Thanks, Craig, Been working on this all day, and have one last piece of the puzzle (I hope) that maybe someone on this list can help me with. Most published ancestries of Christopher CHINN say he died 1787 Livingston, KY (not sure if this is the town in current Rockcastle Co, or the county). But in an 1809 affidavit, his brother, William CHINN, stated Christopher CHINN died in Loudoun Co, VA in 1786. I'm not quibbling over the year, but Loudoun Co, VA and KY are pretty far apart. His widow and three small children wind up in KY, and she marries Thomas HALL and they live in Nelson and Montgomery Co, KY (where they die in 1830s) So does anyone have record to indicate where Christopher CHINN died? Jim Bartlett On 11/23/12, Craig Kilby<persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: Jim, it would indeed certainly appear. There was another Christopher -4 Chinn (son of Charles-3 Chinn) of Fauquier County. But Elijah-3 Chinn was of Loudoun County and given the deed you recite below, this seems to be the logical placement. Still you should try to weed out/rule out this other Christopher Chinn to be sure. Either way, welcome to the scandalous world of the Chinns and Balls. Craig On Nov 23, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > My search has led me to a Christopher CHINN who married 17 Dec 1779 > Montgomery Co, MD Ann BARTLETT. This may well be Nancy Anne BARTLETT, > daughter of my ancestor <snip> > > 1784 Loudoun Co, VA Deed by Christopher CHINN (s/o Elijah CHINN dec'd) &wife > Nancy of Ldn to John Peyton HARRISON of Fauquier... 250ac in Ldn and > Fauquier bequeathed to Elijah CHINN by brother Christopher CHINN dec'd, adj > Charles CHINN ...<snip> > > So my question is: is this Christopher CHINN the son of Elijah-3 CHINN > (Rawleigh-2, John-1)? It looks that way in our NN Tree, and I could then > add the BARTLETT link, based on the records above. <snip>

Jim, I don't know that I can help you with this one, and surely someone here can, but it reminds me a very similar case for St. Clair Burbridge Kilby of Madison County, Virginia whose family ends up in Tazewell County, Illinois but he doesn't. And no record of his death in Virginia. The most usual conclusion is that he died en route. Possible? Craig P.S. BTW, This St. Clair Kilby was the ancestor of Jack St. Clair Kilby, inventor of the silicon chip for Texas Instruments. No, not my direct ancestors who did nothing so noteworthy. However, I've corresponded over the years with members of this family and they don't know where St. Clair Kilby died either. But everyone is "certain" it was in 1836--both places given as place of death in various accounts. On Nov 23, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > > Most published ancestries of Christopher CHINN say he died 1787 Livingston, > KY (not sure if this is the town in current Rockcastle Co, or the county). > But in an 1809 affidavit, his brother, William CHINN, stated Christopher > CHINN died in Loudoun Co, VA in 1786. I'm not quibbling over the year, > but Loudoun Co, VA and KY are pretty far apart. His widow and three small > children wind up in KY, and she marries Thomas HALL and they live in Nelson > and Montgomery Co, KY (where they die in 1830s) > > So does anyone have record to indicate where Christopher CHINN died? >

Jim let me do some research and make some inquiries of Christopher and Elijah's descendants. I think you might be a generation off, but maybe not. Rawleigh and Margaret had Charles, Elijah and Christopher. I think this Original Elijah died c. 1771 if memory serves. I have more information at home than here at work. I also have many emails etc saved that I never got logged in because it wasn't my direct line but I did an enourmous amount of work on these lines. Charles had a son Elijah Elijah had a son Elijah etc etc. so It's going to be confusing. First person I can recommend to you is Pat Duncan and I understand in just talking to her that you two have spoken before. She is major researcher/transcriber of all things Loudoun/Fauquier and has published many many books and has been my go to person for 15 years on the Chinn family because she has transcribed it all. GenNutLdn@msn.com Secondly after Rawleigh (my grandfather) got done with Easter and took up with Margaret... He bought land in Loudoun Co for his sons and gave them 500 acres each. Joseph started what is now the Red Fox Inn (Chinns Ordinary) in Middleburg. Thomas (my grandfather) built some tennet homes in Middleburg in which his son Thomas moved in which is now the Carter House and Waverly or (Piedmont Vineyards). Charles and Scythia (Davis) built their home Bittersweet as it's now called, and is still standing and privately owned (I have pictures of it) in Fauquier Co. Anyway, Charles DID in fact buy land in Kentucky, and if fact left to his son, Elijah to have 500a in Nelson Co. KY. Scythia died in Bourbon Co. Kentucky, after the death of her husband Charles in 1788. She died in 1824, was in KY before the 1810 census along with most of her children. They settled in the Paris KY area, her estate was sold at the home of her son, Joseph Chinn who lived about 8 miles from Paris on the Lexington-Cynthiana Rd. 2 1/2 mi from Centerville, KY. This is from Fauquier Will Book Abstracts by Dee Ann Buck: CHINN, CHARLES--Will--13 May 1787,25 Feb 1788, Son: Charles to have my silver watch, various named household items & stock animals & 50 pounds, Son: Christopher to have slaves: Chris & Larry & 25 shillings, Son: Elijah to have 500a in Nelson Co. KY, Children: Rawleigh, John, Wm. Bail, Joseph, Margaret, Betty, Suckey, Nancy each to received named household items & stock animals & 50 pounds, Sons: Charles, Rawleigh, John, Wm. Bail & Joseph all the residue of my lands in the District of KY, Wife: Seth Chinn during her natural life the use of 1/3 of estate of my Loudoun & Fauquier Co. VA, or in lieu of the land to have slaves: Scipio, Bett, Frank & Ned, various named household items & stock animals, after her death divided among my children, Residue of my lands and slaves and divided into 12 parts each of ail my children, daughter Mary Reno & her children to be controlled by my son Elijah, until her husband Zeky Reno dies, Exrs: Charles, Rawleigh, John Chinn, sons & Rawleigh Chain Sr., friend, Wit: Ralph Murray, John French & Daniel French; Book 2, 123. THE PROBLEM AS I SEE is deciphering all these boys. The Peytons, Powells, and Harrisons intermarried in Loudoun and Fauquier, as I have much information on these families as well. It is noteworthy that Charles Downman Chinn's (Rawleigh's son by Margaret) son John Chinn d. in Harrison Co. KY m. Mildred Higgins and their daughter Agnes Ball Chinn m. Frank Smith. Their son Marcus Aurelius Smith was a prosecutor in AZ during the Ok Corral event and went on to become a US Congressman. A KENTUCKY FAMILY. Kentuckian Citizen. Mrs. Frank Smith, aged over 70 years, one of the dozen children of John Chinn, died suddenly Saturday, May 7, at the residence on the Bourbon and Harrison line. The noted New Orleans lawyer, Dick Chinn, was her brother, and the mother of Mrs. William Tell Coleman, the San Francisco merchant was her sister. Mr. Coleman recently visited her. Of her children are Mark Smith, the congressman from Arizona, and Sam. M.Smith, the New York broker, who married a sister of General W. T. Withers, and Dr. Higgins Smith, of Harrison. Her sister, Mrs. Green Bedford, of Missouri, is the last of the dozen children. John and Mildred also had a son Richard Henry Chinn who m. Elizabeth Moore Holmes (first cousins) as she was the daughter of Suckey Chinn (Charles and Scythia's daughter) Honorable Richard Henry Chinn, an attorney. He was the law partner of that noted statesman, Henry Clay. It has been documented that Richard Henry Chinn was the only man with who Henry Clay would ever enter in partnership; Clay was also the only person who presumed to call Richard Henry by the name of "Dick". According to "Aunt Eliza" in "Social Life in Old New Orleans": "My Mother would never have dared to do such a thing". One of the sons of Richard Henry Chinn was named "Henry Clay" after his old law partner. In an article written by Great Aunt Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, she makes mention of the fact that Henry Clay was a frequent visitor in the Chinn home. On one occasion she made a handkerchief for him which he always carried and used in the process of wiping his hands after taking a pinch of snuff. Richard Henry Chinn served twice in the Kentucky legislature... each time being elected by unanimous vote. The Honorable RICHARD HENRY CHINN married his (third) cousin, ELIZABETH (BETSY) MOORE HOLMES (with who, it is said, he fell in love with when he was six and she was three.) The Mother of ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES was SUSAN (SUCKY) CHINN, a daughter of the union between CHARLES and SYNTHE CHINN, and sister of JOHN CHINN who married MILDRED HIGGINS. Fourteen children were born to RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN. All of the children were born in Kentucky where he practiced law until approximately 1836. At that date he moved his family to Louisiana and took up his practice in the city of New Orleans. The youngest of the fourteen children of RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN was Elizabeth Moore Chinn McHatton Ripley (Aunt Eliza) author of "from