Craig,   The Walne article clearly states that Heck was the one who invented this bizarre parchment theory.  The quote (as Kathleen has already shared) is right here in Walne's own words (I don't see Heyden mentioned at all):     "Heck [note: _Colonel William Ball of Virginia_, pp. 16 ff. The arms are _Argent a lion passant sable on a chief of the second three mullets of the first_ with a crest _Out of clouds proper a demi lion rampant sable holding a globe or_.] shows clearly that the arms which were known to and claimed by the family in Virginia were identical or very similar to those granted in 1613 to Dr. Richard Ball, son of Lawrence Ball of Northamptonshire.   If Heck's statement is correct and Colonel William Ball did indeed bring 'an illuminated parchment' when he emigrated from England, then the origins of the family must be sought in the Northamptonshire line"   From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net>; va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Richard Ball, possible father of Wm the Immigrannt David, Wow. I do not how your are coming up with these conclusions. The only "parchments" I can remember reading about were papers only Hayden had seen. Not Walne. Walne never said anything except that William Ball, the emigrant, was NOT from Barkham Manor, he MAY have been from Northamptonshire, and that Hanna his wife was NOT a daughter of Thomas Atherold of London. There is nothing difficult here. Craig

Don, I really must apologize. This is such old news to me that I get agitated. Heck'd book is interesting up to page 5. Then it is ridiculous. Walne tries to fix parts of that. You have to read both of them. Then you have to go back to Hayden, and then back from there. As we speak, efforts are underway to build a FAQ page to put a permanent end to this repetitive stream of unconscienceness. This will include links to articles. There are copyright issues to resolve. Craig On Nov 1, 2012, at 5:34 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > Craig, > > The Walne article clearly states that Heck was the one who invented this bizarre parchment theory. The quote (as Kathleen has already shared) is right here in Walne's own words (I don't see Heyden mentioned at all): > > > "Heck [note: _Colonel William Ball of Virginia_, pp. 16 ff. The arms are _Argent a lion passant sable on a chief of the second three mullets of the first_ with a crest _Out of clouds proper a demi lion rampant sable holding a globe or_.] shows clearly that the arms which were known to and claimed by the family in Virginia were identical or very similar to those granted in 1613 to Dr. Richard Ball, son of Lawrence Ball of Northamptonshire. If Heck's statement is correct and Colonel William Ball did indeed bring 'an illuminated parchment' when he emigrated from England, then the origins of the family must be sought in the Northamptonshire line" > > From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> > To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net>; va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Richard Ball, possible father of Wm the Immigrannt > > David, > Wow. I do not how your are coming up with these conclusions. The only "parchments" I can remember reading about were papers only Hayden had seen. Not Walne. Walne never said anything except that William Ball, the emigrant, was NOT from Barkham Manor, he MAY have been from Northamptonshire, and that Hanna his wife was NOT a daughter of Thomas Atherold of London. There is nothing difficult here. > Craig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks. I guess I don't see the harm in discussing this information even if it is considered old news. Some people may not see it that way.    Anyway, I must move on to other things so will not be commenting further on this subject.   From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net>; va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Richard Ball, possible father of Wm the Immigrannt Don, I really must apologize. This is such old news to me that I get agitated. Heck'd book is interesting up to page 5. Then it is ridiculous. Walne tries to fix parts of that. You have to read both of them. Then you have to go back to Hayden, and then back from there. As we speak, efforts are underway to build a FAQ page to put a permanent end to this repetitive stream of unconscienceness. This will include links to articles. There are copyright issues to resolve. Craig