Janean, Yes, Elder John Tarpley was the twin of Elizabeth. Elizabeth died young. It is this John "the Elder" who is the thrust of Scott's research. A careful reading of the will of John I (he outlived his son John II) should reveal that he names two grandsons named John, and they are two different people. A careful reading of the estate division of John II you refer to also substantiates this. John "Jr." died with no children. The Elder John married and had children, as Scott will show. Craig On Sep 5, 2011, at 9:48 AM, Janean Ray wrote: > Ok thanks Craig I will await clarification from Scott and find out how I can > get copies of the magazine and/or article. The only explanation as to why > "John the Elder" wasn't mentioned in the wills would be either he was dead > or he had already been provided for. > > I had Elizabeth.... and here's the interesting thing.... I had her and John > the Elder listed with same birth date. Were they twins? Did their mother > Elizabeth die after child birth? I look forward to hearing what Scott has > to say about these two Johns. > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:09 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Correction re Tarpley > > Janean: > > (1) I was mistaken in that Scott Tracy was a member of this list. He was > not. But, he has asked to be subscribed which I have done, and I will let > him address many of these issues. > > On Sep 4, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > >> I will enjoy reading these articles, but can I purchase them individually > or >> do I need to subscribe? How can I get them? > > I will let Scott address that question. When one publishes for the Magazine > of Virginia Genealogy there are certain copyright issues involved, though > those are negotiable, and I had no part in his dealings on that subject with > them. > >> >> John Tarpley Jr. and Elizabeth Travers were my 7th Great-grandparents >> through their son Travers Tarpley. >> >> To my knowledge, John and Elizabeth Ripping had sons Edward, James and >> Tertius Quintus Ripping. Her father Edward Ripping whose will made May > 12, >> 1734 named his daughter and three of his grandsons Edward, James and >> Quintus. > > There were five children. You omitted Elizabeth who died young and John, Jr. > (2nd of the name, d. 1763, with no children. He is the one Colonial > Williamsburg says was the father of William and Thomas, but clearly > Elizabeth Ripping Tarpley's will dispels that notion) This 2nd John is what > has caused so much confusion, because there was "John The Elder" son of the > first marriage to Elizabeth Travers. This is the thrust of Scott's research > and future articles. >> >> John's will distribution of slaves mentions Travers, Edward, James and > John. >> The estate was settled in 1745. Tertius had died prior to that however he >> was named in his grandmother Mary Ripping's will 23 Aug. 1744. Mary > Ripping >> mentions her other three grandsons James, Quintus and John and leaves them >> property that they are to receive as they attain the age of twenty one >> years. > > See above > >> >> So my question is... if Elizabeth Travers d. after 28 May 1720 and John >> Tarpley m. shortly thereafter Elizabeth Ripping...... c. 1721/22 it sounds >> to me that the child John was that of Elizabeth Ripping and John Tarpley > and >> not him having a John by both women. There is no mention of John in > Edward >> Rippings will in 1734 however there was a John named in the distribution > of >> slaves of his father in 1745. > > See above. He indeed did have two sons both named John--John the Elder and > John Jr.--, by two different wives, both named Elizabeth. This has been > hashed out pretty well by Scott, and supporting "opinion" was in an addendum > that George H. S. King wrote to his "Marriages of Richmond County" in which > this is explained. > > While I'm at it, "Tory Tom" Tarpley, the Doctor who later came back to > Richmond County, was the son of "Elder John" Tarpley. > > In essence, we have: > > John Tarpley I mar (three times, but only had one child by wife Elizabeth > Glascock: > > John Tarpley II > mar (1) Elizabeth Travers by whom (among others) > > "John The Elder" > > mar (2) Elizabeth Ripping by whom (among others) > > "John Jr." > > > I'm sure Scott will help to clarify this. > > Craig > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >