Jim, and all of the list, I have to admit that when Jim tagged on to the KILBY family twig it peaked my interest. This family was from Middlesex County, and one I had long slogged through and discarded as a possible ancestor of my own John Kilby of Culpeper County--much to my dismay but such is the work of good research practices. HOWEVER......the new ancestry tree has caused me to look through all those old notes and that family. And it reminds of a long over-due article on one Richard Barnes of Richmond County. My working title on him is "A Knotty Headed Son of Bitch" I did not make that phrase up. His own son-in-law called him that after an altercation at a Day At The Races. What makes this story so entertaining are his private and personal letters which I obtained from the Perkins Library at Duke University in 1993. I am only 25% going through them in terms of transcribing. They are a veritable 18th Century Soap Opera. Seriously, when you read that he locked one of his daughters up in his cellar and "set her to churning butter" because she wanted to marry a man the father did not like (he apparently did not like anybody), and her own brother set her free and rowed across the Potomac River so she could get married at her uncles house in St. Mary's County, Maryland, and the "knotty headed son of bitch" retaliates by cutting this son out of his will, you know you have a great story. My point here is how this ancestry tree is jogging old thoughts and long-forgotten files that I know I have, but they need to be shared. It's wonderful. Craig