Flag to Flag" and "Social Life in Old New Orleans". Another of their children was Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, Great-Grandmother of Benjamin Harrison Branch, Jr, author of the "Branch-Harris-Jarvis-Chinn" book of genealogy. The sixth child of the marriage was our Great-Grandfather CABELL BRECKENRIDGE CHINN who married his cousin (third, I am told) JANE McCAULAND. CABELL was educated as an attorney (like his father) and practiced at the bar until some time after his marriage. After that he became a planter of Pointe Coupee Parish in Louisiana. I found all this information trying to figure out why my 4th grandparents son would have been travelling to New Orleans via river boat and who also had brothers in Union Co. KY. I recently came across an old auction/yard sale pirate who came upon a CHINN power of attorney and wanted big bucks for it thinking it was some golden treasure because of this Marcus Aurelius Smith and the association to the Ok Corral and also the Chinn association to George Washington. I got a copy of like the front page of the document and he would not sell it to me. I wanted to get it where it belonged. I was furious. Oh well. Sorry so long, but I will see what I have at home. Janean Ray

Now see how much someone can pack into a 25k message, and wander way off message? <G> Janean, we've already established that Jim needs to make sure which of the Christopher Chinns of that generation are his, and the evidence so far clearly points to Elijah. Don't know that all this wandering off into Kentucky, Peytons and Powells was particulary useful. But, as I said, 25K is a LOT of space to say a lot. Craig On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > Jim let me do some research and make some inquiries of Christopher and > Elijah's descendants. > > I think you might be a generation off, but maybe not. > > Rawleigh and Margaret had Charles, Elijah and Christopher. I think this > Original Elijah died c. 1771 if memory serves. I have more information at > home than here at work. I also have many emails etc saved that I never got > logged in because it wasn't my direct line but I did an enormous amount of > work on these lines. > > Charles had a son Elijah > Elijah had a son Elijah etc etc. so It's going to be confusing. > > First person I can recommend to you is Pat Duncan and I understand in just > talking to her that you two have spoken before. She is major > researcher/transcriber of all things Loudoun/Fauquier and has published many > many books and has been my go to person for 15 years on the Chinn family > because she has transcribed it all. GenNutLdn@msn.com > > Secondly after Rawleigh (my grandfather) got done with Easter and took up > with Margaret... He bought land in Loudoun Co for his sons and gave them 500 > acres each. Joseph started what is now the Red Fox Inn (Chinns Ordinary) in > Middleburg. Thomas (my grandfather) built some tennet homes in Middleburg > in which his son Thomas moved in which is now the Carter House and Waverly > or (Piedmont Vineyards). > > Charles and Scythia (Davis) built their home Bittersweet as it's now called, > and is still standing and privately owned (I have pictures of it) in > Fauquier Co. Anyway, Charles DID in fact buy land in Kentucky, and if > fact left to his son, Elijah to have 500a in Nelson Co. KY. > > Scythia died in Bourbon Co. Kentucky, after the death of her husband Charles > in 1788. She died in 1824, was in KY before the 1810 census along with most > of her children. They settled in the Paris KY area, her estate was sold at > the home of her son, Joseph Chinn who lived about 8 miles from Paris on the > Lexington-Cynthiana Rd. 2 1/2 mi from Centerville, KY. > > This is from Fauquier Will Book Abstracts by Dee Ann Buck: > CHINN, CHARLES--Will--13 May 1787,25 Feb 1788, Son: Charles to have my > silver watch, various named household items & stock animals & 50 pounds, > Son: Christopher to have slaves: Chris & Larry & 25 shillings, Son: Elijah > to have 500a in Nelson Co. KY, Children: Rawleigh, John, Wm. Bail, Joseph, > Margaret, Betty, Suckey, Nancy each to received named household items & > stock animals & 50 pounds, Sons: Charles, Rawleigh, John, Wm. Bail & Joseph > all the residue of my lands in the District of > KY, Wife: Seth Chinn during her natural life the use of 1/3 of estate of my > Loudoun & Fauquier Co. VA, or in lieu of the land to have slaves: Scipio, > Bett, Frank & Ned, various named household items & stock animals, after her > death divided among my children, Residue of my lands and slaves and divided > into 12 parts each of ail my children, daughter Mary Reno & her children to > be controlled by my son Elijah, until her > husband Zeky Reno dies, Exrs: Charles, Rawleigh, John Chinn, sons & Rawleigh > Chain Sr., friend, Wit: Ralph Murray, John French & Daniel French; Book 2, > 123. > > THE PROBLEM AS I SEE is deciphering all these boys. > > The Peytons, Powells, and Harrisons intermarried in Loudoun and Fauquier, as > I have much information on these families as well. > > It is noteworthy that Charles Downman Chinn's (Rawleigh's son by Margaret) > son John Chinn d. in Harrison Co. KY m. Mildred Higgins and their daughter > Agnes Ball Chinn m. Frank Smith. Their son Marcus Aurelius Smith was a > prosecutor in AZ during the Ok Corral event and went on to become a US > Congressman. > A KENTUCKY FAMILY. > Kentuckian Citizen. > > Mrs. Frank Smith, aged over 70 years, one of the dozen children of John > Chinn, died suddenly Saturday, May 7, at the residence on the Bourbon and > Harrison line. > > The noted New Orleans lawyer, Dick Chinn, was her brother, and the mother of > Mrs. William Tell Coleman, the San Francisco merchant was her sister. Mr. > Coleman recently visited her. > > Of her children are Mark Smith, the congressman from Arizona, and Sam. > M.Smith, the New York broker, who married a sister of General W. T. Withers, > and Dr. Higgins Smith, of Harrison. Her sister, Mrs. Green Bedford, of > Missouri, is the last of the dozen children. > > John and Mildred also had a son Richard Henry Chinn who m. Elizabeth Moore > Holmes (first cousins) as she was the daughter of Suckey Chinn (Charles and > Scythia's daughter) > > Honorable Richard Henry Chinn, an attorney. He was the law partner of that > noted statesman, Henry Clay. It has been documented that Richard Henry Chinn > was the only man with who Henry Clay would ever enter in partnership; Clay > was also the only person who presumed to call Richard Henry by the name of > "Dick". According to "Aunt Eliza" in "Social Life in Old New Orleans": "My > Mother would never have dared to do such a thing". One of the sons of > Richard Henry Chinn was named "Henry Clay" after his old law partner. In an > article written by Great Aunt Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, she makes > mention of the fact that Henry Clay was a frequent visitor in the Chinn > home. On one occasion she made a handkerchief for him which he always > carried and used in the process of wiping his hands after taking a pinch of > snuff. > Richard Henry Chinn served twice in the Kentucky legislature... each time > being elected by unanimous vote. > The Honorable RICHARD HENRY CHINN married his (third) cousin, > ELIZABETH (BETSY) MOORE HOLMES (with who, it is said, he fell in love with > when he was six and she was three.) The Mother of ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES was > SUSAN (SUCKY) CHINN, a daughter of the union between CHARLES and SYNTHE > CHINN, and sister of JOHN CHINN who married MILDRED HIGGINS. Fourteen > children were born to RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN. All of > the children were born in Kentucky where he practiced law until > approximately 1836. At that date he moved his family to Louisiana and took > up his practice in the city of New Orleans. > The youngest of the fourteen children of RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH > MOORE HOLMES CHINN was Elizabeth Moore Chinn McHatton Ripley (Aunt Eliza) > author of "from Flag to Flag" and "Social Life in Old New Orleans". Another > of their children was Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, Great-Grandmother > of Benjamin Harrison Branch, Jr, author of the "Branch-Harris-Jarvis-Chinn" > book of genealogy. The sixth child of the marriage was our Great-Grandfather > CABELL BRECKENRIDGE CHINN who married his cousin (third, I am told) JANE > McCAULAND. CABELL was educated as an attorney (like his father) and > practiced at the bar until some time after his marriage. After that he > became a planter of Pointe Coupee Parish in Louisiana. > > I found all this information trying to figure out why my 4th grandparents > son would have been travelling to New Orleans via river boat and who also > had brothers in Union Co. KY. > > I recently came across an old auction/yard sale pirate who came upon a CHINN > power of attorney and wanted big bucks for it thinking it was some golden > treasure because of this Marcus Aurelius Smith and the association to the Ok > Corral and also the Chinn association to George Washington. I got a copy of > like the front page of the document and he would not sell it to me. I > wanted to get it where it belonged. I was furious. Oh well. > > Sorry so long, but I will see what I have at home. > > Janean Ray > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message