First of all--HAPPY NEW YEAR! And time to wake up this wonderful list. Since the will of William-3 Fox (David-2, David-1) has seemed to have caused much confusion, I decided to transcribe the whole thing. My, a most interesting document. This and the will of Hannah (Ball) Fox will hopefully be published with a lengthier article in a future edition of the Magazine of Virginia Genealogy. First--it names NO daughter Mary, as reported in Ida J. Lee's "Wills of Lancaster County." I don't know where she came up with that. It will be recalled his wife was Ann Chinn, daughter of John & Alice Chinn. If there was ever a daughter Mary Fox, she died as a child and before this will was written in 1717. The will describes in colorful details some of his clothing, such as red silk stockings and jacket coats trimmed in gold (he leaves much of this to his cousins William and James Ball). The preamble, however, is something I've never read about this will. He names his "Indian and negro boy Will" and requests that they be taught to read and say their prayers, and to be baptized at which time the Indian is to be named THOMAS and the negro boy WILL to be named WILLIAM. Also, he requests they learn the trade of carpenter, cooper or surveyor. They are to serve his wife Anne for 10 years and then to be freed and given two suits of clothes "befitting workmen"--one for summer and one for winter. There are many more interesting details, but I thought for those of you tracing the FOX family, to DELETE this mythical Mary Fox. The "sister" Hannah Spellman was indeed his blood sister, who at this time was married to Clement Spellman, her 2nd husband. Her first husband was Rodham Kenner. Three of her Kenner children are also mentioned in his will. The bulk of his estate, however, went to his nephew David Fox, a son of Samuel Fox, after the death of his wife. This never happened as David Fox died soon after this will was written. In that case, the estate was go to his nieces Frances Fox, Frances Spellman and "all the daughters of Capt. George Heale." Sorting that out ought to be an interesting challenge. Last, the confusion about his will seems to have arisen by the use of his terms "sister" for Ann Fox and Catherine Heale. They were in fact his sisters-in-law. Ann Fox being the widow of his brother Samuel Fox, and Catherine Heale being the sister of his wife, Ann Chinn, who had married Capt. George Heale. In fact, much of this estate is given to the daughters of Capt. George Heale. I have more to report/exchange in future emails on other topics, but thought I'd start the New Year with something relatively simple. Trusting you all had a great Holiday Season (not really over until 12th Night on Jan 6)...and to making some great new discoveries in 2013. Your Trusty Friend, Craig Kilby

A reminder to NOT repeat entire previous threads in your replies. Remove everything except the part to which you are replying. This is extremely irritating to those of our members who are in digest mode. Further, these messages will eventually exceed 25kb meaning they will bounce back to me, and I will we reject them outright. I make no exceptions to that rule, including for myself. Thank you. Craig

Linda, The Orears were famous for naming their sons Daniel and John. I get confused with it all the time. If my Great grandfather hadn't been involved I would have never untangled it. Your husband and I have common ancestors in the Reno line as Susannah Thorn Reno was a half sister to John Thorn my ancestor. Have a great day. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Reno Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 9:45 AM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Thorn Sanford Muse Families Thanks--I had the Orear information with no documentation. My primary focus was the Reno line but if I'm going to include such information, it needs to be right! Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elmer thorn Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 10:29 AM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Thorn Sanford Muse Families Thanks Linda for the info. I think it needs correction if I am reading it right. Daniel Orear b 1681 wife was Mary Peck who later married William Thorn. Daniel Orear and Mary Peck had two sons Daniel 1710 -1736 (wife Hester or Esther) and John Orear and daughter Margaret Orear.. Somewhere around 1713-16 Daniel Orear died and his widow Mary Peck-Orear married William Thorn. Mary Peck Orear and William Thorn had a daughter Susannah Thorn who married John Reno. I have some documentation I can email you if you would like. Elmer Thorn -----Original Message----- From: Linda Reno Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 8:20 AM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Thorn Sanford Muse Families John Reno, named in the report below, was a brother of Lewis Reno, Jr. (my husband's line). Linda Reno Descendants of Daniel Orear Generation No. 1 1. DANIEL1 OREAR was born Bef. 1681. He married ESTHER. She was born Bef. 1686. Child of DANIEL OREAR and ESTHER is: 2. i. MARY2 OREAR, b. Bet. 1693 - 1701; d. Aft. 1716. Generation No. 2 2. MARY2 OREAR (DANIEL1) was born Bet. 1693 - 1701, and died Aft. 1716. She married WILLIAM THORN Bef. 1716. He was born 1693, and died Aft. 1716. Child of MARY OREAR and WILLIAM THORN is: 3. i. SUSANNA3 THORN, b. 1716; d. 29 Aug 1773, PA. Generation No. 3 3. SUSANNA3 THORN (MARY2 OREAR, DANIEL1) was born 1716, and died 29 Aug 1773 in PA. She married JOHN RENO 17 Nov 1737 in Greenbrier, Vale, VA, son of LEWIS RENO. He was born 13 Apr 1715 in Pr. Wm. Co., VA, and died 14 Jun 1806 in Carter Co., TN. Children of SUSANNA THORN and JOHN RENO are: i. WILLIAM4 RENO, b. 09 Feb 1738/39, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1798, Pigeon's Creek, Sevier Co., TN; m. CATHERINE BUTLER, 27 May 1760, Winchester, Frederick Co., VA; b. 1742, VA; d. Aft. 1798, Carter Co., TN. ii. BENJAMIN RENO, b. 03 Feb 1739/40, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1783, Washington Co., PA; m. JANE BELL, 22 Nov 1766; b. 1744; d. Aft. 1783, Washington Co., PA. iii. MARGARET RENO, b. 09 Mar 1741/42, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 09 Mar 1741/42, Pr. Wm. Co., VA. iv. SARAH RENO, b. 15 Jun 1744, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. Aft. 1772, Jonesboro, TN; m. WILLIAM ROGERS, 28 Jan 1766; b. Bef. 1746; d. Aft. 1766, TN. v. JOHN RENO, JR., b. 16 Apr 1746, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1827, Morgan Co., Alabama; m. ELIZABETH DEBOLT, 17 Oct 1769, Hampshire Co., VA; b. 1750, Loudoun Co., VA; d. 1800, Jefferson Co., TN. vi. MARY RENO, b. 06 Nov 1748, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. Aft. 1763; m. JOHN CALVIN, 06 Jan 1765, Hampshire Co., VA; b. Bef. 1745. vii. GEORGE RENO, b. 01 Sep 1751, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1800, Jefferson Co., TN; m. PEGGY DUGGAN, Bef. 1790; b. Aft. 1751. viii. CHARLES RENO, b. 14 Mar 1754, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 04 Aug 1828, Cumberland Co., KY; m. ALICE ELIZABETH TIPTON, 12 Oct 1772, Frederick Co., VA; b. 1754; d. Aft. 1772. ix. LEWIS RENO, b. 30 Jan 1756, Frederick Co., VA; d. 1793, Sanduskytown, OH; m. MARGARET EVANS, 29 Mar 1778; b. Unknown; d. Aft. 1778. x. FRANCIS RENO, b. 07 Feb 1758, Frederick Co., VA; d. 12 Aug 1836, Rochester, PA; m. LYDIA SEVIER, 15 Jun 1784, PA; b. 15 Dec 1765; d. 23 Mar 1842, Rochester, PA. xi. THOMAS RENO, b. 04 Apr 1760, Frederick Co., VA; d. Aft. 1782, Jefferson Co., TN; m. JANE RAMSEY, 1782; b. Bet. 1760 - 1767; d. Aft. 1782. xii. MARGARET RENO, b. 21 Sep 1762, Hampshire Co., VA; d. 16 Oct 1850, Industry, McDonough Co., IL; m. JAMES VANCE, 28 Jan 1782; b. 03 Sep 1764, Bucks, PA; d. 07 Oct 1835, Industry, McDonough Co., IL. -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elmer thorn Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 10:36 PM To: VA-NORTHERN-NECK@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Thorn Sanford Muse Families Hello, I was wondering if anyone on this mailing list is or has done research on my families. William Thorn c 1700 Stafford now Prince William Co was my 4th Great Grandfather. I am connected to the O'Rear. Reno, Sanford, Muse, Carter and other families of that era. Would like to connect with others doing research on these families. Elmer Thorn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks--I had the Orear information with no documentation. My primary focus was the Reno line but if I'm going to include such information, it needs to be right! Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elmer thorn Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 10:29 AM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Thorn Sanford Muse Families Thanks Linda for the info. I think it needs correction if I am reading it right. Daniel Orear b 1681 wife was Mary Peck who later married William Thorn. Daniel Orear and Mary Peck had two sons Daniel 1710 -1736 (wife Hester or Esther) and John Orear and daughter Margaret Orear.. Somewhere around 1713-16 Daniel Orear died and his widow Mary Peck-Orear married William Thorn. Mary Peck Orear and William Thorn had a daughter Susannah Thorn who married John Reno. I have some documentation I can email you if you would like. Elmer Thorn -----Original Message----- From: Linda Reno Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 8:20 AM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Thorn Sanford Muse Families John Reno, named in the report below, was a brother of Lewis Reno, Jr. (my husband's line). Linda Reno Descendants of Daniel Orear Generation No. 1 1. DANIEL1 OREAR was born Bef. 1681. He married ESTHER. She was born Bef. 1686. Child of DANIEL OREAR and ESTHER is: 2. i. MARY2 OREAR, b. Bet. 1693 - 1701; d. Aft. 1716. Generation No. 2 2. MARY2 OREAR (DANIEL1) was born Bet. 1693 - 1701, and died Aft. 1716. She married WILLIAM THORN Bef. 1716. He was born 1693, and died Aft. 1716. Child of MARY OREAR and WILLIAM THORN is: 3. i. SUSANNA3 THORN, b. 1716; d. 29 Aug 1773, PA. Generation No. 3 3. SUSANNA3 THORN (MARY2 OREAR, DANIEL1) was born 1716, and died 29 Aug 1773 in PA. She married JOHN RENO 17 Nov 1737 in Greenbrier, Vale, VA, son of LEWIS RENO. He was born 13 Apr 1715 in Pr. Wm. Co., VA, and died 14 Jun 1806 in Carter Co., TN. Children of SUSANNA THORN and JOHN RENO are: i. WILLIAM4 RENO, b. 09 Feb 1738/39, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1798, Pigeon's Creek, Sevier Co., TN; m. CATHERINE BUTLER, 27 May 1760, Winchester, Frederick Co., VA; b. 1742, VA; d. Aft. 1798, Carter Co., TN. ii. BENJAMIN RENO, b. 03 Feb 1739/40, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1783, Washington Co., PA; m. JANE BELL, 22 Nov 1766; b. 1744; d. Aft. 1783, Washington Co., PA. iii. MARGARET RENO, b. 09 Mar 1741/42, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 09 Mar 1741/42, Pr. Wm. Co., VA. iv. SARAH RENO, b. 15 Jun 1744, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. Aft. 1772, Jonesboro, TN; m. WILLIAM ROGERS, 28 Jan 1766; b. Bef. 1746; d. Aft. 1766, TN. v. JOHN RENO, JR., b. 16 Apr 1746, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1827, Morgan Co., Alabama; m. ELIZABETH DEBOLT, 17 Oct 1769, Hampshire Co., VA; b. 1750, Loudoun Co., VA; d. 1800, Jefferson Co., TN. vi. MARY RENO, b. 06 Nov 1748, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. Aft. 1763; m. JOHN CALVIN, 06 Jan 1765, Hampshire Co., VA; b. Bef. 1745. vii. GEORGE RENO, b. 01 Sep 1751, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1800, Jefferson Co., TN; m. PEGGY DUGGAN, Bef. 1790; b. Aft. 1751. viii. CHARLES RENO, b. 14 Mar 1754, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 04 Aug 1828, Cumberland Co., KY; m. ALICE ELIZABETH TIPTON, 12 Oct 1772, Frederick Co., VA; b. 1754; d. Aft. 1772. ix. LEWIS RENO, b. 30 Jan 1756, Frederick Co., VA; d. 1793, Sanduskytown, OH; m. MARGARET EVANS, 29 Mar 1778; b. Unknown; d. Aft. 1778. x. FRANCIS RENO, b. 07 Feb 1758, Frederick Co., VA; d. 12 Aug 1836, Rochester, PA; m. LYDIA SEVIER, 15 Jun 1784, PA; b. 15 Dec 1765; d. 23 Mar 1842, Rochester, PA. xi. THOMAS RENO, b. 04 Apr 1760, Frederick Co., VA; d. Aft. 1782, Jefferson Co., TN; m. JANE RAMSEY, 1782; b. Bet. 1760 - 1767; d. Aft. 1782. xii. MARGARET RENO, b. 21 Sep 1762, Hampshire Co., VA; d. 16 Oct 1850, Industry, McDonough Co., IL; m. JAMES VANCE, 28 Jan 1782; b. 03 Sep 1764, Bucks, PA; d. 07 Oct 1835, Industry, McDonough Co., IL. -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elmer thorn Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 10:36 PM To: VA-NORTHERN-NECK@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Thorn Sanford Muse Families Hello, I was wondering if anyone on this mailing list is or has done research on my families. William Thorn c 1700 Stafford now Prince William Co was my 4th Great Grandfather. I am connected to the O'Rear. Reno, Sanford, Muse, Carter and other families of that era. Would like to connect with others doing research on these families. Elmer Thorn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Linda for the info. I think it needs correction if I am reading it right. Daniel Orear b 1681 wife was Mary Peck who later married William Thorn. Daniel Orear and Mary Peck had two sons Daniel 1710 -1736 (wife Hester or Esther) and John Orear and daughter Margaret Orear.. Somewhere around 1713-16 Daniel Orear died and his widow Mary Peck-Orear married William Thorn. Mary Peck Orear and William Thorn had a daughter Susannah Thorn who married John Reno. I have some documentation I can email you if you would like. Elmer Thorn -----Original Message----- From: Linda Reno Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 8:20 AM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Thorn Sanford Muse Families John Reno, named in the report below, was a brother of Lewis Reno, Jr. (my husband's line). Linda Reno Descendants of Daniel Orear Generation No. 1 1. DANIEL1 OREAR was born Bef. 1681. He married ESTHER. She was born Bef. 1686. Child of DANIEL OREAR and ESTHER is: 2. i. MARY2 OREAR, b. Bet. 1693 - 1701; d. Aft. 1716. Generation No. 2 2. MARY2 OREAR (DANIEL1) was born Bet. 1693 - 1701, and died Aft. 1716. She married WILLIAM THORN Bef. 1716. He was born 1693, and died Aft. 1716. Child of MARY OREAR and WILLIAM THORN is: 3. i. SUSANNA3 THORN, b. 1716; d. 29 Aug 1773, PA. Generation No. 3 3. SUSANNA3 THORN (MARY2 OREAR, DANIEL1) was born 1716, and died 29 Aug 1773 in PA. She married JOHN RENO 17 Nov 1737 in Greenbrier, Vale, VA, son of LEWIS RENO. He was born 13 Apr 1715 in Pr. Wm. Co., VA, and died 14 Jun 1806 in Carter Co., TN. Children of SUSANNA THORN and JOHN RENO are: i. WILLIAM4 RENO, b. 09 Feb 1738/39, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1798, Pigeon's Creek, Sevier Co., TN; m. CATHERINE BUTLER, 27 May 1760, Winchester, Frederick Co., VA; b. 1742, VA; d. Aft. 1798, Carter Co., TN. ii. BENJAMIN RENO, b. 03 Feb 1739/40, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1783, Washington Co., PA; m. JANE BELL, 22 Nov 1766; b. 1744; d. Aft. 1783, Washington Co., PA. iii. MARGARET RENO, b. 09 Mar 1741/42, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 09 Mar 1741/42, Pr. Wm. Co., VA. iv. SARAH RENO, b. 15 Jun 1744, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. Aft. 1772, Jonesboro, TN; m. WILLIAM ROGERS, 28 Jan 1766; b. Bef. 1746; d. Aft. 1766, TN. v. JOHN RENO, JR., b. 16 Apr 1746, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1827, Morgan Co., Alabama; m. ELIZABETH DEBOLT, 17 Oct 1769, Hampshire Co., VA; b. 1750, Loudoun Co., VA; d. 1800, Jefferson Co., TN. vi. MARY RENO, b. 06 Nov 1748, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. Aft. 1763; m. JOHN CALVIN, 06 Jan 1765, Hampshire Co., VA; b. Bef. 1745. vii. GEORGE RENO, b. 01 Sep 1751, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1800, Jefferson Co., TN; m. PEGGY DUGGAN, Bef. 1790; b. Aft. 1751. viii. CHARLES RENO, b. 14 Mar 1754, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 04 Aug 1828, Cumberland Co., KY; m. ALICE ELIZABETH TIPTON, 12 Oct 1772, Frederick Co., VA; b. 1754; d. Aft. 1772. ix. LEWIS RENO, b. 30 Jan 1756, Frederick Co., VA; d. 1793, Sanduskytown, OH; m. MARGARET EVANS, 29 Mar 1778; b. Unknown; d. Aft. 1778. x. FRANCIS RENO, b. 07 Feb 1758, Frederick Co., VA; d. 12 Aug 1836, Rochester, PA; m. LYDIA SEVIER, 15 Jun 1784, PA; b. 15 Dec 1765; d. 23 Mar 1842, Rochester, PA. xi. THOMAS RENO, b. 04 Apr 1760, Frederick Co., VA; d. Aft. 1782, Jefferson Co., TN; m. JANE RAMSEY, 1782; b. Bet. 1760 - 1767; d. Aft. 1782. xii. MARGARET RENO, b. 21 Sep 1762, Hampshire Co., VA; d. 16 Oct 1850, Industry, McDonough Co., IL; m. JAMES VANCE, 28 Jan 1782; b. 03 Sep 1764, Bucks, PA; d. 07 Oct 1835, Industry, McDonough Co., IL. -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elmer thorn Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 10:36 PM To: VA-NORTHERN-NECK@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Thorn Sanford Muse Families Hello, I was wondering if anyone on this mailing list is or has done research on my families. William Thorn c 1700 Stafford now Prince William Co was my 4th Great Grandfather. I am connected to the O'Rear. Reno, Sanford, Muse, Carter and other families of that era. Would like to connect with others doing research on these families. Elmer Thorn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Reno, named in the report below, was a brother of Lewis Reno, Jr. (my husband's line). Linda Reno Descendants of Daniel Orear Generation No. 1 1. DANIEL1 OREAR was born Bef. 1681. He married ESTHER. She was born Bef. 1686. Child of DANIEL OREAR and ESTHER is: 2. i. MARY2 OREAR, b. Bet. 1693 - 1701; d. Aft. 1716. Generation No. 2 2. MARY2 OREAR (DANIEL1) was born Bet. 1693 - 1701, and died Aft. 1716. She married WILLIAM THORN Bef. 1716. He was born 1693, and died Aft. 1716. Child of MARY OREAR and WILLIAM THORN is: 3. i. SUSANNA3 THORN, b. 1716; d. 29 Aug 1773, PA. Generation No. 3 3. SUSANNA3 THORN (MARY2 OREAR, DANIEL1) was born 1716, and died 29 Aug 1773 in PA. She married JOHN RENO 17 Nov 1737 in Greenbrier, Vale, VA, son of LEWIS RENO. He was born 13 Apr 1715 in Pr. Wm. Co., VA, and died 14 Jun 1806 in Carter Co., TN. Children of SUSANNA THORN and JOHN RENO are: i. WILLIAM4 RENO, b. 09 Feb 1738/39, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1798, Pigeon's Creek, Sevier Co., TN; m. CATHERINE BUTLER, 27 May 1760, Winchester, Frederick Co., VA; b. 1742, VA; d. Aft. 1798, Carter Co., TN. ii. BENJAMIN RENO, b. 03 Feb 1739/40, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1783, Washington Co., PA; m. JANE BELL, 22 Nov 1766; b. 1744; d. Aft. 1783, Washington Co., PA. iii. MARGARET RENO, b. 09 Mar 1741/42, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 09 Mar 1741/42, Pr. Wm. Co., VA. iv. SARAH RENO, b. 15 Jun 1744, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. Aft. 1772, Jonesboro, TN; m. WILLIAM ROGERS, 28 Jan 1766; b. Bef. 1746; d. Aft. 1766, TN. v. JOHN RENO, JR., b. 16 Apr 1746, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1827, Morgan Co., Alabama; m. ELIZABETH DEBOLT, 17 Oct 1769, Hampshire Co., VA; b. 1750, Loudoun Co., VA; d. 1800, Jefferson Co., TN. vi. MARY RENO, b. 06 Nov 1748, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. Aft. 1763; m. JOHN CALVIN, 06 Jan 1765, Hampshire Co., VA; b. Bef. 1745. vii. GEORGE RENO, b. 01 Sep 1751, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 1800, Jefferson Co., TN; m. PEGGY DUGGAN, Bef. 1790; b. Aft. 1751. viii. CHARLES RENO, b. 14 Mar 1754, Pr. Wm. Co., VA; d. 04 Aug 1828, Cumberland Co., KY; m. ALICE ELIZABETH TIPTON, 12 Oct 1772, Frederick Co., VA; b. 1754; d. Aft. 1772. ix. LEWIS RENO, b. 30 Jan 1756, Frederick Co., VA; d. 1793, Sanduskytown, OH; m. MARGARET EVANS, 29 Mar 1778; b. Unknown; d. Aft. 1778. x. FRANCIS RENO, b. 07 Feb 1758, Frederick Co., VA; d. 12 Aug 1836, Rochester, PA; m. LYDIA SEVIER, 15 Jun 1784, PA; b. 15 Dec 1765; d. 23 Mar 1842, Rochester, PA. xi. THOMAS RENO, b. 04 Apr 1760, Frederick Co., VA; d. Aft. 1782, Jefferson Co., TN; m. JANE RAMSEY, 1782; b. Bet. 1760 - 1767; d. Aft. 1782. xii. MARGARET RENO, b. 21 Sep 1762, Hampshire Co., VA; d. 16 Oct 1850, Industry, McDonough Co., IL; m. JAMES VANCE, 28 Jan 1782; b. 03 Sep 1764, Bucks, PA; d. 07 Oct 1835, Industry, McDonough Co., IL. -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elmer thorn Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 10:36 PM To: VA-NORTHERN-NECK@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Thorn Sanford Muse Families Hello, I was wondering if anyone on this mailing list is or has done research on my families. William Thorn c 1700 Stafford now Prince William Co was my 4th Great Grandfather. I am connected to the O'Rear. Reno, Sanford, Muse, Carter and other families of that era. Would like to connect with others doing research on these families. Elmer Thorn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I was wondering if anyone on this mailing list is or has done research on my families. William Thorn c 1700 Stafford now Prince William Co was my 4th Great Grandfather. I am connected to the O’Rear. Reno, Sanford, Muse, Carter and other families of that era. Would like to connect with others doing research on these families. Elmer Thorn

I see that Craig Scott now has this book on his web site Here is the link http://heritagebooks.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HBI&Product_Code=101-S5441&Category_Code= His site does not tell us anything about who did the research, who did the editing or, well much of anything else.....but, in at the course of the work, I will say I was stunned at the number of people we found in this project who were born in New England and the British Isles. I would definitely recommend this for a local library collection. Craig

ROSSER is definitely ROSSER and not ROZIER/ROSIER, and definitely English. David Rosser is the rare case where we know when he left England, on what ship, and what date, and from where, and to whom he was indentured, and for how long, and when he died. He was not claimed as a headright until years after his death. That is what made him a case study. That article about him and others in that group I posted here sometime back. It might be worthwhile to re-send it. It's a great lesson in headrights. Point here is that ROZIER/ROSIER is one family, probably French Huguenot, and ROSSER is quite another family, English. Craig On Nov 28, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Kathleen Much wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:01 AM, someone wrote: > >> >> It's unlikely that Rozier and Rosser are the same family...and it's an >> unlikely transcription errors due to the "z". > > > I agree that they are two different names, but not because of > transcription. The Roziers appear often as Rosier in colonial records. > Crozier shows both spellings in a single will: > Westmoreland Co Will Book 2: "Solley, Thomas, 12 Oct 1663. Wife Elizabeth > my extx; my son John Rosier; my dau. Eliz. Rozier." > > Kathleen Much > The Book Doctor

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:01 AM, someone wrote: > > It's unlikely that Rozier and Rosser are the same family...and it's an > unlikely transcription errors due to the "z". I agree that they are two different names, but not because of transcription. The Roziers appear often as Rosier in colonial records. Crozier shows both spellings in a single will: Westmoreland Co Will Book 2: "Solley, Thomas, 12 Oct 1663. Wife Elizabeth my extx; my son John Rosier; my dau. Eliz. Rozier." Kathleen Much The Book Doctor

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Charlene wrote: > > Francis WRIGHT, who is also listed) is probably Maj. Francis WRIGHT > 1660-1713 who m 1682 Anne Pope WASHINGTON (yes, two names) > What is the source of the claim that Anne (Washington) Wright had a middle name? I have seen her maiden name documented only as Anne Washington. Her mother was Anne (Pope) Washington. Perhaps that led to some later writer assigning her name to her daughter. Remember the general rule: no middle names before the Revolution, except for children named for an ancestor, which might be the case here--but I doubt it. The middle names usually came from a grandparent or more distant relative, and in the case of women were usually the namesake's *married* name. -- Kathleen Much The Book Doctor

Donna, No, but for something like this I would accept the Sparacio transcript of it. EXCEPT, "Tiller" MAY be SPILLER. For that, I would want to see the original to be sure. If I were so inclined. Which I am not. For now. Craig On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Donna Price wrote: > Judgment. upon nihil dicit is granted to WILLIAM TILLER against (PETER marked > out) FRANCIS JAMES for Foure hundred pounds of tob: & cask due by Bill to > be paid with costs of suit als. Execucon. > > ORDER BOOK ABSTRACTS of RICHMOND COUNTY, VIRGINIA > 1692 - 1694 > The Antient Press > > Craig, > Have you seen the recorded document? > Thanks, > Donna

Judgmt. upon nihil dicit is granted to WILLIAM TILLER against (PETER marked out) FRANCIS JAMES for Foure hundred pounds of tob: & cask due by Bill to be paid with costs of suit als. Execucon. ORDER BOOK ABSTRACTS of RICHMOND COUNTY, VIRGINIA 1692 - 1694 The Antient Press Craig, Have you seen the recorded document? Thanks, Donna

AH ok, so I was the sacraficial lamb so to speak. Lol Love you too Craig but your presentation sometimes could use some work. File down some of those rough edges once in a while. <wink> Janean -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:09 AM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Help with a bastard CHINN Janean. No. Just trying to keep our herd of sheep in the corral, that's all. If we let these sheep wander all over the United States, this list would be worth nothing. It has to have a focus, and that is where it needs to stay. Otherwise it would be useless piece of blather. Craig Janean Ray wrote: > Next time I'll write to people privately so I don't get slapped on the > hand publicly for trying to help. You really do like to call people > out...> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary. I agree. I would not use Mike Marshall's site as a reliable source of relationships. I do use it for sources which he has copied from lots of books from lots of libraries. This is why why we did not use his 50,000+ megatree to build our NN tree. Way too many errors, which is what happens when one is just collecting names. On Nov 27, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Mary L. West wrote: > If it's of any help...John Rozier b c 1604 in London and d 1660 in Westmoreland County...his descendants in the NN eventually used the spelling Rose. > > It's unlikely that Rozier and Rosser are the same family...and it's an unlikely transcription errors due to the "z". > > >

Forwarded from message from David Brown--correction > From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> > Date: November 27, 2012 12:02:15 PM EST > To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] SHERWOOD/MARSHALL/JAMES/ROSSER > > David, > > MY BAD. I did skip a generation. You are right. It was Phillip Sherwood's daughter Sarah who married David Rosser, and THEIR daughter who married four times. Thanks for the correction. I do have it right on the NN tree, thank God. > > Craig > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:25 AM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > >> Craig, >> >> I thought Sarah Sherwood, daughter of Phillip Sherwood & Martha Pendleton married David Rosser? I then show they had a daughter Sarah who married the men you mentioned. Are you missing a generation? >> >> There's something interesting with the will of Thomas Marshall (died 1704 in Westmoreland). He bequeathed a heifer to Elizabeth Rosser. I think Mike Marshall believes this Elizabeth was actually a daughter of Thomas Marshall & Martha Sherwood who married Bridges Rozier/Rosser. She had a second marriage to Francis Redman. If this is correct, do you know the relationship of Bridges Rozier/Rosser to David Rosser? >> >> Thanks. >> >> David >> >> >> >> From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> >> To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List <VA-NORTHERN-NECK@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:52 PM >> Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] SHERWOOD/MARSHALL/JAMES/ROSSER >> >> Hi all, >> >> The recent discussion on Thomas Marshall and his wife Martha Sherwood motivated me to add a LITTLE more meat to what I had previously for Phillip Sherwood. I had heretofore only entered his daughter, much married Sarah who married (1) Henry Wood (2) WIlliam Willis (3) Rush Hudson and (4) Edward Turberville. >> >> I have now added his three other daughters who were: >> >> a. Mary Sherwood who married Francis James (d. 1721, King George County), his first wife >> b. Martha Sherwood who married Thomas Marshall, her first husband (d 1704, Westmoreland County). Her 2nd husband was Alexander Thompson. >> c. Ann Sherwood who married James Dabney of King William County >> >> With respect to Martha, and all due apologies who entered her as Mary Jane Pendleton Marshall, I deleted the person named Mary Jane Pendleton Marshall and thankfully she was not shown with any parents or other data, and replaced her with Martha Sherwood, daughter of Phillip Sherwood. (I have no idea who or how anyone came up with the name of someone born about 1660 with two middle names. I seriously doubt there is ANY record of her with that name. Certainly in 1685 when she and her husband were involved in chancery suit with her siblings to settle the estate of Phillip Sherwood. If there is evidence to support such a name, I will glad change it back.) >> >> I have more to add on Phillip Sherwood and his daughter Sarah, who are my direct ancestors, but I will not be adding anything to the Marshall or James lines as there are undoubtedly more well-versed people than I here on this list who can do that. Ann (Sherwood) Dabney is the one I know the least about, and don't plan to do anything with her descendants either. >> >> Cheers! >> Craig Kilby >> >> >> >

