Janean, agreed. Aside from my m Rooney-esque commentary, it is imperiive we look to New England for associations. Not long ago, I finally discovered that my ancestor Claude Vallot miraculously appeared in Middlesex County in 1666. Lo and behold, he had come from New Jersey as member of Lord Carteretets staff. He left that province for Virginia at exactly the same time as Cartertert was being evicted under penalty of death. Good reason move to warmer climates. The colonies were not so large and the trade ageements so huge that at this time they all had ties to one one other and of course in England. This was an early period of colonization. I just want to say we should always thing of looking in other places for records. Besides New England, they may include Bermuda and the Bahamas. Let your mind rome free. What has always struck me about Claud Vallott wa his aka name "Champage" As it all turns out, he was the 16 year old "menial" servant of Phiiip Carterter. In those days, "menial" meant something quite diffferent from today's meaning. More akin to household/personal staff. In young Claud's case, he was the only "servant" to receive land grants from Carteret, an sent on on least one expedition to requisition a pirate ship (according to Cartertet) BTW, there are probably more that a few descendants of Claud Vallott on this list. He married ca 1690 to Ann Jenkinson of Cumberland County England. This marriage was in Middlesex County, VA. This couple had two daughters: (1) Catherine Vallott, b 02 SEP 1690, married in 1714 to Samuel Batchelder (2) Ann Vallott, b. 31 Jul 1694, married in 1708 at a tender age to Stokley-2 Towles of Accomack County. They had 13 children. The Towles name may ring more than a few bells. in the Northern Nek. While Stokeley-2 Towles by two wives spawned a total of 15 children (including one of my ancestors), it is his bother Henry-2 who commands the most attention here in the Northern Neck. Like his brother, he too married a girl of French Huguenot descent. She was Hannah Theriott, daughter of Dominique Theriott of Lancaster County. He is he reason there is a place called Towles Point in Lancaster County, though he actually purchased that property from a previous owner. Craig On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Janean Ray wrote: > > Craig I loved your comments about the "Pilgrims" > > > "every Thanksgiving he writes some soppy story about the "Pilgrims" and the > "First Thanksgiving" > > "Of all the characters of the Plymouth Colony, Stephen Hopkins, a reprobate > who had earlier been run out of Jamestown, stands out as my favorite. > Perhaps reprobate is too strong, but he was always at odds with authorities, > and and saved my own direct ancestor Jonathan Hatch who later founded > Barnstable, MA out of deep do doo." > > In researching and certifying my two Mayflower Lines Isaac Allerton and > William Brewster I have found how very proud these people are of their > heritage almost to the "creepiness factor" and in what high regard the hold > them. And although I am so very proud of what they endured....... To get > here...... What they did AFTER they got here is something different. > > And MY FAVORITE.... Is my Isaac Allerton who basically was embezzeling the > colony. He began many business ventures on his own but relying on the > Colony's credit to do so and of course these ventures failed....leaving the > colony in debt. > > He was put in charge of going back to Europe and bringing over trade goods > to sell with the natives...... However he brought back retail goods to sell > to the colonists and the fisherman..... He also kind of forgot to marck > which goods were his and which belonged to the colony.... When the ship's > cargo was unloaded (of course it was all packed together) and the colonist > started opening and unloading seeing what Isaac had returned with........ He > was like....... NO, that's mine......... Yea, that's mine too....... NOPE > mine....... Etc. Coincidentally enough all the goods that Allerton claimed > to be HIS purchases....... were the most expensive items leaving the > colonists with the cheaper goods. > > Although Junior learned his trade as a merchant from his father hopefully he > learned by his father's mistakes and didn't continue the practice of ripping > people off in Virginia. > > > Janean > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig, Fwiw, I think some show this Philip Carteret as having married Elizabeth Smith, first (?) cousin to Abiah Folger, mother of Benjamin Franklin.   The Folger family was related (I think) to a Gibbs family which included John Gibbs (controversial Gov. of Carolina) who married Elizabeth Pride, great-niece of George Monck, a Carolina Proprietor.   Gov. John GIbbs had daughter Mary who married Martin Bladen (related to Fairfax family) and daughter Ann who married Nathaniel Rice.   Also, I found mention of Philip Carteret per below: SOURCE:   Early Records of North Carolina  Volume II Wills, Administrations, Inventories, Deeds 1677 – 1790.  (From the Secretary of State Papers).   Abstracted by Dr. Stephen E. Bradley, Jr.     SS 874.2 (1677-1701)  23-(12) 29 Mar 1680. Joshua Lambe and William Therill both of sd county apply as the greatest creditors to administer the estate of Abraham Kimberley of this county who died intestate.  Allexander Lillington and William Wilkiston apparently held items belonging to the estate.  Signed: Jno. Jenkins, Anthony Slocum, Will Craford, Robart Holden.  29 Mar 1680.  Joshua Lambe, William Therill and Capt. William Craford post bond of 30,000 pounds of tobacco for Joshua Lambe and William Therill to administer the sd estate.  Witnessed: John Jenkins, Robt. Holden.     29-(22) 29 Mar 1680.  Alexander Lillington and William Therill both of sd county as nearest of kin apply to administer the estate of Thomas Cooke who died intestate.  Robart West and Timothy Meads to appraise.  Signed: John Jenkins, Anthony Slocum, Robt. Holden, William Crafford.     184-(156) 15 Nov 1676 in London .  Peter Carteret of Island of Jersey in County of Hampshire grants power of attorney to Capt. Wm. Craford of Albemarle Co., in Province of Carolina.  Witnessed by John Speire, J.H. Gregorie, John Harvey, Thomas Harvey.    24 Nov 1677.  John Harvey testified before Timo. Biggs.    Note by David:  William Crafford was also mentioned in the will of Dorothy Harvey (her maiden name was Tooke).  Her husband, John Harvey, was Governor of Carolina.  It is believed John Harvey was an uncle to Joseph & Matthew Commander.   In 1763, Joshua Sugg (father of Abigail who married in Wake Co., NC in 1773 to John Rice, Jr., son of John Rice, Sr. & Sarah Carruthers) purchased land from Samuel Commander in Johnston Co., NC.   Thanks. David ________________________________ From: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 9:01 AM Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] The New England Factor & Claud Vallott Janean, agreed. Aside from my m Rooney-esque commentary, it is imperiive we look to New England for associations. Not long ago, I finally discovered that my ancestor Claude Vallot miraculously appeared in Middlesex County in 1666. Lo and behold, he had come from New Jersey as  member of Lord Carteretets staff. He left that province for Virginia at exactly the same time as Cartertert was being evicted under penalty of death. Good reason move to warmer climates. The colonies were not so large and the trade ageements so huge that at this time they all had ties to one one other and of course in England. This was an early period of colonization. I just want to say we should always thing of looking in other places for records. Besides New England, they may include Bermuda and the Bahamas. Let your mind rome free. What has always struck me about Claud Vallott wa his aka name "Champage"  As it all turns out, he was the 16 year old "menial" servant of Phiiip Carterter. In those days, "menial" meant something quite diffferent from today's meaning. More akin to household/personal staff.  In young Claud's case, he was the only "servant" to receive land  grants from Carteret, an sent on on least one expedition to requisition a pirate ship (according to Cartertet)