Dinwiddie CH. > > I understand that CH refers to the courthouse, but I have someone who was > born at Dinwiddie CH. Now I am pretty sure he wasn't born AT the > courthouse, so does this mean he was born in the little town itself, that > maybe his mother lived in this town when he was born? > > The date of birth is about 1812/3. > > Thanks in advance, > Barbara Wyche > robertw@att.net > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

Being from Texas where the towns are not separate from the county they sit in the middle of, I am a bit curious about the Virginia designation of CH, as in Dinwiddie CH. I understand that CH refers to the courthouse, but I have someone who was born at Dinwiddie CH. Now I am pretty sure he wasn't born AT the courthouse, so does this mean he was born in the little town itself, that maybe his mother lived in this town when he was born? The date of birth is about 1812/3. Thanks in advance, Barbara Wyche robertw@att.net