Craig,   You’re right in that I should have listed William Ball, I & Hannah Atherold.    However, I wasn’t sure how conclusive the evidence is for this marriage to Hannah Atherold, and I also wasn’t entirely confident of my own data on William Ball, I as far as dates were concerned (I had more concrete data on William Ball, II who married Margaret Williamson).   I don’t know if there is documentation to support it, but I have seen Hannah Atherold listed as the daughter of Thomas Atherold and Mary Vesey (Atherold was a Suffolk, England family).    I have always found this supposed Vesey connection intriguing as I see this surname elsewhere.   For instance, the Dameron Family Association has conducted research (led by John Dameron whose sister Syl Vaden is a member of this List) of the Damerons in Suffolk, England and found a marriage record for George Dameron to Elizabeth Gosnold in 1555 in Suffolk, England.   George Dameron & Elizabeth Gosnold (married 1555) may possibly be the great-grandparents of emigrant ancestor Lawrence Dameron who was married to Dorothy MNU.   It appears this Elizabeth Gosnold who married George Dameron in 1555 was the daughter of Edmund Gosnold and Grace MNU.   Edmund Gosnold had nephew Robert Gosnold who married Mary Vesey.    This Robert Gosnold and Mary Vesey are ancestors of Bartholomew Gosnold, the Jamestowne founder.   Lazarus Taylor of Northumberland Co., VA supposedly married Mary Vesey.   I don’t have proof, but suspect that this Lazarus Taylor is a brother (or related somehow)  of the widow Elizabeth Dennis who married George Dameron, son of emigrant ancestor Lawrence Dameron (I descend from two of the sons of emigrant Lawrence Dameron & Dorothy MNU – Bartholomew who married Elizabeth Garlington and George who married widow Elizabeth Dennis).   Anyway, this brings us back to a question previously discussed on this List.   Where is the English home of the William Ball, I family?   Suffolk or perhaps even Norfolk seem to me to be likely locations.   Here is an excerpt from the William & Mary Quarterly on this subject:   http://www.jstor.org/stable/1915162   Thanks. David   P.S. The following is of interest as well as it actually connects Vesey to Gosnold & Ball (specifically Roger Ball of Hadleigh).   1559 Will of Robert Vesey (Source:  Suffolk Manorial Families, Being the County Visitations and Other ..., Volume 1 edited by Joseph James Muskett): Robert Vesey of Hadley in the countye of Suffolk, clothier, 11 Octr 1559. To the children of William Vesey by his first and second wives, when of age. To the children of Lawrence Vezey, viz, :—Abram, Isaacke, and Laurance when twenty four, and to Rose, Dorathe, Margaret, Anne, Alice and Marye Vesey, when twenty years of age. To John Smith, sonne of William Smith of Hadley: Anthony Gosnold, sonne of Robert Gosnold, late of Ottley: Alice Gosnold my maide: Judith Gosnold daughter of said Robert: Elizabeth Smith, dwelling with me, daughter of John Smith of Elmsett: Roger Ball of Hadleigh my kinsman: Katherine Cole, daughter of Rose Cole. To William Vesey my sonne my lands in Leigham. To Arture Vesey my sonne the howso I dwell in for life; then to Robert Vesey his sonne , then, for lack of sonnes to said Arthur and Robert, to Laurence Vesey* sonne late of Laurence Vesey sonne of me ) and then, failing issue males, to Isaacke Vesey. Lands to Arthur Vesey for life, then to Robert Vesey his eldest sonne. To the said Arthur Vesey lands in Roydon. To Dorathe Vesey daughter of William Vesey. To Laurence Smith, sonne of John Smith, lands in Roydon. To William Vesey sonne of William Vesey; Ingelbrighte Smithe, sonne of John Smith of Elmsett: Henry Vesey sonne of William Vesey: Robert Smith sonne of John Smith of Elmsett: Edward Smith sonne of John Smith of Elmsett; John Gosnold sonne of Robert Gosnold late of Ottley: William and John Gosnold, also sonnes of the said Robert: John Smith sonne of John Smith of Hadley; and Robert Smith th'elder. sonne of John Smith of Elmsett. Probate 7 May 1561 Juramento Willmi Vesey executoris. Cur. Pncrog. Cant. 16 Loftus.   From: Craig Kilby persisto1@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Revised Patriarch List Just wondering here why David isn't using the emigrant, William-1 Ball instead of his son William-2. Might make more sense if he did this: BALL, William 1650-1680 Lancaster: David Brown WILLIAMSON, James 1600s Essex: David Brown I'd be tempted to add: ATHEROLD, Hannah d 1695 Lancaster (widow of William-1 Ball): David Brown

The following is of interest as well as it actually connects Vesey to Gosnold & Ball (specifically Roger Ball of Hadleigh).   1559 Will of Robert Vesey (Source:  Suffolk Manorial Families, Being the County Visitations and Other ..., Volume 1 edited by Joseph James Muskett): Robert Vesey of Hadley in the countye of Suffolk, clothier, 11 Octr 1559. To the children of William Vesey by his first and second wives, when of age. To the children of Lawrence Vezey, viz, :—Abram, Isaacke, and Laurance when twenty four, and to Rose, Dorathe, Margaret, Anne, Alice and Marye Vesey, when twenty years of age. To John Smith, sonne of William Smith of Hadley: Anthony Gosnold, sonne of Robert Gosnold, late of Ottley: Alice Gosnold my maide: Judith Gosnold daughter of said Robert: Elizabeth Smith, dwelling with me, daughter of John Smith of Elmsett: Roger Ball of Hadleigh my kinsman: Katherine Cole, daughter of Rose Cole. To William Vesey my sonne my lands in Leigham. To Arture Vesey my sonne the howso I dwell in for life; then to Robert Vesey his sonne , then, for lack of sonnes to said Arthur and Robert, to Laurence Vesey* sonne late of Laurence Vesey sonne of me ) and then, failing issue males, to Isaacke Vesey. Lands to Arthur Vesey for life, then to Robert Vesey his eldest sonne. To the said Arthur Vesey lands in Roydon. To Dorathe Vesey daughter of William Vesey. To Laurence Smith, sonne of John Smith, lands in Roydon. To William Vesey sonne of William Vesey; Ingelbrighte Smithe, sonne of John Smith of Elmsett: Henry Vesey sonne of William Vesey: Robert Smith sonne of John Smith of Elmsett: Edward Smith sonne of John Smith of Elmsett; John Gosnold sonne of Robert Gosnold late of Ottley: William and John Gosnold, also sonnes of the said Robert: John Smith sonne of John Smith of Hadley; and Robert Smith th'elder. sonne of John Smith of Elmsett. Probate 7 May 1561 Juramento Willmi Vesey executoris. Cur. Pncrog. Cant. 16 Loftus.

Hi David, What dates are you giving to William Ball and what place do you have listed for him living ? I am retired with time on my hands and want to take a look too. Thanx. Ginny Keefer ************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BROWN Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:35 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Revised Patriarch List: William Ball,I & Hannah Atherold Craig, You’re right in that I should have listed William Ball, I & Hannah Atherold. However, I wasn’t sure how conclusive the evidence is for this marriage to Hannah Atherold, and I also wasn’t entirely confident of my own data on William Ball, I as far as dates were concerned (I had more concrete data on William Ball, II who married Margaret Williamson). I don’t know if there is documentation to support it, but I have seen Hannah Atherold listed as the daughter of Thomas Atherold and Mary Vesey (Atherold was a Suffolk, England family). I have always found this supposed Vesey connection intriguing as I see this surname elsewhere. For instance, the Dameron Family Association has conducted research (led by John Dameron whose sister Syl Vaden is a member of this List) of the Damerons in Suffolk, England and found a marriage record for George Dameron to Elizabeth Gosnold in 1555 in Suffolk, England. George Dameron & Elizabeth Gosnold (married 1555) may possibly be the great-grandparents of emigrant ancestor Lawrence Dameron who was married to Dorothy MNU. It appears this Elizabeth Gosnold who married George Dameron in 1555 was the daughter of Edmund Gosnold and Grace MNU. Edmund Gosnold had nephew Robert Gosnold who married Mary Vesey. This Robert Gosnold and Mary Vesey are ancestors of Bartholomew Gosnold, the Jamestowne founder. Lazarus Taylor of Northumberland Co., VA supposedly married Mary Vesey. I don’t have proof, but suspect that this Lazarus Taylor is a brother (or related somehow) of the widow Elizabeth Dennis who married George Dameron, son of emigrant ancestor Lawrence Dameron (I descend from two of the sons of emigrant Lawrence Dameron & Dorothy MNU – Bartholomew who married Elizabeth Garlington and George who married widow Elizabeth Dennis). Anyway, this brings us back to a question previously discussed on this List. Where is the English home of the William Ball, I family? Suffolk or perhaps even Norfolk seem to me to be likely locations. Here is an excerpt from the William & Mary Quarterly on this subject: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1915162 Thanks. David P.S. The following is of interest as well as it actually connects Vesey to Gosnold & Ball (specifically Roger Ball of Hadleigh). 1559 Will of Robert Vesey (Source: Suffolk Manorial Families, Being the County Visitations and Other ..., Volume 1 edited by Joseph James Muskett): Robert Vesey of Hadley in the countye of Suffolk, clothier, 11 Octr 1559. To the children of William Vesey by his first and second wives, when of age. To the children of Lawrence Vezey, viz, :—Abram, Isaacke, and Laurance when twenty four, and to Rose, Dorathe, Margaret, Anne, Alice and Marye Vesey, when twenty years of age. To John Smith, sonne of William Smith of Hadley: Anthony Gosnold, sonne of Robert Gosnold, late of Ottley: Alice Gosnold my maide: Judith Gosnold daughter of said Robert: Elizabeth Smith, dwelling with me, daughter of John Smith of Elmsett: Roger Ball of Hadleigh my kinsman: Katherine Cole, daughter of Rose Cole. To William Vesey my sonne my lands in Leigham. To Arture Vesey my sonne the howso I dwell in for life; then to Robert Vesey his sonne , then, for lack of sonnes to said Arthur and Robert, to Laurence Vesey* sonne late of Laurence Vesey sonne of me ) and then, failing issue males, to Isaacke Vesey. Lands to Arthur Vesey for life, then to Robert Vesey his eldest sonne. To the said Arthur Vesey lands in Roydon. To Dorathe Vesey daughter of William Vesey. To Laurence Smith, sonne of John Smith, lands in Roydon. To William Vesey sonne of William Vesey; Ingelbrighte Smithe, sonne of John Smith of Elmsett: Henry Vesey sonne of William Vesey: Robert Smith sonne of John Smith of Elmsett: Edward Smith sonne of John Smith of Elmsett; John Gosnold sonne of Robert Gosnold late of Ottley: William and John Gosnold, also sonnes of the said Robert: John Smith sonne of John Smith of Hadley; and Robert Smith th'elder. sonne of John Smith of Elmsett. Probate 7 May 1561 Juramento Willmi Vesey executoris. Cur. Pncrog. Cant. 16 Loftus. From: Craig Kilby persisto1@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Revised Patriarch List Just wondering here why David isn't using the emigrant, William-1 Ball instead of his son William-2. Might make more sense if he did this: BALL, William 1650-1680 Lancaster: David Brown WILLIAMSON, James 1600s Essex: David Brown I'd be tempted to add: ATHEROLD, Hannah d 1695 Lancaster (widow of William-1 Ball): David Brown ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Comments, as are on the NN tree and my own knowledge: On Oct 29, 2012, at 6:35 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > Craig, > > You’re right in that I should have listed William Ball, I & Hannah Atherold. However, I wasn’t sure how conclusive the evidence is for this marriage to Hannah Atherold, The Atherold part is not conclusive, and despite all the stuff recently posted here, it does not seem likely. I am tiring of having to repeat this, but the Robert Walne article on this topic (1959) is as far as I know the last word on this until someone proves otherwise. > and I also wasn’t entirely confident of my own data on William Ball, I as far as dates were concerned (I had more concrete data on William Ball, II who married Margaret Williamson). William-2 Ball who m. Margaret Williamson (his ONLY wife and her ONLY husband) is not in dispute. Bank on it. > > I don’t know if there is documentation to support it, but I have seen Hannah Atherold listed as the daughter of Thomas Atherold and Mary Vesey (Atherold was a Suffolk, England family). The rest here is just so much fantasy, until somebody proves it. Please don't put in on the tree. > I have always found this supposed Vesey connection intriguing as I see this surname elsewhere. For instance, the Dameron Family Association has conducted research (led by John Dameron whose sister Syl Vaden is a member of this List) of the Damerons in Suffolk, England and found a marriage record for George Dameron to Elizabeth Gosnold in 1555 in Suffolk, England. <snip>

Once again, an attempt at civil discourse is met with condescension and outright rudeness from our List Administrator.  I sufficiently qualified my statements in such a way that any reasonable reader would realize that I did not at all conclude any relationship whatsoever.   As for Walne, the article seems to prove the Ball family was not of Berkshire.  The author reviewed the children of Thomas Atherold and Mary Harvey, but doesn't sufficiently explore the children of Thomas Atherold, Sr. & Mary Vesey.  No conclusion can be made as to the supposed Atherold connection one way or another!!!!!!! I'm sure the List Administrator will misinterpret one of my latest statements and follow up with another rude comment.  However,this is my last word on this subject. David ________________________________ From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net>; va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Revised Patriarch List: William Ball, I & Hannah Atherold The rest here is just so much fantasy, until somebody proves it. Please don't put in on the tree. >  I have always found this supposed Vesey connection intriguing as I see this surname elsewhere.  For instance, the Dameron Family Association has conducted research (led by John Dameron whose sister SylVaden is a member of this List) of the Damerons in Suffolk, England and found a marriage record for George Dameron to Elizabeth Gosnold in 1555 in Suffolk, England.  <snip>