May I inquire before I input David Fox-1 if you know, who he was married to. THIS David Fox-2 is the only one I have. I only had as children Hannah and William so changing my database will be easy enough but I had Hannah as m. to Spencer Mottrom s/o John.... with daughter Mary who m. Joseph Ball and William Loury. With Mary Mottrom and Capt. Joseph Ball b. 15 Oct. 1680 d. 11 Sept. 1721. I show 5 children one of which and probably 1st born is Col. Spencer Ball b. 14 Mar 1707. and another son William Ball m. Hannah Kenner. SO if Hannah Fox didn't m. Spencer Mottrom I have a line of descent really really wrong. Can I get clarification on this Spencer Mottrom gentleman and exactly who he married if not Hannah Fox-2 and where this line truly belongs? Because once I change what I have to what you have..... this line is out there dangling. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:23 PM To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] David-2 Fox & Hannah Ball Hello all, I spent the afternoon (Tuesday, Sept 13, 2011) with MBW volunteer Barbara Whitbeck going through some inconsistencies in various sources, including Peggy Hill's *Ball Outline* and need to share our conclusions with all of you. I'll start with David-2 Fox and wife Hannah Ball, daughter of William-1 Ball, emigrant. This will be a change to many of your data bases. This couple had only four children, and only three who survived to adulthood. Son David-3 (b. 10 Oct 1672, died in infancy in Jan 1780, n.s.). The other three (and only other three) are: 1. Hannah Fox , b 25 JUL 1671 who married (1) Rodham Kenner and (2) Clement Spellman. She is named in the 1718 will of her brother as "sister Hannah Spellman." I don't when she died. 2. Capt. Samuel Fox, b. 28 Feb 1672/3. Married Ann Daingerfield. Died 1712, Lancaster County, intestate. His two children are named in the will of his brother William Fox as "niece Frances Fox" and "nephew David Fox." This will also names his "sister" [i.e. "sister-in-law"" Ann Fox. Some have confused the language of William's will go mean it was his blood sister and thus a daughter of David-2 Fox and Hannah Ball. This is not the case. 3. William Fox, b. 20 Jan 1673/4. Married Ann Chinn, daughter of John-1 and Alice (-----) Chinn. His 1718 will names wife Ann and only one child, a daughter Mary, who apparently died young. She is not named in the will of her mother, Ann (Chinn) Fox Chichester (widow of Richard Chichester, her 2nd husband). We believe this is how a fictional daughter Mary got added to some of the published genealogies as a child of David-2 Fox and Hannah Ball. His will also names "Sister" Catherine Heale, wife of George Heale. Again, she was a sister-in-law, and she was Catherine Chinn, another daughter of John-1 and Alice (-----) Chinn. And again, some have turned her into a blood sister of WIlliam Fox and such is not the case. There were two more to dispose of as children of David-1 Fox and Hannah Ball: Mary (explained above) and a questionable son Henry Fox. The source for Henry Fox being included as a child in this family SEEMS to go back to a footnote in Hayden's *Virginia Genealogies* when he says there was a Henry Fox in King William County who "MAY" be a son of David-1 Fox, father of David-2. Regardless, he is NOT a son in this family. And...believe it or not. This was the "easy" part today. I have two more corrections to send out in separate emails: the line of Ann Ball Conway and James-4 Ball of Bewdley. Those were a bit more entangled. Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janean: My focus has not been on David-1 Fox, but I have some done some work on him. According to what I have assembled: David-1 Fox, emigrant. First land patent was in 1650 for land on Morattico Creek in Lancaster County. That makes him a very early settler in the Northern Neck. His was Mary (-----), mother of three of his children, viz: (1) David-2 (m. Hannah Ball) (2) Hannah-2 (m. John-2 Mottrom, son of pioneer John-1 Mottrom of Northumberland & Westmoreland Counties) (3) Rebecca-2 (m. Robert Tomlin The 2nd wife of David-1 Fox was Ann MOTRROM, daughter of John-1 Mottrom, as above. Yes, this confusing quite quickly. (Supposedly) By Ann Mottrom, David-1 Fox had two more children: (4) William Fox (I have no further data at the