Craig is right to doubt Elizabeth Thompson as wife of Edwin Conway 2d. She was Elizabeth Thornton. G.H.S. King, _Marriages of Richmond County, VA, 1668-1853_ (Easley, SC: Southern Historical Press, 1986), pp. 43-44: "CONWAY, EDWIN [Gentleman] (c. 1640-1698) married (1) Sarah Walker (c. 1663-1695), daughter of Colonel John Walker (16??-1668/9) by whom he had two children; m(2) 21 May 1695 Elizabeth Thornton (1674-1732/3), daughter of Francis and Alice (Savage) Thornton (q.v.), by whom he had an only child. Elizabeth (Thornton) Conway, widow, m(2) by 3 March 1698/9 Jonathan Gibson, Gentleman (16??-1729) and left issue by him. This last marriage is confirmed by COB #2, p. 331, 396, 442, and other records. Hayden, p. 231 favors us with a copy of the will of Edwin Conway, Gentleman, once of record in now lost WB#1, but errs in the surnames of both of his wives. The Rev. Mr. Hayden also fails to recognize the second marriage of the widow Conway to Jonathan Gibson, Gentleman, and her issue by him. If this marriage had been known to the Honorable T. Elliott Campbell, this fact would have explained considerable in regard to Jonathan Gibson and his family, so often mentioned by him in his _Colonial Caroline_ (Richmond, 1954). President James Madison (1751-1836), born upon his maternal ancestral lands at Port Conway, King George County, indicates in a genealogical diagram that his mother, Eleanor Rose ("Nellie") Conway (1731-1829), was the daughter of Francis and Rebecca (Catlett) Conway and granddaughter of Edwin and Elizabeth (Thornton) Conway. (_Madison Papers_, Volume I, p. 211). Bible record of Francis Thornton, Senior, Gentleman (1651-1726) in the Virginia Historical Society. There is an imperfect account of the Jonathan Gibson family by Olive Nelson Gibson in her _Descendants of John Nelson Sr. - Mary Toby, Stafford County, Virginia, 1740-1959 with Related Families_ (Redlands, California, 1961), p. 222 et seq." P. 77: "GIBSON, JONATHAN [GENTLEMAN] (16??-1729) of Richmond and King George counties, married by 3 March 1698/9 Elizabeth (Thornton) Conway (1674-1732/3), daughter of Francis and Alice (Savage) Thornton (q.v.) and widow of Edwin Conway, Gentleman (c. 1640-1698) of Richmond County (q.v.). COB#2, P. 331, 396, 442; see references cited under Edwin Conway, p. 43-44." Sarah Walker's mother, Sarah Burden, was married first to Col Henry Fleete, by whom she had a son, Henry Fleete. She m. 2) John Walker and had 3 daughters, Mary (possibly illegitimate, as she is called Mary Burden, not Mary Walker), Sarah Walker, and Esther Walker. She m. 3) Col John Stone and had a fourth daughter, Anne Stone. Henry Fleete was Sarah Walker's half-brother and thus Edwin Conway's brother-in-law. W.A. Crozier was confused when he said Conway's wife was Sarah Fleete, daughter of Henry. Sarah (Burden) Fleete Walker Stone declared in 1672 (Old Rap Co D/B5, pp. 10, 98) that her previous will was revoked and void, because her children had little respect for Col. Stone. Her son Henry Fleete was not to receive the silver buckle and one silver spoon, one feather bed and boulster, etc. when he came of age. I can't solve the problem of which children were Anne Ball's and which Anne Hack's. Edwin Conway 3d had nine children by two wives, or possibly eight, as we found 2 daughters named Anne in various accounts. The only child for whom I have a birthdate is Millicent b 1727. I agree that certainly George was a son of Anne Hack. I don't have a documented death date for either wife (though see below for Anne Hack's death date); Edwin d 1763, as Craig says. Linda Lawhon, a now deceased expert researcher, sent me this transcription: Conway Family of Virginia from the Richmond, Virginia, Times-Dispatch of January, 10th, 1904. "Third Generation "Edwin 3 ( and I cannot read all of this part) m1 Ann Ball in 1704, dau of ____ and Elizabeth Romney. He m 2 Ann Hack 1696-1747. Issue: 1. Elizabeth m. 1724 Christopher Garlinton 2. Anne m. 1729 Robert Edmonds 3. Mary m. THOMAS GASKINS 4. Agatha m. 1737 Cuthbert Spann 5. Peter m.1 Bettie Spann, m2 Bettie Lee 6. George m. Ann Heath 7. Hannah m. 1746 Tunstall Hack 8. Milicent m. 1742 Jas. Gordon." The newspaper did not cite sources, but it probably drew from the next citation (Wm & Mary College Quarterly is viewable through JSTOR if your library has a subscription): "Gaskins Family," WMCQ 11, no. 4 (Apr 1903), pp. 278-279: "Thomas^4 Gaskins (Thomas^3, Josias^2, Thomas^1), married Mary Conway, daughter of Col. Edwin Conway. His will, of which no copy exists, was presented in court by the exors. Mrs. Mary Gaskins and Mr Charles Jones August 8, 1737. He had issue, named in the will of Elizabeth Schreever: Elizabeth, Thomas, Edwin, Sarah Anne, John, and Ann." Kathleen Much On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 Craig wrote: > I am tasked with working out kinks and discrepancies in a revised > "Descendants of William ball" chart for the Mary Ball Washington. Based on > previous research by many of us, but notably Margaret Lester Hill, our > Executive Karen Hart, gave me a draft version yesterday with a list of 13 > discrepancies. > > I am hoping my fellow list members can point to a definitive resource on > the early Conway family in Virginia. > > Three of them involve Ann-3 Ball (Joseph-2, William-1) and her husband > Edwin Conway III. > > The most definitive work I can find on early Conways has been by Nancy S. > McBride in "Gordon Kinship (n.p.: McClure Printing Company, Inc., 1973) p. > 233-243. Edwin Conway III married twice: (1) Ann Ball ca 1704 and > who--according to McBride--died ca 1728 and (2) Ann Hack, daughter of Peter > and Mary (----) Hack. Hill gives the wife of Peter Fox as wife as > Elizabeth FOX. I don't know which one is correct. The only will for a Peter > Fox in Virginia is in Accomack County in 1717. He names his wife as > executrix but does not giver her a name. I suppose checking the Order Books > would be a simple solution for the name of his wife at the time he died. > > For Edwin Conway II, his father, McBride says she is Sarah Walker. I am > confused as to the name of his 2nd wife. His will in now-lost Richmond > County Will Book 1 mentions a brother-in-law Henry Fleete but in what > context this is meant is not at all clear. Others say his 2nd wife was an > Elizabeth Thompson, though I doubt this. > > Edwin II had one sister, Mary Conway who married (2) James Ball. I have not > begun to dig into this yet. > > Now, the really bugaboo is by which wife did Edwin Conway III have which > children? According to McBride, "Genealogists now agree, partly because of > names and dates, that all of his daughters were of the first marriage [to > Ann Ball] and both sons of the second marriage [to Ann Hack.] I am inclined > to agree with her. Certainly George Conway was the son of Ann Hack, as he > named a son Peter Hack Conway. > > Now we get into a discrepancy on the daughters and their spouses. > > McBride lists five: > > 1. Elizabeth mar Christopher Garlington in 1724. This is not in doubt. > > 2. Ann married Robert Edmonds. This is not in doubt, though are no Edmonds > grandchildren named in the will of Edwin Conway III. > > 3. Mary mar Thomas Gaskins. This IS in doubt. She is not included in Hill's > list. The only thing I've found stating this is *Virginia Genealogies from > William & Mary Quarterly* vol. II, p. 91. I don't know when it was > originally written, or by whom. I need to look up the original. This is not > in doubt, though are no Gaskins grandchildren named in the will of Edwin > Conway III. > > 4. Agatha Conway married Cuthbert Spann. This is not in doubt. But, there > are no Spann grandchildren named in the will of Edwin Conway III. > > 5. Millicent Conway, married Col. James Gordon. This is not in doubt for > his own bible tells us so. Still, are no Gordon grandchildren named in the > will of Edwin Conway III. > > Peggy Hill adds another daughter, who IS in doubt: > > 6. Hannah, who per Hill citing Tyler's Quarterly Vol. 7, p 253-262 (which > I have not reviewed), married Tunstall Hack. This may or may not be true. > The will of Tunstall Hack does name some of the heirs of Edwin Conway III > (Ann, above, and grandson George, son of George). > > While Hill does not specifically state who is the mother of which child, > McBride is of the opinion that the two sons (Peter and George) are by Ann > Hack. > > Meanwhile, this is at most 8 children. In The McCarty's of the Northern > Neck, William McCarty and our fellow list member Kathleen Much do not give > much attention to this family but merely state that Ann Ball married Edwin > Conway III and "had nine children." > >