OK gang slow down here a minute and let me catch up. LOL Who was Richard-1 married to... aka the mother of James, John and Richard Selden (who m. Elizabeth Chinn..... etc) I did not have Elizabeth as a child of John and Sarah Yates. I just recently acquired a second brother. I had one Selden and that was John who m. Sarah Ball and had no parents for him so I'm trying to get these dots connected. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:14 PM To: mike marshall; [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Mary Conway and James Ball Mike, this is correct. She was the daughter of Maj. James Ball of Bewdley and his 2nd wife Mary Conway. This brings up two omissions in both Peggy Hill's book and Ida J. Lee's abstract of the will of James Ball. It is true that James Ball's 1754 will names on one Selden grandson: John to whom land in [then] Prince William County, and that is the only Peggy Hill lists for this couple. However, the 1771 will of Richard Selden names three sons: James, John and Richard (who m. Elizabeth CHINN, d/o John Chinn & Sarah Yates.). To sons John and Richard, he leaves 1,000 of land in Fauquier County (formed 1759 from Pr. William) "left to him by his grandfather Major James Ball." by "him" he means his son John Selden. Richard is probably entitled to a share since other language in this will refers to a marriage contract between himself and Col James Ball "in behalf of our children. and this implies that James Selden was a son by previous marriage. This contract is also referred to in the will of of Sarah Ball you cite below. I am assuming the 1742 will of Sarah Ball is for Sarah (Young) Ball, widow of Richard-3 Ball. Craig On Sep 18, 2011, at 8:27 AM, mike marshall wrote: > ok I think I figured it out.... Richard Sheldon married Mary Ball > > === > Abstracts of Lancaster County, Virginia Wills [Ida J. Lee] > BALL, Sarah. Will. 6 Aug. 1742. Rec. 10 Sept. 1742. > Legatees: Daus. Easter Glascock, Margaret Ball, John Selden, Gr. son Wm. Montague, Gr. dau. Frances Lawry. Extr. Wm. Glasscock. Mention is made of a marriage betw. her gr. son Richard Selden and the dau. of James Ball. Wits. Margaret Williamson, Eliz. McTire and Wm. Ball. W.B. 13, p. 301. > === > Abstracts of Lancaster County, Virginia Wills [Ida J. Lee] > SELDEN, Richard. 27 Jan. 1769. Rec. 17 Jan. 1771. > Wife: Mary Selden. Son: James. "If he should die before his present wife, then executors to sell so much of estate of sd son James as will comply with a contract of marriage between Col. James Ball and myself in behalf of our children." Sons: John & Richard, 1000 acres of land in Fauquier Co. left him by his grandfather, Maj. James Ball. Exors: Wife and 3 sons, James, John & Richard. Wits: Thos. Brent, Mils Ball, John Taylor. W.B. 20, p. 8. > > From: mike marshall <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Mary Conway and James Ball >> >> >> >> >> James Ball's 1754 will and Richard Ball's 1727 will both show a daughter Selden. >> >> Richard's daughter Sarah married John Selden and one of James Ball's daughters married an unknown Selden >> >> Which daughter was James referring to as "Selden"? >> >> >> James Ball's 1754 <snip>: >> >> Item I give to my Daughter Sinah and my four grand Sons viz. Jesse Ball son of my Daughter Frances, James Ewell and James Ewell son of Eve Ewell and John Selden and their heirs five thousand acres of land in Prince Wm County to be laid off at the upper end of my mountain tract to them and their heirs equally amongst them. >> Item I give to my daughter Selden and her heirs ye land I bought of Benjamin Taylor. >> Item I give to my five Daughters all my household goods except my plate. The best bed and furniture which I give to my Son James. >> >> Richard Ball's 1727 <snip>: >> >> Item I give to my daughter Sarah Selden my plantation where on I now live and my water mill & all the land that lays be low that road from colo. Willm Balls mill to Cundiffs to her and the heirs forever lawfully begotten and for want of such heirs then to my daughter Margaret Ball & the second heirs male of her and my Son in law Wm Ball Jun'rs body lawfully begotten forever and for want of such then to the heirs male of their two bodies lawfully begotten & to the second son of that heir male & his heirs male forever Lawfully begotten >> From: Janean Ray <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Mary Conway and James Ball >>> >>> I show 9 of the 10 including the two who died. So I'm missing one. >>> >>> Francis b. 12 Oct. 1709 >>> Sarah b. 13 Jan 1711 >>> Eve b. 24 Dec. > 1713 >>> Jesse b. 27 Jun 1716 d. 11 Aug. 1747 m. Mary Smith d/o J. Phillip Smith and >>> who also m. Col. John Lee and John Smith. Here lyeth interred the body of >>> Jesse Ball Gent. He was born 27th day of June 1716 and departed this life >>> the 11th day of Aug. 1747, in the 32nd year of his age >>> James b. 31 Dec. 1718 d. 24 Nov. 1789 m. Mildred UNK Here lieth the body >>> of Mildred Ball Wife of James Ball Jun'r, Gent. who departed this life the >>> 1st day of Dec'r 1751 in the 26th year of her age leaving one son and three >>> daughter, having faithfully discharged the several duties incumbent on a >>> wife and parent, a neighbour & a christian. >>> >>> In memory of (drawing of a willow tree in between two vertical tombstones) >>> >>> Col. James Ball 2nd son of James & Mary BAll, his 2nd wife daughter of Edwin >>> Conway. Born Dec. 31st, 1718. Died Nov'r 24th, 1789. >>> >>> Mary b. 6 Apr 1721 >>> Edwin b. > 1723 >>> Jeduthan b. 9 Jul 1725 d. 5 Mar. 1749 m. Elizabeth Fox UNK parents. Here >>> lies the Body of Mr. Jeduthan Ball son of Col. James Ball of Lancaster Co. >>> Born the 9th day of July, 1725, and died the 5th day of March, 1749, in the >>> 25th year of his age. >>> >>> Jeduthan Ball was the fourth son of Col. James Ball and Mary Conway, and was >>> brother to James and Jesse Ball, whose tombs are near his own. He marreid >>> Elizabeth Fox, and was father of Col. Burgess Ball, of the Revolution. >>> >>> Sinah b. 14 Feb 1727 >>> >>> Which child am I missing? I probably have them lingering out there in my >>> database awaiting a connection to a family. >>> >>> >>> >>> Janean >>> >>> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janean, you should know by know what a tangled mess of yarn these NN families are. Yes, it is complicated and confusing. There just were not that many marriage partners for the upper crust in those days. Canonical law be .....well, I'll just say it was widely ignored when it was inconvenient. The Seldons were a brief but much needed puff of fresh blood into this increasingly stagnating gene pool. Let's see if we can simplify it just a bit with regards to your line of interest: On Sep 18, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > OK gang slow down here a minute and let me catch up. LOL Who was Richard-1 > married to... aka the mother of James, John and Richard Selden (who m. > Elizabeth Chinn..... etc) It actually starts, as far as I can back so far, with John-1 of Elizabeth City County. He married Sarah-4 Ball (Richard-3, William-2, William-1). Bond in Lancaster County dated 14 OCT 1726. THEIR SON RICHARD-2 SELDON married Mary Conway, daughter of Edwin Conway III and Mary BALL (James-3, William-2, William-1) Bond in Lancaster County dated 21 OCT 1741 and a marriage contract (which I have not seen and do not know yet if it was recorded.) THEIR SON RICHARD-3 SELDON married Elizabeth CHINN, daughter of John Chinn and Sarah Yates. They were married in Lancaster County on 14 JUN 1803 (bond.) This was her 2nd husband. Her first husband was William O. Nutt, whom, as Elizabeth CHINN, she married in Lancaster on 6 NOV 1796. She died (as Elizabeth SELDON) in Lancaster in 1848, testate. By her husband Richard-3 Seldon, she had one son, Richard Y. Seldon, a doctor who died before his mother, unmarried and with no children in 1835. From this point you are well advised to check out the Lancaster Estates Database which is on line from mbwm.org under "Lancasters Estates." from the home page. And believe me, this took me a long while to sort out when we did that database. > > I did not have Elizabeth as a child of John and Sarah Yates. I just > recently acquired a second brother. I had one Selden and that was John who > m. Sarah Ball and had no parents for him so I'm trying to get these dots > connected. I can assure you she is. By her first husband, William O. Nutt, she had a one daughter named Elizabeth Chinn NUTT who became the wife of Joseph Addison Carter, Jr. I'm going to leave it at there for now. Please check out the MBW database for more fun. I will only add one more thing: I am showing NINE children for John Chinn and Sarah Yates. This is John-4 CHINN (Joseph-3, Rawleigh-2, John-1). Wait until you get into the Dowmans with this bunch. Craig Craig