Craig,   Thanks for the e-mails and clarification on Phillip Sherwood's daughter Sarah.   As for Rozier/Rosser, let's just disregard Rozier and go with Rosser.  I pulled this record from Mike's Rootsweb site:   BEGIN WESTMORELAND COUNTY, VIRGINIA ORDER BOOK, 1707-1709 {Antient Press}: pg 2 Westmoreland County Court 26th of October 1709 - CHANCELLOR &c v REDMAN &c. Upon the Petition of THOMAS CHANCELLOR and KATHERINE his Wife, it is ordered that FRANCIS REDMAN (who intermarred with ELIZABETH Relict and Executrix of BRIDGES ROSSER, late deced.), be summoned to the next Court to be held for this county to answer the same END     This Francis Redman is apparently a "kinsman" of the Lovells.   John "of the Forest" Marshall (another son of Thomas who died 1704) had a daughter who married into the Lovell family.  It would be great to figure out who this Elizabeth really is.   I feel like Mike may be correct that this Elizabeth who married Bridges Rosser and Francis Redman may have been another daughter of Thomas Marshall.   But, then again, perhaps she really is the Elizabeth Rosser, daughter of David Rosser & Sarah Sherwood.   Thanks. David   From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net>; Northern Neck Northern Neck List <VA-NORTHERN-NECK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] SHERWOOD/MARSHALL/JAMES/ROSSER David, First, Rozier and Rosser are not to be confused, at least in this case. Davis ROSSER was indentured in Bristol, England and sent to Virginia for 4 years servitude in 1676. He died in 1698 leaving four daughters and a widow Margaret (his 2nd wife, but not the mother of his four children). Margaret married as her 2nd husband Francis James, who had been married to Mary Sherwood. It's a tight family. As you know, another of Philip Sherwoods daughters was Martha Sherwood who maried Thomas Marshall, her first husband. Elizabeth Rosser would have been Thomas Marshall's niece--daughter of David Rosser and Sarah Sherwood. I don't know where Mike Marshall came up with the conclusion that Elizabeth Rosser married Bridges Rozier/Rosser. Rozier is a legitimate surname but it is not ROSSER, which is English. Rozier was French Huguenot. I do not know who Elizabeth Rosser married. I only know she and her Rosser siblings were all minor in 1698 when guardianship of them (Elizabeth, Sarah, David and Mary Rosser) was given to Francis James and his wife Mary (Sherwood).

Janean. No. Just trying to keep our herd of sheep in the corral, that's all. If we let these sheep wander all over the United States, this list would be worth nothing. It has to have a focus, and that is where it needs to stay. Otherwise it would be useless piece of blather. Craig Janean Ray wrote: > Next time I'll write to people privately so I don't get slapped on the hand > publicly for trying to help. You really do like to call people out...>

There were many Chinn's in Kentucky which prompted my Wilson lines to go there as their mother was Elizabeth Chinn daughter of Rawleigh Chinn and Fanny Tarpley. All of Elizabeth and John Wilson's kids went to either Kentucky or White Co. IL and one that was in Kentucky married into the Blue family from Berkeley Co. Janean -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:15 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Christopher Chinn Janean Thanks very much. I'll be glad to sift, and then I'll add it to the tree with the link to my BARTLETT line.

"Janean, you know I love you. i really do. And many thanks for all you have contributed here. BUT....here is "my deal" so to speak.....everyone would be much better served tif they would limit posts and replies to ONE family at at time, or one topic at time. That was my point. It was not personal. Nothing I say here is personal. NOTHING. Everything I say here is to keep the list humming along and interesting to the group AS A WHOLE. That's all. I again urge all of us to post a message that is to the point, on piont, and on one topic at one time. If this is not clear, I will try some other way to explain it. All advice welcome. Craig

Janean Thanks very much. I'll be glad to sift, and then I'll add it to the tree with the link to my BARTLETT line. As I indicated with two of the guardianship records, the Christopher CHINN that married Ann BARTLETT had to be born in 1760 or 61. Note that Ann would have been living with her father on Thomas's plantation in northeastern Fauquier Co (near the Loudoun Co line), and she was still 15 when she and Christopher married in Montgomery Co. It seems pretty clear to me that they eloped - several of her older siblings were married in Fauquier Co. I'd also bet that she was pregnant (she is shown in various Trees with 3 CHINN children before she was 21 and Christopher died). Note that Christopher was probably 19 or 20 when they married, and 3 months later he chose Thomas BARTLETT as his guardian. This part of the story fits together as a very tight package. It's also clear to me that Ann inherited land in KY from Christopher, that he got from his father Elijah. So I'm pretty sure we have the correct Ann and the correct Christopher. Christopher and Ann sold their land in Loudoun Co in 1784. I think in preparation to move west with many others making the same plans near the end of the RevWar. Thomas BARTLETT and most of his family moved to Harrison Co, VA in 1784/85. I think some of Christopher CHINN's kinfolk also moved to KY around that time. Records of their sellout in Loudoun, and appearance in KY would tie this part of the story together, too. Then I've got to determine which of several Thomas HALLs Ann married after Christopher died. He was an 1833 Pensioner in Montgomery Co, KY, and he's listed as a DAR Patriot - so maybe some good records there - at least one line of descent (for my DNA net) Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:02 PM, "Janean Ray" <jray38@neo.rr.com> wrote: > I found a family tree done from Thomas Chinn 1642 down 10 generations given > to me probably 10 years ago and I know this is no help without sources but > they list Elijah's son Christopher Columbus Chinn b. 1745 in Shelbourne, > Loudoun Co. m. Ann Nancy Bartlett who d. October 20, 1878 m. Dec. 17, 1779 > in Montgomery Co. MD. > > I don't know if what all I have is regarding the same Christopher but I will > send you what I find and you can decipher it for yourself. It's all I can > do to research my own and figure out who is who. I'll just send you what I > have and you do with it what you want. > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:53 PM > To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Help with a bastard CHINN > > Craig and Janean > > Actually, in this case the trip