This just in from a meeting today between the Mary Ball Washington Library volunteers and the Historic Christ Church Foundation volunteers, that our own Bob Lumsden helped organize and presided over. The long-awaited book on 31 Northumberland County church cemeteries is about to hit the market. An advance copy was provided by Bob McKinney, chief cat-herder for this project. I'm not sure I've got my facts straight on this, but it is apparently being published by the Genealogical Society of the Northern Neck of Virginia (NOT to be confused with the Northern Neck of Virginia Historical Society.) I am told the book will sell for $35.95. I also am to understand that the MBW gift shop will be carrying it. For those interested in this, I would suggest contacting Karen Hart, Executive Director by email at karen@mbwm.org for further details and pre-ordering. Craig

Hi all, The Kirk family is not one on which I have done any work in the Colonial period (or otherwise, for that matter.) Perhaps some of you here have. (Not many on our NN tree, to my surprise.) I ran into "one" of them today while looking at the estate of Thomas O'Harrow who died in Lancaster County in 1764. On April 14th of that year, the Winifred O'Harrow, widow and relict of Thomas O'Harrow, was granted administration on his estate. She did not post any bond. When the estate was appraised and divided on 10 Jun 1764, her dower's third was given to "the widow KIRK." The rest was awarded to "ten children each." (Not named, naturally!) One of these ten children is surely the Thomas HARROW (aka O'HARROW) of Middlesex County, and who at least seven children whose births are recorded in both Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County and Abingdon Parish, Gloucester County. FOR NOW, I'd be thrilled to name of Winifred's 2nd husband, ----- KIRK. Anyone know? Craig

For all, I do recommend the Family Finder DNA kit. If you also have an interest specifically in your SURNAME and want to see if you match on that line specifically , you could order the FF + Y-37 combo test. I don't recomment the mtDNA test for those hoping to find their ancestral line - there is a very small chance of success. But if you are interested in your Deep Ancestry, the get a combo including FF and MtDNA - any one of them should do. As a reminder, the Family FInder test looks at 710,000 places across all of your autosomal DNA (which is over 95% of all your DNA). The main result includes the names and emails of everyone who is probably your cousin based on shared DNA. You job, then, is to contact each of these matches and compare Ancestries and determine the Common Ancestor. If you have any ancestor in the Northern Neck, you are invited to join our NN Family Finder Project. I'll soon be posting the half-dozen or so NN ancestors of mine with Familyu Finder matches. Jim Bartlett On 11/13/12, Craig Kilby<persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: Jim, thanks for the "live update." Of the many kits offered "on sale" that David sent, for purposes of our atDNA project, which one are you recommending? I think it is the "family finder" kit but please elaborate on it. (I know it is none of the Y-DNA or mtDNA kits but that still leaves some others on the list.) Craig On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Thanks for the post, David, > > This conference was for Project Admins and covered the full breadth of DNA testing. And the discussions among participants were non stop from Friday afternoon thru Sunday night. I got to be a part of the presentations on Family Finder, as several of us shared the various ways we use this tool. I provided handouts in 4 areas: > 1. 3 phases of using atDNA, spanning several years (from first steps to contacting all matches to mapping) > 2. Downloading atDNA data into spreadsheets > 3. My spreadsheet format > 4. Segment rules. > > If anyone wants to send me an off-line email (easier for me), I'll send any/all of these one-page documents. > > Well, I didn't get much help in managing a geographic project, so I will continue to develop this process. We did have an excellent presentation from "The Legal Genealogist" on ethics and privacy, so I will be working on communication tools among the Family Finder participants (who already have access to this info), along with formats to post our NN Common Ancestors here and in the NN Tree. > > Participation in DNA testing through Family Finder is growing rapidly (I am now getting over 10 new matches each month). This sale is a good opportunity to get involved. DNA test kits make great holiday gifts - there is a lot of excitement over several months, and often the rest of the family is interested and gets involved. And new info comes in monthly, forever. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Nov 12, 2012, at 10:51 PM, DAVID BROWN <[1]dbrown544@prodigy.net> wrote: > >> >> >> FYI, in case there's interest in DNA testing among List members, FamilyTreeDNA is having a holiday sale on their DNA testing kits (see below for information). You can click the link in the e-mail below, and then click products in order to determine which DNA testing kit best meets your genealogy research needs. >> >> As we ended our 8th Annual Genetic Genealogy Conference, several conference participants asked us to start our year-end sale as soon as possible. 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Jim, thanks for the "live update." Of the many kits offered "on sale" that David sent, for purposes of our atDNA project, which one are you recommending? I think it is the "family finder" kit but please elaborate on it. (I know it is none of the Y-DNA or mtDNA kits but that still leaves some others on the list.) Craig On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Thanks for the post, David, > > This conference was for Project Admins and covered the full breadth of DNA testing. And the discussions among participants were non stop from Friday afternoon thru Sunday night. I got to be a part of the presentations on Family Finder, as several of us shared the various ways we use this tool. I provided handouts in 4 areas: > 1. 3 phases of using atDNA, spanning several years (from first steps to contacting all matches to mapping) > 2. Downloading atDNA data into spreadsheets > 3. My spreadsheet format > 4. Segment rules. > > If anyone wants to send me an off-line email (easier for me), I'll send any/all of these one-page documents. > > Well, I didn't get much help in managing a geographic project, so I will continue to develop this process. We did have an excellent presentation from "The Legal Genealogist" on ethics and privacy, so I will be working on communication tools among the Family Finder participants (who already have access to this info), along with formats to post our NN Common Ancestors here and in the NN Tree. > > Participation in DNA testing through Family Finder is growing rapidly (I am now getting over 10 new matches each month). This sale is a good opportunity to get involved. DNA test kits make great holiday gifts - there is a lot of excitement over several months, and often the rest of the family is interested and gets involved. And new info comes in monthly, forever. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Nov 12, 2012, at 10:51 PM, DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> wrote: > >> >> >> FYI, in case there's interest in DNA testing among List members, FamilyTreeDNA is having a holiday sale on their DNA testing kits (see below for information). You can click the link in the e-mail below, and then click products in order to determine which DNA testing kit best meets your genealogy research needs. >> >> As we ended our 8th Annual Genetic Genealogy Conference, several conference participants asked us to start our year-end sale as soon as possible. In answer to those requests we decided to start it immediately: >> New Kits Current Price SALE PRICE >> Y-DNA 37 $169 $119 >> Y-DNA 67 $268 $199 >> mtDNAPlus $159 $139 >> mtFullSequence (FMS) $299 $199 >> SuperDNA (Y-DNA 67 and mtFullSequence) $548 $398 >> Family Finder $289 $199 >> Family Finder + mtDNAPlus $438 $318 >> Family Finder + mtFullSequence $559 $398 >> Family Finder + Y-DNA 37 $438 $318 >> Comprehensive (FF + FMS + Y-67) $837 $597 >> Upgrades Current Price SALE PRICE >> Y-Refine 12-25 Marker $59 $35 >> Y-Refine 12-37 Marker $109 $69 >> Y-Refine 12-67 Marker $199 $148 >> Y-Refine 25-37 Marker $59 $35 >> Y-Refine 25-67 Marker $159 $114 >> Y-Refine 37-67 Marker $109 $79 >> Y-Refine 37-111 Marker $220 $188 >> Y-Refine 67-111 Marker $129 $109 >> mtHVR1toMega $269 $179 >> mtHVR2toMega $239 $179 >> mtFullSequence Add-on $289 $199 >> To order this special offer, log in to your personal page and click on the Order An Upgrade button in the upper right corner. A link to the login page is provided below. ALL ORDERS MUST BE PLACED AND PAID FOR BY MONDAY, DECEMBER 31, 2012 11:59:00 PM CST TO RECEIVE THE SALE PRICES. >> Log In to Order an Upgrade. >> Click Here to Order a New Kit. >> As always, we appreciate your continued support.Family Tree DNA >> www.familytreedna.com >> "History Unearthed Daily" >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the post, David, This conference was for Project Admins and covered the full breadth of DNA testing. And the discussions among participants were non stop from Friday afternoon thru Sunday night. I got to be a part of the presentations on Family Finder, as several of us shared the various ways we use this tool. I provided handouts in 4 areas: 1. 3 phases of using atDNA, spanning several years (from first steps to contacting all matches to mapping) 2. Downloading atDNA data into spreadsheets 3. My spreadsheet format 4. Segment rules. If anyone wants to send me an off-line email (easier for me), I'll send any/all of these one-page documents. Well, I didn't get much help in managing a geographic project, so I will continue to develop this process. We did have an excellent presentation from "The Legal Genealogist" on ethics and privacy, so I will be working on communication tools among the Family Finder participants (who already have access to this info), along with formats to post our NN Common Ancestors here and in the NN Tree. Participation in DNA testing through Family Finder is growing rapidly (I am now getting over 10 new matches each month). This sale is a good opportunity to get involved. DNA test kits make great holiday gifts - there is a lot of excitement over several months, and often the rest of the family is interested and gets involved. And new info comes in monthly, forever. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Nov 12, 2012, at 10:51 PM, DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> wrote: > > > FYI, in case there's interest in DNA testing among List members, FamilyTreeDNA is having a holiday sale on their DNA testing kits (see below for information). You can click the link in the e-mail below, and then click products in order to determine which DNA testing kit best meets your genealogy research needs. > > As we ended our 8th Annual Genetic Genealogy Conference, several conference participants asked us to start our year-end sale as soon as possible. In answer to those requests we decided to start it immediately: > New Kits Current Price SALE PRICE > Y-DNA 37 $169 $119 > Y-DNA 67 $268 $199 > mtDNAPlus $159 $139 > mtFullSequence (FMS) $299 $199 > SuperDNA (Y-DNA 67 and mtFullSequence) $548 $398 > Family Finder $289 $199 > Family Finder + mtDNAPlus $438 $318 > Family Finder + mtFullSequence $559 $398 > Family Finder + Y-DNA 37 $438 $318 > Comprehensive (FF + FMS + Y-67) $837 $597 > Upgrades Current Price SALE PRICE > Y-Refine 12-25 Marker $59 $35 > Y-Refine 12-37 Marker $109 $69 > Y-Refine 12-67 Marker $199 $148 > Y-Refine 25-37 Marker $59 $35 > Y-Refine 25-67 Marker $159 $114 > Y-Refine 37-67 Marker $109 $79 > Y-Refine 37-111 Marker $220 $188 > Y-Refine 67-111 Marker $129 $109 > mtHVR1toMega $269 $179 > mtHVR2toMega $239 $179 > mtFullSequence Add-on $289 $199 > To order this special offer, log in to your personal page and click on the Order An Upgrade button in the upper right corner. A link to the login page is provided below. ALL ORDERS MUST BE PLACED AND PAID FOR BY MONDAY, DECEMBER 31, 2012 11:59:00 PM CST TO RECEIVE THE SALE PRICES. > Log In to Order an Upgrade. > Click Here to Order a New Kit. > As always, we appreciate your continued support.Family Tree DNA > www.familytreedna.com > "History Unearthed Daily" > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FYI, in case there's interest in DNA testing among List members, FamilyTreeDNA is having a holiday sale on their DNA testing kits (see below for information).  You can click the link in the e-mail below, and then click products in order to determine which DNA testing kit best meets your genealogy research needs. As we ended our 8th Annual Genetic Genealogy Conference, several conference participants asked us to start our year-end sale as soon as possible. In answer to those requests we decided to start it immediately: New Kits Current Price SALE PRICE                       Y-DNA 37 $169 $119 Y-DNA 67 $268 $199 mtDNAPlus $159 $139 mtFullSequence (FMS) $299 $199 SuperDNA (Y-DNA 67 and mtFullSequence) $548 $398 Family Finder $289 $199 Family Finder + mtDNAPlus $438 $318 Family Finder + mtFullSequence $559 $398 Family Finder + Y-DNA 37 $438 $318 Comprehensive (FF + FMS + Y-67) $837 $597 Upgrades Current Price SALE PRICE                       Y-Refine 12-25 Marker $59 $35 Y-Refine 12-37 Marker $109 $69 Y-Refine 12-67 Marker $199 $148 Y-Refine 25-37 Marker $59 $35 Y-Refine 25-67 Marker $159 $114 Y-Refine 37-67 Marker $109 $79 Y-Refine 37-111 Marker $220 $188 Y-Refine 67-111 Marker $129 $109 mtHVR1toMega $269 $179 mtHVR2toMega $239 $179 mtFullSequence Add-on $289 $199  To order this special offer, log in to your personal page and click on the Order An Upgrade button in the upper right corner. A link to the login page is provided below. ALL ORDERS MUST BE PLACED AND PAID FOR BY MONDAY, DECEMBER 31, 2012 11:59:00 PM CST TO RECEIVE THE SALE PRICES. Log In to Order an Upgrade. Click Here to Order a New Kit. As always, we appreciate your continued support.Family Tree DNA www.familytreedna.com "History Unearthed Daily"   

Right you are, Craig. I forgot that Captain Daniel McCarty's sister Ellen Baylis sometimes shows up in records as Elinor. I looked too hastily in my database (for Eleanor). On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Craig wrote: > > Actually you do have an ELLEN aka ELINOR etc in your book, most notably on > pages 79; 81-82 (as well as other pages) who married Robert Baylis in > Richmond County in 1711. In your book, you show her as a daughter of Dennis > McCary and Elizabeth Billington. I don't know that this is of any use to > Marsha's problem, however. > > -- Kathleen Much The Book Doctor

Kathleen, Actually you do have an ELLEN aka ELINOR etc in your book, most notably on pages 79; 81-82 (as well as other pages) who married Robert Baylis in Richmond County in 1711. In your book, you show her as a daughter of Dennis McCary and Elizabeth Billington. I don't know that this is of any use to Marsha's problem, however. Craig Kilby You do have several entries for an Eleanor/Ellen McCarty in your book, most notably pages 81-82. On Nov 11, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Kathleen Much wrote: > Marsha Moses asked about the couple in the subject line. Unfortunately, > among the multitudinous McCartys of the NN, Bill and I didn't find a single > Eleanor. It just wasn't a McCarty name there. > > Don't forget that there were many unaffiliated McCartys in colonial VA. A > few of them even passed through the NN. We're always interested in any we > might have missed. > > Kathleen Much > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marsha Moses asked about the couple in the subject line. Unfortunately, among the multitudinous McCartys of the NN, Bill and I didn't find a single Eleanor. It just wasn't a McCarty name there. Don't forget that there were many unaffiliated McCartys in colonial VA. A few of them even passed through the NN. We're always interested in any we might have missed. Kathleen Much

Marsha, Stafford County IS included in the discussion group. The counties included here are: Stafford King George Westmoreland RIchmond Lancaster Northumberland Essex Middlesex If needs be to out side of this area, that's fine too. Craig P.S. McCarty is a big time NN name. We've discussed the excellent McCartys of the Northern Neck, by Bill McCarty and Kathleen Much, both of whom are on this list. On Nov 10, 2012, at 12:45 PM, marsha moses wrote: > I can not remember if Stafford County is included in our discussions or not? The archives show 416 old messages that contain Stafford County in them. So I assume that the county is not off-limits. But perhaps I am not asking my question in the best place. > > I am interested in knowing more about a marriage between John Salmons and Eleanor McCarty that is said to have taken place in Stafford County in 10 April 1748. > > There are 212 messages that contain the surname McCarty, so I do believe that McCarty may have been a NN name....No messages containing Salmons, so it is not likely to have been a NN surname. > > Any one know anything about this couple? Or recognize the McCarty family who was likely to have been in Stafford County in the mid 1700's? > > Marsha Moses > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can not remember if Stafford County is included in our discussions or not? The archives show 416 old messages that contain Stafford County in them. So I assume that the county is not off-limits. But perhaps I am not asking my question in the best place. I am interested in knowing more about a marriage between John Salmons and Eleanor McCarty that is said to have taken place in Stafford County in 10 April 1748. There are 212 messages that contain the surname McCarty, so I do believe that McCarty may have been a NN name....No messages containing Salmons, so it is not likely to have been a NN surname. Any one know anything about this couple? Or recognize the McCarty family who was likely to have been in Stafford County in the mid 1700's? Marsha Moses

Have you tried the BALL list or the LOUDOUN Co. list? Janean -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of genrsch@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 3:16 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] BALLS of Norfolk Do any of the Ball descendants on this list have any information on Genevieve and Carrie Ball, both of whom were spinsters who lived in Norfolk, Virginia, from about 1935 to 1970 and whose father was from Loudon County, Virginia? They were allegedly cousins of my grandmother, Anne America Perkins Scruggs. Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do any of the Ball descendants on this list have any information on Genevieve and Carrie Ball, both of whom were spinsters who lived in Norfolk, Virginia, from about 1935 to 1970 and whose father was from Loudon County, Virginia? They were allegedly cousins of my grandmother, Anne America Perkins Scruggs. Linda

This is a wonderful list. I do not like to see the hateful discourse. -----Original Message----- >From: "Virginia L. \"Ginny\" Keefer" <ginnykeefer@cox.net> >Sent: Oct 29, 2012 8:20 PM >To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net>, va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Revised Patriarch List: William Ball, I & Hannah Atherold > > >Hi David, What dates are you giving to William Ball and what place do you >have listed for him living ? I am retired with time on my hands and want to >take a look too. Thanx. Ginny Keefer >************************************************** >-----Original Message----- >From: DAVID BROWN >Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:35 PM >To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Revised Patriarch List: William Ball,I & >Hannah Atherold > >Craig, > >You’re right in that I should have listed William Ball, I & Hannah Atherold. >However, I wasn’t sure how conclusive the evidence is for this marriage to >Hannah Atherold, and I also wasn’t entirely confident of my own data on >William Ball, I as far as dates were concerned (I had more concrete data on >William Ball, II who married Margaret Williamson). > >I don’t know if there is documentation to support it, but I have seen Hannah >Atherold listed as the daughter of Thomas Atherold and Mary Vesey (Atherold >was a Suffolk, England family). I have always found this supposed Vesey >connection intriguing as I see this surname elsewhere. For instance, the >Dameron Family Association has conducted research (led by John Dameron whose >sister Syl Vaden is a member of this List) of the Damerons in Suffolk, >England and found a marriage record for George Dameron to Elizabeth Gosnold >in 1555 in Suffolk, England. George Dameron & Elizabeth Gosnold (married >1555) may possibly be the great-grandparents of emigrant ancestor Lawrence >Dameron who was married to Dorothy MNU. It appears this Elizabeth Gosnold >who married George Dameron in 1555 was the daughter of Edmund Gosnold and >Grace MNU. Edmund Gosnold had nephew Robert Gosnold who married Mary >Vesey. This Robert Gosnold and Mary Vesey are >ancestors of Bartholomew Gosnold, the Jamestowne founder. > >Lazarus Taylor of Northumberland Co., VA supposedly married Mary Vesey. I >don’t have proof, but suspect that this Lazarus Taylor is a brother (or >related somehow) of the widow Elizabeth Dennis who married George Dameron, >son of emigrant ancestor Lawrence Dameron (I descend from two of the sons of >emigrant Lawrence Dameron & Dorothy MNU – Bartholomew who married Elizabeth >Garlington and George who married widow Elizabeth Dennis). > >Anyway, this brings us back to a question previously discussed on this List. >Where is the English home of the William Ball, I family? Suffolk or >perhaps even Norfolk seem to me to be likely locations. Here is an excerpt >from the William & Mary Quarterly on this subject: > >http://www.jstor.org/stable/1915162 > >Thanks. > >David > >P.S. The following is of interest as well as it actually connects Vesey to >Gosnold & Ball (specifically Roger Ball of Hadleigh). > >1559 Will of Robert Vesey (Source: Suffolk Manorial Families, Being the >County Visitations and Other ..., Volume 1 edited by Joseph James Muskett): >Robert Vesey of Hadley in the countye of Suffolk, clothier, 11 Octr 1559. To >the children of William Vesey by his first and second wives, when of age. To >the children of Lawrence Vezey, viz, :—Abram, Isaacke, and Laurance when >twenty four, and to Rose, Dorathe, Margaret, Anne, Alice and Marye Vesey, >when twenty years of age. To John Smith, sonne of William Smith of Hadley: >Anthony Gosnold, sonne of Robert Gosnold, late of Ottley: Alice Gosnold my >maide: Judith Gosnold daughter of said Robert: Elizabeth Smith, dwelling >with me, daughter of John Smith of Elmsett: Roger Ball of Hadleigh my >kinsman: Katherine Cole, daughter of Rose Cole. To William Vesey my sonne my >lands in Leigham. To Arture Vesey my sonne the howso I dwell in for life; >then to Robert Vesey his sonne , then, for lack of sonnes to said Arthur and >Robert, to Laurence Vesey* sonne late of Laurence Vesey sonne of me ) and >then, failing issue males, to Isaacke Vesey. Lands to Arthur Vesey for >life, then to Robert Vesey his eldest sonne. To the said Arthur Vesey lands >in Roydon. To Dorathe Vesey daughter of William Vesey. To Laurence Smith, >sonne of John Smith, lands in Roydon. To William Vesey sonne of William >Vesey; Ingelbrighte Smithe, sonne of John Smith of Elmsett: Henry Vesey >sonne of William Vesey: Robert Smith sonne of John Smith of Elmsett: Edward >Smith sonne of John Smith of Elmsett; John Gosnold sonne of Robert Gosnold >late of Ottley: William and John Gosnold, also sonnes of the said Robert: >John Smith sonne of John Smith of Hadley; and Robert Smith th'elder. sonne >of John Smith of Elmsett. Probate 7 May 1561 Juramento Willmi Vesey >executoris. Cur. Pncrog. Cant. 16 Loftus. > >From: Craig Kilby persisto1@gmail.com >Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:23 PM >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Revised Patriarch List > >Just wondering here why David isn't using the emigrant, William-1 Ball >instead of his son William-2. Might make more sense if he did this: >BALL, William 1650-1680 Lancaster: David Brown >WILLIAMSON, James 1600s Essex: David Brown >I'd be tempted to add: >ATHEROLD, Hannah d 1695 Lancaster (widow of William-1 Ball): David Brown > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, This subject is of great interest to me as I have started (and stopped, and started and stopped) several times tracing the Ball family. No wonder no one can accurately trace any of these ancestors back across the pond! Through these recent exchanges I've learned one thing: many have gone before me and hit a brick wall. It's been very interesting and a great learning experience for me. You see something that makes sense only to have someone else debunk it with fact. It's been educational as well to have the references to the books and articles that i otherwise may have overlooked so that I can see for myself what has been done and what to believe. Brian Schoenthaler > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:34:19 -0700 > From: dbrown544@prodigy.net > To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Richard Ball, possible father of Wm the Immigrannt > > Thanks. I guess I don't see the harm in discussing this information even if it is considered old news. Some people may not see it that way. > > Anyway, I must move on to other things so will not be commenting further on this subject. > > From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> > To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net>; va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Richard Ball, possible father of Wm the Immigrannt

Don, I really must apologize. This is such old news to me that I get agitated. Heck'd book is interesting up to page 5. Then it is ridiculous. Walne tries to fix parts of that. You have to read both of them. Then you have to go back to Hayden, and then back from there. As we speak, efforts are underway to build a FAQ page to put a permanent end to this repetitive stream of unconscienceness. This will include links to articles. There are copyright issues to resolve. Craig On Nov 1, 2012, at 5:34 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > Craig, > > The Walne article clearly states that Heck was the one who invented this bizarre parchment theory. The quote (as Kathleen has already shared) is right here in Walne's own words (I don't see Heyden mentioned at all): > > > "Heck [note: _Colonel William Ball of Virginia_, pp. 16 ff. The arms are _Argent a lion passant sable on a chief of the second three mullets of the first_ with a crest _Out of clouds proper a demi lion rampant sable holding a globe or_.] shows clearly that the arms which were known to and claimed by the family in Virginia were identical or very similar to those granted in 1613 to Dr. Richard Ball, son of Lawrence Ball of Northamptonshire. If Heck's statement is correct and Colonel William Ball did indeed bring 'an illuminated parchment' when he emigrated from England, then the origins of the family must be sought in the Northamptonshire line" > > From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> > To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net>; va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Richard Ball, possible father of Wm the Immigrannt > > David, > Wow. I do not how your are coming up with these conclusions. The only "parchments" I can remember reading about were papers only Hayden had seen. Not Walne. Walne never said anything except that William Ball, the emigrant, was NOT from Barkham Manor, he MAY have been from Northamptonshire, and that Hanna his wife was NOT a daughter of Thomas Atherold of London. There is nothing difficult here. > Craig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig, I am sick and tired of your "holier-than-thou" attitude. You can eliminate me from all of your precious lists, trees, and dna projects! Ron P. S. You might go back and look at some of your posts, and see how bad your spelling and grammar is! Craig Kilby wrote: > Jim... > > He cant' even spell ancestry. Don't let this guy on our tree. We have enough idiots already. We do not need more. > > Seriously, follow my lead on kicking people out of this project. Either we have intelligent people, or we don't. > > On Nov 1, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > > > Ron, > > > > And for at least the third time, I have sent you an invite to be an Editor. I've now invited 66 folks, and all but 6 have accepted the message they get from Ancestry and are on board. > > > > I don't know why it's not working for you. Perhaps it's the fact that you are the only one with hyphens in your email - I don't know. > > > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > > > On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Ron Davis <i-d-c@alumni.calpoly.edu> wrote: > > > >> Jim, > >> > >> Once again I ask to be allowed to access the ancestory.com tree. > >> > >> > >> > >> Ron Davis > >> Woodland, CA > >> > >> > >> > >> Craig Kilby wrote: > >> > >>> For those who may have forgot, it is a good idea to bookmark this URL so that we do not have to revisit things that have been thoroughly discussed, chewed up, and mulled over in the past 3 years: > >>> > >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=va-northern-neck > >>> > >>> ALSO, for those who did not read the memo, we have a very robust and well documented tree on ancestry.com managed by Jim Bartlett. it is FREE even if you do not subscribe to ancestry.com. If you do not subscribe to ancestry, all you have to do is send Jim an email. > >>> > >>> The URL at ancestry is: > >>> > >>> http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/30617119/family?cfpid=12287870034 > >>> > >>> And Jim's email is: > >>> > >>> jim4bartletts@verizon.net > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>

A true southern gentleman! On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Craig Kilby <craig@craigkilby.com> wrote: > Doug, John, whatever your name is.......... > > -- Douglas Burnett Satellite Beach FL As a member of the Association of Professional Genealogists (APG), the National Genealogical Society (NGS), the Florida State Genealogical Society(FSGS) and the Virginia Genealogical Society(VGS), I support and adhere to the APG's Code of Ethics.

Uh, Jim....big time wrong........ On Nov 1, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: >> There should not be a copyright infringement if the source is quoted.

Doug, John, whatever your name is.......... HERE WE GO AGAIN. Peter Walne was the curator at Barkham Manor when he wrote the article. Why, oh why, are we re-hashing this? if you can prove where William Ball was born, and when, and who his wife was, we all be thrilled. What we are not thrilled about is having to rehash old news. Craig Kilby\ P.S. My inbox has been stuffed for two days now. I am getting quite agitated at how many times we have to fix things. Judging from my in box, I am not alone. On the other hand, a lot of people are still really out of the loop. Some day, I hope we can get everyone on the same page. Not looking good, though. On Nov 1, 2012, at 3:01 PM, James Burnett wrote: > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Peter Walne article was published in the Virginia Magazine of History & >> Biography in Vol. 67 No. 4 (October 1959) > > > That is a long time in light of all the new records coming to the > forefront. Has anyone validated this in recent time with all the new > records and information available? Given the source I am sure they believed > it correct in 1959 but we all have seen corrections based on newly > available information > > > > -- > Douglas Burnett > Satellite Beach > FL > As a member of the Association of Professional Genealogists (APG), the > National Genealogical Society (NGS), the Florida State Genealogical > Society(FSGS) and the Virginia Genealogical Society(VGS), I support and > adhere to the APG's Code of Ethics. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message