Ok let me see if I can decipher this Edwin Conway III m. Ann Ball (Joseph, William).... 1704...... however Anne Ball b. 1686 d. 3 Oct. 1764 and this information was given to my by a Sydnor researcher of 30 years. However the notes I have on their daughter Ann Conway.. are as follows: Hayden shows parents of Ann Conway as Col.Edwin Conway b. Lancaster Co., VA, 1681; d. Oct 3, 1763; will dated July 27, 1762, pro. Lancaster Co. Jan 20, 1764; m. (1) 1704, Anne Ball, b. 1686, dau. of Col. Joseph and Elizabeth (Romney) Ball; m. (2) Ann Hack b. 1697, d. 28 Aug 1747. There were 7 children by the first marriage : Ann, Elizabeth, Agatha, Peter, George, Hannah b. 1724, Millicent b. 1727 So WHO was the widow at the time of Edwin's death..... certainly he couldn't have married Ann Hack 2nd if Ann Ball d. in 1764..... and Ann Hack dying in 1747. But any will is just going to say my wife ANN and that doesn't help unless he specifies people/grandchildren by my first wife etc. that would narrow it down. Does James Gordon's journals tell any tell? I have about 4 pages of them I can look at too if you don't have them. I don't have all the Edwin's or something is out of order. I have Ediwn Conway and Sarah Fleete with Col. Edwin Conway (Ann Ball) and Mary Conway (Col. James Ball)(John Daingerfield) You named Ann Balls husband as Edwin III but then said Edwin II had sister Mary Conway that m. James Ball....... I show her as the sister of Edwin III son of Edwin Conway and Sarah Fleete..... so is HIS father then Edwin I? Edwin I Edwin II (Sarah Fleete/Walker) Edwin III (Ann Ball) sister Mary Conway (James Ball) When you get to Mary and James I have 9 children for them. Lol Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:57 PM To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] CONWAY FAMILY Hello all, I knew this would come, and it has. I am tasked with working out kinks and discrepancies in a revised "Descendants of William ball" chart for the Mary Ball Washington. Based on previous research by many of us, but notably Margaret Lester Hill, our Executive Karen Hart, gave me a draft version yesterday with a list of 13 discrepancies. I am hoping my fellow list members can point to a definitive resource on the early Conway family in Virginia. Three of them involve Ann-3 Ball (Joseph-2, William-1) and her husband Edwin Conway III. The most definitive work I can find on early Conways has been by Nancy S. McBride in "Gordon Kinship (n.p.: McClure Printing Company, Inc., 1973) p. 233-243. Edwin Conway III married twice: (1) Ann Ball ca 1704 and who--according to McBride--died ca 1728 and (2) Ann Hack, daughter of Peter and Mary (----) Hack. Hill gives the wife of Peter Fox as wife as Elizabeth FOX. I don't know which one is correct. The only will for a Peter Fox in Virginia is in Accomack County in 1717. He names his wife as executrix but does not giver her a name. I suppose checking the Order Books would be a simple solution for the name of his wife at the time he died. For Edwin Conway II, his father, McBride says she is Sarah Walker. I am confused as to the name of his 2nd wife. His will in now-lost Richmond County Will Book 1 mentions a brother-in-law Henry Fleete but in what context this is meant is not at all clear. Others say his 2nd wife was an Elizabeth Thompson, though I doubt this. Edwin II had one sister, Mary Conway who married (2) James Ball. I have not begun to dig into this yet. Now, the really bugaboo is by which wife did Edwin Conway III have which children? According to McBride, "Genealogists now agree, partly because of names and dates, that all of his daughters were of the first marriage [to Ann Ball] and both sons of the second marriage [to Ann Hack.] I am inclined to agree with her. Certainly George Conway was the son of Ann Hack, as he named a son Peter Hack Conway. Now we get into a discrepancy on the daughters and their spouses. McBride lists five: 1. Elizabeth mar Christopher Garlington in 1724. This is not in doubt. 2. Ann married Robert Edmonds. This is not in doubt, though are no Edmonds grandchildren named in the will of Edwin Conway III. 3. Mary mar Thomas Gaskins. This IS in doubt. She is not included in Hill's list. The only thing I've found stating this is *Virginia Genealogies from William & Mary Quarterly* vol. II, p. 91. I don't know when it was originally written, or by whom. I need to look up the original. This is not in doubt, though are no Gaskins grandchildren named in the will of Edwin Conway III. 4. Agatha Conway married Cuthbert Spann. This is not in doubt. But, there are no Spann grandchildren named in the will of Edwin Conway III. 5. Millicent Conway, married Col. James Gordon. This is not in doubt for his own bible tells us so. Still, are no Gordon grandchildren named in the will of Edwin Conway III. Peggy Hill adds another daughter, who IS in doubt: 6. Hannah, who per Hill citing Tyler's Quarterly Vol. 7, p 253-262 (which I have not reviewed), married Tunstall Hack. This may or may not be true. The will of Tunstall Hack does name some of the heirs of Edwin Conway III (Ann, above, and grandson George, son of George). While Hill does not specifically state who is the mother of which child, McBride is of the opinion that the two sons (Peter and George) are by Ann Hack. Meanwhile, this is at most 8 children. In The McCarty's of the Northern Neck, William McCarty and our fellow list member Kathleen Much do not give much attention to this family but merely state that Ann Ball married Edwin Conway III and "had nine children." So without further belaboring the point, I'd be most interested in the most recent thinking on this family. Many thanks, Craig Kilby ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janean, I think your Sydnor researcher is confused. Ann Ball Conway ca 1728. It was Edwin Conway III who died 4 OCT 1764 (not 3 OCT 1764 as is often reported. I take the date of 4 OCT 1764 from Col. James Gordon's journal of that which says Col. Edwin Conway died early THAT morning. James Gordon was his son-in-law). The 2nd wife of Edwin Conway III was Ann Hack, daughter of Peter Hack. This much is not in dispute. Edwin Conway's will was dated 27 JUL 1763, recorded 21 JUN 1764 (Lee, pg 57 citing WB 17, p. 30). I am not sure about how many children were by the first marriage to Ann Ball. The GORDON book says they were all daughters, and the two sons (Peter and George) were by Ann Hack. I am inclined to agree with that, especially son George who named son Peter Hack Conway, and is named in Edwin's will as such. There is two daughters in question (by Ann Ball) are Mary and Hannah Conway. There was no widow when Edwin died. He was 81 years old and had outlived both wives. I am using very little from Hayden for this research. I am not sure on Edwin II. His wife was Sarah when he died, and it is fairly well accepted that his wife was Sarah WALKER. Hope this helps a little bit. Craig On Sep 12, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Janean Ray wrote: > Ok let me see if I can decipher this > > Edwin Conway III m. Ann Ball (Joseph, William).... 1704...... however Anne > Ball b. 1686 d. 3 Oct. 1764 and this information was given to my by a Sydnor > researcher of 30 years. However the notes I have on their daughter Ann > Conway.. are as follows: Hayden shows parents of Ann Conway as Col.Edwin > Conway b. Lancaster Co., VA, 1681; d. Oct 3, 1763; will dated July 27, 1762, > pro. Lancaster Co. Jan 20, 1764; m. (1) 1704, Anne Ball, b. 1686, dau. of > Col. Joseph and Elizabeth (Romney) Ball; m. (2) Ann Hack b. 1697, d. 28 Aug > 1747. > There were 7 children by the first marriage : Ann, Elizabeth, Agatha, Peter, > George, Hannah b. 1724, Millicent b. 1727 > > So WHO was the widow at the time of Edwin's death..... certainly he couldn't > have married Ann Hack 2nd if Ann Ball d. in 1764..... and Ann Hack dying in > 1747. But any will is just going to say my wife ANN and that doesn't help > unless he specifies people/grandchildren by my first wife etc. that would > narrow it down. Does James Gordon's journals tell any tell? I have about 4 > pages of them I can look at too if you don't have them. > > I don't have all the Edwin's or something is out of order. I have Ediwn > Conway and Sarah Fleete with Col. Edwin Conway (Ann Ball) and Mary Conway > (Col. James Ball)(John Daingerfield) > > You named Ann Balls husband as Edwin III but then said Edwin II had sister > Mary Conway that m. James Ball....... I show her as the sister of Edwin III > son of Edwin Conway and Sarah Fleete..... so is HIS father then Edwin I? > > Edwin I > Edwin II (Sarah Fleete/Walker) > Edwin III (Ann Ball) sister Mary Conway (James Ball) When you get to Mary > and James I have 9 children for them. Lol > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:57 PM > To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List > Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] CONWAY FAMILY > > Hello all, > > I knew this would come, and it has. I am tasked with working out kinks and > discrepancies in a revised "Descendants of William ball" chart for the Mary > Ball Washington. Based on previous research by many of us, but notably > Margaret Lester Hill, our Executive Karen Hart, gave me a draft version > yesterday with a list of 13 discrepancies. > > I am hoping my fellow list members can point to a definitive resource on the > early Conway family in Virginia. > > Three of them involve Ann-3 Ball (Joseph-2, William-1) and her husband Edwin > Conway III. > > The most definitive work I can find on early Conways has been by Nancy S. > McBride in "Gordon Kinship (n.p.: McClure Printing Company, Inc., 1973) p. > 233-243. Edwin Conway III married twice: (1) Ann Ball ca 1704 and > who--according to McBride--died ca 1728 and (2) Ann Hack, daughter of Peter > and Mary (----) Hack. Hill gives the wife of Peter Fox as wife as > Elizabeth FOX. I don't know which one is correct. The only will for a Peter > Fox in Virginia is in Accomack County in 1717. He names his wife as > executrix but does not giver her a name. I suppose checking the Order Books > would be a simple solution for the name of his wife at the time he died. > > For Edwin Conway II, his father, McBride says she is Sarah Walker. I am > confused as to the name of his 2nd wife. His will in now-lost Richmond > County Will Book 1 mentions a brother-in-law Henry Fleete but in what > context this is meant is not at all clear. Others say his 2nd wife was an > Elizabeth Thompson, though I doubt this. > > Edwin II had one sister, Mary Conway who married (2) James Ball. I have not > begun to dig into this yet. > > Now, the really bugaboo is by which wife did Edwin Conway III have which > children? According to McBride, "Genealogists now agree, partly because of > names and dates, that all of his daughters were of the first marriage [to > Ann Ball] and both sons of the second marriage [to Ann Hack.] I am inclined > to agree with her. Certainly George Conway was the son of Ann Hack, as he > named a son Peter Hack Conway. > > Now we get into a discrepancy on the daughters and their spouses. > > McBride lists five: > > 1. Elizabeth mar Christopher Garlington in 1724. This is not in doubt. > > 2. Ann married Robert Edmonds. This is not in doubt, though are no Edmonds > grandchildren named in the will of Edwin Conway III. > > 3. Mary mar Thomas Gaskins. This IS in doubt. She is not included in Hill's > list. The only thing I've found stating this is *Virginia Genealogies from > William & Mary Quarterly* vol. II, p. 91. I don't know when it was > originally written, or by whom. I need to look up the original. This is not > in doubt, though are no Gaskins grandchildren named in the will of Edwin > Conway III. > > 4. Agatha Conway married Cuthbert Spann. This is not in doubt. But, there > are no Spann grandchildren named in the will of Edwin Conway III. > > 5. Millicent Conway, married Col. James Gordon. This is not in doubt for > his own bible tells us so. Still, are no Gordon grandchildren named in the > will of Edwin Conway III. > > Peggy Hill adds another daughter, who IS in doubt: > > 6. Hannah, who per Hill citing Tyler's Quarterly Vol. 7, p 253-262 (which I > have not reviewed), married Tunstall Hack. This may or may not be true. The > will of Tunstall Hack does name some of the heirs of Edwin Conway III (Ann, > above, and grandson George, son of George). > > While Hill does not specifically state who is the mother of which child, > McBride is of the opinion that the two sons (Peter and George) are by Ann > Hack. > > Meanwhile, this is at most 8 children. In The McCarty's of the Northern > Neck, William McCarty and our fellow list member Kathleen Much do not give > much attention to this family but merely state that Ann Ball married Edwin > Conway III and "had nine children." > > So without further belaboring the point, I'd be most interested in the most > recent thinking on this family. > > Many thanks, > > Craig Kilby > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >