Suggestions for the Ball researcher going to England: Given the timing and location, *Easter Ball* and *Rawleigh Chinn's 1703 marriage* in England (if it can be verified) could quite well tie to Widow Mary (--) Johnson's 1707 marriage to Easter's dad, Joseph Chinn. It would be helpful if we could find a *Millenbeck* or the parish register for Stratford by Bow. We know the families traveled back and forth to England with some regularity, so maybe Mary Johnson was an Essex girl who married Joe in England rather than in VA. Elizabeth *Romney*/Ronney is supposed to have come from London and married Joseph Ball in 1675 or thereabouts. It's possible that her father, William, will turn up in Boyd's London Inhabitants. If so, we can narrow down the parishes where she might have married. I hauled out Phillimore and discovered that "Stratford by Bow in Essex" is most likely *St* *Mary's, Stratford-le-Bow, in Middlesex*. It's just across the river from West Ham, Essex, where present-day Stratford is. The index is not clear on the location of the registers-- nothing appears in the column for copies held at the SoG, but they do seem to be indexed in Boyd's Marriage Index (now on computers at SoG). We should check 1675-ish and 1700-1707 at the SoG. Phillimore's Index is now out of date concerning locations of registers and other indexes. I am virtually certain that Wm Ball's wife, Hannah, was not an Atherold. Peter Walne, "The English Ancestry of Colonel William Ball of Millenbeck," (VA Mag of History & Biography, 67:399-405), pretty well demolishes that claim, which dates back only to the mid-18th century. I'm not sure where we could find her real name, though. Kathleen Much

Kathleen FYI..... I just received a copy of a family lineage by a descendant of the Sarah Yates and John Chinn line and not too far down the line either.... Who wrote Col Joseph Ball b. May 25, 1649 m. 1st Miss Rogers - then widow Mary Johnson Anyway... Here is the line Esther Ball 1706 Raleigh Chinn Elizabeth Ball (1) Wife Unknown by me..... 1727............ Joseph Chinn Sarah Yates................ 1765............. John Chinn of Lancaster b. 1739 Joseph Chinn son of above............. John Yates........ Son of above Married Elizabeth Griffin Whose mother was Judith Ball Issue John Leroy and Jos. Wm. (descendant-living) (my father) married Marianna Smith of Mortico Hall ISSUE Gertrude Griffin............................. J.W. Chinn born 1836 who married Ro. S. Hipkins married in 1860 Gabriella Brockenbrough Sooooo this line of descent was either written by Gertrude or her brother J.W. Chinn and they are claiming ROGERS not Romney. I have an Ellen Rogers who m. George Heale Notes for Ellen Rogers: William Heale was born after the death of his father, therefore was not mentioned in his father's will. His mother Ellen survived her husband twelve years. Her will, dated October 15, 1710 was proved December 13, 1710. She bequeathed to her son WILLIAM the five hundred acre tract she bought from Mr. Thomas Taylor and Elizabeth his wife on the branches of Captain Richard Ball's mill and also a lot in Queen's Town. But if WILLIAM died without issue, this land was to go to her son John Heale. To her son William she gave three slaves, the furniture in her chamber, her stock of cattle and hogs as well as her brandy still. Her sons John and Joseph were given the money they owed her. Slaves and personalty were given to her daughters Ellen, Elizabeth and Sarah Heale equally. To her daughter Ellen Heale, she gave one hundred acres "lying at Cherry Point, formerly given me by my mother as by deed of gift for the same recorded amongst the records of the County" (Northumberland). In case Elizabeth died without heirs, this land was to go to her son John Heale. Her daughter Mrs. Hannah Ball, wife of Captain William Ball, was given L5 Sterling; her son George was given a silver hilted sword and belt which was his father's and her son Nicholas was given twenty shillings sterling as his full share of her estate. Her books were to be divided equally among her three daughters and her son William, but Joseph was to have one entitled "Dolton County Justice". John and Joseph were made overseers of WILLIAM until he came of age and the three of them were named executors of her will. Could there be anything to this ROGERS name? Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kathleen Much Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Ball research in England Suggestions for the Ball researcher going to England: Given the timing and location, *Easter Ball* and *Rawleigh Chinn's 1703 marriage* in England (if it can be verified) could quite well tie to Widow Mary (--) Johnson's 1707 marriage to Easter's dad, Joseph Chinn. It would be helpful if we could find a *Millenbeck* or the parish register for Stratford by Bow. We know the families traveled back and forth to England with some regularity, so maybe Mary Johnson was an Essex girl who married Joe in England rather than in VA. Elizabeth *Romney*/Ronney is supposed to have come from London and married Joseph Ball in 1675 or thereabouts. It's possible that her father, William, will turn up in Boyd's London Inhabitants. If so, we can narrow down the parishes where she might have married. I hauled out Phillimore and discovered that "Stratford by Bow in Essex" is most likely *St* *Mary's, Stratford-le-Bow, in Middlesex*. It's just across the river from West Ham, Essex, where present-day Stratford is. The index is not clear on the location of the registers-- nothing appears in the column for copies held at the SoG, but they do seem to be indexed in Boyd's Marriage Index (now on computers at SoG). We should check 1675-ish and 1700-1707 at the SoG. Phillimore's Index is now out of date concerning locations of registers and other indexes. I am virtually certain that Wm Ball's wife, Hannah, was not an Atherold. Peter Walne, "The English Ancestry of Colonel William Ball of Millenbeck," (VA Mag of History & Biography, 67:399-405), pretty well demolishes that claim, which dates back only to the mid-18th century. I'm not sure where we could find her real name, though. Kathleen Much ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janean, To clarify to our readers, the information you are citing was a document found handwritten in the 1880s in Kentucky. I wouldn't want people to think this came from your research. I agree the Romney/Rogers or maybe something else entirely is up in the air. NOW...I will again be the lone dissenter on the name "Esther" Ball. It was EASTER Ball. That is how she clearly signed her own name to her own will (admittedly, I only have the recorded copy, but the clerk who copied it would have no doubt known her name quite well, considering all the consternation she had with her husband Rawleigh Chinn.) And, she is almost always referred to as EASTER in the records, not ESTHER. But, this has become so rampantly disseminated and repeated for so long I doubt I will ever be able to stamp it out. Frankly, I don't put a lot of stock in Gertrude Chinn Brockenbrough's data, as she was living in Kentucky and writing two centuries after the fact. And her lack of information on others is evident. I am of the opinion she was in correspondence with Rev. Horace Hayden as it was at this time he was writing his book. I don't think she woke up one morning and decided to draw a genogram. Craig On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > Kathleen FYI..... I just received a copy of a family lineage by a descendant > of the Sarah Yates and John Chinn line and not too far down the line > either.... Who wrote Col Joseph Ball b. May 25, 1649 m. 1st Miss Rogers - > then widow Mary Johnson > > Anyway... Here is the line AS WRITTEN BY GERTRUDE CHINN BROCKENBROUGH ca 1888 BEGIN QUOTE: > > Esther Ball 1706 Raleigh Chinn > Elizabeth Ball (1) Wife Unknown by me..... 1727............ Joseph Chinn > Sarah Yates................ 1765............. John Chinn of Lancaster b. > 1739 > Joseph Chinn son of above............. John Yates........ Son of above > Married > Elizabeth Griffin > Whose mother was Judith Ball > Issue > John Leroy and Jos. Wm. > (descendant-living) (my father) > married Marianna Smith of Mortico Hall > > ISSUE > > Gertrude Griffin............................. J.W. Chinn born 1836 > who married Ro. S. Hipkins married in 1860 > Gabriella Brockenbrough END QUOTE

Kathleen, Thank you very much for these suggestions. He is only devoting one day of time for this, but I have forwarded your email to him. I also sent him another package today with some interesting leads from the *Gordon Kinship* book plus the two pages in your McCarty book on the English Balls. There are definite questions in my mind about both Hannah ATHERALL/ATHEROLD and Elizabeth ROMNEY (or ROGERS). But if has only one day, it may be best spent in Northamtonshire Record Office. Maybe he'll become so intrigued he'll give us more time. As you know, the records are scattered all over the place. His original offer was one day at PRO in Kew. I don't know how long he will be there. It is summer and he is a professor of chemistry, so off for the summer I hope, and staying with relatives so maybe he can have an open-ended schedule. Time will tell. This has been very timely for us, since it coincides with a total review of the early Ball generations and thus getting our files and citations in order--I have some corrections to make on the Hannah Ball Fox line and the Ann Ball Conway line. I'll be posting those shortly. Craig On Sep 13, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Kathleen Much wrote: > Suggestions for the Ball researcher going to England: > Given the timing and location, *Easter Ball* and *Rawleigh Chinn's 1703 > marriage* in England (if it can be verified) could quite well tie to Widow > Mary (--) Johnson's 1707 marriage to Easter's dad, Joseph Chinn. > > > It would be helpful if we could find a *Millenbeck* or the parish register > for Stratford by Bow. We know the families traveled back and forth to > England with some regularity, so maybe Mary Johnson was an Essex girl who > married Joe in England rather than in VA. > > Elizabeth *Romney*/Romney is supposed to have come from London and married > Joseph Ball in 1675 or thereabouts. It's possible that her father, William, > will turn up in Boyd's London Inhabitants. If so, we can narrow down the > parishes where she might have married. > > > > I hauled out Phillimore and discovered that "Stratford by Bow in Essex" is > most likely *St* *Mary's, Stratford-le-Bow, in Middlesex*. It's just across > the river from West Ham, Essex, where present-day Stratford is. The index is > not clear on the location of the registers-- nothing appears in the column > for copies held at the SoG, but they do seem to be indexed in Boyd's > Marriage Index (now on computers at SoG). We should check 1675-ish and > 1700-1707 at the SoG. Phillimore's Index is now out of date concerning > locations of registers and other indexes. > > > > I am virtually certain that Wm Ball's wife, Hannah, was not an Atherold. > Peter Walne, "The English Ancestry of Colonel William Ball of Millenbeck," > (VA Mag of History & Biography, 67:399-405), pretty well demolishes that > claim, which dates back only to the mid-18th century. I'm not sure where we > could find her real name, though. > > > Kathleen Much > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >