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Virginia Genealogies, including William Ball 1615-1680. - Virginia L.Virginia L. is sharing this photo from Ancestry with you.View the photo: http://trees.ancestry.com/ShareHandler.ashx?retUrl=%2Ftree%2F47346148%2Fperson%2F6750484255%2Fphoto%2F89a96916-a0bd-4d1f-b0fb-679baee3aa26%3Fsph%3D4963d61bfcf618f13035239adbb05fbf000039bdc161f131%26spn%3DVirginia%252bL.%252bKeefer&token=16a630eb-7e8a-4ec4-bc0a-9fa3230cb01a Ancestry is the world's largest online resource for family history. With billions of historical records, powerful search tools, family trees and an active community, Ancestry helps everyone discover, preserve and share their family history. We've sent you this message on behalf of ginnykeefer@cox.net. We respect your privacy and won't be sending you any Ancestry.com communications as a result of this email. Questions? Find answers in our online help center (http://ancestry.custhelp.com) or simply send us a message (http://ancestry.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ancestry.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php). You can also contact us at Ancestry Operations Inc., 360 West 4800 North, Provo, UT 84604, Attn: Customer Service. Copyright 2012 Ancestry

Ball Marriages of Married Will and Often of Northern Neck of VA, 1649-1800. - Virginia L.Virginia L. is sharing this photo from Ancestry with you.View the photo: http://trees.ancestry.com/ShareHandler.ashx?retUrl=%2Ftree%2F47346148%2Fperson%2F6750484255%2Fphoto%2Fa50f7260-75db-4dd2-9bdd-dd05d2c23118%3Fsph%3Dfadb8be0746b91eb91d62db05ba07ff0000039bdc15fb85a%26spn%3DVirginia%252bL.%252bKeefer&token=df7f9709-f5d1-489e-b00c-3a040e0aa245 Ancestry is the world's largest online resource for family history. With billions of historical records, powerful search tools, family trees and an active community, Ancestry helps everyone discover, preserve and share their family history. We've sent you this message on behalf of ginnykeefer@cox.net. We respect your privacy and won't be sending you any Ancestry.com communications as a result of this email. Questions? Find answers in our online help center (http://ancestry.custhelp.com) or simply send us a message (http://ancestry.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ancestry.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php). You can also contact us at Ancestry Operations Inc., 360 West 4800 North, Provo, UT 84604, Attn: Customer Service. Copyright 2012 Ancestry

Colonel Wm Ball ca 161-1680 genealogy. - Virginia L.Virginia L. is sharing this photo from Ancestry with you.View the photo: http://trees.ancestry.com/ShareHandler.ashx?retUrl=%2Ftree%2F48083354%2Fperson%2F12849146808%2Fmedia%2F1af3569c-2aae-4f62-9ae8-f85432b9e3f9%3Fsph%3D3e73ab7364125de391f02124a592592e000039bdc15d7ab1%26spn%3DVirginia%252bL.%252bKeefer&token=1d3029d3-f2da-4ecb-955c-0586da297451 Ancestry is the world's largest online resource for family history. With billions of historical records, powerful search tools, family trees and an active community, Ancestry helps everyone discover, preserve and share their family history. We've sent you this message on behalf of ginnykeefer@cox.net. We respect your privacy and won't be sending you any Ancestry.com communications as a result of this email. Questions? Find answers in our online help center (http://ancestry.custhelp.com) or simply send us a message (http://ancestry.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ancestry.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php). You can also contact us at Ancestry Operations Inc., 360 West 4800 North, Provo, UT 84604, Attn: Customer Service. Copyright 2012 Ancestry

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White Chapel Church Cemetery where William Ball was buried in Nov, 1860, Lancaster Co VA. - Virginia L.Virginia L. is sharing this photo from Ancestry with you.View the photo: http://trees.ancestry.com/ShareHandler.ashx?retUrl=%2Ftree%2F48083354%2Fperson%2F12849146808%2Fmedia%2Fe7f4d55e-f86d-453d-95c7-9e53f8b8e5ff%3Fsph%3D39bad22a2da109aa3aaf0de569f12f66000039bdc159f97b%26spn%3DVirginia%252bL.%252bKeefer&token=a638ce8d-7751-473a-86e6-6da5b3e08e29 Ancestry is the world's largest online resource for family history. With billions of historical records, powerful search tools, family trees and an active community, Ancestry helps everyone discover, preserve and share their family history. We've sent you this message on behalf of ginnykeefer@cox.net. We respect your privacy and won't be sending you any Ancestry.com communications as a result of this email. Questions? Find answers in our online help center (http://ancestry.custhelp.com) or simply send us a message (http://ancestry.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ancestry.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php). You can also contact us at Ancestry Operations Inc., 360 West 4800 North, Provo, UT 84604, Attn: Customer Service. Copyright 2012 Ancestry