moment) (5) Elizabeth Fox (I have no further data at the moment) But like I said, I haven't gotten into the nitty gritty of this bunch. It is not part of my immediate mission. I have several articles before me on this family to wade through. Your time line below looks to be very much in error. The people you are discussing are of MUCH later vintage, well into the 1700s. Good thread to start, however. Craig On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:01 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > May I inquire before I input David Fox-1 if you know, who he was married to. > THIS David Fox-2 is the only one I have. I only had as children Hannah and > William so changing my database will be easy enough but I had Hannah as m. > to Spencer Mottrom s/o John.... with daughter Mary who m. Joseph Ball and > William Loury. > > With Mary Mottrom and Capt. Joseph Ball b. 15 Oct. 1680 d. 11 Sept. 1721. > I show 5 children one of which and probably 1st born is Col. Spencer Ball b. > 14 Mar 1707. and another son William Ball m. Hannah Kenner. > > SO if Hannah Fox didn't m. Spencer Mottrom I have a line of descent really > really wrong. > > Can I get clarification on this Spencer Mottrom gentleman and exactly who he > married if not Hannah Fox-2 and where this line truly belongs? Because once > I change what I have to what you have..... this line is out there dangling. > > > Janean > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:23 PM > To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List > Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] David-2 Fox & Hannah Ball > > Hello all, > > I spent the afternoon (Tuesday, Sept 13, 2011) with MBW volunteer Barbara > Whitbeck going through some inconsistencies in various sources, including > Peggy Hill's *Ball Outline* and need to share our conclusions with all of > you. > > I'll start with David-2 Fox and wife Hannah Ball, daughter of William-1 > Ball, emigrant. This will be a change to many of your data bases. This > couple had only four children, and only three who survived to adulthood. > Son David-3 (b. 10 Oct 1672, died in infancy in Jan 1780, n.s.). The other > three (and only other three) are: > > 1. Hannah Fox , b 25 JUL 1671 who married (1) Rodham Kenner and (2) > Clement Spellman. She is named in the 1718 will of her brother as "sister > Hannah Spellman." I don't when she died. > > 2. Capt. Samuel Fox, b. 28 Feb 1672/3. Married Ann Daingerfield. Died > 1712, Lancaster County, intestate. His two children are named in the will of > his brother William Fox as "niece Frances Fox" and "nephew David Fox." This > will also names his "sister" [i.e. "sister-in-law"" Ann Fox. Some have > confused the language of William's will go mean it was his blood sister and > thus a daughter of David-2 Fox and Hannah Ball. This is not the case. > > 3. William Fox, b. 20 Jan 1673/4. Married Ann Chinn, daughter of John-1 > and Alice (-----) Chinn. His 1718 will names wife Ann and only one child, a > daughter Mary, who apparently died young. She is not named in the will of > her mother, Ann (Chinn) Fox Chichester (widow of Richard Chichester, her 2nd > husband). We believe this is how a fictional daughter Mary got added to some > of the published genealogies as a child of David-2 Fox and Hannah Ball. His > will also names "Sister" Catherine Heale, wife of George Heale. Again, she > was a sister-in-law, and she was Catherine Chinn, another daughter of John-1 > and Alice (-----) Chinn. And again, some have turned her into a blood sister > of WIlliam Fox and such is not the case. > > There were two more to dispose of as children of David-1 Fox and Hannah > Ball: Mary (explained above) and a questionable son Henry Fox. The source > for Henry Fox being included as a child in this family SEEMS to go back to a > footnote in Hayden's *Virginia Genealogies* when he says there was a Henry > Fox in King William County who "MAY" be a son of David-1 Fox, father of > David-2. Regardless, he is NOT a son in this family. > > And...believe it or not. This was the "easy" part today. I have two more > corrections to send out in separate emails: the line of Ann Ball Conway and > James-4 Ball of Bewdley. Those were a bit more entangled. > > Craig > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >