I would like to address two things Craig to this email (1) I have several JONES in connection with my lines. Sarah Ball & Mr. Jones, Ann Keen Jones and Rowland Lawson, Humphrey Jones & Elizabeth (father of Lodswick Jones h/o Lucy Tarpley) Dr. William M. Jones & Elizabeth Sophia Chinn and daug. Willimina Jones. So I'm curious about which Rawleigh Downman you're talking about. (2) As far as "placing people" I am trying to do this with all the BALL individuals we were talking about the other day...... I have them dangling right now..... I have connected and unconnected them to families but have not deleted them...... I'm trying to match them with the proper people and need someone to help me. Maybe you can answer me off line and help me fix what I have mixed up. Thanks, Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to buildalastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families Jim, Instead of multiple and different trees, I'd rather we have JUST ONE to build upon. As I go through this BALL stuff and start adding to it, I am amazed at how quickly it grows and overlaps and branches out. I was gobsmacked the other day when I actually connected Thomas Jefferson--yes, THE Thomas Jefferson--to the Ball tree. It came about due to some research I was doing on Dr Walter Jones of Northumberland County, a close friend of Jeffersons. They had gone to William & Mary College together. Jone's roommate was (can't think of first name) SKELTON, who was the first husband of Martha Jefferson. Skelton's sister married a brother of Dr. Jones. Jones had already been connected to the tree because his daughter Elizabeth married (2) Rawleigh Downman, etc..... (I intend to write more about this soon. It also carries into the origins of Kinsale, Westmoreland County. I did not know it was Dr. William Flood, whose daughter Alice was the wife of Dr. Walter Jones who gave the place! its name...Ed, any ideas on that?) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The name Kinsale: *LAWS OF VIRGINIA*, OCTOBER 1705.---4th ANNE. p. 415 Towns to be established Yohocomoco upon the land of Richard Tidwell in Westmoreland. p. 417 . . . That at Yohocomoco to be called Kingsale, and to have Tuesday and Satturday in each week for market days, and the nineteenth day of October and four following days, exclusive of Sundays, annually their fair. The town was not established, and the act was repealed, but the name stuck. Westmoreland WD 15-79, 4/14/1770 John and Elizabeth Graham to WILLIAM FLOOD. Deed recites that Major William TAITE who was married to Graham’s grandmother (Passed to Graham by will of Taite), agreed in his life to agreed to sell to Flood 200 acres”commonly known by the name of “KINSALE”. Name comes from Gaelic supposedly, leaning head of water. It is said that Samuel Bonum used it near his land on Rotank Creek. Also may have been used in Southern MD. I have a deed somewhere referring to Kingsale. The other day I ran across a slave by that name. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Janean Ray <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like to address two things Craig to this email > > (1) I have several JONES in connection with my lines. Sarah Ball & Mr. > Jones, Ann Keen Jones and Rowland Lawson, Humphrey Jones & Elizabeth > (father > of Lodswick Jones h/o Lucy Tarpley) Dr. William M. Jones & Elizabeth Sophia > Chinn and daug. Willimina Jones. So I'm curious about which Rawleigh > Downman you're talking about. > > (2) As far as "placing people" I am trying to do this with all the BALL > individuals we were talking about the other day...... I have them dangling > right now..... I have connected and unconnected them to families but have > not deleted them...... I'm trying to match them with the proper people and > need someone to help me. Maybe you can answer me off line and help me fix > what I have mixed up. > > Thanks, > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to > buildalastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families > > Jim, > > Instead of multiple and different trees, I'd rather we have JUST ONE to > build upon. As I go through this BALL stuff and start adding to it, I am > amazed at how quickly it grows and overlaps and branches out. I was > gobsmacked the other day when I actually connected Thomas Jefferson--yes, > THE Thomas Jefferson--to the Ball tree. It came about due to some research > I > was doing on Dr Walter Jones of Northumberland County, a close friend of > Jeffersons. They had gone to William & Mary College together. Jone's > roommate was (can't think of first name) SKELTON, who was the first husband > of Martha Jefferson. Skelton's sister married a brother of Dr. Jones. > Jones > had already been connected to the tree because his daughter Elizabeth > married (2) Rawleigh Downman, etc..... (I intend to write more about this > soon. It also carries into the origins of Kinsale, Westmoreland County. I > did not know it was Dr. William Flood, whose daughter Alice was the wife of > Dr. Walter Jones who gave the place! > its name...Ed, any ideas on that?) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ed, Most excellent! I'm resending it back to the list for the simple reason it should be archived on the subject line of Kinsale, and not "Jones" for future reference. I have made a gross error in two articles I have written and published about the Journal of John Fontaine, who arrived at Kinsale in 1714. I said in both that while the port was not named Kinsale at the time he arrived, and that the enabling legislation creating it.....I now see the error of my ways. I did not find it in Hening's Statutes. But failed to look at the supplements to it. Which reminds, another very useful link to save to favorite places is the on-line and searchable Hening's Statutes At Large. Keep in mind this does not include Shepherd's Supplement which of laws found later in London that fill in a lot of blanks. I don't know if those are on-line or not. Here is the link to Hening's Statutes At Large (MOST USEFUL!) http://vagenweb.org/hening/ Many thanks, and especially for clarifying the role of Dr. William Flood in this affair. Craig Begin forwarded message: > From: Edward White <[email protected]> > Date: September 26, 2011 5:01:10 PM EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Jones > Reply-To: [email protected] > > The name Kinsale: > > *LAWS OF VIRGINIA*, OCTOBER 1705.---4th ANNE. > p. 415 Towns to be established > Yohocomoco upon the land of Richard Tidwell in Westmoreland. > > p. 417 . . . > That at Yohocomoco to be called Kingsale, and to have Tuesday and > Satturday in each week for market days, and the nineteenth day of October > and four following days, exclusive of Sundays, annually their fair. > > The town was not established, and the act was repealed, but the name stuck. > > Westmoreland WD 15-79, 4/14/1770 John and Elizabeth Graham to WILLIAM > FLOOD. Deed recites that Major William TAITE who was married to Graham’s > grandmother (Passed to Graham by will of Taite), agreed in his life to > agreed to sell to Flood 200 acres”commonly known by the name of “KINSALE”. > > Name comes from Gaelic supposedly, leaning head of water. It is said that > Samuel Bonum used it near his land on Rotank Creek. Also may have been used > in Southern MD. > > I have a deed somewhere referring to Kingsale. The other day I ran across a > slave by that name.

Janean, What you describe below is EXACTLY why a group effort will be immensely helpful. Jones? Are you kidding? Yes, they can be sorted out. But this way, we only have to go through this discussion ONCE, and cure your "dangling Balls" problem. Jim Bartlett and I are working on it as we speak. Craig On Sep 26, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > I would like to address two things Craig to this email > > (1) I have several JONES in connection with my lines. Sarah Ball & Mr. > Jones, Ann Keen Jones and Rowland Lawson, Humphrey Jones & Elizabeth (father > of Lodswick Jones h/o Lucy Tarpley) Dr. William M. Jones & Elizabeth Sophia > Chinn and daug. Willimina Jones. So I'm curious about which Rawleigh > Downman you're talking about. > > (2) As far as "placing people" I am trying to do this with all the BALL > individuals we were talking about the other day...... I have them dangling > right now..... I have connected and unconnected them to families but have > not deleted them...... I'm trying to match them with the proper people and > need someone to help me. Maybe you can answer me off line and help me fix > what I have mixed up. > > Thanks, > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to > buildalastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families > > Jim, > > Instead of multiple and different trees, I'd rather we have JUST ONE to > build upon. As I go through this BALL stuff and start adding to it, I am > amazed at how quickly it grows and overlaps and branches out. I was > gobsmacked the other day when I actually connected Thomas Jefferson--yes, > THE Thomas Jefferson--to the Ball tree. It came about due to some research I > was doing on Dr Walter Jones of Northumberland County, a close friend of > Jeffersons. They had gone to William & Mary College together. Jone's > roommate was (can't think of first name) SKELTON, who was the first husband > of Martha Jefferson. Skelton's sister married a brother of Dr. Jones. Jones > had already been connected to the tree because his daughter Elizabeth > married (2) Rawleigh Downman, etc..... (I intend to write more about this > soon. It also carries into the origins of Kinsale, Westmoreland County. I > did not know it was Dr. William Flood, whose daughter Alice was the wife of > Dr. Walter Jones who gave the place! > its name...Ed, any ideas on that?) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

LOL ok Craig...... I will "hold on the 'em" till I find a proper place for them to reside. I will never think of my family the same again. I didn't even realize I wrote that. LOL Thanks for that laugh today, I really needed it! Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Jones Janean, What you describe below is EXACTLY why a group effort will be immensely helpful. Jones? Are you kidding? Yes, they can be sorted out. But this way, we only have to go through this discussion ONCE, and cure your "dangling Balls" problem. Jim Bartlett and I are working on it as we speak. Craig On Sep 26, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > I would like to address two things Craig to this email > > (1) I have several JONES in connection with my lines. Sarah Ball & Mr. > Jones, Ann Keen Jones and Rowland Lawson, Humphrey Jones & Elizabeth > (father of Lodswick Jones h/o Lucy Tarpley) Dr. William M. Jones & > Elizabeth Sophia Chinn and daug. Willimina Jones. So I'm curious > about which Rawleigh Downman you're talking about. > > (2) As far as "placing people" I am trying to do this with all the > BALL individuals we were talking about the other day...... I have them > dangling right now..... I have connected and unconnected them to > families but have not deleted them...... I'm trying to match them with > the proper people and need someone to help me. Maybe you can answer > me off line and help me fix what I have mixed up. > > Thanks, > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig > Kilby > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to > buildalastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families > > Jim, > > Instead of multiple and different trees, I'd rather we have JUST ONE > to build upon. As I go through this BALL stuff and start adding to it, > I am amazed at how quickly it grows and overlaps and branches out. I > was gobsmacked the other day when I actually connected Thomas > Jefferson--yes, THE Thomas Jefferson--to the Ball tree. It came about > due to some research I was doing on Dr Walter Jones of Northumberland > County, a close friend of Jeffersons. They had gone to William & Mary > College together. Jone's roommate was (can't think of first name) > SKELTON, who was the first husband of Martha Jefferson. Skelton's > sister married a brother of Dr. Jones. Jones had already been > connected to the tree because his daughter Elizabeth married (2) > Rawleigh Downman, etc..... (I intend to write more about this soon. It > also carries into the origins of Kinsale, Westmoreland County. I did > not know it was Dr. William Flood, whose daughter Alice was the wife of Dr. Walter Jones who gave the place! > its name...Ed, any ideas on that?) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janean, et al I have a Charles JONES who married into my BARTLETT line in Richmond Co VA - he was probably b c1727, d 1790s. He is now in our NN Tree, which is public and anyone can look at it (I think) without being an editor. I'd very much like to learn how this Charles ties to others, and what happened to his children... Tnx for any clues. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Sep 26, 2011, at 2:28 PM, "Janean Ray" <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like to address two things Craig to this email > > (1) I have several JONES in connection with my lines. Sarah Ball & Mr. > Jones, Ann Keen Jones and Rowland Lawson, Humphrey Jones & Elizabeth (father > of Lodswick Jones h/o Lucy Tarpley) Dr. William M. Jones & Elizabeth Sophia > Chinn and daug. Willimina Jones. So I'm curious about which Rawleigh > Downman you're talking about. > > (2) As far as "placing people" I am trying to do this with all the BALL > individuals we were talking about the other day...... I have them dangling > right now..... I have connected and unconnected them to families but have > not deleted them...... I'm trying to match them with the proper people and > need someone to help me. Maybe you can answer me off line and help me fix > what I have mixed up. > > Thanks, > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to > buildalastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families > > Jim, > > Instead of multiple and different trees, I'd rather we have JUST ONE to > build upon. As I go through this BALL stuff and start adding to it, I am > amazed at how quickly it grows and overlaps and branches out. I was > gobsmacked the other day when I actually connected Thomas Jefferson--yes, > THE Thomas Jefferson--to the Ball tree. It came about due to some research I > was doing on Dr Walter Jones of Northumberland County, a close friend of > Jeffersons. They had gone to William & Mary College together. Jone's > roommate was (can't think of first name) SKELTON, who was the first husband > of Martha Jefferson. Skelton's sister married a brother of Dr. Jones. Jones > had already been connected to the tree because his daughter Elizabeth > married (2) Rawleigh Downman, etc..... (I intend to write more about this > soon. It also carries into the origins of Kinsale, Westmoreland County. I > did not know it was Dr. William Flood, whose daughter Alice was the wife of > Dr. Walter Jones who gave the place! > its name...Ed, any ideas on that?) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, Now I'm confused. Is the tree you put up based on my database now "public'? I thought it was a closed tree for those who chose to participate. Can you explain? Please tell me I did not just get snookered. Craig On Sep 27, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Janean, et al > > I have a Charles JONES who married into my BARTLETT line in Richmond Co VA - he was probably b c1727, d 1790s. He is now in our NN Tree, which is public and anyone can look at it (I think) without being an editor. I'd very much like to learn how this Charles ties to others, and what happened to his children... > > Tnx for any clues. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Sep 26, 2011, at 2:28 PM, "Janean Ray" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I would like to address two things Craig to this email >> >> (1) I have several JONES in connection with my lines. Sarah Ball & Mr. >> Jones, Ann Keen Jones and Rowland Lawson, Humphrey Jones & Elizabeth (father >> of Lodswick Jones h/o Lucy Tarpley) Dr. William M. Jones & Elizabeth Sophia >> Chinn and daug. Willimina Jones. So I'm curious about which Rawleigh >> Downman you're talking about. >> >> (2) As far as "placing people" I am trying to do this with all the BALL >> individuals we were talking about the other day...... I have them dangling >> right now..... I have connected and unconnected them to families but have >> not deleted them...... I'm trying to match them with the proper people and >> need someone to help me. Maybe you can answer me off line and help me fix >> what I have mixed up. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Janean >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby >> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:17 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to >> buildalastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families >> >> Jim, >> >> Instead of multiple and different trees, I'd rather we have JUST ONE to >> build upon. As I go through this BALL stuff and start adding to it, I am >> amazed at how quickly it grows and overlaps and branches out. I was >> gobsmacked the other day when I actually connected Thomas Jefferson--yes, >> THE Thomas Jefferson--to the Ball tree. It came about due to some research I >> was doing on Dr Walter Jones of Northumberland County, a close friend of >> Jeffersons. They had gone to William & Mary College together. Jone's >> roommate was (can't think of first name) SKELTON, who was the first husband >> of Martha Jefferson. Skelton's sister married a brother of Dr. Jones. Jones >> had already been connected to the tree because his daughter Elizabeth >> married (2) Rawleigh Downman, etc..... (I intend to write more about this >> soon. It also carries into the origins of Kinsale, Westmoreland County. I >> did not know it was Dr. William Flood, whose daughter Alice was the wife of >> Dr. Walter Jones who gave the place! >> its name...Ed, any ideas on that?) >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig The default is Public, others can see/copy (I think), but not change. I'm sure if they have an Ancestry sub, they can. It's hard for me to know what others can see in Ancestry. Maybe you can log off of your editor status and see if you can find the Tree, or someone in it. It's a toggle - I can easily change it to Private if you would prefer. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Sep 28, 2011, at 2:18 AM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: > Jim, > > Now I'm confused. Is the tree you put up based on my database now "public'? I thought it was a closed tree for those who chose to participate. Can you explain? Please tell me I did not just get snookered. > > Craig > > On Sep 27, 2011, at 11:32 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > >> Janean, et al >> >> I have a Charles JONES who married into my BARTLETT line in Richmond Co VA - he was probably b c1727, d 1790s. He is now in our NN Tree, which is public and anyone can look at it (I think) without being an editor. I'd very much like to learn how this Charles ties to others, and what happened to his children... >> >> Tnx for any clues. >> >> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! >> >> On Sep 26, 2011, at 2:28 PM, "Janean Ray" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I would like to address two things Craig to this email >>> >>> (1) I have several JONES in connection with my lines. Sarah Ball & Mr. >>> Jones, Ann Keen Jones and Rowland Lawson, Humphrey Jones & Elizabeth (father >>> of Lodswick Jones h/o Lucy Tarpley) Dr. William M. Jones & Elizabeth Sophia >>> Chinn and daug. Willimina Jones. So I'm curious about which Rawleigh >>> Downman you're talking about. >>> >>> (2) As far as "placing people" I am trying to do this with all the BALL >>> individuals we were talking about the other day...... I have them dangling >>> right now..... I have connected and unconnected them to families but have >>> not deleted them...... I'm trying to match them with the proper people and >>> need someone to help me. Maybe you can answer me off line and help me fix >>> what I have mixed up. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Janean >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby >>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:17 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to >>> buildalastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families >>> >>> Jim, >>> >>> Instead of multiple and different trees, I'd rather we have JUST ONE to >>> build upon. As I go through this BALL stuff and start adding to it, I am >>> amazed at how quickly it grows and overlaps and branches out. I was >>> gobsmacked the other day when I actually connected Thomas Jefferson--yes, >>> THE Thomas Jefferson--to the Ball tree. It came about due to some research I >>> was doing on Dr Walter Jones of Northumberland County, a close friend of >>> Jeffersons. They had gone to William & Mary College together. Jone's >>> roommate was (can't think of first name) SKELTON, who was the first husband >>> of Martha Jefferson. Skelton's sister married a brother of Dr. Jones. Jones >>> had already been connected to the tree because his daughter Elizabeth >>> married (2) Rawleigh Downman, etc..... (I intend to write more about this >>> soon. It also carries into the origins of Kinsale, Westmoreland County. I >>> did not know it was Dr. William Flood, whose daughter Alice was the wife of >>> Dr. Walter Jones who gave the place! >>> its name...Ed, any ideas on that?) >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message