Craig, Thank you very very much! Is this Nathaniel Hedgman (the son) the Overseer for King Carter? Thanks Jim Burges -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:51 PM To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] 1699 will of Nathaniel Hedgman, Lancaster County, VA There is a will for a Nathaniel Hedgman, written 13 October 1699, in Lancaster County Virginia that was never recorded and was not abstracted in Ida J. Lee's book of Lancaster County Wills. The original is at the Library of Virginia in their bound volume of unrecorded wills and deeds, page 128 of the Library of Virginia volume of loose wills and deeds. He names in his will the following people: 1. Wife Margaret, sole executrix 2. Son Nathaniel Hedgman 3. Son Peter Hedgman 4. Daughter Elizabeth Thompson Signed by mark. Proved 1699. Witnesses Peter Killgore ?, Robert Schofield ? One other. These are nearly illegible. Hope this helps, Craig Kilby Others wrote: From: <col4rootdigr8@cox.net> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Has anyone transcribed to will of NathanielHedgman in I think it is Lancaster County, Virginia thanks Jim Burgess Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:52:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: <000501cdf6b0$289fca10$79df5e30$@com> It looks like it may be in Prince William or Stafford. Also there are 2 Nathaniel Hedgeman/Hedgman. Will continue to look tomorrow unless someone has answer for you. Sue Smith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Somebody asked in response to this message about the Doris Davison Collection: "Is there any easy way to get a list of primary research surnames? As I apparently did not make it clear when I wrote THESE HAVE NOT YET BEEN CATALOGED". These WILL BE catalogued. They are not YET cataloged. It is three boxes. We are NOT scanning these files at this time. We are happy to see if there even IS a file on a given surname. Send an email to info@mbwm.org and one of the volunteers will get back with you as soon as possible. There ARE three typed lists of the contents of each box. I do not not think we are at the stage yet to publish this list. Bear with us. You may of course send a query to our library at info@mbwm.org. Certain fees may apply. Craig Kilby Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote:By "out of area" I should add that in most cases that can be as near as Amelia County,Virginia or as far away as Texas or Missouri. Obviously, it is is heavy on Tennessee and Kentucky but by no means restricted to a purely Western migration pattern. It all depended on who her clients were and how they were tracking back to the Northern Neck. On Jan 25, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > We have not talked about this for sometime, but I wanted to give all of you an update on what the Mary Ball Washington Museum & Library has done/ is doing with the voluminous papers of the late the Doris Davison, genealogist of the Northern Neck, whose family donated them to us. > > (1) the library ordered a special stamp saying "Doris Davison Collection" for all of the papers that were: > (2) interfiled in existing family files (i.e. vertical files, loose papers) already at the library. These were for Northern Neck families > (3) three large boxes remained for "out of area" research she did. These have not yet been cataloged but will remain a separate collection. A typed list of the contents, by box, has been done.

Is there any easy way to get a list of primary research surnames?Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote:By "out of area" I should add that in most cases that can be as near as Amelia County,Virginia or as far away as Texas or Missouri. Obviously, it is is heavy on Tennessee and Kentucky but by no means restricted to a purely Western migration pattern. It all depended on who her clients were and how they were tracking back to the Northern Neck. On Jan 25, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > We have not talked about this for sometime, but I wanted to give all of you an update on what the Mary Ball Washington Museum & Library has done/ is doing with the voluminous papers of the late the Doris Davison, genealogist of the Northern Neck, whose family donated them to us. > > (1) the library ordered a special stamp saying "Doris Davison Collection" for all of the papers that were: > (2) interfiled in existing family files (i.e. vertical files, loose papers) already at the library. These were for Northern Neck families > (3) three large boxes remained for "out of area" research she did. These have not yet been cataloged but will remain a separate collection. A typed list of the contents, by box, has been done. They will be cataloged by surname with the notation as to which box they are in. The boxes are at the library. For example, in Box #2, are three folders just on the Northcutt family. Since that happens to be one of my lines, I immediately perked up on this. > > We hope to make this available on our on-line catalog in the near future. Keep in mind that much of this material is what Ms. Davison found in already published books, and there is quite a bit of personal correspondence that is not necessarily revealing (receipts, bills and invoices), and final and compiled reports are rare. These are working papers. Still, this should be a great boon to many researchers. > > Your Friend, > Craig Kilby ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

By "out of area" I should add that in most cases that can be as near as Amelia County,Virginia or as far away as Texas or Missouri. Obviously, it is is heavy on Tennessee and Kentucky but by no means restricted to a purely Western migration pattern. It all depended on who her clients were and how they were tracking back to the Northern Neck. On Jan 25, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > We have not talked about this for sometime, but I wanted to give all of you an update on what the Mary Ball Washington Museum & Library has done/ is doing with the voluminous papers of the late the Doris Davison, genealogist of the Northern Neck, whose family donated them to us. > > (1) the library ordered a special stamp saying "Doris Davison Collection" for all of the papers that were: > (2) interfiled in existing family files (i.e. vertical files, loose papers) already at the library. These were for Northern Neck families > (3) three large boxes remained for "out of area" research she did. These have not yet been cataloged but will remain a separate collection. A typed list of the contents, by box, has been done. They will be cataloged by surname with the notation as to which box they are in. The boxes are at the library. For example, in Box #2, are three folders just on the Northcutt family. Since that happens to be one of my lines, I immediately perked up on this. > > We hope to make this available on our on-line catalog in the near future. Keep in mind that much of this material is what Ms. Davison found in already published books, and there is quite a bit of personal correspondence that is not necessarily revealing (receipts, bills and invoices), and final and compiled reports are rare. These are working papers. Still, this should be a great boon to many researchers. > > Your Friend, > Craig Kilby

We have not talked about this for sometime, but I wanted to give all of you an update on what the Mary Ball Washington Museum & Library has done/ is doing with the voluminous papers of the late the Doris Davison, genealogist of the Northern Neck, whose family donated them to us. (1) the library ordered a special stamp saying "Doris Davison Collection" for all of the papers that were: (2) interfiled in existing family files (i.e. vertical files, loose papers) already at the library. These were for Northern Neck families (3) three large boxes remained for "out of area" research she did. These have not yet been cataloged but will remain a separate collection. A typed list of the contents, by box, has been done. They will be cataloged by surname with the notation as to which box they are in. The boxes are at the library. For example, in Box #2, are three folders just on the Northcutt family. Since that happens to be one of my lines, I immediately perked up on this. We hope to make this available on our on-line catalog in the near future. Keep in mind that much of this material is what Ms. Davison found in already published books, and there is quite a bit of personal correspondence that is not necessarily revealing (receipts, bills and invoices), and final and compiled reports are rare. These are working papers. Still, this should be a great boon to many researchers. Your Friend, Craig Kilby

I don't believe that discussions of the religious beliefs of our forbears constitutes political discussion. This is our history! -----Original Message----- >From: Marilyn Brien <brien@satx.rr.com> >Sent: Jan 21, 2013 12:48 PM >To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Statute of Religious Freedom and NorthumberlandCounty > >Thank you, Craig, for your post on religious freedom. All of us are >familiar with Roger Williams, but the Northern Neck's own Baptist minister, >John Leland. His influence on James Madison and subsequently on the Bill of >Rights is mostly unknown. I became aware of his fascinating story only a >year ago. I don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but we >certainly should be aware of the struggles of our early patriots to ensure >religious freedom. > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim Are your Taliaferros fm Lexington VA area? On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Jim Burgess < jimburgess@virginiasurnames.com> wrote: > Taliaferro -- Douglas Burnett Satellite Beach FL As a member of the Association of Professional Genealogists (APG), the National Genealogical Society (NGS), the Florida State Genealogical Society(FSGS) and the Virginia Genealogical Society(VGS), I support and adhere to the APG's Code of Ethics.

