Yes, daughter of Daniel Field. All of this is on our NN tree on ancestry. Both Rush and Joshua were sons of Joshua Hudson and Elizabeth Rush. Craig On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Amanda Douglass wrote: > am interested in knowing if the below RUSH HUDSON deceased had a brother > JOSHUA HUDSON m. JOYCE FIELD?

I am interested in knowing if the below RUSH HUDSON deceased had a brother JOSHUA HUDSON m. JOYCE FIELD? I think JOYCE nee FIELD had brother HENRY FIELD m. ESTHER JAMES? I am 99% certain below JAMES STIGLER had wife MARTHA and were my 6xgreats. JAMES STIGLER died 1765 KGC and his wife MARTHA was DAR PATRIOT. JAMES STIGLER's grandson JAMES STIGLER m. MILDRED nee REEDS d/o SAMUEL REEDS and JAEL [SHIPPEY] UNDERWOOD. SAMUEL REEDS was grandson of SAMUEL REEDS whose 1703 estate had a BENJAMIN BERRYMAN who I believe was FATHER of below BENJAMIN BERRYMAN? I also think below THOMAS THATCHER was son by ELIZABETH UNDERWOOD and 1st husband SILVESTER THATCHER? Thank you, Amanda ================================ 1743-1753 King George County Deed Book 3 (Antient Press); pp. 504-8b Know all men .. We EDWARD TURBERVILLE, THOS. THATCHER, BENJA: BERRYMAN, ISAAC ARNOLD and NEALE McCORMACK .. are bound unto WILLIAM ROBINSON Gent. on behalf of ye Court of King George ..- in sum Six hundred pounds current money .. 7th November 1735. Condition .. if above bound Edward Turberville Administrar. of all ye goods & chattles & Credits of RUSH HUDSON Deceased do make true inventory of all goods chattles and credits of ye sd Deceased .. the same do Exhibit into ye County Court for King Geo: further make just & true account of his Actings & Doings therein .. and if it shall hereafter appear that any Last Will & Testament was made by ye sd Deceased .. and if Exr: or EXRS: therein named do exhibit same .. making request that it be recorded .. ye sd Edward Turberville being required to render & deliver up his letters of Administration .. this obligation to be void .. or else remain .. Presence Harry Turner E: Turbervile 7th Novemr. 1735 Thos. Thatcher Ordered to be recorded. Benja. Berryman Isaac Arnold Neal McCormack Know all men .. We WILLM. MUMFORD and JAMES STIGLER .. are bound unto WILLIAM ROBINSON Gent. .. on behalf of ye Court of King George .. in sum One hundred pounds current money .. 5th December 1735. Condition .. if William Mumford Administrator of ye goods chattles and credits of RICHD. PRICE Deceased .. do make perfect inventory of all goods chattles and credits of sd Deceased .. cause to be Exhibited in ye County Court of King George .. further do make a just & true account of his Actings & Doings therein .. deliver & pay unto such person or persons ...as ye said Justices shall direct .. if any Last Will & Testament was made by ye sd Deced & ye Executor or Executors therein named do exhibit same .. ye sd Willm. Mumford being therein required deliver up his Letter of Administration .. Then this obligation be void, else to remain .Presence Harry Turner William x Mumford 5th December 1735 James x Stigler Ordered to be recorded.

I would add that Gene Hawkins who is a participant in our NN family finder DNA project is a descendent Craig's Sarah Sherwood. Gene descends from Sarah Sherwood Rosser's daughter, Sarah Rosser Wood Willis Hudson Turberville that Craig mentions below. Gene descends through Sarah Sherwood Rosser's daughter, Sarah, who married Benjamin Hawkins. Other researchers tell me that the marriage took place in 1736 in King George County. However, Benjamin is said to have been born in Richmond County. Three of this couple's sons married women who carry a name very familiar in the NN: Bourne. The other son married a woman with surname Strother. Gene is my father's closest yDNA match for the Hawkins surname. marsha moses On Nov 26, 2012, at 12:52 AM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > The recent discussion on Thomas Marshall and his wife Martha Sherwood motivated me to add a LITTLE more meat to what I had previously for Phillip Sherwood. I had heretofore only entered his daughter, much married Sarah who married (1) Henry Wood (2) WIlliam Willis (3) Rush Hudson and (4) Edward Turberville. > > I have now added his three other daughters who were: > > a. Mary Sherwood who married Francis James (d. 1721, King George County), his first wife > b. Martha Sherwood who married Thomas Marshall, her first husband (d 1704, Westmoreland County). Her 2nd husband was Alexander Thompson. > c. Ann Sherwood who married James Dabney of King William County > > With respect to Martha, and all due apologies who entered her as Mary Jane Pendleton Marshall, I deleted the person named Mary Jane Pendleton Marshall and thankfully she was not shown with any parents or other data, and replaced her with Martha Sherwood, daughter of Phillip Sherwood. (I have no idea who or how anyone came up with the name of someone born about 1660 with two middle names. I seriously doubt there is ANY record of her with that name. Certainly in 1685 when she and her husband were involved in chancery suit with her siblings to settle the estate of Phillip Sherwood. If there is evidence to support such a name, I will glad change it back.) > > I have more to add on Phillip Sherwood and his daughter Sarah, who are my direct ancestors, but I will not be adding anything to the Marshall or James lines as there are undoubtedly more well-versed people than I here on this list who can do that. Ann (Sherwood) Dabney is the one I know the least about, and don't plan to do anything with her descendants either. > > Cheers! > Craig Kilby > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, The recent discussion on Thomas Marshall and his wife Martha Sherwood motivated me to add a LITTLE more meat to what I had previously for Phillip Sherwood. I had heretofore only entered his daughter, much married Sarah who married (1) Henry Wood (2) WIlliam Willis (3) Rush Hudson and (4) Edward Turberville. I have now added his three other daughters who were: a. Mary Sherwood who married Francis James (d. 1721, King George County), his first wife b. Martha Sherwood who married Thomas Marshall, her first husband (d 1704, Westmoreland County). Her 2nd husband was Alexander Thompson. c. Ann Sherwood who married James Dabney of King William County With respect to Martha, and all due apologies who entered her as Mary Jane Pendleton Marshall, I deleted the person named Mary Jane Pendleton Marshall and thankfully she was not shown with any parents or other data, and replaced her with Martha Sherwood, daughter of Phillip Sherwood. (I have no idea who or how anyone came up with the name of someone born about 1660 with two middle names. I seriously doubt there is ANY record of her with that name. Certainly in 1685 when she and her husband were involved in chancery suit with her siblings to settle the estate of Phillip Sherwood. If there is evidence to support such a name, I will glad change it back.) I have more to add on Phillip Sherwood and his daughter Sarah, who are my direct ancestors, but I will not be adding anything to the Marshall or James lines as there are undoubtedly more well-versed people than I here on this list who can do that. Ann (Sherwood) Dabney is the one I know the least about, and don't plan to do anything with her descendants either. Cheers! Craig Kilby

David and all, Posts go through automatically up to 25kb which is quite a lot of space to say something and say it well. If it goes over that, it comes to me for my attention for approval. If it is just over that limit, I'll send it on. If it way over that limit, I reject with the note to trim it down. This most happens when people are not deleting entire chains of messages that preceded it, or otherwise not deleting the irrelevant posts of the original message to which they are responding. I again remind people that the best thing to do is keep your messages to ONE topic and not jumble up your point by talking about umpteen different families or subjects all at one time. People's eyes will usually glaze over. I have the limit at 25kb for that reason (among others.) And while I'm at it (I may as well make this a monthly reminder): 1. If you change the subject, CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE. If something started off as, say, JOHN SMITH OF LANCASTER, d 1700 and John Smith's daughter married TINY TIM, and you want to talk about the TIM family, but want to reply to the JOHN SMITH OF LANCASTER message, change the subject line to TINY TIM & MARY SMITH or whatever. 2. PLEASE, when reply to a message, cut out EVERYTHING that is NOT relevant to your particular reply. Those of our members who are on Digest mode end up having to wade through the same messages over and over and over. And there are MANY of our subscribers who are on Digest mode. (If you don't know what Digest mode is, that is when you only get an email every so often, instead of one at a time. Every message that was submitted since the last digest is the next one. 3. For those of you on Digest mode. If you hit reply from any of the messages you will end up sending the entire digest with it. Worse, your subject line will only read "Volume X, No. #" Just copy the particular message you want to reply to, start a NEW email to this list and give it a new NAME (or even type in Re: Name of Original Subject) and paste in the part of the message you want to reply to, and add your own comments at the top of it. There, done with monthly reminds on this topic. Craig On Nov 25, 2012, at 12:49 AM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > Since there are so many space limitations on this List, it is impossible for me to delve into this with any specificity other than to refer you back to Mike Marshall's site (I shared that link in the previous message).

Yes, saw that yesterday posted on the Inn at Montross facebook page. Ironically, the very fine Inn at Montross isn't even mentioned. I was somewhat disappointed in the article, but as they say, "it's better to be talked about than not talked about at all." A little (al lot) heavy on Stratford Hall, but I didn't know they had the little hotel there. Knew about the cabins, but not the other rooms. (No mention of the fabulous DuPont Library there, or any of the other genealogical and historical society libraries, and most none of the museums--though the MBW MUSEUM got a plug.) Only mention of the many wineries is that he didn't go to them. Grrr. Historic Christ Church is only mentioned at the end in one sentence, with NO hot link to their web site. And I would dearly lovely know where all those wonderful federal brick homes are in the village of Lancaster. Huh? I wish he had at least included the link to the Northern Neck Tourism Council which has so much more information on ! all of these things. Craig On Nov 25, 2012, at 1:26 PM, genealogymck wrote: > The main feature in today's travel section is a lengthy article on the Northern Neck! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John--you are already subscribed as a member of the Northern Neck list. No, Surry and Sussex are not part of the Northern Neck group. There is a rootsweb list for Southside Virginia, however. Davis, huh? I did a huge Davis project several years ago but it did not originate from Essex County, so therefore I know very little about that group. It was an extremely diligent client that we got the line through King William County (gasp!) and back to the emigrant who was an "ancient planter" and was given land by the famous London merchant Micijah Perry of Perry & Lane, for whom he had apparently worked at some point before coming to Virginia. My point is that a name like Davis can be very difficult, as you no doubt know already. At least you have them back to Essex County. Regarding Mark Cullum, the record I mentioned in Westmoreland Deed & Will Book 7 (p 103) was his deed for 103 acres to Peter Bradshaw on Miller's Creek in Washington Parish, lease & release dated 25 & 26 September 1722. Are you able to connect to this Mark Cullum? Craig On Nov 25, 2012, at 12:16 PM, John Cullom Sr wrote: > Thanks Craig, I have several references for Cullu(o)m in Westmoreland Co. I’ll send them to you if you are interested, e.g., George Washington's father, Augustine, sold land to Mark Cullum in 1716, DB-6,pg 34-37. What do I have to do to become a member of the group? Surry & Sussex Co.s are not part of Northern Neck I guess. That’s where my branch of the tree originated. My interest in Essex is in Davis. I’ve reached a wall with Henry Davis (b 1805). Cullom is spelled many ways. You can substitute any vowel for the u & o & it still sounds right. John > ---------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Kilby > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 9:29 AM > To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Essex Co > > Good morning John. Yes, both Essex and Middlesex are included in this Northern Neck. Your surname is timely. I've been abstracting the heretofore unpublished Westmoreland County Deed & Will Book 7 and ran across this name which spelled CULLOM. This is for the period 1720-1722 though nearly all of 1721 is somehow missing, unless it shows up later in the book. am only through page 134 out of 400+. > > Would be delighted to have you on our list. We can't enough people from Maryland. > > Craig > On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:33 AM, John Cullom Sr wrote: > >> Good Morning Craig, Is Essex Co. part of the VA-Northern-Neck group? John Cullom, Westminster, MD. >> >> ------------------------------- >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Craig, I have several references for Cullu(o)m in Westmoreland Co. I’ll send them to you if you are interested, e.g., George Washington's father, Augustine, sold land to Mark Cullum in 1716, DB-6,pg 34-37. What do I have to do to become a member of the group? Surry & Sussex Co.s are not part of Northern Neck I guess. That’s where my branch of the tree originated. My interest in Essex is in Davis. I’ve reached a wall with Henry Davis (b 1805). Cullom is spelled many ways. You can substitute any vowel for the u & o & it still sounds right. John ---------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 9:29 AM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Essex Co Good morning John. Yes, both Essex and Middlesex are included in this Northern Neck. Your surname is timely. I've been abstracting the heretofore unpublished Westmoreland County Deed & Will Book 7 and ran across this name which spelled CULLOM. This is for the period 1720-1722 though nearly all of 1721 is somehow missing, unless it shows up later in the book. am only through page 134 out of 400+. Would be delighted to have you on our list. We can't enough people from Maryland. Craig On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:33 AM, John Cullom Sr wrote: > Good Morning Craig, Is Essex Co. part of the VA-Northern-Neck group? John Cullom, Westminster, MD. > > ------------------------------- >

Hi John, I am a member of Northern Neck because of my CLARKSON who lived in Essex County. Your message caught my attention because I am searching for the origins of my DAVIS -- I have a George W DAVIS located I Madison County KY in 1860. It has been suggested that his father might be Henry. The DAVIS marry into the Bentley family which does come from Essex Co. Just wondering where your DAVIS are living. Thanks for your time, Mary -----Original Message----- From: John Cullom Sr Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:16 AM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Essex Co Thanks Craig, I have several references for Cullu(o)m in Westmoreland Co. I’ll send them to you if you are interested, e.g., George Washington's father, Augustine, sold land to Mark Cullum in 1716, DB-6,pg 34-37. What do I have to do to become a member of the group? Surry & Sussex Co.s are not part of Northern Neck I guess. That’s where my branch of the tree originated. My interest in Essex is in Davis. I’ve reached a wall with Henry Davis (b 1805). Cullom is spelled many ways. You can substitute any vowel for the u & o & it still sounds right. John ---------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 9:29 AM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Essex Co Good morning John. Yes, both Essex and Middlesex are included in this Northern Neck. Your surname is timely. I've been abstracting the heretofore unpublished Westmoreland County Deed & Will Book 7 and ran across this name which spelled CULLOM. This is for the period 1720-1722 though nearly all of 1721 is somehow missing, unless it shows up later in the book. am only through page 134 out of 400+. Would be delighted to have you on our list. We can't enough people from Maryland. Craig On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:33 AM, John Cullom Sr wrote: > Good Morning Craig, Is Essex Co. part of the VA-Northern-Neck group? > John Cullom, Westminster, MD. > > ------------------------------- > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The main feature in today's travel section is a lengthy article on the Northern Neck!

Fred, I can't answer your question about the Thomas Marshall of Lancaster, and his will referenced in the 1707 Northern Neck Grant to two of his sons does not appear to be extant. Perhaps Mike Marshall's site will have some comments or conclusions about this family. I would say there could well have been two (or more) separate and distinct Marshall families in the Northern Neck. Even with the relatively rare surname of ASHTON there are two distinct lines in the Northern Neck, though it seems probably the two immigrants (John of Westmoreland and Charles of Northumberland) were brothers. I simply have not done any research into the Marshall family to be of any help here. However, as to your second question about the area where John Berry was Surveyor of roads in Lancaster, succeeding William Ball. From the looks of the two areas described in your email (copied below), on a modern map it would be bounded SOMETHING like this: Starting at Towles Point, then up the Rappahannock River to about Deep Creek area then inland from St. Mary's White Chapel Church to around the western branch of the Currotoman to the main Western branch then "south" to the main Currotoman River back down to the Rappahannock River. It definitely included the area between William Ball's Millenbeck planation near to Towles Point and extended as far north as St. Mary's White Chapel (built on land of David Fox). Don't get too hung up on the term "forest." Joseph Ball just called it his "forest plantation." Not even "THE" forest. There were of course forests all over the place so that term is not particularly meaningful except that is usually denotes inland property. With respect to the Berrys in general, I keep saying I am going to go through all the NN Berry records to see if I can determine the origins of my ancestor John Berry and his wife Jemima who appear in Culpeper County by 1770 and owning land next to a MARSHALL in 1774. I don't have a lot of data on this John Berry and that can be another thread here one day-- and if someone else wants to pick it up now and get it started, so much the better. I don't think the Berry family has have ever been fully traced to any great extent. Not sure how big of a headache a surname like that might become. I'm sure there are more knowledgable people on this list who can address your Marshall questions. Craig On Nov 25, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Fred Duncan wrote: > 1670-1674 Lancaster County Order Book; Antient Press: pg 202 > Lancaster County Court 13th of September 1671 > - Mr. WILL BALL JUNR., is appointed Surveyour for ye Highwayes for ye yere > ensueinge & his boundes are to bee from ye CHURCH to ye hither side of the > Runn in DEEPE BOTTOME, & from ye CHURCH to ye MILL of DAVYD FOX & for ye > doeing whereof all ye inhabitants from the late plantacon of Mr. JOHN > EDWARDS (deced) & ye plantacons of RICHD: MERRYMAN & JOHN BERREY & soe > upwards to ye further extent of his p:cincts are ordered to bee lyeable to > ye sde. Worke accordinge to Acte. JOHN MOTTs plantacon included in this > p:cinct > 1670-1674 Lancaster County Order Book; Antient Press: pg 235a > Lancaster County Court 11th of September 1672 > - Att this Court, Capt. WILLIAM BALL & Mr. DANIEL HARRISON are dischardged > from ye Office of Surveyour & Capt. FOX, Mr. THOMAS MARSHALL & GEORGE HEALE > are ordered to succeede them. Capt. FOX to bee Surveyour from ye CHURCH > upwards to DEEPE BOTTOM and to take all the houses from his owne upp alonge > RAPPAHANNOCK RIVER side to DEEPE CREEKE. Mr. MARSHALL to bee Surveyour of > ye High. Waies from DOMINEs upp to ye CHURCH & to take in all the Houses > alonge ye RAPPAHANNOCK RIVER side upp to Capt. FOXs, and downe to Major > DALEs & JOHN BERREYs, and GEORGE HALE to bee Surveyour of ye Highwayes from > ye CHURCH to Capt. FOXes MILL & to take in RICHARD PRICEs House and THOMAS > MARTYN & soe alonge that side of CORRATOMON RIVER and soe alonge to CHARLES > RANGER and aboute to ye sde. MILL.

Good morning John. Yes, both Essex and Middlesex are included in this Northern Neck. Your surname is timely. I've been abstracting the heretofore unpublished Westmoreland County Deed & Will Book 7 and ran across this name which spelled CULLOM. This is for the period 1720-1722 though nearly all of 1721 is somehow missing, unless it shows up later in the book. am only through page 134 out of 400+. Would be delighted to have you on our list. We can't enough people from Maryland. Craig On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:33 AM, John Cullom Sr wrote: > Good Morning Craig, Is Essex Co. part of the VA-Northern-Neck group? John Cullom, Westminster, MD. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David/Craig I'm interesting in John "of the forest" Marshall because his family married into the William McClanahan family. William McClanahan Sr being half brother to Blanchflower Duncan Sr, son of Henry, son of Peter Duncan of Nomini, Cople Parish, Westmoreland. However, Peter Duncan also had land extending near the Westmoreland/North Farnham Parish, Richmond Co, Va. line. From William McClanahan Will we know he owned land in the Hogg Island area of Richmond Co, Va. he purchased from the Morgan family and left to a grandson. Below is what appears to be a different Thomas Marshall with son John. Whether this land is "in the forest", I don't know, but if we look at his neighbor, John Berry, there's a general description of where he lived/owned land. Craig, perhaps you will know if this is "in the forest" in Lancaster. Next question is whether the Thomas Marshall of Westmoreland is related to Thomas Marshall of Lancaster ? Virginia Northern Neck Land Grants 1694-1742 by Gertrude E. Gray; Book 3 1703-1710 3-175: Thomas Marshall of Lancaster County, decd made survey of 131a in said Co. Cert of Clk of Scs office 18mar1685/6. Marshall died before obtained patent & by will 25 June 1686 gave land to his sons. John and Sackville equally divided. John & Sackvill Marshall 25nov last obtained warrent. Surv by Capt Wm Ball for 133-1/2acres in Lancaster County, Virginia. "Adj John Berry decd", above merryman's path. 31Oct 1707. Now for a later Thomas Marshall .....So, question is; who's son is this Thomas Marshall, who is obviously alive and kicking in 1710 but apparently dead by 1728 In Lancaster County, Virginia., Will Bk. 10, p.29--Estate of SACKFIELD MARSHALL Inventory recorded; 11 May 1710 Presented in Court by THOMAS MARSHALL AND ROBERT MARSHALL Lancaster County, Virginia. Will Bk. 12,p.59--Estate of THOMAS MARSHALL Administration Account by ROBERT MARSHALL dated--12 June 1728 Now, John Berry Title Berry, John. Publication 14 October 1665. Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Note Location: Lancaster County. Description: 350 acres on the west side of Corotoman River being part of a tract of land commonly known by the name of Powells Neck. Source: Land Office Patents No. 5, 1661-1666 (v.1 & 2 p.1-369), p. 491 (Reel 5). LANCASTER COUNTY DEEDS & WILLS 1661-1666; Antient Press; Page 253-254 THESE WRITINGS made & dated in the year of our Lord God 1662 upon the 10th day of Decemb: Witnesseth that I JANE CLAPPHAM do acknowledge that my Hus254 band has sold to JOHN BERRY a p:cel or tract of land in COROTOMON RIVER comonly called HONEY POINT giveing himselfe the same power my Husband has given him the sd JOHN BERRY to have & to hold the sd land to him & his heirs forever binding my selfe by these psents not to trouble nor molest the sd BERRY for any part or p:cel of the sd land abovemenconed either for me or in my name or any one forme either to demand or sue in any Law or in any way to recover either part or p:cel of the same In Testimony whereto I have set my hand this day & date above written THOMAS COGGAN JANE CLAPPAM JOHN HALLETT Recognit in Cur Com Lancr: 28d Jan: Ano: 1662 et recordat primo Febru: sequen p EDWD. DALE, CI Cur 1666-1669 Lancaster County Order Book; {Antient Press}: pg 133 Lancaster County Court 26th of January 1669/70 - JOHN BERREY relinquisheing his Right to ye Executorship of JO: NICHOLS (deced), his Will, a P:bate thereof is granted unto STEPHEN CHILTON accordinge to ye tenor of ye sde, Will. Mr, GEO: FLOWER & NICH: GEORGE are ordered to apprize ye sde. Estate & to bee sworne by ye nexte Justice, An Inven:rie thereof to bee exhibited to ye nexte Cort. PS: Nicholas George married relict of John Bayley and the McClanahan family also had a Bayley connection. Whether a clue, I don't know. 1670-1674 Lancaster County Order Book; Antient Press: pg 202 Lancaster County Court 13th of September 1671 - Mr. WILL BALL JUNR., is appointed Surveyour for ye Highwayes for ye yere ensueinge & his boundes are to bee from ye CHURCH to ye hither side of the Runn in DEEPE BOTTOME, & from ye CHURCH to ye MILL of DAVYD FOX & for ye doeing whereof all ye inhabitants from the late plantacon of Mr. JOHN EDWARDS (deced) & ye plantacons of RICHD: MERRYMAN & JOHN BERREY & soe upwards to ye further extent of his p:cincts are ordered to bee lyeable to ye sde. Worke accordinge to Acte. JOHN MOTTs plantacon included in this p:cinct 1670-1674 Lancaster County Order Book; Antient Press: pg 235a Lancaster County Court 11th of September 1672 - Att this Court, Capt. WILLIAM BALL & Mr. DANIEL HARRISON are dischardged from ye Office of Surveyour & Capt. FOX, Mr. THOMAS MARSHALL & GEORGE HEALE are ordered to succeede them. Capt. FOX to bee Surveyour from ye CHURCH upwards to DEEPE BOTTOM and to take all the houses from his owne upp alonge RAPPAHANNOCK RIVER side to DEEPE CREEKE. Mr. MARSHALL to bee Surveyour of ye High. Waies from DOMINEs upp to ye CHURCH & to take in all the Houses alonge ye RAPPAHANNOCK RIVER side upp to Capt. FOXs, and downe to Major DALEs & JOHN BERREYs, and GEORGE HALE to bee Surveyour of ye Highwayes from ye CHURCH to Capt. FOXes MILL & to take in RICHARD PRICEs House and THOMAS MARTYN & soe alonge that side of CORRATOMON RIVER and soe alonge to CHARLES RANGER and aboute to ye sde. MILL. -- Fred Duncan

Hi Fred, Thanks for posting this information.   It's funny you mention the McClanahans as I was recently contacted by a descendant of the McClanahan/Marshall marriage who happens to be a DNA match for me on FamilyTreeDNA.    Anyway, I don't know if the Lancaster Co., VA Marshalls are connected with the Westmoreland Co., VA Marshalls.   However, I did run across something very interesting.  I found the Marshalls in Lancaster Co., VA mentioned with a Francis Wright as follows: The following was excerpted from Mike Marshall's Rootsweb site at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I22519 BEGIN 1670-1674 Lancaster County Order Book; Antient Press: pg 245-246 Lancaster County Court 12th of November 1672 The County of Lancaster beinge indebted in the iuste quantity of 23287 lb. of tobaccoe have ordered yt, a Leveye of 50 lb. of tob: p poi: bee raised upon the sevall p:sons hereafter men coned by the Sheriffe of this County & by hym paide to the sevall: p ;sons hereafter men coned accordinge to order hereafter exprest (vizt.) Mr. THOMAS MARSHALL 4 JOHN BERREY 1 RICHD. MARSHALL 2 FRANCIS WRIGHT 1 END In Westmoreland Co., VA, Thomas Marshall who died 1704 purchased land from a Francis Wright (see "mention" of that deed below).  Is this the same Francis Wright mentioned in Lancaster Co., VA? The following was excerpted from Mike Marshall's Rootsweb site at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I04768 BEGIN WESTMORELAND COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEEDS & WILLS. No. 8. Part 1; 1723-1738 {Antient Press}: pp 92 THIS INDENTURE made the 23d day of October in ye first year of ye Reign of our Sovereign Lord George ye 2d., by ye grace of God of Great Birttain France & Ireland. King Defender of the faith &c., And in ye year of our Lord God one thousand seven hundred & twenty seven. Between WILLIAM MARSHALL of ye County of KING and QUEEN in ye Colony of Virginia. Planter, of the one part and JOHN MARSHALL of ye County of Westmoreland in Virginia of the other part; Witnesseth that WILLIAM MARSHALL in consideration of ye sum of five shillings Sterling money of England to him in hand paid, ye receipt whereof he doth hereby acknowledge, hath and doth hereby bargain and sell unto JOHN MARSHALL his heirs all that tract of land (except ye parsell of Land wch: was sold out of it to MICHAEL HULBURT) scituate in Westmoreland County in Washington Parish on or near APPAMATOX CREEK & being part of a tract of land containing 1200 acres formerly granted to JNO: WASHINGTON &THO: POPE. Gent. by Patent dated the 4th September 1661. & by them lost for want of Seating & since granted to Coll. NICHOLAS SPENCER by Order Genii. Court dated September ye 21st 1668 & by ye sd. SPENCER assigned to ye sd JNO: WASHINGTON ye 9th of October 1669, which sd, two hundred acres was conveyed & sold to THOMAS MARSHALL by FRANCIS WRIGHT & afterwards acknowledged in Court by JOHN WRIGHT ye 28th day of May 1707, which two hundred acres of land be ye same more or less and bounded, Begining at a black Oak standing in ye Southermost line of ye sd. 1200 acres & being a corner tree of a line that divideth this two hundred acres from 100 acres of MICHAEL HULBARTs, extending along ye said Southermost line West two hundred poles to a marked red Oak, thence North 160 poles to another marked red Oak, thence East 200 poles to a black Oak of ye sd. HALBARTs finally by ye sd. HALBARTs to ye place it began, with all houses & all other things thereunto belonging: with the rents issues and profits thereof; To have and to hold the land & premises unto JOHN MARSHALL his heirs during the term of six month that by vertue thereof and of the Statute for transferring uses into possession, JOHN MARSHALL may be in the actual possession of the premises & might be enabled to take a release of the same to him his heirs, In Witness whereof the parties to these present Indentures interchangeably have set hands & seals ye day & year first above written Sealed and dd. in sight & presence of FRANCIS LACON, JANE LACON, WM: MARSHALL THOMAS THOMPSON Westmoreld. ss. At a Court held for the sd. County the 27th day of March 1728 WILLIAM MARSHALL personally acknowledged this Lease of Land by him passed to JOHN MARSHALL to be his proper act and ded, which at the instance of the sd, JOHN MARSHALL is admitted to Record Test G. TURBF_RVILE, C. C. W. Recorded the 29th day of March 1728 pr. G. T. C. C. W. END Don't know if we are talking the same Francis Wright, but interesting to see this name mentioned with both the Lancaster and Westmoreland Marshalls!  I think Halbert may also be connected with both locations as well, but not sure. Thanks! David

Good Morning Craig, Is Essex Co. part of the VA-Northern-Neck group? John Cullom, Westminster, MD.

David, This makes a nice story except it doesn't hold much water. Two things stand out (1) land "in the forest" was inland and not nearly as swampy as land along the river. Depends of course on WHERE inland it was. Nomini Forest could be both inland and on swampy water. (2) Over in Lancaster, Joseph-2 Ball was seated in "the Forest" (now called Epping Forest) and he was certainly not someone who would have been called such a thing in preparative manner. Craig On Nov 24, 2012, at 2:48 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > John Marshall's parents were typical of many young couples in colonial America. His paternal ancestors were Welsh artisans who came to Virginia sometime in the late seventeenth or early eighteenth century. His father was the son of another John Marshall, a small planter who struggled to make a living on two hundred acres of low, marshy land cut from the wilderness along a minor tributary of the Potomac. That John Marshall was known to his prosperous neighbors as "John of the forest," a pejorative term used by tidewater aristocracy to describe someone less affluent who lived in the woods

Craig, I never said the term was pejorative.  I was merely quoting from an article (and I provided the website in my post).   You will have to take up your disagreement with the author of the article. David ________________________________ From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net>; va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Marshall David, This makes a nice story except it doesn't hold much water. Two things stand out (1) land "in the forest" was inland and not nearly as swampy as land along the river. Depends of course on WHERE inland it was. Nomini Forest could be both inland and on swampy water. (2) Over in Lancaster, Joseph-2 Ball was seated in "the Forest" (now called Epping Forest) and he was certainly not someone who would have been called such a thing in preparative manner.  Craig On Nov 24, 2012, at 2:48 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: John Marshall's parents were typical of many young couples in colonial America. His paternal ancestors were Welsh artisans who came to Virginia sometime in the late seventeenth or early eighteenth century. His father was the son of another John Marshall, a small planter who struggled to make a living on two hundred acres of low, marshy land cut from the wilderness along a minor tributary of the Potomac. That John Marshall was known to his prosperous neighbors as "John of the forest," a pejorative term used by tidewater aristocracy to describe someone less affluent who lived in the woods

You're welcome Marsha.   I shared the Washington Post article as it shows the connection between John Marshall "of the forest" and Chief Justice John Marshall (i.e., this helps answer who "John Marshall of the forest" is). Keep in mind that the author of that article thought "of the forest" was a pejorative term.  I completely disagree with that opinion as it is clear "of the forest" was merely descriptive of the area where John Marshall "of the forest" actually lived.   Since there are so many space limitations on this List, it is impossible for me to delve into this with any specificity other than to refer you back to Mike Marshall's site (I shared that link in the previous message).   If you study Mike's carefully researched information, you will see that the area where John Marshall "of the forest" owned land was actually called "The Forest" at one time in the earlier records.    Overall, I wouldn't get too caught up with this term "of the forest."  It was descriptive and not pejorative at all.   The important take-away is that John Marshall "of the forest" was the son of Thomas Marshall and Martha Sherwood and that he was the grandfather of Chief Justice John Marshall.   Thanks. David ________________________________ From: marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Marshall Thank you, David for taking the time to respond to my question. I am getting a much better understanding of this family....it was very helpful to explain that "of the forest" was descriptive of not being "of a more prosperous plantation".  Thank you for your help.  marsha moses On Nov 24, 2012, at 2:48 PM, DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> wrote: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/johnmarshall.htm  John Marshall's parents were typical of many young couples in colonial America. His paternal ancestors were Welsh artisans who came to Virginia sometime in the late seventeenth or early eighteenth century. His father was the son of another John Marshall, a small planter who struggled to make a living on two hundred acres of low, marshy land cut from the wilderness along a minor tributary of the Potomac. That John Marshall was known to his prosperous neighbors as "John of the forest," a pejorative term used by tidewater aristocracy to describe someone less affluent who lived in the woods.(9) In In 1722 he married Elizabeth Markham, the younger daughter of a prosperous merchant from Alexandria, Virginia,(10) and together they had six children, Thomas being the eldest. Nothing definite is known about the parents of "John of the forest," and all efforts to chart the chief justice's paternal heritage beyond the second generation have ended in genealogical > quicksand. Marshall himself never traced his parentage beyond his grandfather.(11)

Marsha, I will attempt to answer your question as best I can due to space limitations.   John Marshall "of the forest" was the son of Thomas Marshall (died 1704 in Westmoreland Co., VA) and Martha Sherwood as proved by the following: Westmoreland Co., Va. By indentures dated 23 and 24 October 1727, William Marshall, planter, of King and Queen County and Elizabeth his wife, conveyed to his brother John Marshall the 200 acre plantation in Washington Parish, Westmoreland County, which had been bequeathed to the grantor by the will of their father, Thomas Marshall, dec'd, and acknowledged in court by John Wright on 28 May 1707 to the said Thomas Marshall and his heirs. Probate: 31 MAY 1704 Westmoreland County, Virginia We believe John Marshall "of the forest" also had sisters Mary who married John Piper and Sarah who married Robert Frank, Jr. (I believe I'm a descendant of Sarah Marshall & Robert Frank, Jr. although still looking for better documentation to support my theory).  John Marshall "of the forest," is mentioned in the following excerpt from a biography of his grandson, Chief Justice John Marshall: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/johnmarshall.htm John Marshall's parents were typical of many young couples in colonial America. His paternal ancestors were Welsh artisans who came to Virginia sometime in the late seventeenth or early eighteenth century. His father was the son of another John Marshall, a small planter who struggled to make a living on two hundred acres of low, marshy land cut from the wilderness along a minor tributary of the Potomac. That John Marshall was known to his prosperous neighbors as "John of the forest," a pejorative term used by tidewater aristocracy to describe someone less affluent who lived in the woods.(9) In In 1722 he married Elizabeth Markham, the younger daughter of a prosperous merchant from Alexandria, Virginia,(10) and together they had six children, Thomas being the eldest. Nothing definite is known about the parents of "John of the forest," and all efforts to chart the chief justice's paternal heritage beyond the second generation have ended in genealogical quicksand. Marshall himself never traced his parentage beyond his grandfather.(11) You can also refer to Mike Marshall's site for more information: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I04768 ________________________________ From: marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Marshall Who is John "of the Forest" Marshall and Elizabeth "Lizzy" Markham? 

And also, when and were are we supposed to be? Sounds like Westmoreland County since is where the John Lovell inquisition was. If so, "The Forest" would probably denote Nomini Forest. Just a guess. Maybe Charlene can be more specific. On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:00 PM, marsha moses wrote: > Who is John "of the Forest" Marshall and Elizabeth "Lizzy" Markham? > > > On Nov 21, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Tebel2888@aol.com <tebel2888@aol.com> wrote: > >> Because John Lovell was near Benjamin Berryman, he may well have been the father of Robert Lovell who m Sarah Marshall, dau of John "of the forest" Marshall and Elizabeth "Lizzy" Markham. Robert and Sarah even named their first son John. >> >> Charlene Reeds-Ebeling >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message