Cavaliers and Pioneers . Vol. 2, 1666-1695, page 20 Patent Book 6, Major William Ball, 240 acres, on N Side of Rappa Riv. upon David Fox, land of Grimes, a crk dividing this & land of Tho. Harwood. Granted unto Edward Grmes, 21 May, 1651, deserted, & now granted &c 30 Sept 1667. Trans. of 5 persons; Wm Jeffres, Abram Jackson, Tim White, Bernard Moore, Mary Field/Field?. *******************

I will count this as a vote for "over reaching." I have been torn on this from the beginning (Sept 2009). However we must keep in mind: 1. Expanding the rootsweb list is probably not necessary, though I could do some out-reach to those lists on the Maryland side 2. The NN tree is not limited should editors so wish and 3. The NN tree DOES need to keep a more strict focus No rush on anything. I'm interested in what the rest of our group has to say about it. Craig On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:59 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Craig > > Let's be sure we can handle what's on our plate now. If it works, then we can think about expanding. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:18 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Barbara, >> >> This is my understanding of it too. While the tree is a working document, it should not be used to repeat the same old, same old. The NN dna project, as I understand it, it too test those theories, and maybe (hopefully) come with a lot more. >> >> I am very proud of this group and our various projects. We are definitely "cutting edge" on many fronts in genealogy. In fact, I'm tempted to include the Eastern Shore and Delmarva peninsula into this group. My fear is that that we be over-reaching. My other fear is that we may be under-reaching. I'd love to hear feedback on this idea. >> >> Craig

Barbara That's exactly correct. For atDNA matching purposes we need to use the most robust Trees we can. When/if a match is made on a Common Ancestor which is iffy, then the two parties should share reasoning and make a reasonable call. We'll all learn using this process. Craig, we'll need to go easy as we feel our way through this new frontier. We need some slack to experiment a little, and learn from our experience. We don't have a single atDNA Common Ancestor to report yet. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:56 PM, "karenhappuch" <karenhappuch@cox.net> wrote: > I understood the criteria for the NN dna project's patriarch list as > differing from criteria for NN tree inclusion. The patriarchs as well as > gedcoms uploaded to Family Tree DNA are intended to assist dna matches in > locating the common ancestor. The patriarchs are not necessarily well > documented or proven ancestors. (Those who aren't should not be on the NN > tree.) > > About half of my NN patriarchs are flagged in my genealogy software as > "hold" and as "candidates" and NEVER make it into my reports or trees. I > included them, for reasons just stated, in the project's patriarch list and > in the gedcom I uploaded to Family Tree DNA. > > > > Barbara > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig Let's be sure we can handle what's on our plate now. If it works, then we can think about expanding. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:18 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > Barbara, > > This is my understanding of it too. While the tree is a working document, it should not be used to repeat the same old, same old. The NN dna project, as I understand it, it too test those theories, and maybe (hopefully) come with a lot more. > > I am very proud of this group and our various projects. We are definitely "cutting edge" on many fronts in genealogy. In fact, I'm tempted to include the Eastern Shore and Delmarva peninsula into this group. My fear is that that we be over-reaching. My other fear is that we may be under-reaching. I'd love to hear feedback on this idea. > > Craig > > On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:56 PM, karenhappuch wrote: > >> I understood the criteria for the NN dna project's patriarch list as >> differing from criteria for NN tree inclusion. The patriarchs as well as >> gedcoms uploaded to Family Tree DNA are intended to assist dna matches in >> locating the common ancestor. The patriarchs are not necessarily well >> documented or proven ancestors. (Those who aren't should not be on the NN >> tree.) >> >> About half of my NN patriarchs are flagged in my genealogy software as >> "hold" and as "candidates" and NEVER make it into my reports or trees. I >> included them, for reasons just stated, in the project's patriarch list and >> in the gedcom I uploaded to Family Tree DNA. >> >> >> >> Barbara >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara, This is my understanding of it too. While the tree is a working document, it should not be used to repeat the same old, same old. The NN dna project, as I understand it, it too test those theories, and maybe (hopefully) come with a lot more. I am very proud of this group and our various projects. We are definitely "cutting edge" on many fronts in genealogy. In fact, I'm tempted to include the Eastern Shore and Delmarva peninsula into this group. My fear is that that we be over-reaching. My other fear is that we may be under-reaching. I'd love to hear feedback on this idea. Craig On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:56 PM, karenhappuch wrote: > I understood the criteria for the NN dna project's patriarch list as > differing from criteria for NN tree inclusion. The patriarchs as well as > gedcoms uploaded to Family Tree DNA are intended to assist dna matches in > locating the common ancestor. The patriarchs are not necessarily well > documented or proven ancestors. (Those who aren't should not be on the NN > tree.) > > About half of my NN patriarchs are flagged in my genealogy software as > "hold" and as "candidates" and NEVER make it into my reports or trees. I > included them, for reasons just stated, in the project's patriarch list and > in the gedcom I uploaded to Family Tree DNA. > > > > Barbara > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the name of God, Amen. I, William Ball of ye County of Lancaster, in Rappa, being praise God in good and perfect health both body and mind. etc etc. Item; I give and Devise my Land and Plantation whereon I live, Express in two patterns containing 540 acres to my SON, WILLIAM BALL, and his heirs forever, never ye less it is my will and pleasure that my loving wife, HANNAH BALL, be and remain in full possession thereof together with all household goods & servants both Christians & Negroes with ye ____ of Cattle of all kind excepting what is particularly bequeathed out of which never ye less not to be delivered till ye ___ of her rights for and during her natural life provided she so long remains a widow and therefore it is my will and pleasure that what shall remain in her possession be inventoried and valued by herself and my two sons between them themselves to be and if she should marry again, she may then enjoy on her aportionable parts according to law. Item; For ye other part of my Estate consisting chiefly in Merchandising good and debts, it is my will and pleasure ye sale also be Inventoried and Valued as before and she my sd Wife likewise enjoy 1/3 part thereafter and the ye remainder together with what shall be over and above her 3rd part of household goods, servants and cattle of all kinds not hereby particularly bequeathed be soon after ye termination of her rights thereby limited divided into parts, there where of whereof I give and bequeath to my SON, WILLIAM BALL and his heirs forever & ye other two parts of to my SON, JOSEPH BALL and his heirs forever their part of merchandising goods and depts to be forthwith Delivered. Item;I give and Devise my land in ye freshes of RAPPK, Cont’g by patent 1600 acres to my two SONS, WILLIAM AND JOSEPH BALL, and to each their heirs forever to be equally divided without any Advantage of Survivorship if either of them should decease before Demission. Item;I give and Bequeath to my SON, WILLIAM BALL, and his heirs my two Negroes called TAME and KATIE and his wife, to my SON, JOSEPH BALL, and his heirs heirs my Negroes, TONY & DINAH, his wife, the Negro Girl and her Negro boy, JAMES, to my wife to dispose of between my two sons of their children and noe otherwise when her rights shall determine either by death or marriage. Item; I give unto my sons, William and Joseph Ball whatsoever either of them stand indebted to me upon acct. in my book. Item; I hereby nominate and appointe my two sons, WILLIAM & JOSEPH BALL, Executor's of this my LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT to ac together in all things in yer ordering and disposing of ye Estate according to the true intent and meaning thereof by a due performance of ye several exceptions p’visoes and limitations contained hereby renouncing all former Wills,& declare this to be my last will and testament by witnessing the same with my hand. SEALED this 5th day of OCTR. 1680, and in the 2 and thirtieth year of our Sovereigne Lord King Charles ye Second. Source; http://freepages.genealolgy.rootsweb.com/endovit/np325.html *************************************************************************** >From the book, Index to Marriages of Old Rappahannock & Essex Co, VA, page 15. Library of Congress number F232.E7 W5 1983x is the following information. “1673, Capt. Wm Ball Lancaster Co married Margaret, dau of James Williamson, Book D, no 5, page 289 [ actual dated is 26 March 1673]. This is further proven by her Will and also an article in William & Mary Quarterly on the Williamson & Rossier Families. Will was written on 6 Feb 1697 and she died 9 Feb 1708/9. 1. William Ball, Colonel, was born in 1615, in London, England. He immigrated in 1657 to Rappahannock River, VA. He died in Nov 1680 in Millenbeck, Lancaster Co VA. Immigrated abt 1650 after Charles I death. Hardy, page 30, says “ Col. William Ball came to the Colony in 1657, he was a descendant of William Ball, Lord of the Manor of Barkham, who died in 1480. He was married to Hannah Atherold, [dau. of Thomas Atherold and Mary Harvey]. Hannah Atherold was born in 1616 in Burgh, Suffolk, England. She died on 25 June 1695 in Millenbeck, Lancaster Co., VA. She has Ancestor Chart number 50-03/60-05. She was buried in Millenbeck, Lancaster, VA. William Ball, Colonel and Hannah Atherold had the following children; Richard Ball William Ball, Captain Joseph Ball, Colonel Hannah Ball ********************************************** This line is of interest because of its famous son, George Washington. He had no children of his own, but there were cousins in the Ball line. His great grandfather,Captain William Ball, was Eve Ball Taylor’s grandfather. *********************************************

Adventurers of Purse and Persons Virginia 1607-1624/5 Fourth Edition. Volume One Families A-F Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc. 2004 page 35 Thomas Tanner, aged 24 yeres came in the James I and Andrew Railey, William Cooksey, Thomas Boglen, WILLIAM CARTER, and John Johnson also. ***************************

Same series of books, 1690-1709 pages 3, 4 in this book. Pages 3-5 in Lancaster Co VA WIll Book 8. In the name of God, Amen. Etc I, JOHN CARTER, being sick in body but of perfect memory, etc. First, I doe give Black Dick and Chris, his wife, after the finishing of the Crop that is now on the grounde, their Freedom, and I doe give each of them a cow and calfe and three barrels of corn a peece, and I doe like wise give them so much ground upon the land I bought of NICHOLAS WRENN and old CLAPHAM, for their lives so tend with houses convenient for them and timber for casques. And likewise Chrisses youngest daughter, I set free along with her, and likewise, I do give Diana and Little Chriss, their freedom when they come to the age of Eighteen yeres, and that they live in the meantime with my Wife. And I doe give each of them a yearling heifer with their increase until they come to half a dozen, to run along with my Wifes stock of cattle, and the rest of their encrease I give unto my Wife. Item; I give unto EDWARD HERBERT twenty shillings to buy him a ring. I give alsoe unto the sd Herbert Herbert all my wearing apparell. Item; I give unto my Wife in lieu of full satisfaction of the JOYNTURE I made to her before marriage, one third part of my personal estate here in Virginia after the debts paide, what is due from the estate the Tobacco now growing hence excepted but if my Wife bee not content with what I have here given her in my Will, but shall sue for more, then my Will is that the GIFT bee voided and that she have noe moer but the Joynture I made before marriage. Item; I give unto my Wife the two Saddle Horses she brought with her. Item; I give unto my Wife one third part of all the bookes of Divinity, the other two thirds of the books of Divinity, I give to my Daughter, ELIZABETH. Item; After all my debt paide, I give the other two thirds of my p;sonall Estate here in Virginia unto my Daughter, ELIZABETH, and my WILL is that this Crop now growing home be consigned to MR. EDWARD LEMAN and MR ARTHUR BALEY, all the money I have in ENGLAND with the p’duce of this saide crop I give unto my DAUGHER, ELIZABETH, except my BROTHER, CHARLES, Portion which is to be paid out of saide money. Item; My Will is that if the OVERSEERS of this my WILL see fit and convenient for the advantage of my CHILDE to dispose of her ESTATE here in Virginia, then it bee disposed of wholely and in every part, the good with the bad together, and upon no other accot., but for the money to be paide by good bills of Exchange to bee sent home to Mr. LEMAN and MR. ARTHUR BALEY, or the survivor of them. Item; My Will if that the Land bought of WILLIAM CLAPHAM and NICHOLAS WREN bee continued seated with tenn Negroes for the use of my CHILDE untill the day of her marriage or till she bee of the age of eighteen yeres which share happen first and that she then have full power to dispose of her selfe and her Estate as she pleases. Item; I give unto my DAUGHTER, ELIZABETH, the Negro Childe Bridget to waite upon her; Item; I give unto my Daughter, her owne Mother’s riding horse. My Wlil is that what money my Daughter shall have in ENGLAND bee put out to interest for her use by MR> EDWARD LEMAN and MR ARTHUR BALEY, with good security for the amount of the principall when she shall come of age. Item: My Will if that my ESTATE in Virginia bee not devided untill the finishing and compleating of the Crop that is now on the ground, one third of which Crop in Corn and Tobacco, I give unto my WIFE, the other two thirds to my CHILDE, and my WILL is that her said aprt of Tobacco bee shipt home to be consigned to MR EDWARD LEMAN and MR ARTHUR BALEY and the p;duce thereof added to her Estate in England. Item; My Will is that when my DAUGHTER arrives to the age of Fourteen yeares, she shall have her choice to stay in Virginia and either live with her Grand Mother, her Mother, or Mrs. MORRIS, which she pleases, and to bee allowed thirty pounds Sterling annual of the INTEREST of her WHOLE Estate towards her maintenance or to goe to ENGLAND and be allowed Firty pounds Sterling a yeare of of the said interest. Item; I give unto my Wife, if she bee a single woman, two hundred pounds Sterling out of this ESTATE given her by my Will. I do give the followeth; Item; Then my WILL is the remainder bee divided into three parts, two parts which I give to my BROTHER, ROBERT CARTER, and his heires, the other part I give unto my BROTHER CHALRES and his heires. Item; If my Daughter dies without issue of her body, or in case of the death of such issue, I give my MILL and all my reall Estate unto my BROTHER, ROBERT CARTER, and his heires. Item; I doe constitute and appointe my Daughter, ELIZABETH, to bee Executrix of this my Last Will and Testament and I do appointe her GRANDMOTHER, her MOTHER IN LAW, my BROTHER< ROBERT and MRS. MORRIS, to be OVERSEERS of this my Last Will and Testament, but if the Estate bee disposed of as aforesaid, and the effects sent home for England, then my WILL is that Mr. Leman and Mr. Arthur Baley bee joyned with them as OVERSEERS of her estate there. Item; My Will is that my Daughter, Elizabeth, be allowed thirty pounds yearly henceforth for her maintenance and that she shall have her choice whether to live with her Grand Mother or Mrs. Morris, which she pleases. Item; My Will is that there bee a true and just inventory and Account of my Estate both here and in England taken by the Overseers appointed and given in Court and entered upon record. Item; I give unto my BROTHER, ROBERT CARTER, all my Law and Latine Bookes, My Cane and my Sword perriwigg. Item; I give unto my BROTHER, CHARLES CARTER, three pds Sterling to buy a ring. Item; My Will I the p';sons above named which I have constituted as OVERSEERS of my Childe’s Estate , or the survivors of them doe act joyntly together or the major part of them and not contradicting one another, An in Witness that this is my Last Will and Testament, I doe hereunto set my hand this fourth day of June in the yeare of our Lord, one thousand six hundred and ninety; This was delivered to be the Last WILL and TESTAMENT in Pr;sence of Coll. JNO CARTER by him the said Coll. John Carter. In pr;sence of us; JOHN MORRIS No signature shown MARGARET BIGGINS At Court held for the County of Lancaster, June 11th, 1690 JOHN MORRIS, JAMES ENNIS & MARGARET BIGGINS made oath they heard Coll John Carter [deceased] declare this WILL to bee his LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT and was in p;fect sence and in disposing memory to the best of their apprehension. TESTE; JOHN STRETCHLEY, Cl Cur. **********************

Ginny, Do you belong to our Northern Neck tree on ancestry.com? All of the data for William-2 Ball is there. No need to look it up. That's been a hundred times, an this tree is an effort to give it a permanent and documented home. One of our main goals to not have to repeat all this same information over and over and over. Craig Kilby On Oct 29, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Virginia L. Ginny Keefer wrote: > > Hi David, What dates are you giving to William Ball and what place do you > have listed for him living ? I am retired with time on my hands and want to > take a look too. Thanx. Ginny Keefer > ************************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: DAVID BROWN > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:35 PM > To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Revised Patriarch List: William Ball,I & > Hannah Atherold > > Craig, > > You’re right in that I should have listed William Ball, I & Hannah Atherold. > However, I wasn’t sure how conclusive the evidence is for this marriage to > Hannah Atherold, and I also wasn’t entirely confident of my own data on > William Ball, I as far as dates were concerned (I had more concrete data on > William Ball, II who married Margaret Williamson). >

I understood the criteria for the NN dna project's patriarch list as differing from criteria for NN tree inclusion. The patriarchs as well as gedcoms uploaded to Family Tree DNA are intended to assist dna matches in locating the common ancestor. The patriarchs are not necessarily well documented or proven ancestors. (Those who aren't should not be on the NN tree.) About half of my NN patriarchs are flagged in my genealogy software as "hold" and as "candidates" and NEVER make it into my reports or trees. I included them, for reasons just stated, in the project's patriarch list and in the gedcom I uploaded to Family Tree DNA. Barbara

Lancaster CO VA Will Abstracts 1690-1709, by the later Ruth & Sam Sparacio, 1992, pp. 82-83 Page 95 in Lancaster Co VA Will Book, No 8. In the name of God, Amen, the 16th day of August, 1700, I, THOMAS CARTER , Senr. of the County of Lancaster, being sick in body but of god and perfect memory thanks be to Almighty God, etc, etc. And now for the settling of my temporal Estate and such goods, chattels and debts as it hath pleased God , etc. etc. Item; I doe give unto my son, EDWARD CARTER, one hundred ackers of land to him and his heires forever but if it soe be the sd Edwd. will not john with his Brors; within thee months after my decease to pay equall charge for laying it our and lett his Mother have wt timber she shall have occation of for repairing houses and fences on my now dwelling Plantacon during her life, that then he shall have no benefitt of it, but I doe give it to my son, John Carter, to him and his heires for ever; Item; I doe give onto my son, JOHN CARTER, one hundred ackers of land to him and his heires for ever, only reserving the same privilidge to my WIFE, as in the other two items. Item; I doe give my Negro Dick unto my loving wife, KATHRINE during her naturall life and then to be devided amongst all the rest of my children only my Son Edwd to hanve no share of him. Item; I doe give all my personall Estate wt';soever els to be divided amongst my loving Wife and Children, only reserving the great Table to my Wife. Whereas my Son in Law reced. fifteen hundred and suxty pounds of tobacco in part of wt. Estate his grandfather in Law, EDWD DALE, gave his Wife, and I having no rect. for it, and if the said WM. GEORGE will not be accountable for it, then it is my Will that he shall have now part of my Esate but only one shilling in full part of his Wifes portion. Item; I doe give onto my Sonn, THOMAS CARTER, my now Dwelling Plantacon with one hundred akers of land to it to him and his heires for ever after my now loving WIFE, KATHRINE, decease. Item; I doe nominate my Son, THOMAS CARTER, my Erer., and my loving WIFE, my Exetirex of this my Last Will & Testament. In Witness whereof I have here unto set my hand and Seale the day and year above written published in the presents of JOHN DAVIS THOMAS CARTER THO; WHITE, RICHD. STEPHENS Probate last Will & Testament in Cur Com Lancaster; dicimo quarto die Novembris Ano: Dom: 1700 p Oaths of John Davis, THOMAS WHITE and RICHARD STEPHENS. Admitted to record and recorded. ********************************************************************** Misc Records. Same series of book as above by Spararcio’s 1652-1657 Lancaster County Court, 6th of February, 1655/6 Whereas it did appeare to this Court, that the Estate o Capt. Borcas, deceased, stands in indebted to Capt. Edward Streater in 1200 lbs of tobacco & caske, it is ordered that the said debt bee paid by MAIER, JOHN CARTER, who marryed ye RELICT of Capt. Brocas to Jo; Sharpe, the ATTOURNEY OF YE SD STREATOR. ********************************************************************* Same series of books, 1690-1709. page 45 Lancaster Co VA Will book 8, p 56 In the Name of God, Amen. etc, etc. I, EDWARD CARTER, the twentie fourth day of August, 1694, being of sound perfect memory, etc. in the County of Lancaster; in the RAPPA RIVER of Virginia. Imprs; If is hall soe please God that my now wife shall happen to over live mee, I give unto her for her maintenance dureing her life the whole p:ffitt of my Estate whatsoever some respect being lwaies had to her as in an honest woman & gentle woman and many yeares my Wife, and after her decease, I give the plantacon whereon I now live to my two grandchildren; PETE and JOSEPH CARTER, to have and to holde to them, their heires and assignees forever; to be equally divided betweene them and in case of the mortality of either of them before they come of the age of twenty-one years, then to my grandson, JNO CARTER. Item; I give onto my two Grandsons, PETER and JOSEPH CARTER, and to my two Granddaughters, ELIZABETH CARTER and KATHERINE CARTER; all my personall Estate whatsoever to bee equally divided betweene them and in case wither of the girls happen to depart this life before their day of marriage or eighteen years of age, I give her part to the Survivor. Item; I give to my Grandson; PETER CARTER, my Negro boy, named William Rogers, twelve pence in full of all claimes whatsoever. Item; It is my desire for the bettter improveing of my Estate for the aforesaid that my Estate be continued upon the said plantacon and after my Wife be supplied with all the necessaries and the plantacon likewise yearly. I give unto my Daughter, KATHERINE, during her life the p;ffitt of all the Estate whatsoever. Item; I doe nominate and appointe my Grandson, EDWARD CARTER, and my Daughter, KATHERINE CARTER, and my Granddaughter, ELIZABETH CARTER, when she arrives to the age of Sixteene yeares of age to be my executors. In Witness whereof I have here unto put my hand and Seale and published in the presence of; JOHN CHELTON EDWARD DALE THO. CARTER JUNR. HENRY CARTER Probata in Cur Com Lancaster; undecimo die Martii 1695 p John Chelton, Thoms Carter Jr and Henry Carter. Teste; John Stretchley. Cl Cur. ************************************

All, This is all just so much speculation and guessing because certain names "look right." I'd be very careful about taking any of this is a fact. I sure don't want to see it on our NN tree unless there is proof of relationships. Otherwise, we are just as bad as the rest of the stuff floating around out there in cyberspace. That is not our goal. Craig On Oct 29, 2012, at 6:44 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > > > The following is of interest as well as it actually connects Vesey to Gosnold & Ball (specifically Roger Ball of Hadleigh). > > 1559 Will of Robert Vesey (Source: Suffolk Manorial Families, Being the County Visitations and Other ..., Volume 1 edited by Joseph James Muskett): > Robert Vesey of Hadley in the countye of Suffolk, clothier, 11 Octr 1559. To the children of William Vesey by his first and second wives, when of age. To the children of Lawrence Vezey, viz, :—Abram, Isaacke, and Laurance when twenty four, and to Rose, Dorathe, Margaret, Anne, Alice and Marye Vesey, when twenty years of age. To John Smith, sonne of William Smith of Hadley: Anthony Gosnold, sonne of Robert Gosnold, late of Ottley: Alice Gosnold my maide: Judith Gosnold daughter of said Robert: Elizabeth Smith, dwelling with me, daughter of John Smith of Elmsett: Roger Ball of Hadleigh my kinsman: Katherine Cole, daughter of Rose Cole. To William Vesey my sonne my lands in Leigham. To Arture Vesey my sonne the howso I dwell in for life; then to Robert Vesey his sonne , then, for lack of sonnes to said Arthur and Robert, to Laurence Vesey* sonne late of Laurence Vesey sonne of me ) and then, failing issue males, to Isaacke Vesey. Lands to Arthur Vesey for > life, then to Robert Vesey his eldest sonne. To the said Arthur Vesey lands in Roydon. To Dorathe Vesey daughter of William Vesey. To Laurence Smith, sonne of John Smith, lands in Roydon. To William Vesey sonne of William Vesey; Ingelbrighte Smithe, sonne of John Smith of Elmsett: Henry Vesey sonne of William Vesey: Robert Smith sonne of John Smith of Elmsett: Edward Smith sonne of John Smith of Elmsett; John Gosnold sonne of Robert Gosnold late of Ottley: William and John Gosnold, also sonnes of the said Robert: John Smith sonne of John Smith of Hadley; and Robert Smith th'elder. sonne of John Smith of Elmsett. Probate 7 May 1561 Juramento Willmi Vesey executoris. Cur. Pncrog. Cant. 16 Loftus. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Once again, an attempt at civil discourse is met with condescension and outright rudeness from our List Administrator.  I sufficiently qualified my statements in such a way that any reasonable reader would realize that I did not at all conclude any relationship whatsoever.   As for Walne, the article seems to prove the Ball family was not of Berkshire.  The author reviewed the children of Thomas Atherold and Mary Harvey, but doesn't sufficiently explore the children of Thomas Atherold, Sr. & Mary Vesey.  No conclusion can be made as to the supposed Atherold connection one way or another!!!!!!! I'm sure the List Administrator will misinterpret one of my latest statements and follow up with another rude comment.  However,this is my last word on this subject. David ________________________________ From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net>; va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Revised Patriarch List: William Ball, I & Hannah Atherold The rest here is just so much fantasy, until somebody proves it. Please don't put in on the tree. >  I have always found this supposed Vesey connection intriguing as I see this surname elsewhere.  For instance, the Dameron Family Association has conducted research (led by John Dameron whose sister SylVaden is a member of this List) of the Damerons in Suffolk, England and found a marriage record for George Dameron to Elizabeth Gosnold in 1555 in Suffolk, England.  <snip>

Comments, as are on the NN tree and my own knowledge: On Oct 29, 2012, at 6:35 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > Craig, > > You’re right in that I should have listed William Ball, I & Hannah Atherold. However, I wasn’t sure how conclusive the evidence is for this marriage to Hannah Atherold, The Atherold part is not conclusive, and despite all the stuff recently posted here, it does not seem likely. I am tiring of having to repeat this, but the Robert Walne article on this topic (1959) is as far as I know the last word on this until someone proves otherwise. > and I also wasn’t entirely confident of my own data on William Ball, I as far as dates were concerned (I had more concrete data on William Ball, II who married Margaret Williamson). William-2 Ball who m. Margaret Williamson (his ONLY wife and her ONLY husband) is not in dispute. Bank on it. > > I don’t know if there is documentation to support it, but I have seen Hannah Atherold listed as the daughter of Thomas Atherold and Mary Vesey (Atherold was a Suffolk, England family). The rest here is just so much fantasy, until somebody proves it. Please don't put in on the tree. > I have always found this supposed Vesey connection intriguing as I see this surname elsewhere. For instance, the Dameron Family Association has conducted research (led by John Dameron whose sister Syl Vaden is a member of this List) of the Damerons in Suffolk, England and found a marriage record for George Dameron to Elizabeth Gosnold in 1555 in Suffolk, England. <snip>