Is anyone else attending the eGenConference being put on by Family History Radio? It looks like a good opportunity to hear these speakers. Terry

Will someone who goes to Amelia Courthouse, Amelia, Va, please look in Will Book 14, page 140, filled 28 Aug 1777 and see if the will of Benjamin Abraham Vasser is there. If it is found please let me know at my e-mail address " [email protected] ". I wish to order a copy from the County Clerk. Thanks! Reginald Vassar

Paul, maybe the answer is here: http://www.erasofelegance.com/waxseals.html > My turn to ask a question: Who has a definitive source for information concerning who was permitted to and who was not permitted to use red sealing wax as opposed to black wax when affixing their seals to documents. Thanks. Paul. Hugh in Dallas

Thanks for an answer, Jack. Paul Here it is, everybody http://www.gryph.com/documents/seals.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: paul drake To: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; DraWeb ; [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: My turn My turn to ask a question: Who has a definitive source for information concerning who was permitted to and who was not permitted to use red sealing wax as opposed to black wax when affixing their seals to documents. Thanks. Paul.

My turn to ask a question: Who has a definitive source for information concerning who was permitted to and who was not permitted to use red sealing wax as opposed to black wax when affixing their seals to documents. Thanks. Paul.

A kind soul did a look up for me and guess what she found........  Colonial Caroline by T. E. Campbell.   (Caroline Co, VA) It says on p. 283:   "To restore the doubters' faith (in the government of the colony) the magistrates offered to make good at once the crown's promise of free land for service in the French & Indian War, and opened the court for proof of claims of all local veterans who fought in that conflict, or their heirs if they were dead, to certify to the governor of the Commonwealth for immediate action.  Forty French & Indian War veterans in Caroline tok advantage of this offer.  They were George Muse, REUBEN ROSS, etc.  Twoof the 3 men who inventoried Isaac Green's estate in Craven Co, SC in 1772 (Reuben Ross' father in law) were from Caroline Co, VA......... Happy Dance!! Any relations out there to a Caroline Co, VA Ross group? Audrey

Not at all; Jean, it meant simply that some one else had provided the transportation from usually the "old country' to the Colonies. ----- Original Message ----- From: jean miles To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: transportee Dear Mr. Drake, .... In the seventeenth century did a "transportee" necessarily indicate the individual was a convict? Any insights you have will be appreciated. Jean Miles

Some Episcopal Churches process around their property on Rogation Day. In some parishes this is done after church and is followed by a picnic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul drake" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: Bouncing and Processioning. > For centuries when a tract of land was to be sold or otherwise transferred the scarcity of those who could read and write dictated that boundaries be remembered by the parties. Thus, children were taken along as the boundaries were walked from beginning back to beginning. They were often whipped at the time in order that they remember for years precisely where those boundaries were. Processioning on a regular basis without the whippings took place throughout the English Colonial South, were the responsibility of the parishes, and were entered in the parish registers. Those prevented MUCH litigation and were very effective in solving problems of boundaries. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Valerie J. Adams > To: paul drake > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:49 AM > Subject: RE: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: Bouncing and Processioning. > > > Paul, > Please explain the practice of whipping kids to me. What did they do and > why? Sounds awful! > Valerie Adams > > -----Original Message----- > From: paul drake [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:13 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: Bouncing and Processioning. > > The practice of whipping kids while processioning land in order that they > remember the boundaries was largely abandoned because more and more people > could write and set forth property boundaries by a writing such as a deed > and deed description, etc. > > Processioning continued here until the last years of the 18th century. > "Lease and release" transfers also were common here till the early years of > the 18th-C. And "turf and twig" memorializations of transfers of land here > were not yet completely abandoned till the last years of the 17th-C. In my > dictionary you will find definitions of those. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charlotte > To: paul drake > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:52 AM > Subject: "Bouncing and Processioning". > > > I thought I had read a discussion of yours on Processioning. So, I > understand then, that the practice had been abandoned before this country > was settled. I wonder if there are other traditions of simalar ritualistic > nature still found in the country communities of the U.S. > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > Please contact List Administrator if you experience problems > getting unsubscribed from this list. [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Good info, Kitty. Thanks. I did not know it was ever done these days. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kitty Manscill To: paul drake ; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: Bouncing and Processioning. Some Episcopal Churches process around their property on Rogation Day. In some parishes this is done after church and is followed by a picnic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul drake" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: Bouncing and Processioning. > For centuries when a tract of land was to be sold or otherwise transferred the scarcity of those who could read and write dictated that boundaries be remembered by the parties. Thus, children were taken along as the boundaries were walked from beginning back to beginning. They were often whipped at the time in order that they remember for years precisely where those boundaries were. Processioning on a regular basis without the whippings took place throughout the English Colonial South, were the responsibility of the parishes, and were entered in the parish registers. Those prevented MUCH litigation and were very effective in solving problems of boundaries. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Valerie J. Adams > To: paul drake > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:49 AM > Subject: RE: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: Bouncing and Processioning. > > > Paul, > Please explain the practice of whipping kids to me. What did they do and > why? Sounds awful! > Valerie Adams > > -----Original Message----- > From: paul drake [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:13 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: Bouncing and Processioning. > > The practice of whipping kids while processioning land in order that they > remember the boundaries was largely abandoned because more and more people > could write and set forth property boundaries by a writing such as a deed > and deed description, etc. > > Processioning continued here until the last years of the 18th century. > "Lease and release" transfers also were common here till the early years of > the 18th-C. And "turf and twig" memorializations of transfers of land here > were not yet completely abandoned till the last years of the 17th-C. In my > dictionary you will find definitions of those. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charlotte > To: paul drake > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:52 AM > Subject: "Bouncing and Processioning". > > > I thought I had read a discussion of yours on Processioning. So, I > understand then, that the practice had been abandoned before this country > was settled. I wonder if there are other traditions of simalar ritualistic > nature still found in the country communities of the U.S. > > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== > VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb > Please contact List Administrator if you experience problems > getting unsubscribed from this list. [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

For centuries when a tract of land was to be sold or otherwise transferred the scarcity of those who could read and write dictated that boundaries be remembered by the parties. Thus, children were taken along as the boundaries were walked from beginning back to beginning. They were often whipped at the time in order that they remember for years precisely where those boundaries were. Processioning on a regular basis without the whippings took place throughout the English Colonial South, were the responsibility of the parishes, and were entered in the parish registers. Those prevented MUCH litigation and were very effective in solving problems of boundaries. ----- Original Message ----- From: Valerie J. Adams To: paul drake Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: RE: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: Bouncing and Processioning. Paul, Please explain the practice of whipping kids to me. What did they do and why? Sounds awful! Valerie Adams -----Original Message----- From: paul drake [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: Bouncing and Processioning. The practice of whipping kids while processioning land in order that they remember the boundaries was largely abandoned because more and more people could write and set forth property boundaries by a writing such as a deed and deed description, etc. Processioning continued here until the last years of the 18th century. "Lease and release" transfers also were common here till the early years of the 18th-C. And "turf and twig" memorializations of transfers of land here were not yet completely abandoned till the last years of the 17th-C. In my dictionary you will find definitions of those. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlotte To: paul drake Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: "Bouncing and Processioning". I thought I had read a discussion of yours on Processioning. So, I understand then, that the practice had been abandoned before this country was settled. I wonder if there are other traditions of simalar ritualistic nature still found in the country communities of the U.S. ==== VA-SOUTHSIDE Mailing List ==== VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The practice of whipping kids while processioning land in order that they remember the boundaries was largely abandoned because more and more people could write and set forth property boundaries by a writing such as a deed and deed description, etc. Processioning continued here until the last years of the 18th century. "Lease and release" transfers also were common here till the early years of the 18th-C. And "turf and twig" memorializations of transfers of land here were not yet completely abandoned till the last years of the 17th-C. In my dictionary you will find definitions of those. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlotte To: paul drake Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: "Bouncing and Processioning". I thought I had read a discussion of yours on Processioning. So, I understand then, that the practice had been abandoned before this country was settled. I wonder if there are other traditions of simalar ritualistic nature still found in the country communities of the U.S.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ will get you to the main page........just pick from there any state and then county you want this is the one for Halifax Co. VA http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/halifax.htm

A thank you, and I thank you also. Paul Subject: [DRAKE] What to do with genealogy? I want to thank everyone who wrote in response to the above question. If you recall, the question came up because a lady was going blind and didn't know what to do with her many years of research. So many of you took the time and effort to offer some really great suggestions. They were all passed on to Cathy's husband, kept, by him and by me, read, and appreciated. Today I received a note from Cathy that I would like to share with you. "I have been searching for an eye doctor who is not afraid of getting sued for making any improvements. He thinks he can remove the cataract and do a corneal transplant that MAY give me a little vision in the one eye I have been totally blind in since birth. If nothing else, the cataract will be gone and that means no more every-other- weeks of having a bandage contact replaced...a lifetime thing . He is at UT and on the faculty too. It may mean that I can see with just a magnifying glass and that will mean I can read again. I am also determined that one way or another, I AM going to compile all my notes and get this family stuff done. Sure would be nice to have some family somewhere who wants this but my daughter said she will keep it. May still send it to my son, the author/publisher, to see what he might want to do with it. It was so encouraging to hear from all those wonderful people because of your effort. You are just a very special person." Cathie You are all very special, thanks to each of you. I'm going to try to combine all of those suggestions and maybe send them off to roots web so they can be published somewhere so that others can read and learn from them. I'll remove the names and email addresses and what ever I do, it won't be for profit. Barb Marshall List Mom of BAGLEY, DRAKE & INDIANA genealogy discussion lists ==== DRAKE Mailing List ==== http://www.xroyvision.com.au/drake/drakepage.htm

Hope some of you Parrish researches can answer a mystery for me. My 'grandpa' Reuben Jones (I descend from daughter Sylvania Jones who married Thomas Elliott) died in Halifax Co. VA. after 13 July 1811 and left a will (a copy can be found on the Halifax rootsweb archives site). Reuben Jones left Milly Wilkins, wife of John Wilkins, $50. Milly Parrish married John Wilkins. The mystery: This is the Reuben Jones that married Sarah (Griffin). $50 was big money back in 1811.......Who are Milly Parrish Wilkins parents and what is her connection to Reuben Jones? Mary

Seeking information on a Moore family that lived in Lunenburg and Mecklenburg Counties (VA) from the mid-1700s to the early 1800s: Thomas Moore and Mary Farrar Moore had the following children: Thomas Moore Jr., Seth Moore (m. Mary Owen), Elizabeth Moore (m. John Daws), Priscilla Moore (m.1 Elijah Stone and m.2 Carlton Nunn), GeorgeMoore (m. Mildred Owen), Field Moore (m. Sarah Lidderdale), Judith Moore (m. _?_ Boyd), Nancy Moore (m. Godfrey Crowder), Mary Moore (m.1 Hugh Franklin and m.2 Edward Willis), Lucy Moore (m. William Willis), and Taphania (sp?) Moore (m. William Hudson.) Originally from Henrico and Chesterfield Counties, the family moved into Lunenburg (later Mecklenburg) around 1750. Mary Farrar Moore was d/o George Farrar and Judith Jefferson. Thomas Moore Sr. died in Mecklenburg around 1794. Any additional information on these people greatly appreciated. A Moore Surname Y-Chromosome DNA Project has recently been established in an attempt to distinguish among the many Moore families. The project is inclusive of all MOOREs from any area and any spelling variant, but we are especially interested in Moores who migrated from Virginia through the South. The testing will be for the male Y-chromosome, which is passed only from father to son. Therefore, the testing requires a male with the surname of MOORE (or variant.) (Of course, a female researcher can participate by recruiting a Moore father, brother or spouse.) The test analyzes either the 12 or 25 markers on the Y-chromosome. If the markers of two or more male individuals of same surname match, it indicates they descend from a common male ancestor. Information about the project is available at http://small-stuff.com/MOORE/ . We encourage all Moore researchers to visit the website and consider participating in this exciting project. Marge Stockton

Looking for additional information on the family of Daniel and Nancy... Loftis of Halifax Co. VA. Their children were: (1) Stanley Loftis b. 1801 married Jane Wilborn (2) Margaret Loftis b. 1805 married James H Davenport (3) Irby Loftis b. 1808 married ... Glidewell (4) Frances Loftis b. 1810 married Grief Talley (5) Daniel Loftis b. 1815 married Nancy Mealer (6) Richard Loftis b. 1815 married Edy Wilborn (7) Nancy Loftis married Willis Nelson Need proof that Irby and Frances are children of Daniel and Nancy. Have only circumstantial evidence. Also want to know how this family is connected to the other Loftis families in Halifax during this time period. Mary

Interesting story in our paper this morning pertaining to identity theft. An eight year old boy died in a car wreck in TX in the '50s. His identity was stolen. The person who stole his identity died recently, and they cannot find out who he really is. People can steal identities from almost anything. Obits, yearbooks, etc. I guess obits will soon read, "the anonymous deceased is survived by ten living relatives." :-)

Interesting story in our paper this morning pertaining to identity theft. An eight year old boy died in a car wreck in TX in the '50s. His identity was stolen. The person who stole his identity died recently, and they cannot find out who he really is. People can steal identities from almost anything. Obits, yearbooks, etc. I guess obits will soon read, "the anonymous deceased is survived by ten living relatives." :-)

An investigative reporter, headquartered in a large California city, has advised that voting registrations in California are no longer open to the public. I believe there have been restrictions placed on information which can be obtained from California Department of Motor Vehicles registrations also. Each state has different laws. There are too many instances of *stalking* public figures, and kidnapping has always been a threat, even for with people without money. For instance, if one parent of a child is a citizen of another country, he/she may kidnap the child or children and never return the child to the United States. Information on living persons should be guarded--the internet is NOT a safe place. How much spam do you get? I get a lot--some which does not even pertain to my sex!!! E.W.Wallace (female)

To All: Rootsweb does not condone posting of names and personal information on living persons. While I cannot prevent it, I advise members of my lists to not post such information. Remember, the poster is responsible for what they post and any liability resulting from it. All postings are archived and can be found by anyone through a web search, so if in doubt, don't make such information public. Anyone who does not know the living members of the families they are researching haven't gotten very far up the family tree! List Administrator, G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.