to KY is important. If "my" Christopher > CHINN did not go to and die in KY, I have a hard time with this story (21 > year old widow with 3 children, going from Loudoun Co, VA to KY - she'd have > been better off following her father to Harrison Co, VA. There's a 10 year > gap - from 1786 when Christopher died; until 1796 when Ann is named as the > wife of Thomas HALL. There are several records for Thomas HALL indicating he > was in the area of Boobesborough, now KY from the beginning of the RevWar - > somehow he met and married the widow Anne CHINN... > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Now see how much someone can pack into a 25k message, and wander way off > message? <G> Janean, we've already established that Jim needs to make sure > which of the Christopher Chinns of that generation are his, and the evidence > so far clearly points to Elijah. Don't know that all this wandering off into > Kentucky, Peytons and Powells was particulary useful. But, as I said, 25K is > a LOT of space to say a lot. >> Craig > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2629/5420 - Release Date: 11/26/12 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found a family tree done from Thomas Chinn 1642 down 10 generations given to me probably 10 years ago and I know this is no help without sources but they list Elijah's son Christopher Columbus Chinn b. 1745 in Shelbourne, Loudoun Co. m. Ann Nancy Bartlett who d. October 20, 1878 m. Dec. 17, 1779 in Montgomery Co. MD. I don't know if what all I have is regarding the same Christopher but I will send you what I find and you can decipher it for yourself. It's all I can do to research my own and figure out who is who. I'll just send you what I have and you do with it what you want. Janean -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:53 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Help with a bastard CHINN Craig and Janean Actually, in this case the trip to KY is important. If "my" Christopher CHINN did not go to and die in KY, I have a hard time with this story (21 year old widow with 3 children, going from Loudoun Co, VA to KY - she'd have been better off following her father to Harrison Co, VA. There's a 10 year gap - from 1786 when Christopher died; until 1796 when Ann is named as the wife of Thomas HALL. There are several records for Thomas HALL indicating he was in the area of Boobesborough, now KY from the beginning of the RevWar - somehow he met and married the widow Anne CHINN... Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > Now see how much someone can pack into a 25k message, and wander way off message? <G> Janean, we've already established that Jim needs to make sure which of the Christopher Chinns of that generation are his, and the evidence so far clearly points to Elijah. Don't know that all this wandering off into Kentucky, Peytons and Powells was particulary useful. But, as I said, 25K is a LOT of space to say a lot. > Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2629/5420 - Release Date: 11/26/12

Craig and Janean Actually, in this case the trip to KY is important. If "my" Christopher CHINN did not go to and die in KY, I have a hard time with this story (21 year old widow with 3 children, going from Loudoun Co, VA to KY - she'd have been better off following her father to Harrison Co, VA. There's a 10 year gap - from 1786 when Christopher died; until 1796 when Ann is named as the wife of Thomas HALL. There are several records for Thomas HALL indicating he was in the area of Boobesborough, now KY from the beginning of the RevWar - somehow he met and married the widow Anne CHINN... Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > Now see how much someone can pack into a 25k message, and wander way off message? <G> Janean, we've already established that Jim needs to make sure which of the Christopher Chinns of that generation are his, and the evidence so far clearly points to Elijah. Don't know that all this wandering off into Kentucky, Peytons and Powells was particulary useful. But, as I said, 25K is a LOT of space to say a lot. > Craig

Next time I'll write to people privately so I don't get slapped on the hand publically for trying to help. You really do like to call people out geez One of his questions was something to the effect of the distance between and relationships of Loudoun Co. Va and Kentucky, in part, questioning whether or not this could be the same family etc. (don't have it in front of me right now) I feel that any tiny tidbit that can put a connection together on families separated by distance as these were, helps. Just relying on the magical documents to drop down out of the sky to connect these people doesn't always happen. I was merely trying to show that Rawleigh gave his sons property in Loudoun and that Charles and family and brothers moved to Kentucky thereby answering his question as to why Kentucky from Loudoun Co. One of the people he mentioned in his query was a John Peyton Harrison which is why I mentioned those people showing another connection to Loudoun Co. Chinns. Mentioning these other Chinns etc in Kentucky were only to help him establish he is on the right track and has the right families and showing they too came from Loudoun Co. and possibly sometimes having information like I gave, will often strike a cord when reading a document say IN Kentucky and you say WAIT.... I just read that name the other day. Again, sorry it was so long and full of inconsequential information not directly relevant to Christopher but people will never find what they are looking for waiting for that one piece of info to drop out of the sky. Sometimes you must back that train up and start the trip all over again. I know these Chinns in Loudoun Co like the back of my hand. I will take all further communications about this off list. This is why people don't participate on the list as you once asked about. No one likes being laughed at and made fun of. I was only trying to help. Had I continued on with several emails I can see bringing to my attention off list but that was my first post on it, including a little <grin> didn't help. Sorry I'm in a rough mood tonight. It hurt my feelings. I try to do what I can - I don't have the resources and spend all my time doing genealogy and have the books and documents you all have. If I had a simple answer to his question I would have said so. I'm sitting here on my couch going through folders and reading page after page of stuff to see if I can find him the answer he is looking for I walk in and see this. It makes me want to throw the whole thing back in the drawer and say screw it. This is what happens when I try to help. So I'll just be quiet.

The minute I saw Craig's message I knew your feelings would be hurt. How unnecessary. I read every word of your message -- not because I have any CHINN'S but because my HODGES and BENTLEY came from VA and end up in Madison County KY. Jesse HODGES was a soldier from Goochland during the Revolutionary War at Ft. Boonesbough. -----Original Message----- From: Janean Ray Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:47 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Help with a bastard CHINN Next time I'll write to people privately so I don't get slapped on the hand publically for trying to help. You really do like to call people out geez One of his questions was something to the effect of the distance between and relationships of Loudoun Co. Va and Kentucky, in part, questioning whether or not this could be the same family etc. (don't have it in front of me right now) I feel that any tiny tidbit that can put a connection together on families separated by distance as these were, helps. Just relying on the magical documents to drop down out of the sky to connect these people doesn't always happen. I was merely trying to show that Rawleigh gave his sons property in Loudoun and that Charles and family and brothers moved to Kentucky thereby answering his question as to why Kentucky from Loudoun Co. One of the people he mentioned in his query was a John Peyton Harrison which is why I mentioned those people showing another connection to Loudoun Co. Chinns. Mentioning these other Chinns etc in Kentucky were only to help him establish he is on the right track and has the right families and showing they too came from Loudoun Co. and possibly sometimes having information like I gave, will often strike a cord when reading a document say IN Kentucky and you say WAIT.... I just read that name the other day. Again, sorry it was so long and full of inconsequential information not directly relevant to Christopher but people will never find what they are looking for waiting for that one piece of info to drop out of the sky. Sometimes you must back that train up and start the trip all over again. I know these Chinns in Loudoun Co like the back of my hand. I will take all further communications about this off list. This is why people don't participate on the list as you once asked about. No one likes being laughed at and made fun of. I was only trying to help. Had I continued on with several emails I can see bringing to my attention off list but that was my first post on it, including a little <grin> didn't help. Sorry I'm in a rough mood tonight. It hurt my feelings. I try to do what I can - I don't have the resources and spend all my time doing genealogy and have the books and documents you all have. If I had a simple answer to his question I would have said so. I'm sitting here on my couch going through folders and reading page after page of stuff to see if I can find him the answer he is looking for I walk in and see this. It makes me want to throw the whole thing back in the drawer and say screw it. This is what happens when I try to help. So I'll just be quiet. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, Thank you for doing this. We will now have a direct link to FAQ for the various components of the NN research group. I look forward to working with you on that. It might be helpful to explain what the difference between the new message board and this rootsweb list (both owned by ancestry.com, by the way, sorta kinda). Craig On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > > Please visit, and bookmark: > > [1]http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.norther > nneck/1/mb.ashx > > This first message should be self explanatory. > > This Board is intended for items that should be preserved in an easy to > reference fashion, including the rules for our various companion sites, > which can be edited as necessary. > > I haven't figured out how yet, but it would be good to link that board to > this Email list, so that anything posted will be echoed here. > > Enjoy, > > Jim Bartlett > > References > > 1. http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.northernneck/1/mb.ashx > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Now see how much someone can pack into a 25k message, and wander way off message? <G> Janean, we've already established that Jim needs to make sure which of the Christopher Chinns of that generation are his, and the evidence so far clearly points to Elijah. Don't know that all this wandering off into Kentucky, Peytons and Powells was particulary useful. But, as I said, 25K is a LOT of space to say a lot. Craig On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > Jim let me do some research and make some inquiries of Christopher and > Elijah's descendants. > > I think you might be a generation off, but maybe not. > > Rawleigh and Margaret had Charles, Elijah and Christopher. I think this > Original Elijah died c. 1771 if memory serves. I have more information at > home than here at work. I also have many emails etc saved that I never got > logged in because it wasn't my direct line but I did an enormous amount of > work on these lines. > > Charles had a son Elijah > Elijah had a son Elijah etc etc. so It's going to be confusing. > > First person I can recommend to you is Pat Duncan and I understand in just > talking to her that you two have spoken before. She is major > researcher/transcriber of all things Loudoun/Fauquier and has published many > many books and has been my go to person for 15 years on the Chinn family > because she has transcribed it all. GenNutLdn@msn.com > > Secondly after Rawleigh (my grandfather) got done with Easter and took up > with Margaret... He bought land in Loudoun Co for his sons and gave them 500 > acres each. Joseph started what is now the Red Fox Inn (Chinns Ordinary) in > Middleburg. Thomas (my grandfather) built some tennet homes in Middleburg > in which his son Thomas moved in which is now the Carter House and Waverly > or (Piedmont Vineyards). > > Charles and Scythia (Davis) built their home Bittersweet as it's now called, > and is still standing and privately owned (I have pictures of it) in > Fauquier Co. Anyway, Charles DID in fact buy land in Kentucky, and if > fact left to his son, Elijah to have 500a in Nelson Co. KY. > > Scythia died in Bourbon Co. Kentucky, after the death of her husband Charles > in 1788. She died in 1824, was in KY before the 1810 census along with most > of her children. They settled in the Paris KY area, her estate was sold at > the home of her son, Joseph Chinn who lived about 8 miles from Paris on the > Lexington-Cynthiana Rd. 2 1/2 mi from Centerville, KY. > > This is from Fauquier Will Book Abstracts by Dee Ann Buck: > CHINN, CHARLES--Will--13 May 1787,25 Feb 1788, Son: Charles to have my > silver watch, various named household items & stock animals & 50 pounds, > Son: Christopher to have slaves: Chris & Larry & 25 shillings, Son: Elijah > to have 500a in Nelson Co. KY, Children: Rawleigh, John, Wm. Bail, Joseph, > Margaret, Betty, Suckey, Nancy each to received named household items & > stock animals & 50 pounds, Sons: Charles, Rawleigh, John, Wm. Bail & Joseph > all the residue of my lands in the District of > KY, Wife: Seth Chinn during her natural life the use of 1/3 of estate of my > Loudoun & Fauquier Co. VA, or in lieu of the land to have slaves: Scipio, > Bett, Frank & Ned, various named household items & stock animals, after her > death divided among my children, Residue of my lands and slaves and divided > into 12 parts each of ail my children, daughter Mary Reno & her children to > be controlled by my son Elijah, until her > husband Zeky Reno dies, Exrs: Charles, Rawleigh, John Chinn, sons & Rawleigh > Chain Sr., friend, Wit: Ralph Murray, John French & Daniel French; Book 2, > 123. > > THE PROBLEM AS I SEE is deciphering all these boys. > > The Peytons, Powells, and Harrisons intermarried in Loudoun and Fauquier, as > I have much information on these families as well. > > It is noteworthy that Charles Downman Chinn's (Rawleigh's son by Margaret) > son John Chinn d. in Harrison Co. KY m. Mildred Higgins and their daughter > Agnes Ball Chinn m. Frank Smith. Their son Marcus Aurelius Smith was a > prosecutor in AZ during the Ok Corral event and went on to become a US > Congressman. > A KENTUCKY FAMILY. > Kentuckian Citizen. > > Mrs. Frank Smith, aged over 70 years, one of the dozen children of John > Chinn, died suddenly Saturday, May 7, at the residence on the Bourbon and > Harrison line. > > The noted New Orleans lawyer, Dick Chinn, was her brother, and the mother of > Mrs. William Tell Coleman, the San Francisco merchant was her sister. Mr. > Coleman recently visited her. > > Of her children are Mark Smith, the congressman from Arizona, and Sam. > M.Smith, the New York broker, who married a sister of General W. T. Withers, > and Dr. Higgins Smith, of Harrison. Her sister, Mrs. Green Bedford, of > Missouri, is the last of the dozen children. > > John and Mildred also had a son Richard Henry Chinn who m. Elizabeth Moore > Holmes (first cousins) as she was the daughter of Suckey Chinn (Charles and > Scythia's daughter) > > Honorable Richard Henry Chinn, an attorney. He was the law partner of that > noted statesman, Henry Clay. It has been documented that Richard Henry Chinn > was the only man with who Henry Clay would ever enter in partnership; Clay > was also the only person who presumed to call Richard Henry by the name of > "Dick". According to "Aunt Eliza" in "Social Life in Old New Orleans": "My > Mother would never have dared to do such a thing". One of the sons of > Richard Henry Chinn was named "Henry Clay" after his old law partner. In an > article written by Great Aunt Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, she makes > mention of the fact that Henry Clay was a frequent visitor in the Chinn > home. On one occasion she made a handkerchief for him which he always > carried and used in the process of wiping his hands after taking a pinch of > snuff. > Richard Henry Chinn served twice in the Kentucky legislature... each time > being elected by unanimous vote. > The Honorable RICHARD HENRY CHINN married his (third) cousin, > ELIZABETH (BETSY) MOORE HOLMES (with who, it is said, he fell in love with > when he was six and she was three.) The Mother of ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES was > SUSAN (SUCKY) CHINN, a daughter of the union between CHARLES and SYNTHE > CHINN, and sister of JOHN CHINN who married MILDRED HIGGINS. Fourteen > children were born to RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN. All of > the children were born in Kentucky where he practiced law until > approximately 1836. At that date he moved his family to Louisiana and took > up his practice in the city of New Orleans. > The youngest of the fourteen children of RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH > MOORE HOLMES CHINN was Elizabeth Moore Chinn McHatton Ripley (Aunt Eliza) > author of "from Flag to Flag" and "Social Life in Old New Orleans". Another > of their children was Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, Great-Grandmother > of Benjamin Harrison Branch, Jr, author of the "Branch-Harris-Jarvis-Chinn" > book of genealogy. The sixth child of the marriage was our Great-Grandfather > CABELL BRECKENRIDGE CHINN who married his cousin (third, I am told) JANE > McCAULAND. CABELL was educated as an attorney (like his father) and > practiced at the bar until some time after his marriage. After that he > became a planter of Pointe Coupee Parish in Louisiana. > > I found all this information trying to figure out why my 4th grandparents > son would have been travelling to New Orleans via river boat and who also > had brothers in Union Co. KY. > > I recently came across an old auction/yard sale pirate who came upon a CHINN > power of attorney and wanted big bucks for it thinking it was some golden > treasure because of this Marcus Aurelius Smith and the association to the Ok > Corral and also the Chinn association to George Washington. I got a copy of > like the front page of the document and he would not sell it to me. I > wanted to get it where it belonged. I was furious. Oh well. > > Sorry so long, but I will see what I have at home. > > Janean Ray > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig, O.K. I will give this a try. Thank you, Amanda -------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Kilby" <persisto1@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:57 PM To: <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] HENRY HUDSON married widow ELIZABETH neeCHINN of JOHN TRUSSELL. Family of HENRY HUDSON? > > On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Amanda Douglass wrote: > >> Craig, >> >> Thank you. I have yet to see the NN tree on ancestry. I tried way back >> to >> access and it was over my head. I'll try again. > > I think you should, even it if it is just "view only." There are 50 > editors who spend a lot of time making this information available for > free. Well, some more than others, but why anyone would not take advantage > of it is beyond me. It is not that difficult to use in view only mode. > Just type a name in the search box and see if it is in there. If it is, > hover your mouse over the highlighted name in the chart and click "view > profile" and VOILA! toy are in the tree! > >> There is a Hudson line that I'm working that concerns below Thomas Hudson >> whose father Henry Hudson married widow Elizabeth nee Chinn of John >> Trussell. >> >> Below Thomas Hudson died 1750 CC MD. >> He was with Francis Adams and Robert Maconchie on 1736 CC MD estate of >> John >> Smallwood <snip> > > I won't get into the Chinn line. Others may have more information. To my > knowledge, the two Hudson families are NOT related. There are no Henry > Hudson's in the Joshua Hudson line. I suspect Joshua-1 Hudson came from > Maryland. His wife and her family certainly did. Sort of like rowing > across the Potomac in the dead of night when things got a bit too hot. > Incidentally, this group of families were primarily Quakers. >> >> I am wondering if below HENRY HUDSON could somehow be related to JOSHUA >> HUDSON m. ELIZABETH RUST? > > Don't which Joshua you mean, but he is almost certainly of the Joshua-1 > Hudson group in Westmoreland, but they were seated much further north than > the Rusts. > >> Can you determine if there is any lead from below witness names? > > No >> >> Thank you, >> Amanda >> ========================================================== >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Amanda Douglass wrote: > Craig, > > Thank you. I have yet to see the NN tree on ancestry. I tried way back to > access and it was over my head. I'll try again. I think you should, even it if it is just "view only." There are 50 editors who spend a lot of time making this information available for free. Well, some more than others, but why anyone would not take advantage of it is beyond me. It is not that difficult to use in view only mode. Just type a name in the search box and see if it is in there. If it is, hover your mouse over the highlighted name in the chart and click "view profile" and VOILA! toy are in the tree! > There is a Hudson line that I'm working that concerns below Thomas Hudson > whose father Henry Hudson married widow Elizabeth nee Chinn of John > Trussell. > > Below Thomas Hudson died 1750 CC MD. > He was with Francis Adams and Robert Maconchie on 1736 CC MD estate of John > Smallwood <snip> I won't get into the Chinn line. Others may have more information. To my knowledge, the two Hudson families are NOT related. There are no Henry Hudson's in the Joshua Hudson line. I suspect Joshua-1 Hudson came from Maryland. His wife and her family certainly did. Sort of like rowing across the Potomac in the dead of night when things got a bit too hot. Incidentally, this group of families were primarily Quakers. > > I am wondering if below HENRY HUDSON could somehow be related to JOSHUA > HUDSON m. ELIZABETH RUST? Don't which Joshua you mean, but he is almost certainly of the Joshua-1 Hudson group in Westmoreland, but they were seated much further north than the Rusts. > Can you determine if there is any lead from below witness names? No > > Thank you, > Amanda > ========================================================== >

Jim let me do some research and make some inquiries of Christopher and Elijah's descendants. I think you might be a generation off, but maybe not. Rawleigh and Margaret had Charles, Elijah and Christopher. I think this Original Elijah died c. 1771 if memory serves. I have more information at home than here at work. I also have many emails etc saved that I never got logged in because it wasn't my direct line but I did an enourmous amount of work on these lines. Charles had a son Elijah Elijah had a son Elijah etc etc. so It's going to be confusing. First person I can recommend to you is Pat Duncan and I understand in just talking to her that you two have spoken before. She is major researcher/transcriber of all things Loudoun/Fauquier and has published many many books and has been my go to person for 15 years on the Chinn family because she has transcribed it all. GenNutLdn@msn.com Secondly after Rawleigh (my grandfather) got done with Easter and took up with Margaret... He bought land in Loudoun Co for his sons and gave them 500 acres each. Joseph started what is now the Red Fox Inn (Chinns Ordinary) in Middleburg. Thomas (my grandfather) built some tennet homes in Middleburg in which his son Thomas moved in which is now the Carter House and Waverly or (Piedmont Vineyards). Charles and Scythia (Davis) built their home Bittersweet as it's now called, and is still standing and privately owned (I have pictures of it) in Fauquier Co. Anyway, Charles DID in fact buy land in Kentucky, and if fact left to his son, Elijah to have 500a in Nelson Co. KY. Scythia died in Bourbon Co. Kentucky, after the death of her husband Charles in 1788. She died in 1824, was in KY before the 1810 census along with most of her children. They settled in the Paris KY area, her estate was sold at the home of her son, Joseph Chinn who lived about 8 miles from Paris on the Lexington-Cynthiana Rd. 2 1/2 mi from Centerville, KY. This is from Fauquier Will Book Abstracts by Dee Ann Buck: CHINN, CHARLES--Will--13 May 1787,25 Feb 1788, Son: Charles to have my silver watch, various named household items & stock animals & 50 pounds, Son: Christopher to have slaves: Chris & Larry & 25 shillings, Son: Elijah to have 500a in Nelson Co. KY, Children: Rawleigh, John, Wm. Bail, Joseph, Margaret, Betty, Suckey, Nancy each to received named household items & stock animals & 50 pounds, Sons: Charles, Rawleigh, John, Wm. Bail & Joseph all the residue of my lands in the District of KY, Wife: Seth Chinn during her natural life the use of 1/3 of estate of my Loudoun & Fauquier Co. VA, or in lieu of the land to have slaves: Scipio, Bett, Frank & Ned, various named household items & stock animals, after her death divided among my children, Residue of my lands and slaves and divided into 12 parts each of ail my children, daughter Mary Reno & her children to be controlled by my son Elijah, until her husband Zeky Reno dies, Exrs: Charles, Rawleigh, John Chinn, sons & Rawleigh Chain Sr., friend, Wit: Ralph Murray, John French & Daniel French; Book 2, 123. THE PROBLEM AS I SEE is deciphering all these boys. The Peytons, Powells, and Harrisons intermarried in Loudoun and Fauquier, as I have much information on these families as well. It is noteworthy that Charles Downman Chinn's (Rawleigh's son by Margaret) son John Chinn d. in Harrison Co. KY m. Mildred Higgins and their daughter Agnes Ball Chinn m. Frank Smith. Their son Marcus Aurelius Smith was a prosecutor in AZ during the Ok Corral event and went on to become a US Congressman. A KENTUCKY FAMILY. Kentuckian Citizen. Mrs. Frank Smith, aged over 70 years, one of the dozen children of John Chinn, died suddenly Saturday, May 7, at the residence on the Bourbon and Harrison line. The noted New Orleans lawyer, Dick Chinn, was her brother, and the mother of Mrs. William Tell Coleman, the San Francisco merchant was her sister. Mr. Coleman recently visited her. Of her children are Mark Smith, the congressman from Arizona, and Sam. M.Smith, the New York broker, who married a sister of General W. T. Withers, and Dr. Higgins Smith, of Harrison. Her sister, Mrs. Green Bedford, of Missouri, is the last of the dozen children. John and Mildred also had a son Richard Henry Chinn who m. Elizabeth Moore Holmes (first cousins) as she was the daughter of Suckey Chinn (Charles and Scythia's daughter) Honorable Richard Henry Chinn, an attorney. He was the law partner of that noted statesman, Henry Clay. It has been documented that Richard Henry Chinn was the only man with who Henry Clay would ever enter in partnership; Clay was also the only person who presumed to call Richard Henry by the name of "Dick". According to "Aunt Eliza" in "Social Life in Old New Orleans": "My Mother would never have dared to do such a thing". One of the sons of Richard Henry Chinn was named "Henry Clay" after his old law partner. In an article written by Great Aunt Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, she makes mention of the fact that Henry Clay was a frequent visitor in the Chinn home. On one occasion she made a handkerchief for him which he always carried and used in the process of wiping his hands after taking a pinch of snuff. Richard Henry Chinn served twice in the Kentucky legislature... each time being elected by unanimous vote. The Honorable RICHARD HENRY CHINN married his (third) cousin, ELIZABETH (BETSY) MOORE HOLMES (with who, it is said, he fell in love with when he was six and she was three.) The Mother of ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES was SUSAN (SUCKY) CHINN, a daughter of the union between CHARLES and SYNTHE CHINN, and sister of JOHN CHINN who married MILDRED HIGGINS. Fourteen children were born to RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN. All of the children were born in Kentucky where he practiced law until approximately 1836. At that date he moved his family to Louisiana and took up his practice in the city of New Orleans. The youngest of the fourteen children of RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN was Elizabeth Moore Chinn McHatton Ripley (Aunt Eliza) author of "from Flag to Flag" and "Social Life in Old New Orleans". Another of their children was Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, Great-Grandmother of Benjamin Harrison Branch, Jr, author of the "Branch-Harris-Jarvis-Chinn" book of genealogy. The sixth child of the marriage was our Great-Grandfather CABELL BRECKENRIDGE CHINN who married his cousin (third, I am told) JANE McCAULAND. CABELL was educated as an attorney (like his father) and practiced at the bar until some time after his marriage. After that he became a planter of Pointe Coupee Parish in Louisiana. I found all this information trying to figure out why my 4th grandparents son would have been travelling to New Orleans via river boat and who also had brothers in Union Co. KY. I recently came across an old auction/yard sale pirate who came upon a CHINN power of attorney and wanted big bucks for it thinking it was some golden treasure because of this Marcus Aurelius Smith and the association to the Ok Corral and also the Chinn association to George Washington. I got a copy of like the front page of the document and he would not sell it to me. I wanted to get it where it belonged. I was furious. Oh well. Sorry so long, but I will see what I have at home. Janean Ray

Janean - I'm looking to tie in Christopher CHINN c1760-1786 - a short, but active, life. See my collected records so far, including several from Pat (she is always VERY helpful)... Loudoun Co, VA; Court [OB-F:p540]: 10 Apr 1775: Christopher CHINN and orphan of Elijah CHINN being of proper age came into Court and made chose of Charles CHINN for his Guardian in the room of Francis PEYTON, with William BRONAUGH and Willaim ELLZEY as securities and 1,000 pounds bond. [NB: Christopher age 14-20; or born 1755-1761; probably the younger range, so perhaps b 1760] Montgomery Co, MD; Mar: 17 Dec 1779: Christopher CHIN m Ann BARTLET Loudoun Co, VA; Guardian Accts [OB-G:p229]; 13 Mar 1780: Christopher CHINN came into Court and made choice of Thomas BARTLETT for his Guardian who with William ELLZEY and Nathaniel WEEDON his securities entered bond of 50,000 pounds. [NB: Christopher CHINN age 14-20; so b 1760-1766; so b 1760] Loudoun Co, VA; Deeds [BkO;p138] 8 Sep 1784 Returned to Court: Christopher CHINN (s/o Elijah CHINN dec?d) & wife Nancy of Ldn to John Peyton HARRISON of Fauquier. Bargain and sale of 250ac in Ldn & Fauquier bequeathed to Elijah CHINN by brother Christopher CHINN dec?d, adj Charles CHINN, George HAILE, Bryan FAIRFAX, Leven POWELL. Wit: Simon TRIPLETT, Francis PEYTON, Leven POWELL, William HUTCHISON [posted GenForum/Nelson Co KY/908 by Pat Duncan GenNutLdn@msn.com 20100829] e11/23/12 [c1785: Thomas BARTLETT moved, with most of his family, to Harrison Co, VA. I believe Christopher and Ann, and their young children, moved, too. Perhaps they moved with Thomas BARTLETT, and then moved on to KY, or they might have gone straight to KY, where just a year later, Christopher CHINN died, leaving a 21 year old widow with at least 3 young children.] 1786 Loudoun Co, VA [cf 1809 below]; Christopher CHINN died 1787-1797: a ten year gap ? where was the widow Anne CHINN and her children, all under 10. Fayette Co, KY; Deed?; [Bk?:p231]: Indenture 16 May 1797: Thomas HALL and Anne HALL, his wife, late Anne CHINN, of Nelson Co, KY, to Walker BAYLOR of Fayette Co, KY. Whereas Christopher CHINN died possessed of 500 ac of land in Fayette Co, part of George BRYAN?s settlement and preemption, and Christopher CHINN did bequeath to his said wife Anne CHINN, now Anne HALL, 1/3 part of 350 ac of the said 500 ac, reserving to John RANSDALL 150 ac by his purposed of said Christopher CHINN, dec?d. Now in consideration of 100 pounds, Thomas and Anne HALL convey to BAYLOR all of their right and title to the said 116 2/3 ac which is 1/3 part of the 250 ac, as has been divided by commissioners and set apart for the said Anne. Anne HALL relinquished her rights of dower. Rec: 16 May 1797. [Fayette Co, KY records (Evansville, IN: Cook Publications, 1985-86), Vol 2, p29] Harrison Co, VA; Deed [DB3:362]; 17 Dec 1798; Thomas BARTLETT, of Harrison Co, VA to his daughter Anne HALL of Nelson Co, KY ... a Negro slave woman named Abigail, then to her daughter Elizabeth HALL; Sig: Thomas BARTLETT; Wit: John W. LOOFBOURROW, Benjamin BARTLETT, Sanford BARTLETT, Robert BARTLETT and John J. WALDO; Rec 17 Dec 1798. [B1D; B1D9; 6; 11; 8] Fayette Co, KY; records?; [?:p146]: 8 May 1809: Pursuant to an Act authorizing the County Court to receive testimony concerning burned records, William CHINN came into court and made oath that his brother, Christopher CHINN, died in Loudoun Co, VA in the year 1786, that he read the will of deceased brother, and that he gave his wife Ann CHINN one third of his estate, real and personal, and the remaining two thirds to his children, which was recorded in this County and the record thereof destroyed by the burning of the Clerk?s office [I believer Christopher CHINN must have gone to and died in KY, unless he died on a return trip to Loudoun Co, VA. Otherwise, I don't see how Ann BARTLETT CHINN would have gotten to KY to meet/marry Thomas HALL, who had spent the RevWar period in KY] Jim Bartlett On 11/26/12, Janean Ray<jray38@neo.rr.com> wrote: Jim let me do some research and make some inquiries of Christopher and Elijah's descendants. I think you might be a generation off, but maybe not. Rawleigh and Margaret had Charles, Elijah and Christopher. I think this Original Elijah died c. 1771 if memory serves. I have more information at home than here at work. I also have many emails etc saved that I never got logged in because it wasn't my direct line but I did an enourmous amount of work on these lines. Charles had a son Elijah Elijah had a son Elijah etc etc. so It's going to be confusing. First person I can recommend to you is Pat Duncan and I understand in just talking to her that you two have spoken before. She is major researcher/transcriber of all things Loudoun/Fauquier and has published many many books and has been my go to person for 15 years on the Chinn family because she has transcribed it all. GenNutLdn@msn.com Secondly after Rawleigh (my grandfather) got done with Easter and took up with Margaret... He bought land in Loudoun Co for his sons and gave them 500 acres each. Joseph started what is now the Red Fox Inn (Chinns Ordinary) in Middleburg. Thomas (my grandfather) built some tennet homes in Middleburg in which his son Thomas moved in which is now the Carter House and Waverly or (Piedmont Vineyards). Charles and Scythia (Davis) built their home Bittersweet as it's now called, and is still standing and privately owned (I have pictures of it) in Fauquier Co. Anyway, Charles DID in fact buy land in Kentucky, and if fact left to his son, Elijah to have 500a in Nelson Co. KY. Scythia died in Bourbon Co. Kentucky, after the death of her husband Charles in 1788. She died in 1824, was in KY before the 1810 census along with most of her children. They settled in the Paris KY area, her estate was sold at the home of her son, Joseph Chinn who lived about 8 miles from Paris on the Lexington-Cynthiana Rd. 2 1/2 mi from Centerville, KY. This is from Fauquier Will Book Abstracts by Dee Ann Buck: CHINN, CHARLES--Will--13 May 1787,25 Feb 1788, Son: Charles to have my silver watch, various named household items & stock animals & 50 pounds, Son: Christopher to have slaves: Chris & Larry & 25 shillings, Son: Elijah to have 500a in Nelson Co. KY, Children: Rawleigh, John, Wm. Bail, Joseph, Margaret, Betty, Suckey, Nancy each to received named household items & stock animals & 50 pounds, Sons: Charles, Rawleigh, John, Wm. Bail & Joseph all the residue of my lands in the District of KY, Wife: Seth Chinn during her natural life the use of 1/3 of estate of my Loudoun & Fauquier Co. VA, or in lieu of the land to have slaves: Scipio, Bett, Frank & Ned, various named household items & stock animals, after her death divided among my children, Residue of my lands and slaves and divided into 12 parts each of ail my children, daughter Mary Reno & her children to be controlled by my son Elijah, until her husband Zeky Reno dies, Exrs: Charles, Rawleigh, John Chinn, sons & Rawleigh Chain Sr., friend, Wit: Ralph Murray, John French & Daniel French; Book 2, 123. THE PROBLEM AS I SEE is deciphering all these boys. The Peytons, Powells, and Harrisons intermarried in Loudoun and Fauquier, as I have much information on these families as well. It is noteworthy that Charles Downman Chinn's (Rawleigh's son by Margaret) son John Chinn d. in Harrison Co. KY m. Mildred Higgins and their daughter Agnes Ball Chinn m. Frank Smith. Their son Marcus Aurelius Smith was a prosecutor in AZ during the Ok Corral event and went on to become a US Congressman. A KENTUCKY FAMILY. Kentuckian Citizen. Mrs. Frank Smith, aged over 70 years, one of the dozen children of John Chinn, died suddenly Saturday, May 7, at the residence on the Bourbon and Harrison line. The noted New Orleans lawyer, Dick Chinn, was her brother, and the mother of Mrs. William Tell Coleman, the San Francisco merchant was her sister. Mr. Coleman recently visited her. Of her children are Mark Smith, the congressman from Arizona, and Sam. M.Smith, the New York broker, who married a sister of General W. T. Withers, and Dr. Higgins Smith, of Harrison. Her sister, Mrs. Green Bedford, of Missouri, is the last of the dozen children. John and Mildred also had a son Richard Henry Chinn who m. Elizabeth Moore Holmes (first cousins) as she was the daughter of Suckey Chinn (Charles and Scythia's daughter) Honorable Richard Henry Chinn, an attorney. He was the law partner of that noted statesman, Henry Clay. It has been documented that Richard Henry Chinn was the only man with who Henry Clay would ever enter in partnership; Clay was also the only person who presumed to call Richard Henry by the name of "Dick". According to "Aunt Eliza" in "Social Life in Old New Orleans": "My Mother would never have dared to do such a thing". One of the sons of Richard Henry Chinn was named "Henry Clay" after his old law partner. In an article written by Great Aunt Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, she makes mention of the fact that Henry Clay was a frequent visitor in the Chinn home. On one occasion she made a handkerchief for him which he always carried and used in the process of wiping his hands after taking a pinch of snuff. Richard Henry Chinn served twice in the Kentucky legislature... each time being elected by unanimous vote. The Honorable RICHARD HENRY CHINN married his (third) cousin, ELIZABETH (BETSY) MOORE HOLMES (with who, it is said, he fell in love with when he was six and she was three.) The Mother of ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES was SUSAN (SUCKY) CHINN, a daughter of the union between CHARLES and SYNTHE CHINN, and sister of JOHN CHINN who married MILDRED HIGGINS. Fourteen children were born to RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN. All of the children were born in Kentucky where he practiced law until approximately 1836. At that date he moved his family to Louisiana and took up his practice in the city of New Orleans. The youngest of the fourteen children of RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN was Elizabeth Moore Chinn McHatton Ripley (Aunt Eliza) author of "from Flag to Flag" and "Social Life in Old New Orleans". Another of their children was Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, Great-Grandmother of Benjamin Harrison Branch, Jr, author of the "Branch-Harris-Jarvis-Chinn" book of genealogy. The sixth child of the marriage was our Great-Grandfather CABELL BRECKENRIDGE CHINN who married his cousin (third, I am told) JANE McCAULAND. CABELL was educated as an attorney (like his father) and practiced at the bar until some time after his marriage. After that he became a planter of Pointe Coupee Parish in Louisiana. I found all this information trying to figure out why my 4th grandparents son would have been travelling to New Orleans via river boat and who also had brothers in Union Co. KY. I recently came across an old auction/yard sale pirate who came upon a CHINN power of attorney and wanted big bucks for it thinking it was some golden treasure because of this Marcus Aurelius Smith and the association to the Ok Corral and also the Chinn association to George Washington. I got a copy of like the front page of the document and he would not sell it to me. I wanted to get it where it belonged. I was furious. Oh well. Sorry so long, but I will see what I have at home. 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Amanda whatever its worth here is the notation I have on her From Adventurers of Purse and Person: '... resided in Northumberland County "leaving divers children and his relict." On 16 Jan 1694/5 "Henry Hudson and Elizabeth his wife, late Elizabeth Trussell, widow of the said deceased," were ordered to return an inventory of John Trussell's estate.' Ref.: Dillon, Ruth, The Chinn Book, page 2-3 Northumberland Co., VA, Court - January 16, 1694. John (2) Trussell, d. intestate leaving children and widow, Elizabeth, who has since m. Henry Hudson. She came to Court and exhibited an inventory. Children - in Court September 19, 1706 - William (3) Trussell chose Henry Hudson as guardian. Ref.: Will of John Chynn, Sr., Dec. 15, 1691 Mentions son John Trussell and daughter Elizabeth Trussell. ------------------------------ ## ------------------------------ Ref.: Wulfeck, Dorothy Ford, "Marriages of some Virgina Residents 1607-1800", Vol. 1 (a-h), pg. 70, CHINN, Elizabeth m. John Trussell pg. 345, HUTSON, Henry m. bef. 1693, Elizabeth (_____) Trussell, widow of John 4V76. Also for whatever its worth as far as I show currently, Elizabeth Chinn/Trussell had brother John T. Chinn b. abt. 1660 no further information on him although he is mentioned in his father's will probated 1692. She also had sister Sarah Chilton by John Chinn's wife Elizabeth Travers. By his wife Alice "Gilbert" (formerly assumed Smoot) (not positively proven yet as Gilbert but much evidence supports this name) There was Ann, Rawleigh, Alice, William, Catherine, Joseph and Thomas Chinn. So YES she had brothers John and Rawleigh. It was this Rawleigh who was married to Easter Ball. They are all named in his will of which Abstracts you showed. Janean -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Amanda Douglass Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:21 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] HENRY HUDSON married widow ELIZABETH nee CHINNof JOHN TRUSSELL. Family of HENRY HUDSON? Craig, Thank you. I have yet to see the NN tree on ancestry. I tried way back to access and it was over my head. I'll try again. There is a Hudson line that I'm working that concerns below Thomas Hudson whose father Henry Hudson married widow Elizabeth nee Chinn of John Trussell.

