Jim, I don't know that I can help you with this one, and surely someone here can, but it reminds me a very similar case for St. Clair Burbridge Kilby of Madison County, Virginia whose family ends up in Tazewell County, Illinois but he doesn't. And no record of his death in Virginia. The most usual conclusion is that he died en route. Possible? Craig P.S. BTW, This St. Clair Kilby was the ancestor of Jack St. Clair Kilby, inventor of the silicon chip for Texas Instruments. No, not my direct ancestors who did nothing so noteworthy. However, I've corresponded over the years with members of this family and they don't know where St. Clair Kilby died either. But everyone is "certain" it was in 1836--both places given as place of death in various accounts. On Nov 23, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > > Most published ancestries of Christopher CHINN say he died 1787 Livingston, > KY (not sure if this is the town in current Rockcastle Co, or the county). > But in an 1809 affidavit, his brother, William CHINN, stated Christopher > CHINN died in Loudoun Co, VA in 1786. I'm not quibbling over the year, > but Loudoun Co, VA and KY are pretty far apart. His widow and three small > children wind up in KY, and she marries Thomas HALL and they live in Nelson > and Montgomery Co, KY (where they die in 1830s) > > So does anyone have record to indicate where Christopher CHINN died? >

Who is John "of the Forest" Marshall and Elizabeth "Lizzy" Markham? On Nov 21, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Tebel2888@aol.com <tebel2888@aol.com> wrote: > Because John Lovell was near Benjamin Berryman, he may well have been the father of Robert Lovell who m Sarah Marshall, dau of John "of the forest" Marshall and Elizabeth "Lizzy" Markham. Robert and Sarah even named their first son John. > > Charlene Reeds-Ebeling >

Thanks, Craig, Been working on this all day, and have one last piece of the puzzle (I hope) that maybe someone on this list can help me with. Most published ancestries of Christopher CHINN say he died 1787 Livingston, KY (not sure if this is the town in current Rockcastle Co, or the county). But in an 1809 affidavit, his brother, William CHINN, stated Christopher CHINN died in Loudoun Co, VA in 1786. I'm not quibbling over the year, but Loudoun Co, VA and KY are pretty far apart. His widow and three small children wind up in KY, and she marries Thomas HALL and they live in Nelson and Montgomery Co, KY (where they die in 1830s) So does anyone have record to indicate where Christopher CHINN died? Jim Bartlett On 11/23/12, Craig Kilby<persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: Jim, it would indeed certainly appear. There was another Christopher -4 Chinn (son of Charles-3 Chinn) of Fauquier County. But Elijah-3 Chinn was of Loudoun County and given the deed you recite below, this seems to be the logical placement. Still you should try to weed out/rule out this other Christopher Chinn to be sure. Either way, welcome to the scandalous world of the Chinns and Balls. Craig On Nov 23, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > My search has led me to a Christopher CHINN who married 17 Dec 1779 > Montgomery Co, MD Ann BARTLETT. This may well be Nancy Anne BARTLETT, > daughter of my ancestor <snip> > > 1784 Loudoun Co, VA Deed by Christopher CHINN (s/o Elijah CHINN dec'd) &wife > Nancy of Ldn to John Peyton HARRISON of Fauquier... 250ac in Ldn and > Fauquier bequeathed to Elijah CHINN by brother Christopher CHINN dec'd, adj > Charles CHINN ...<snip> > > So my question is: is this Christopher CHINN the son of Elijah-3 CHINN > (Rawleigh-2, John-1)? It looks that way in our NN Tree, and I could then > add the BARTLETT link, based on the records above. <snip>

Jim, it would indeed certainly appear. There was another Christopher -4 Chinn (son of Charles-3 Chinn) of Fauquier County. But Elijah-3 Chinn was of Loudoun County and given the deed you recite below, this seems to be the logical placement. Still you should try to weed out/rule out this other Christopher Chinn to be sure. Either way, welcome to the scandalous world of the Chinns and Balls. Craig On Nov 23, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > My search has led me to a Christopher CHINN who married 17 Dec 1779 > Montgomery Co, MD Ann BARTLETT. This may well be Nancy Anne BARTLETT, > daughter of my ancestor <snip> > > 1784 Loudoun Co, VA Deed by Christopher CHINN (s/o Elijah CHINN dec'd) &wife > Nancy of Ldn to John Peyton HARRISON of Fauquier... 250ac in Ldn and > Fauquier bequeathed to Elijah CHINN by brother Christopher CHINN dec'd, adj > Charles CHINN ...<snip> > > So my question is: is this Christopher CHINN the son of Elijah-3 CHINN > (Rawleigh-2, John-1)? It looks that way in our NN Tree, and I could then > add the BARTLETT link, based on the records above. <snip>

My search has led me to a Christopher CHINN who married 17 Dec 1779 Montgomery Co, MD Ann BARTLETT. This may well be Nancy Anne BARTLETT, daughter of my ancestor, Thomas BARTLETT c1733-1806 born in Richmond Co, VA; and in northern Fauquier Co 1769 to 1785. From the transcript of a Bible (now lost) we know that Nancy Anne BARTLETT was born 12 Jan 1764, the twin of Benjamin BARTLETT. This would mean she was 15, almost 16, at the time of the marriage. The fact that the marriage was in Montgomery Co, MD indicates to me that Christopher and Anne probably eloped (and probably Anne was pregnant). Eloping to MD was not uncommon. Marrying at 15/16 was not uncommon either - Anne's older brother, William, married Sarah HATHAWAY when she was about 15 or 16. 1784 Loudoun Co, VA Deed by Christopher CHINN (s/o Elijah CHINN dec'd) &wife Nancy of Ldn to John Peyton HARRISON of Fauquier... 250ac in Ldn and Fauquier bequeathed to Elijah CHINN by brother Christopher CHINN dec'd, adj Charles CHINN ... 1797 Fayette Co, KY Indenture: Thomas HALL and Anne HALL, his wife, late Anne CHINN, of Nelson Co, KY to Walker BAYLOR of Fayette Co .... Whereas Christopher CHINN died possessed of 500 ac of land in Fayette Co, part of George BRYAN's settlement and preemption, and Christopher CHINN did bequeath to his said wife Anne CHINN, now Anne HALL, 1/3 part of 350 ac of the said 500 ac ... etc. 1798 Harrison Co, VA; Deed Thomas BARTLETT to his daughter Anne HALL of Nelson Co, KY ... a negro woman named Abigail, then to her daughter Elizabeth HALL... [in the last decade of his life - 1796-1806 - Thomas BARTLETT deeded land and slaves to most of his children] So my question is: is this Christopher CHINN the son of Elijah-3 CHINN (Rawleigh-2, John-1)? It looks that way in our NN Tree, and I could then add the BARTLETT link, based on the records above. If so, I need to find some descendants to join our NN DNA Project... Thanks for any feedback Jim Bartlett

Craig, You've gotten into those troubling Oldhams again. Samuel Dishman was the gr. grandfather of Sarah Dishman who married Edward Oldham. Susan Subject: VA-NORTHERN-NECK Digest, Vol 4, Issue 189 > Westmoreland County, VA Deed & Will Book 7, p 21-22 13 Jun 1720. > Inquisition into death of Seatam Roges [?], servant to Simon Lutrell. The > jury was of ?opinion that he by all circumstances making homeward fell > down & was found dead which was the handiwork of God and not by an person > hurt.? Signed by William Geron [?], George Weedon, Thomas Hawkins, John > Shropshire, Nath?l Smith, Sam?l Dishman, Sr., Sam?l Dishman, Jr., Richard > Arrowsmith, John Dishman, Peter R[xxx], Jno: Edwards, Wm Edwards, Jas > Weedon, Trarence Conner [Tarence Conier] , Original Brown, Jno Cortney. > Sworn before Burditt Ashton 29 June 1720. Recorded 9 July 1720. > > My goodness. Westmoreland was a dangerous place to live at this time. In > most cases, people were moved and instigated by the Devil, but even God > himself has his "handiwork" this time. > > > Craig Kilby > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of VA-NORTHERN-NECK Digest, Vol 4, Issue 189 > ************************************************

Falling off a horse is one thing, but just falling over dead in the middle of the road is another. Immediately following the horse fall death of John Lovell, we learn: Westmoreland County, VA Deed & Will Book 7, p 21-22 13 Jun 1720. Inquisition into death of Seatam Roges [?], servant to Simon Lutrell. The jury was of “opinion that he by all circumstances making homeward fell down & was found dead which was the handiwork of God and not by an person hurt.” Signed by William Geron [?], George Weedon, Thomas Hawkins, John Shropshire, Nath’l Smith, Sam’l Dishman, Sr., Sam’l Dishman, Jr., Richard Arrowsmith, John Dishman, Peter R[xxx], Jno: Edwards, Wm Edwards, Jas Weedon, Trarence Conner [Tarence Conier] , Original Brown, Jno Cortney. Sworn before Burditt Ashton 29 June 1720. Recorded 9 July 1720. My goodness. Westmoreland was a dangerous place to live at this time. In most cases, people were moved and instigated by the Devil, but even God himself has his "handiwork" this time. Craig Kilby

Charlene, John Lovell's inventory was recorded in Westmoreland Deed & Will Book 7, p 71-72. Returned by ELIZABETH LOVELL. Made by Charles Ashton, William Rush and Joshua Hudson (all of these appraisers are in our NN tree on ancestry). Sworn to and returned 30 Nov 1720. Craig On Nov 21, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Tebel2888@aol.com wrote: > Because John Lovell was near Benjamin Berryman, he may well have been the father of Robert Lovell who m Sarah Marshall, dau of John "of the forest" Marshall and Elizabeth "Lizzy" Markham. Robert and Sarah even named their first son John. > > Charlene Reeds-Ebeling > > Sent from my iPad > > On Nov 21, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I've changed my mind on this man's name. It was not John SORRELL but John LOVELL. FWIW. Craig >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thats OK, Craig. You just got fixated on the horse. Charlie On 11/21/2012 2:17 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: I've changed my mind on this man's name. It was not John SORRELL but John LOVEL L. FWIW. Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [1]VA-NORTHERN-NECK-reque st@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject a nd the body of the message -- Charlie Weaver Winston-Salem, NC 336-765-9635 References 1. mailto:VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com

Because John Lovell was near Benjamin Berryman, he may well have been the father of Robert Lovell who m Sarah Marshall, dau of John "of the forest" Marshall and Elizabeth "Lizzy" Markham. Robert and Sarah even named their first son John. Charlene Reeds-Ebeling Sent from my iPad On Nov 21, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > I've changed my mind on this man's name. It was not John SORRELL but John LOVELL. FWIW. Craig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've changed my mind on this man's name. It was not John SORRELL but John LOVELL. FWIW. Craig

In Westmoreland County Deed Book 7, p. 21 is found the inquisition into the death of poor John Sorrell, returned by coroner Benjamin Berryman and the jury. On 29 March 1721, they found that: "the body of John Sorell lying dead in the road being first sworn & charged to say the truth according to the best of their knowledge and evidence appearing but what we find by circumstance we do find that the sd John Sorrell was riding along the road & the saddle or furniture going way and back did let & cause the sd John Sorell to fall from the horse so as by the sd fall he instantly died and being charged to enquire if the horse whereof he fell was the cause of his death we do find that the horse was not in the fault…” At least the horse survived and was not found guilty of murder. Craig Kilby

What a fantastic honor to two tireless ladies who do us all a wonderful service through their outstanding blogs. Congratulations to both. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Nov 15, 2012, at 2:30 PM, "Roberta Estes" <robertajestes@att.net> wrote: > For those who don't know, both Judy Russell and CeCe Moore have been honored > by Geneablog. This honor does not come lightly, and not only do these > ladies richly deserve this honor, but credible and professional blogs like > theirs help our industry as a whole. Here's a link to Judy's blog where she > tells about the awards: > > http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/11/15/honored/ > > Here's a link to CeCe's award winning blog as well. > > http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/ > > Congratulations ladies!! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marsha You are absolutely right, but I need to tweak your reasoning a little. Your own DNA is not "influenced" at all by your Mom's very independent contribution. Your Dad's DNA in you is not changed in any way by your Mom's. However, you only got half of your Dad's DNA, and of course he has all of it. So he would certainly get more matches on his side than you would. AND, it would get his DNA on file. Years from now, you may want to run an even better test on his DNA. FYI FTDNA just developed a whole genome DNA test for $6,000. The price is expected to drop to $1,000 in a few short years. When you've had that test, there ain't no more... Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Nov 15, 2012, at 11:53 AM, marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> wrote: > Gregg Bonner has been answering some DNA questions on the Harris Hunters mail list. And other subscribers have been chiming in. Go to the Rootsweb archives if you are interested in some of that discussion.....However, I wanted to share with our mail list the idea that the discussion caused to pop into my head this morning. For our Northern Neck FF group, it is possible that we should find the oldest representatives of our lines that we can find to do the FF test rather than ourselves if we are under 80. I am thinking about the possibility that my father's DNA might turn up matches that my FF would not turn up because my own DNA would be influenced by my mother's DNA which may or may not have connections to Northern Neck....What is your opinion on this? marsha moses > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gregg Bonner has been answering some DNA questions on the Harris Hunters mail list. And other subscribers have been chiming in. Go to the Rootsweb archives if you are interested in some of that discussion.....However, I wanted to share with our mail list the idea that the discussion caused to pop into my head this morning. For our Northern Neck FF group, it is possible that we should find the oldest representatives of our lines that we can find to do the FF test rather than ourselves if we are under 80. I am thinking about the possibility that my father's DNA might turn up matches that my FF would not turn up because my own DNA would be influenced by my mother's DNA which may or may not have connections to Northern Neck....What is your opinion on this? marsha moses

FYI to Tamara and anyone else with a Yahoo email account or AOL. These seem to be the two that get hacked all the time. You have to be careful what you click on like "sponsored links" or facebook is really bad with their games etc. Also be careful of both of their "messengers" and don't open or click on anything you don't recognize etc. The problem also is when these get out into lists like this Rootsweb list, people will click on the links and get hacked themselves. Then as happened in Tamara's case she got an email from a friend (probably also with a Yahoo account) and it just had a link and Tamara clicked on it. They often go to pharmacutical companies like in Canada or something. When in doubt you can copy/paste the link into your browser to see what it is before clicking on anything. Best remedy...... Change your password often and don't click on "just links". When you do get hacked - yes cleaning and running virus scans help always but just change your password. They have hacked your email account and that's how they got in. Janean -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tamara Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:52 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Being hacked through your email Hello List! Just a note to apologize to anyone that received a "hacked" email from me today. It's weird just how hackers are able to do that. I had received an email from a trusted source and my "virus scanner" did not pick up on it as it came with a link, not an attachment. Regardless, it was an intrusion on my email contact list and I want to warn you that it can happen to anyone.  I ran a deep scan and yes, the it did show up and has now been contained, but I wanted to give you a heads up not to go to any site (link) that you might have received from me yesterday or today. Just to be on the safe side. Again, my apologies to anyone that this has affected. My best, Tamara Mitchell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tamara, Thanks for spotting this so quickly and taking quick action on it. It is rare that a spam gets through to this particular rootsweb list, but if a user's email address book has been hijacked, there is no way it can know that. And yes, NEVER click on a link whose message is just "click here." URL links ARE allowed within an email. But if there is not context to them, DO NOT CLICK IT. Again, Tamara, thanks for your prompt action on this. Craig > Hello List! > > Just a note to apologize to anyone that received a "hacked" email from me today. It's weird just how hackers are able to do that. > > I had received an email from a trusted source and my "virus > scanner" did not pick up on it as it came with a link, not an attachment. Regardless, it was an intrusion on my email contact list and I want to warn you that it can happen to anyone. > > I ran a deep scan and yes, the it did show up and has now been contained, but I wanted to give you a heads up not to go to any site (link) that you might have received from me yesterday or today. Just to be on the safe side. > > Again, my apologies to anyone that this has affected. > > My best, > > Tamara Mitchell

Hello List! Just a note to apologize to anyone that received a "hacked" email from me today. It's weird just how hackers are able to do that. I had received an email from a trusted source and my "virus scanner" did not pick up on it as it came with a link, not an attachment. Regardless, it was an intrusion on my email contact list and I want to warn you that it can happen to anyone.  I ran a deep scan and yes, the it did show up and has now been contained, but I wanted to give you a heads up not to go to any site (link) that you might have received from me yesterday or today. Just to be on the safe side. Again, my apologies to anyone that this has affected. My best, Tamara Mitchell

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All, Karen Hart informs me that the publisher is John Vogt at New Papyrus Publishing Company in Athens, Georgia. Here is the link to the book site: http://genealogyresources.org/Northumberland.html John's web site includes ALL of the surnames to be found in the book, and a full description of the book, and how to order it. I should also warn that MOST entries are going to for 1800s and 1900s and 2000s. Yes, the MBW and other NN organizations will probably carry a stock as well. Craig