David/Craig I'm interesting in John "of the forest" Marshall because his family married into the William McClanahan family. William McClanahan Sr being half brother to Blanchflower Duncan Sr, son of Henry, son of Peter Duncan of Nomini, Cople Parish, Westmoreland. However, Peter Duncan also had land extending near the Westmoreland/North Farnham Parish, Richmond Co, Va. line. From William McClanahan Will we know he owned land in the Hogg Island area of Richmond Co, Va. he purchased from the Morgan family and left to a grandson. Below is what appears to be a different Thomas Marshall with son John. Whether this land is "in the forest", I don't know, but if we look at his neighbor, John Berry, there's a general description of where he lived/owned land. Craig, perhaps you will know if this is "in the forest" in Lancaster. Next question is whether the Thomas Marshall of Westmoreland is related to Thomas Marshall of Lancaster ? Virginia Northern Neck Land Grants 1694-1742 by Gertrude E. Gray; Book 3 1703-1710 3-175: Thomas Marshall of Lancaster County, decd made survey of 131a in said Co. Cert of Clk of Scs office 18mar1685/6. Marshall died before obtained patent & by will 25 June 1686 gave land to his sons. John and Sackville equally divided. John & Sackvill Marshall 25nov last obtained warrent. Surv by Capt Wm Ball for 133-1/2acres in Lancaster County, Virginia. "Adj John Berry decd", above merryman's path. 31Oct 1707. Now for a later Thomas Marshall .....So, question is; who's son is this Thomas Marshall, who is obviously alive and kicking in 1710 but apparently dead by 1728 In Lancaster County, Virginia., Will Bk. 10, p.29--Estate of SACKFIELD MARSHALL Inventory recorded; 11 May 1710 Presented in Court by THOMAS MARSHALL AND ROBERT MARSHALL Lancaster County, Virginia. Will Bk. 12,p.59--Estate of THOMAS MARSHALL Administration Account by ROBERT MARSHALL dated--12 June 1728 Now, John Berry Title Berry, John. Publication 14 October 1665. Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Note Location: Lancaster County. Description: 350 acres on the west side of Corotoman River being part of a tract of land commonly known by the name of Powells Neck. Source: Land Office Patents No. 5, 1661-1666 (v.1 & 2 p.1-369), p. 491 (Reel 5). LANCASTER COUNTY DEEDS & WILLS 1661-1666; Antient Press; Page 253-254 THESE WRITINGS made & dated in the year of our Lord God 1662 upon the 10th day of Decemb: Witnesseth that I JANE CLAPPHAM do acknowledge that my Hus254 band has sold to JOHN BERRY a p:cel or tract of land in COROTOMON RIVER comonly called HONEY POINT giveing himselfe the same power my Husband has given him the sd JOHN BERRY to have & to hold the sd land to him & his heirs forever binding my selfe by these psents not to trouble nor molest the sd BERRY for any part or p:cel of the sd land abovemenconed either for me or in my name or any one forme either to demand or sue in any Law or in any way to recover either part or p:cel of the same In Testimony whereto I have set my hand this day & date above written THOMAS COGGAN JANE CLAPPAM JOHN HALLETT Recognit in Cur Com Lancr: 28d Jan: Ano: 1662 et recordat primo Febru: sequen p EDWD. DALE, CI Cur 1666-1669 Lancaster County Order Book; {Antient Press}: pg 133 Lancaster County Court 26th of January 1669/70 - JOHN BERREY relinquisheing his Right to ye Executorship of JO: NICHOLS (deced), his Will, a P:bate thereof is granted unto STEPHEN CHILTON accordinge to ye tenor of ye sde, Will. Mr, GEO: FLOWER & NICH: GEORGE are ordered to apprize ye sde. Estate & to bee sworne by ye nexte Justice, An Inven:rie thereof to bee exhibited to ye nexte Cort. PS: Nicholas George married relict of John Bayley and the McClanahan family also had a Bayley connection. Whether a clue, I don't know. 1670-1674 Lancaster County Order Book; Antient Press: pg 202 Lancaster County Court 13th of September 1671 - Mr. WILL BALL JUNR., is appointed Surveyour for ye Highwayes for ye yere ensueinge & his boundes are to bee from ye CHURCH to ye hither side of the Runn in DEEPE BOTTOME, & from ye CHURCH to ye MILL of DAVYD FOX & for ye doeing whereof all ye inhabitants from the late plantacon of Mr. JOHN EDWARDS (deced) & ye plantacons of RICHD: MERRYMAN & JOHN BERREY & soe upwards to ye further extent of his p:cincts are ordered to bee lyeable to ye sde. Worke accordinge to Acte. JOHN MOTTs plantacon included in this p:cinct 1670-1674 Lancaster County Order Book; Antient Press: pg 235a Lancaster County Court 11th of September 1672 - Att this Court, Capt. WILLIAM BALL & Mr. DANIEL HARRISON are dischardged from ye Office of Surveyour & Capt. FOX, Mr. THOMAS MARSHALL & GEORGE HEALE are ordered to succeede them. Capt. FOX to bee Surveyour from ye CHURCH upwards to DEEPE BOTTOM and to take all the houses from his owne upp alonge RAPPAHANNOCK RIVER side to DEEPE CREEKE. Mr. MARSHALL to bee Surveyour of ye High. Waies from DOMINEs upp to ye CHURCH & to take in all the Houses alonge ye RAPPAHANNOCK RIVER side upp to Capt. FOXs, and downe to Major DALEs & JOHN BERREYs, and GEORGE HALE to bee Surveyour of ye Highwayes from ye CHURCH to Capt. FOXes MILL & to take in RICHARD PRICEs House and THOMAS MARTYN & soe alonge that side of CORRATOMON RIVER and soe alonge to CHARLES RANGER and aboute to ye sde. MILL. -- Fred Duncan

Fred, I can't answer your question about the Thomas Marshall of Lancaster, and his will referenced in the 1707 Northern Neck Grant to two of his sons does not appear to be extant. Perhaps Mike Marshall's site will have some comments or conclusions about this family. I would say there could well have been two (or more) separate and distinct Marshall families in the Northern Neck. Even with the relatively rare surname of ASHTON there are two distinct lines in the Northern Neck, though it seems probably the two immigrants (John of Westmoreland and Charles of Northumberland) were brothers. I simply have not done any research into the Marshall family to be of any help here. However, as to your second question about the area where John Berry was Surveyor of roads in Lancaster, succeeding William Ball. From the looks of the two areas described in your email (copied below), on a modern map it would be bounded SOMETHING like this: Starting at Towles Point, then up the Rappahannock River to about Deep Creek area then inland from St. Mary's White Chapel Church to around the western branch of the Currotoman to the main Western branch then "south" to the main Currotoman River back down to the Rappahannock River. It definitely included the area between William Ball's Millenbeck planation near to Towles Point and extended as far north as St. Mary's White Chapel (built on land of David Fox). Don't get too hung up on the term "forest." Joseph Ball just called it his "forest plantation." Not even "THE" forest. There were of course forests all over the place so that term is not particularly meaningful except that is usually denotes inland property. With respect to the Berrys in general, I keep saying I am going to go through all the NN Berry records to see if I can determine the origins of my ancestor John Berry and his wife Jemima who appear in Culpeper County by 1770 and owning land next to a MARSHALL in 1774. I don't have a lot of data on this John Berry and that can be another thread here one day-- and if someone else wants to pick it up now and get it started, so much the better. I don't think the Berry family has have ever been fully traced to any great extent. Not sure how big of a headache a surname like that might become. I'm sure there are more knowledgable people on this list who can address your Marshall questions. Craig On Nov 25, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Fred Duncan wrote: > 1670-1674 Lancaster County Order Book; Antient Press: pg 202 > Lancaster County Court 13th of September 1671 > - Mr. WILL BALL JUNR., is appointed Surveyour for ye Highwayes for ye yere > ensueinge & his boundes are to bee from ye CHURCH to ye hither side of the > Runn in DEEPE BOTTOME, & from ye CHURCH to ye MILL of DAVYD FOX & for ye > doeing whereof all ye inhabitants from the late plantacon of Mr. JOHN > EDWARDS (deced) & ye plantacons of RICHD: MERRYMAN & JOHN BERREY & soe > upwards to ye further extent of his p:cincts are ordered to bee lyeable to > ye sde. Worke accordinge to Acte. JOHN MOTTs plantacon included in this > p:cinct > 1670-1674 Lancaster County Order Book; Antient Press: pg 235a > Lancaster County Court 11th of September 1672 > - Att this Court, Capt. WILLIAM BALL & Mr. DANIEL HARRISON are dischardged > from ye Office of Surveyour & Capt. FOX, Mr. THOMAS MARSHALL & GEORGE HEALE > are ordered to succeede them. Capt. FOX to bee Surveyour from ye CHURCH > upwards to DEEPE BOTTOM and to take all the houses from his owne upp alonge > RAPPAHANNOCK RIVER side to DEEPE CREEKE. Mr. MARSHALL to bee Surveyour of > ye High. Waies from DOMINEs upp to ye CHURCH & to take in all the Houses > alonge ye RAPPAHANNOCK RIVER side upp to Capt. FOXs, and downe to Major > DALEs & JOHN BERREYs, and GEORGE HALE to bee Surveyour of ye Highwayes from > ye CHURCH to Capt. FOXes MILL & to take in RICHARD PRICEs House and THOMAS > MARTYN & soe alonge that side of CORRATOMON RIVER and soe alonge to CHARLES > RANGER and aboute to ye sde. MILL.