This is a wonderful list. I do not like to see the hateful discourse. -----Original Message----- >From: "Virginia L. \"Ginny\" Keefer" <ginnykeefer@cox.net> >Sent: Oct 29, 2012 8:20 PM >To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net>, va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Revised Patriarch List: William Ball, I & Hannah Atherold > > >Hi David, What dates are you giving to William Ball and what place do you >have listed for him living ? I am retired with time on my hands and want to >take a look too. Thanx. Ginny Keefer >************************************************** >-----Original Message----- >From: DAVID BROWN >Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:35 PM >To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Revised Patriarch List: William Ball,I & >Hannah Atherold > >Craig, > >You’re right in that I should have listed William Ball, I & Hannah Atherold. >However, I wasn’t sure how conclusive the evidence is for this marriage to >Hannah Atherold, and I also wasn’t entirely confident of my own data on >William Ball, I as far as dates were concerned (I had more concrete data on >William Ball, II who married Margaret Williamson). > >I don’t know if there is documentation to support it, but I have seen Hannah >Atherold listed as the daughter of Thomas Atherold and Mary Vesey (Atherold >was a Suffolk, England family). I have always found this supposed Vesey >connection intriguing as I see this surname elsewhere. For instance, the >Dameron Family Association has conducted research (led by John Dameron whose >sister Syl Vaden is a member of this List) of the Damerons in Suffolk, >England and found a marriage record for George Dameron to Elizabeth Gosnold >in 1555 in Suffolk, England. George Dameron & Elizabeth Gosnold (married >1555) may possibly be the great-grandparents of emigrant ancestor Lawrence >Dameron who was married to Dorothy MNU. It appears this Elizabeth Gosnold >who married George Dameron in 1555 was the daughter of Edmund Gosnold and >Grace MNU. Edmund Gosnold had nephew Robert Gosnold who married Mary >Vesey. This Robert Gosnold and Mary Vesey are >ancestors of Bartholomew Gosnold, the Jamestowne founder. > >Lazarus Taylor of Northumberland Co., VA supposedly married Mary Vesey. I >don’t have proof, but suspect that this Lazarus Taylor is a brother (or >related somehow) of the widow Elizabeth Dennis who married George Dameron, >son of emigrant ancestor Lawrence Dameron (I descend from two of the sons of >emigrant Lawrence Dameron & Dorothy MNU – Bartholomew who married Elizabeth >Garlington and George who married widow Elizabeth Dennis). > >Anyway, this brings us back to a question previously discussed on this List. >Where is the English home of the William Ball, I family? Suffolk or >perhaps even Norfolk seem to me to be likely locations. Here is an excerpt >from the William & Mary Quarterly on this subject: > >http://www.jstor.org/stable/1915162 > >Thanks. > >David > >P.S. The following is of interest as well as it actually connects Vesey to >Gosnold & Ball (specifically Roger Ball of Hadleigh). > >1559 Will of Robert Vesey (Source: Suffolk Manorial Families, Being the >County Visitations and Other ..., Volume 1 edited by Joseph James Muskett): >Robert Vesey of Hadley in the countye of Suffolk, clothier, 11 Octr 1559. To >the children of William Vesey by his first and second wives, when of age. To >the children of Lawrence Vezey, viz, :—Abram, Isaacke, and Laurance when >twenty four, and to Rose, Dorathe, Margaret, Anne, Alice and Marye Vesey, >when twenty years of age. To John Smith, sonne of William Smith of Hadley: >Anthony Gosnold, sonne of Robert Gosnold, late of Ottley: Alice Gosnold my >maide: Judith Gosnold daughter of said Robert: Elizabeth Smith, dwelling >with me, daughter of John Smith of Elmsett: Roger Ball of Hadleigh my >kinsman: Katherine Cole, daughter of Rose Cole. To William Vesey my sonne my >lands in Leigham. To Arture Vesey my sonne the howso I dwell in for life; >then to Robert Vesey his sonne , then, for lack of sonnes to said Arthur and >Robert, to Laurence Vesey* sonne late of Laurence Vesey sonne of me ) and >then, failing issue males, to Isaacke Vesey. Lands to Arthur Vesey for >life, then to Robert Vesey his eldest sonne. To the said Arthur Vesey lands >in Roydon. To Dorathe Vesey daughter of William Vesey. To Laurence Smith, >sonne of John Smith, lands in Roydon. To William Vesey sonne of William >Vesey; Ingelbrighte Smithe, sonne of John Smith of Elmsett: Henry Vesey >sonne of William Vesey: Robert Smith sonne of John Smith of Elmsett: Edward >Smith sonne of John Smith of Elmsett; John Gosnold sonne of Robert Gosnold >late of Ottley: William and John Gosnold, also sonnes of the said Robert: >John Smith sonne of John Smith of Hadley; and Robert Smith th'elder. sonne >of John Smith of Elmsett. Probate 7 May 1561 Juramento Willmi Vesey >executoris. Cur. Pncrog. Cant. 16 Loftus. > >From: Craig Kilby persisto1@gmail.com >Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:23 PM >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Revised Patriarch List > >Just wondering here why David isn't using the emigrant, William-1 Ball >instead of his son William-2. Might make more sense if he did this: >BALL, William 1650-1680 Lancaster: David Brown >WILLIAMSON, James 1600s Essex: David Brown >I'd be tempted to add: >ATHEROLD, Hannah d 1695 Lancaster (widow of William-1 Ball): David Brown > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message