To all, I would like to add without DNA the progress although very slow would not have been possible without this filter system to eliminate people who are not the correct DNA. Many instances of several different Butler lines marrying into another surname line. Also, sharing of information is something that many for whatever reason do not do. No one is out to disprove anothers information in my opinion, just to look for the sources and verify information. Not all the old writings people rely on are correct, and although they produce a guide, that is basically all it is. I share all I can find in the hopes of solving my own ancestry. Along the way I have been gratified personally for helping others find their family, even though I have not found my own connections. Billie Sutton Smith M-0125 Butler History site -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bartlett <[email protected]> To: va-northern-neck <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 2:41 pm Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] DNA Janean Great questions all - if I don't give a satisfactory answer to some, ask again. I've been at this since 1974 (I worked for the Smithsonian 1978-80 and walked over to the Archives on lunch hours to scroll microfilms) - so I might be starting to geeze some - be gentle with me... You DO need male descendants to do Y-DNA testing - which is like a laser beam, looking back up the surname line and very effective for that line alone. Anyone (including you, Janean) can take the new Family Finder (FF) DNA test - this is NOT about the the all-male or all-female lines, it IS about the all-ancestor lines! Say you go back to the 7th generation, where you have 128 ancestors - you (Janean) have 1/128th of your DNA from each of those ancestors; 1/256th of each of your 8th generation ancestors, etc. - do you follow me so far? When you take the FF DNA test, they look at over 700,000 places across all of your DNA (vs 67 for Y-DNA or even 16,500 for a full mtDNA test). Computers analyze your results and compare it with everyone else's FF results in their database. The give you a list of names (WITH EMAILS) of everyone with a long string of DNA exactly like yours! The amount of matching DNA segments and their lengths determines if there is enough for them to declare you are almost certainly cousins, and for them to estimate whether you are probably 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th or "distant" cousins. If someone could tell you for almost certain, that a specific person on this list was your fourth cousin, wouldn't you want to compare ancestors with that person and determine your common ancestor? I sure would! And that's why I've corresponded with over 150 matches. Granted, it takes some work to show your ancestry to others and to slog through their trees for the one ancestral couple who is also yours. And, granted, some of your FF matches will be just starting out, or will come from a family in Finland with no known tie to America, or will be adopted and know nothing - but many have good trees and documentation and are eager to share with anyone who is probably their cousin. Your best bet to link with a Y-DNA participant is to correspond with the Admin of that list and ask the Admin to forward your request to the participant. About 2/3 of my project participants have allowed their kit number and name to be made public and I can respond to an outsider's query directly with a copy to the participant and link them together. Otherwise I can only forward the query to the participant, but often I know all about his ancestral line and can answer any question about it. That's what Admins should be able to do. I descend from Roland LAWSON and Lettice WALE three ways: Rowland LAWSON II c1644 through son Henry b c1678 m c1697 Mary SALLARD, through dau Sarah m 1720 Wm HATHAWAY John LAWSON b c1657 m 1680 Mary KILBEE, through son Epaphroditus b 1684 m 1710 Elizabeth DYMER, through dau Judith b 1710 m 1730 Francis TIMBERLAKE Letitiia m William HATHAWAY b 1636: grandfather of Wm above. Perhaps you and I both got large enough segments of the same DNA from these folks that came all the way down to us, that we would show up as a FF DNA match! Sign up for the Family Finder DNA test! Jim Bartlett On 09/26/11, Janean Ray<[email protected]> wrote: OK Jim, here's your chance to "esplain to Lucy" about DNA...lol First of all I have no male descendants to test ANY of my family lines except for my brother from one particular line because it comes down from all men through my father's father. All the rest of my lines go to my father then my grandmother back to Virginia and all the CHINN, BALL, TRAVERS ETC. ETC. lines and my understanding is you can't use women. Anyway..... IF I find someone has proven their line through DNA..... And I KNOW for certain that is my line.... How can I get hooked up with that person? Everyone I have ever spoken to or websites I've been directed to I get a bunch of batch numbers that mean absolutely nothing to me. So for instance..... Below: You mention Roland/Rowland Lawson...... Who I'm assuming is the spouse to Letitia Wales and son to John Lawson MY NOTES: John Lawson b. 1575, of "Brough Hall", England. He was son of Sir Ralph Lawson & Elizabeth Brough. He married Sarah Rowland on 1606, Brough hall, Catterick, Yorkshire, England. She was b. 1582, England. She was dau. of Richard Rowland Esq. & Joyce Lyttell. They also said Sarah's father was Thomas Rowland (most likely be Richard). They had four children. One of their son: Rowland Lawson Sr. b. 1608/17, England, came to America 1638 - Greer - early Virginia Immigrants. He was the son of John Lawson & Sarah Rowland. He married Lettice "Letitia" Wales on bef 1629 or bef 1636, Lancaster County, Virginia, d. aft 1661, Lancaster County, Virginia. She was dau. of George Wales & Lewys (no last name). George Wales first settle in Maryland, d. Mar 1670/71, Lancaster County, Virginia. Lewys (no last name) b. bet 1610-11, England, d. aft Aug 1689. Rowland Lawson & Lettice "Letitia" Wales had eight children. NOW....... Roland was my 9th great grandfather. Allegedly! SO if this DNA has say been proven to YOU.... And you are some person I've never met... On a Lawson DNA website how do people like me get involved??? Get connected to the person who belongs to this line? I have found in the little bit I've looked into - these people are not very forthcoming with information. Its like THEY shelled out the money to get tested and don't want to share their information. Is that just the nature of the beast and not everyone is like that? What are your thoughts? And what is Eppa; Henry mean? I don't mean to sound ignorant but there are a lot of areas of genealogy I have yet to explore... Some things come natural to some and not so much to others. I learn by asking questions because with adult A.D.D. I often find it difficult to try and read and comprehend some of this stuff so I do a lot of asking questions and just pushing buttons to see where it gets me. LOL I have a hard enough time just trying to digest all the verbiage posted on here sometimes. LAWSON, Roland b 1617 England; to VA 1633; four generations Lancaster Co, VA thru 1700s: Eppa; Henry Thanks, Janean ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-N[1][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:[email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message