Margaret is surely correct, as usual. "Milk-toast" was for old folks with no teeth or ongoing digestive problems (or occasional ones, as well) and was for children, especially those with but few teeth. It also took the place of ground food - meats, vegetables, etc - for tiny children, and was much less work for the mothers. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Driskill" <mdriskill@worldnet.att.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Wm Byrd's Diary -- BOILED MILK? > I am going to jump in on this one because I think I know the answer. My > mother fixed it on occasion and I hated it. > > You heat milk. Place a piece of buttered toast in a bowl and pour the milk > over it. It is called milk-toast. UCK!!!! > > Fond childhood memories most of the time. :) > Margaret > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Paul and Others... To get things rolling, I returned from a three week plus vacation/estate settlement for my aunt to Ruston LA (home of the Techsters..and yes the Bulldogs, next door to Grambling where we attended a zydeco concert), and Dade & Lawrence Co MO, staying in Joplin, via a brief but noteworthy trip to Benton Co Ar. I have been catching up at work, and thinking about the research/visits with relatives I made, so haven't participated much. However, I take a bus/subway to work and needed reading material. I checked a very abridged version of Wm Byrd's Secret Diaries from the library which looked just perfect for commuter reading....BUT His obsession with eating only ONE item every meal (he lapses sometimes) is quite interesting....My question is: What exactly is the boiled milk he eats for breakfast many mornings? FYI, because I have done alot of research in the area, I recognize about 75% of the people he mentions. His early focus is on a contest for the Prince George Co Clerk position...and he relates the various states of inebriation or fisti-i-cuffs of the folks involved. I have a feeling that some of the most important details were edited out. I have some questions and observations after my trip, that I will post shortly. Best Regards, Janet (Baugh) Hunter..A BYRD descendant..from a group of "guys" that appear in Lunenberg/Halifax/Pittsylvania in the mid 1700s from nowhere (maybe New Castle DE...maybe "byblows" of...), sign petitions, buy land, sell land, carry chains, obviously enjoy procreation, but now wills, no marriages <sigh> recorded in the regular way such events would be, even if just "hand me downs" in family tales..

I am going to jump in on this one because I think I know the answer. My mother fixed it on occasion and I hated it. You heat milk. Place a piece of buttered toast in a bowl and pour the milk over it. It is called milk-toast. UCK!!!! Fond childhood memories most of the time. :) Margaret

I don't usually join in the Southside posts as I would rather 'listen and learn', however I have had experience with Milk Toast. My mother made it for me many times when I was young and not feeling well. I considered it a comfort food and always liked it. I haven't had it in years because it tasted so much better when my mother made it. And by the way Paul, I had all my teeth and still do. :-) My mother was from Southern Illinois. Does anyone know if it was a regional 'treat'? I grew up in the West and can't recall anyone else having it. It's a nice reminder of some happy memoriesMakes me wish I could have her comfort food right now. Jeannine Looking for Gordon, Lax in Halifax. [Virginia]

Hey, where is everybody?????? Paul

Does anyone have access to the 1870 census for Campbell Co. Va? I would appreciate a look-up. Searching for Charles W. Witt and family. Thanks Kathleen

Hello, I have built a webpage for info on the descendants of the Collier families of Surry Co and Brunswick Co VA. Will add/update the information periodically. If anyone connects, please let me know. http://terisha4.tripod.com/colliergensite Teresa Hostess: http://GenNetwork.org

Does anyone have information on Indian immigrants to Virginia or other southern colonies from India? Kimberly A. GriffinGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

I have purchased microfilm of a number of old newspapers, the latest being two from Petersburg from the 1811 - 1816 time period. The current name of the company which sells them is ProQuest, formerly Bell & Howell. They have lots of historic newspapers, rare books, etc. on microfilm. It isn't cheap, however. The last two that I bought cost $95 per reel. If you want to look at their catalog online, the web address is http://www.bellhowell.infolearning.com Ed Barnes edwardbarnes@sprynet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Smith" <jeffm.smith@verizon.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 6:42 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] old newspaper question > In the meantime, could someone tell me if films of newspapers from > Halifax or Pittsylvania County, VA, exist for the period around > March/April 1863?

Hello Everyone: We have posted a list of early VA immigrants that should be of help to those of you who may be having problems with establishing your early lines there. This concerns the Children Ordered Sent to Virginia 1618-1642 and contains a listing of 468 children, including 337 before the Mayflower landed in 1620! This would represent many thousands of lines! You will find the list located on the web site at; http://www.linkline.com/personal/xymox/ Once you get there you will be looking for the link Family Pages Index which you will enter. On the Family Index Page enter CHILDREN SENT TO VA 1618-1642. Enjoy Harold Oliver America's First Families

Since I believe that we have the attention of those individuals who are capable of solving it, I believe that we, who are neither the problem nor the solution, should allow them to act. While it is a subject near and dear to us all, there is a limit to how much you can discuss it especially when you aren't one of those two types of individuals. Let's have a moratorium on furthering this discussion until the Surry County Historical Society can deal with it. The best place to discuss any additional is directly to either the county or to the Society. Harvey Researching the following families: Bottoms/Bottom/Longbottom, Keas, Stribling/Stripling, Chambers, Hodges, Golden, Sweeney, Lovelace, Welch, Pettit, Cagle and others.

Could someone give me the address of the Clerk of Court, Mecklenburg, Va and what they charge to make a copy of Wills. Thanks. Sincerely, REGINALD L. VASSAR 3950 DAUPHIN PKWY ERIE, PA 16506 E-MAIL: rlv18@juno.com Web Site: http://www.angelfire.com/va/eriehome/index.html

I have read all the comments about the loose papers. For over 22 years I have travelled - courthouse after courthouse. I have been to the state libraries in PA, VA, NC and KY, and I have been to the Family History Center in Salt Lake three or four times. From my experience, I would keep the original copies in the county. If the state or the Family History Center can film, that is great as it's another resource for those who cannot get to the counties. I've had my eye about pop out of my head trying to read microfilm of poor quality. When I have had the original records to read - what a difference! When I travel 1,000 or 1,500 miles to a county where my ancestor lived 200+ years ago, I would be very disheartened to learn they were in the state archives. Freda

I have read all the comments about the loose papers. For over 22 years I have travelled - courthouse after courthouse. I have been to the state libraries in PA, VA, NC and KY, and I have been to the Family History Center in Salt Lake three or four times. From my experience, I would keep the original copies in the county. If the state or the Family History Center can film, that is great as it's another resource for those who cannot get to the counties. I've had my eye about pop out of my head trying to read microfilm of poor quality. When I have had the original records to read - what a difference! When I travel 1,000 or 1,500 miles to a county where my ancestor lived 200+ years ago, I would be very disheartened to learn they were in the state archives. Freda

I, too, would be happy to contribute to the effort in Surry County when it materializes. In the meantime, could someone tell me if films of newspapers from Halifax or Pittsylvania County, VA, exist for the period around March/April 1863? My Jerman W. Pace purchased land at a public auction (deed transcription below) and I was wondering if I might be able to find anywhere a copy of the advertisement for the sale. Another such deed recorded a purchase by Jerman W. Pace in May 1877 and specified that the sale had been published in the Daily News, a newspaper published in the City of Danville, VA for at least one month prior to the sale. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Jeff Smith Fairfax, VA This deed made this 18th day of April 1863 Between JAMES YOUNG of the County of Halifax of the first part and JERMAN W. PACE of the County of Pittsylvania Witnesseth that whereas JAMES MCMILLAN and MARY E his wife did by Two Deeds the first bearing date the 18th day of September 1845 the second bearing date 30th day of April 1853 both recorded in the Clerks office of Halifax County did convey to the said JAMES YOUNG in trust to secure debts due WILLIAM T. BALLOW the Berry Hill Mills with six acres land attached thereto and also one other small peace of land containing Twenty three and three fourth acres with power and authority to the said JAMES YOUNG to sell the same when required by the said WILLIAM T. BALLOW or the said JAMES MCMILLAN or either of them they having consenting in writing to make sale at this time. And whereas the said JAMES YOUNG after having duly advertised the same the said JAMES YOUNG did on the 11 day of April 1863 on the premises for cash sell to the highest bidder at public auction. The said Mill and six acres land attached also the small tract adjoining the Mill containing Twenty three and three fourth acres and the said JERMAN W. PACE being the highest bidder at the price of twenty three hundred dollars became the purchaser of thereof. Now this Deed, Witnesseth that for and in consideration of the sum of Twenty three hundred dollars the said JAMES YOUNG do grant unto the said GERMAN W. PACE shall have quiet and peasible possession of the said Mill and land before mentioned against the said JAMES YOUNG or any person or persons claiming by through or under him but against no other person or persons whatever. Witness the following signature and seal. James Young {seal}

Ed, The LVA does seem to alienate out-of-staters, especially with its $20 fee to copy records. The fee is probably set by the state legislature though. That fee is my only qualm about contributing money to the LVA Foundation. It is almost insulting. But the documents they are putting on the Net probably make up for it. They do make it clear that they will not do research for patrons. They, like others, will only copy indexed material or material for which you can cite a page. Basically, if you are doing research by mail on other documents, you have to hire a researcher. People can get a list from VGS at http://www.vgs.org http://www.vgs.org/publications.htm The NCGS has a limited look-up service at the NC Archives for $5 per request. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgs/index.html

Tennessee has mandated that each county take care of its records. Sevier County has recently hired its first archivist to make order out of lots of loose papers and what was considered just trash stored in the attic. Maybe other states should consider similar positions. Kitty

Kitty, I am in TN - Crossville. So help me, 20 yrs ago I learned that the Fentress County Loose Papers had been taken to the home of a fellow named Jim __xx__. I called his widow and went out there. I found those, sure enough, piled in the corner of a filthy and very damp and sickening OLD chicken house with a leaking roof. There was not ONE record that could be other than copied from the stained and waterworn scraps. Such is the disregard of a few of our "public officials" and the historical societies in a few communities. Whatever; we are very fortunate that the past Surry officers - from the Emmersons back - have been VERY careful and kept those precious resources intact. I only hope that something will take place within some reasonable period of time. I first saw those records and discussed the same with the Emmersons at least 20 years ago. My offer stands to contirbute what I can to a project having to do with such. I would ask that the Society tell us when and if any fund is established having as its purpose this task. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty Manscill" <kmanscil@bellsouth.net> To: <VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Court Records > Tennessee has mandated that each county take care of its records. > Sevier County has recently hired its first archivist to make order out > of lots of loose papers and what was considered just trash stored in the > attic. Maybe other states should consider similar positions. > Kitty > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb Archives Digital Maps Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/ > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

I've watched all the messages about the court records for some time now, and although I have no personal interest in that county, I would suggest that if there is opportunity to see the records before they arrive at the state library, you should take advantage of it. I live in Texas and my "at a distance" experience with the State Library of Virginia is not good. My research is in Brunswick County and I've tried to get copies of cataloged records from the library on more than one occasion and the library seems to go out of its way to NOT be helpful. I also understand that there is "a box" of uncataloged records from Brunswick County at the library that, it seems, will not be cataloged. That means that if I don't make a trip from Texas to Richmond, I'll never be able to know if there is anything helpful there. If there is any way to see this data before it is sent to Richmond, that should be a priority. The state library should make being helpful to researchers a high priority; they seem to do just the opposite. Ed Barnes edwardbarnes@sprynet.com >

I think at this time we should worry more about the preservation and cataloguing of these documents rather than our own convenience. Because they are elected officials, the county clerks may retain documents for the convenience of the locals. However, that doesn't mean it is a wise solution. I don't really see any great advantage to having the originals in the counties, although deed and will books would probably stay there. Copies of some sort should suffice for the most used items. If documents can be preserved there better, that is a different story. However, I would rather see the inaccessible documents under the control of the state archives. At least there is a chance that they will be catalogued and copies will be made available.