Craig, Thank you. I have yet to see the NN tree on ancestry. I tried way back to access and it was over my head. I'll try again. There is a Hudson line that I'm working that concerns below Thomas Hudson whose father Henry Hudson married widow Elizabeth nee Chinn of John Trussell. Below Thomas Hudson died 1750 CC MD. He was with Francis Adams and Robert Maconchie on 1736 CC MD estate of John Smallwood, grandson of Col. William Smallwood. Francis Adams' son Josias Adams married female unk and had son "RHODAM ADAMS". Josias Adams married 2nd Anne Jenifer 30 JUL 1748 in Charles County, Maryland and they had children that would sell land to General George Washington in 1776 CC MD. [See very last.] I am wondering if below HENRY HUDSON could somehow be related to JOSHUA HUDSON m. ELIZABETH RUST? Can you determine if there is any lead from below witness names? Thank you, Amanda ========================================================== Anthony Linton reference below may have been the man who died 6 NOV 1689 in Northumberland County, Virginia - Probate. Northumberland County Virginia Record Book 1738-1743, page 106, Northumberland County Parish of St. Stephens . . ."This indenture made the 2nd day of Dec. 1740 by Thomas HUDSON of Charles County in the Province of Maryland to Robert HUDSON of the County of North'd & Parish of St. Stephen . . . In consideration of 5000 lbs of good tobbo already payed - all that tract or Divident of land Given & bequeathed to him the said Thomas HUDSON by the last will and testament of Henry HUDSON dec'd . . . being part of a tract formerly granted to Anthony LINTON" . . . Wit: Richard CLAUGHTON, Wm PURNELL(?), Sam'l HARRISON, Rodam HUDSON, Fielding HUDSON. ============================================================================= Above Henry Hudson seems to have married the widow Elizabeth nee Chinn of John Trussell. Elizabeth nee Chinn had brothers "JOHN" and "RAWLEIGH". Would you possibly be able to shed any light on below CHINN line as well? Abstracts of Lancaster County, Virginia Wills 1653-1800; {Ida J. Lee} CHINN, John. Will 15 Dec. 1691. Rec. 13 May 1692. Wife, Alice; Sons: John and Rawleigh; Son John Trussell and my daughter Elizabeth his wife; Son, Thomas Chilton and my daughter Sarah Chilton his wife. Daughters: Ann and Kaatherine Chinn. Extrx. Wife Alice. Wits. Wm. Smith, Alex. Dun, Edw. Geffrey. W.B. 8, p. 34. =========================================================================== I am banking that below THOMAS HUDSON was son of HENRY HUDSON and maybe below JOHN CHINN and RAWLEIGH CHINN were brothers? Stafford Co VA Will Book 1729-1748; {Antient Press}: Pg 16-17 The Estate of JOHN SHARPE To funeral charges, To a mare paid JOHN CHINN To 4 Sheep left ALEXR. BEACH by John Sharpe's will, paid Mrs. PRISCILLA HAY, paid Capt. Connyets, paid Capt. SIMON PEARSON, paid THOS. EAVES, HENRY WIGGENTON, ANDR. FORBES, Mr, Scott, Mr. Lewis Attn. fees, paid Mrs. Rust, THOS, JEFFRYS, JOHN WAUGH, JOHN TINSLEY, Clerk's notes, By tobo rec'd from RAWL CHINN, Mrs. Travers g 60..13..9 Errors Excepted THOMAS HUDSON At Court held for Stafford County 15th October 1730 Thomas Hudson, Administrator of Estate of John Sharpe deced made oath to account .. admitted to record. ============================================================== 1776 Charles County Land Records 1775-1782; Liber V#3; Page 60. Dec 4, 1775 from Daniel Jenifer Adams, Anna Adams, and Elizabeth Mason Adams of CC, children of Josias Adams, late of CC, to his Excellency, General George Washington, for 580 £ 12 shillings sterling to sd Daniel Jenifer Adams in hand paid by sd George Washington, and for 12 £ paid to sd Anna Adams and Elizabeth Mason Adams, and for divers other good causes, they sell to sd George Washington, all those several tracts of land in Durham Parish in CC, that is to say, all that tract of land called Josias' Help, containing about 109 acres, all that tract of land called Wades Addition, containing 33.33 acres, all that tract of land called Adams' Retirement, about 100 acres, all that tract of land, Adams' Outlet, containing 50 acres, and also all that tract of land called Williams' Folly, containing about 260 acres, which last tract of land was conveyed by James B. Muncaster to Ann Adams on Aug 20, 1773, the same being all the land which was held, occupied, or possessed by sd Josias Adams in his lifetime. Signed - Dan_ J. Adams, Anna Adams, Eliza Mason Adams. Wit - Dan Jenifer, Jas Craik (CC JPs). Recorded Jan 5, 1776. [Also banking that above Jas Craik was Dr. James Craik.]

David/Craig I should have noticed this before posting, but the John Marshall of Lancaster (in the record below) appears to be to old to be John "of the forest" Marshall. Looks like John "of the forest" was born circa 1700 and wife Elizabeth Markam circa 1704. So, the one mentioned in Lancaster obviously born earlier. However, there still might be a mystery here, as I have seen Martha Sherwood was married in Sittingbourne Parish, Rappahannock County, Virginia to a Thomas Marshall (II), who was supposedly born in Hungars parish Northhampton Co, Va. (christened 2 April 1661) "Thomas MARTIALL ye sonne of Tho and Mary MARTIALL - April 2d (1661)" http://gennotes.150m.com/marshall.html Now what is interesting about this tree is the Thomas Marshall III, said to have died in 1727, per this site. This happens to be about same time as the Thomas Marshall in Lancaster died. So, question is: could Thomas Marshall III he be the Thomas Marshall involved in Administration of Sackville Marshall who appear to be brother of John Marshall of Lancaster. Food for thought So, here's the question: Could John Marshall of Lancaster be uncle of John "of the forest" Marshall of Westmoreland and the common tie being Thomas Marshall I ? Virginia Northern Neck Land Grants 1694-1742 by Gertrude E. Gray; Book 3 1703-1710 3-175: Thomas Marshall of Lancaster County, decd made survey of 131a in said Co. Cert of Clk of Scs office 18mar1685/6. Marshall died before obtained patent & by will 25 June 1686 gave land to his sons. John and Sackville equally divided. John & Sackvill Marshall 25nov last obtained warrent. Surv by Capt Wm Ball for 133-1/2acres in Lancaster County, Virginia. "Adj John Berry decd", above merryman's path. 31Oct 1707. -- Fred Duncan

She did have a brother Henry named in Daniels 1720 will. Don't know who he married. On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Amanda Douglass wrote: > think JOYCE nee FIELD had brother HENRY FIELD m. ESTHER JAMES?