David, First, Rozier and Rosser are not to be confused, at least in this case. Davis ROSSER was indentured in Bristol, England and sent to Virginia for 4 years servitude in 1676. He died in 1698 leaving four daughters and a widow Margaret (his 2nd wife, but not the mother of his four children). Margaret married as her 2nd husband Francis James, who had been married to Mary Sherwood. It's a tight family. As you know, another of Philip Sherwoods daughters was Martha Sherwood who maried Thomas Marshall, her first husband. Elizabeth Rosser would have been Thomas Marshall's niece--daughter of David Rosser and Sarah Sherwood. I don't know where Mike Marshall came up with the conclusion that Elizabeth Rosser married Bridges Rozier/Rosser. Rozier is a legitimate surname but it is not ROSSER, which is English. Rozier was French Huguenot. I do not know who Elizabeth Rosser married. I only know she and her Rosser siblings were all minor in 1698 when guardianship of them (Elizabeth, Sarah, David and Mary Rosser) was given to Francis James and his wife Mary (Sherwood). On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:25 AM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > There's something interesting with the will of Thomas Marshall (died 1704 in Westmoreland). He bequeathed a heifer to Elizabeth Rosser. I think Mike Marshall believes this Elizabeth was actually a daughter of Thomas Marshall & Martha Sherwood who married Bridges Rozier/Rosser. She had a second marriage to Francis Redman. If this is correct, do you know the relationship of Bridges Rozier/Rosser to David Rosser?

Michael HALBERT listed below is my ancestor. His daughter Ann HALBERT m William REEDS, son of Samuel REEDS (d 1698 Westmoreland) and Mary, widow of Wm. SMITH d. 1671 Westmoreland. SMITH/REEDS lived at the head od Mattox Creek--aka Hallowes Creek, Appomattox Creek, Maddox Creek. In following land records I have determined that they lived across from Col. John WASHINGTON and probably lived next door to Nathaniel POPE. John WASHINGTON and Nicholas SPENCER were co-owners of what later became Mount Vernon. (both men listed below) The William MARSHALL listed below could well be the William MARSHALL of Westmoreland who m 1717 Elizabeth "Betty" WILLIAMS (1697-1768), dau of Jael HARRISON-WILLIAMS-JOHNSON who ran the ferry to Ferry Farm. Jael was the dau of Elizabeth PIGG-MOTT-HARRISON, widow of George MOTT (my ancestor) Francis WRIGHT, who is also listed) is probably Maj. Francis WRIGHT 1660-1713 who m 1682 Anne Pope WASHINGTON (yes, two names) Charlene REEDS-EBELING In a message dated 11/25/2012 9:52:59 A.M. Central Standard Time, dbrown544@prodigy.net writes: The following was excerpted from Mike Marshall's Rootsweb site at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I04768 BEGIN WESTMORELAND COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEEDS & WILLS. No. 8. Part 1; 1723-1738 {Antient Press}: pp 92 THIS INDENTURE made the 23d day of October in ye first year of ye Reign of our Sovereign Lord George ye 2d., by ye grace of God of Great Birttain France & Ireland. King Defender of the faith &c., And in ye year of our Lord God one thousand seven hundred & twenty seven. Between WILLIAM MARSHALL of ye County of KING and QUEEN in ye Colony of Virginia. Planter, of the one part and JOHN MARSHALL of ye County of Westmoreland in Virginia of the other part; Witnesseth that WILLIAM MARSHALL in consideration of ye sum of five shillings Sterling money of England to him in hand paid, ye receipt whereof he doth hereby acknowledge, hath and doth hereby bargain and sell unto JOHN MARSHALL his heirs all that tract of land (except ye parsell of Land wch: was sold out of it to MICHAEL HULBURT) scituate in Westmoreland County in Washington Parish on or near APPAMATOX CREEK & being part of a tract of land containing 1200 acres formerly granted to JNO: WASHINGTON &THO: POPE. Gent. by Patent dated the 4th September 1661. & by them lost for want of Seating & since granted to Coll. NICHOLAS SPENCER by Order Genii. Court dated September ye 21st 1668 & by ye sd. SPENCER assigned to ye sd JNO: WASHINGTON ye 9th of October 1669, which sd, two hundred acres was conveyed & sold to THOMAS MARSHALL by FRANCIS WRIGHT & afterwards acknowledged in Court by JOHN WRIGHT ye 28th day of May 1707, which two hundred acres of land be ye same more or less and bounded, Begining at a black Oak standing in ye Southermost line of ye sd. 1200 acres & being a corner tree of a line that divideth this two hundred acres from 100 acres of MICHAEL HULBARTs, extending along ye said Southermost line West two hundred poles to a marked red Oak, thence North 160 poles to another marked red Oak, thence East 200 poles to a black Oak of ye sd. HALBARTs finally by ye sd. HALBARTs to ye place it began, with all houses & all other things thereunto belonging: with the rents issues and profits thereof; To have and to hold the land & premises unto JOHN MARSHALL his heirs during the term of six month that by vertue thereof and of the Statute for transferring uses into possession, JOHN MARSHALL may be in the actual possession of the premises & might be enabled to take a release of the same to him his heirs, In Witness whereof the parties to these present Indentures interchangeably have set hands & seals ye day & year first above written Sealed and dd. in sight & presence of FRANCIS LACON, JANE LACON, WM: MARSHALL THOMAS THOMPSON Westmoreld. ss. At a Court held for the sd. County the 27th day of March 1728 WILLIAM MARSHALL personally acknowledged this Lease of Land by him passed to JOHN MARSHALL to be his proper act and ded, which at the instance of the sd, JOHN MARSHALL is admitted to Record Test G. TURBF_RVILE, C. C. W. Recorded the 29th day of March 1728 pr. G. T. C. C. W. END Don't know if we are talking the same Francis Wright, but interesting to see this name mentioned with both the Lancaster and Westmoreland Marshalls! I think Halbert may also be connected with both locations as well, but not sure. Thanks! David

If it's of any help...John Rozier b c 1604 in London and d 1660 in Westmoreland County...his descendants in the NN eventually used the spelling Rose. It's unlikely that Rozier and Rosser are the same family...and it's an unlikely transcription errors due to the "z". >________________________________ > From: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> >To: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com>; Northern Neck Northern Neck List <VA-NORTHERN-NECK@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:54 PM >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] SHERWOOD/MARSHALL/JAMES/ROSSER > >Craig, >  >Thanks for the e-mails and clarification on Phillip Sherwood's daughter Sarah. >  >As for Rozier/Rosser, let's just disregard Rozier and go with Rosser.  I pulled this record from Mike's Rootsweb site: >  >BEGIN >WESTMORELAND COUNTY, VIRGINIA ORDER BOOK, 1707-1709 {Antient Press}: pg 2 >Westmoreland County Court 26th of October 1709 >- CHANCELLOR &c v REDMAN &c. >Upon the Petition of THOMAS CHANCELLOR and KATHERINE his Wife, it is ordered that FRANCIS REDMAN (who intermarred with ELIZABETH Relict and Executrix of BRIDGES ROSSER, late deced.), be summoned to the next Court to be held for this county to answer the same >END >  >  >This Francis Redman is apparently a "kinsman" of the Lovells.   John "of the Forest" Marshall (another son of Thomas who died 1704) had a daughter who married into the Lovell family.  It would be great to figure out who this Elizabeth really is.   I feel like Mike may be correct that this Elizabeth who married Bridges Rosser and Francis Redman may have been another daughter of Thomas Marshall.   But, then again, perhaps she really is the Elizabeth Rosser, daughter of David Rosser & Sarah Sherwood. >  >Thanks. > >David >  >From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> >To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net>; Northern Neck Northern Neck List <VA-NORTHERN-NECK@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:11 AM >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] SHERWOOD/MARSHALL/JAMES/ROSSER > > >David, > >First, Rozier and Rosser are not to be confused, at least in this case. Davis ROSSER was indentured in Bristol, England and sent to Virginia for 4 years servitude in 1676. He died in 1698 leaving four daughters and a widow Margaret (his 2nd wife, but not the mother of his four children). Margaret married as her 2nd husband Francis James, who had been married to Mary Sherwood. It's a tight family. > >As you know, another of Philip Sherwoods daughters was Martha Sherwood who maried Thomas Marshall, her first husband. Elizabeth Rosser would have been Thomas Marshall's niece--daughter of David Rosser and Sarah Sherwood. > >I don't know where Mike Marshall came up with the conclusion that Elizabeth Rosser married Bridges Rozier/Rosser. Rozier is a legitimate surname but it is not ROSSER, which is English. Rozier was French Huguenot. I do not know who Elizabeth Rosser married. I only know she and her Rosser siblings were all minor in 1698 when guardianship of them (Elizabeth, Sarah, David and Mary Rosser) was given to Francis James and his wife Mary (Sherwood). > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thanks Charlene.   Yes, I agree that this William Marshall, who was son of Thomas who died in 1704 in Westmoreland and sold land inherited from Thomas to his brother John "of the forest," was married to Elizabeth "Betty" Williams.   William Marshall's children seem to have married into the Durrett, Estes, and Yates families among others.  From: "TEbel2888@aol.com" <TEbel2888@aol.com> To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Marshall--HALBERT, SPENCER, POPE--ID the Players The William MARSHALL listed below could well be the William MARSHALL of  Westmoreland who m  1717 Elizabeth "Betty" WILLIAMS (1697-1768), dau of  Jael HARRISON-WILLIAMS-JOHNSON who ran the ferry to Ferry Farm.  Jael was  the dau of Elizabeth PIGG-MOTT-HARRISON, widow of George MOTT (my  ancestor)