No my Taliaferro Families are in Richmond, Essex and Old Rappahannock. Thanks Jim Burgesss -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Burnett Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 7:50 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] I have not heard if we have the will of Nathaniel Hedgman Jim Are your Taliaferros fm Lexington VA area? On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Jim Burgess < jimburgess@virginiasurnames.com> wrote: > Taliaferro -- Douglas Burnett Satellite Beach FL As a member of the Association of Professional Genealogists (APG), the National Genealogical Society (NGS), the Florida State Genealogical Society(FSGS) and the Virginia Genealogical Society(VGS), I support and adhere to the APG's Code of Ethics. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, These names are so familiar to me. I am a Hedgman, Price and Taliaferro descendant. Dr Bourne brought me into this world with the help of my mother. My wife is a descendant of Bridges Freeman (we think) Thanks Jim Burgess www.virginiasurnames.com -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DAVID BROWN Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 1:26 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Thornton and Strother Thanks Jim. I still have a long way to go in order to prove a connection to Taliaferro although I feel like it could be there through this Mary MNU who married George Proctor (via her Price/Bourne family). By the way, did you get an answer on Nathaniel Hedgeman? The Hedgemans sold land to my ancestor James Freeman, I. The land was located in Prince William at the time, but it later became Fauquier Co. The son of James Freeman, I was James Freeman, II who supposedly first married Mary Clarke Compton and then married secondly to Margaret Williams, whose grandmother was Jane Pope, daughter of Nathaniel Pope and Jane Browne. Apparently, Jane (Pope) Williams had a sister named Elizabeth Pope who married Bourne Price, son (I think) of Edward Price, Sr. (died c.1696) and Ann Bourne, relative of Andrew Bourne who was married to Christian Taliaferro. Thanks. David --- On Mon, 1/21/13, Jim Burgess <jimburgess@virginiasurnames.com> wrote: From: Jim Burgess <jimburgess@virginiasurnames.com> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Thornton and Strother To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, January 21, 2013, 9:03 AM David, I am most interested in Francis Thornton. Also interested in the Catlett, Mnu, Talifaferro, Presley, Hawkins and Mott. It is interesting that I am a descendant of all of the above families, but pick them up from earlier generations. For us to be successful, we probably need to understand all of the generations. I have a cousin who is a Strother generation. Thanks Jim Burgess Ugh I have to go to work! -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DAVID BROWN Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:02 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Fw: Re: William Strother & Connections to George Proctor and Proctor's Son-in-Law Elias Sharp --- On Sun, 1/20/13, DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> wrote: From: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] William Strother & Connections to George Proctor and Proctor's Son-in-Law Elias Sharp To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, January 20, 2013, 10:52 PM Hi Jim, Not sure if it's relevant to your research, but William Strother sold land to my ancestor George Proctor in 1725 per the record posted below (hope the link pasted below still works). George Proctor's son-in-law, Elias Sharp, was witness to the will of William Thornton, which you have posted as well. George Proctor's wife was Mary MNU. We have speculated that Mary (wife of George Proctor) may have had maiden name of Francis; however, a more recent theory is that Mary MNU, wife of George Proctor, may have been the daughter of Edward Price & wife Anne whose maiden name was supposedly Bourne. Anne (Bourne) Price married secondly to Walter Francis who deeded land to George Proctor. In 1696, one of the witnesses named to the will of Edward Price was Andrew Bourne, whose wife was Christian Taliaferro (after the death of Andrew Bourne, Christian married secondly to Henry Johnson, whose daughter Elizabeth, I believe, married John Bourne, whose daughter Christian Bourne married William Tapp and had land record witnessed by Elias Sharp, son-in-law of George Proctor and Mary MNU). Thanks. David SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY RECORDS -- Octr. 1, 1725. William Strother of King George Co., planter, to George Proctor of Spts. Co., planter. £100 ster., 1500 a. in Spotsylvania Co., on ye Branches of ye Hasell Run— "it being the fourth part of a grant to Wm. Cocke, Esqr., Chickley Corbin Thacker, Francis Thornton, junr., and William Strother, party to these presents, in joynt partnership," by patent dated Deer. 20, 1718, joining the lands of Majr. Augustine Smith, Buckner & Rashton, and Mann Page, Esqr. Witnesses: Henry Conyers, Moseley Battaley, William x Hackny. Rec. Oct. 5, 1725. SOURCE: http://books.google.com/books?id=h0obAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA221&lpg=PA221&dq=%22augustine+smith%22+%22george+proctor%22&source=bl&ots=GhZXzVUHdx&sig=IBWMRsHDVOXpz3SXTcTqUAkWDHQ&hl=en&ei=4qIVS9-3Os-UtgekgJX9BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22augustine%20smith%22%20%22george%20proctor%22&f=false “1 Mar 1736. Deed of Release. William Tapp of St. Mark Parish, Orange Co planter for 20 pounds sold and released to George Nix of St. George parish, Spotsylvania Co planter a 175 a tr of land (in St. George Parish)….Wit to receipt: Henery Sparkes, Elias Sharp, Thomas Elson. Ackn 7 Jun 1737 by William Tapp & Christian his wife & admitted to record. Attest: John Waller Clk. (Pg 233)” SOURCE: “Spotsylvania County, Virginia Deed Books 1734-1751” Abstracted & Edited by Mary Marshall Brewer, Colonial Roots --- On Sat, 1/19/13, Jim Burgess <jimburgess@virginiasurnames.com> wrote: King George County, Virginia Will Book A-1 1721-1752 William Strother Will 7 Apr 1726 page 40-41 In the Name of God Amen. I William Strother Senr of Hanover Parish in the County of King George being sicke and weak of body but of perfect sense and memory blessed be to God theretofore doe make this my last Will and Testament in manner and form following: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow. I was are there was "slight" boundary change between Westmoreland and Northumberland Counties in 1664, but I had no idea to its extent. Going through the back-issues of *The Bulletin of the Northumberland County Historical Society" I find an article in the 1979 magazine titled "Early English Settlers On Machodac Creek in Westmoreland County" written by Rev. George William Belae (1842-1921) "seventy five years ago" (i.e., 1904). In a footnote by the editor, it is noted "Dr. Beale failed to point out that these 'early settlers' were originally Northumbrians. Even after the formation of Westmorelan County in 1653, the boundary of Northumberland stretched to Machodoc Creek. It is thought that this was arranged through the influence of Col. Richard Lee so that his 'Machotic' lands remained in Northumberland. After his death in 1664, the boundary was lowered from Machodoc to Hamton Hall Creek, a branch of the Yeocomico River." There is not authorship to this "Editorial Note." The editor of this magazine is not given, but it was almost certainly J. Motley Booker or his close friend, Dr. James F. Lewis who were the stalwarts of the NNCHS at the time, and frequent contributors to the magazine's content. Interesting, to say the least. Craig Kilby

Thanks Jim.  I still have a long way to go in order to prove a connection to Taliaferro although I feel like it could be there through this Mary MNU who married George Proctor (via her Price/Bourne family). By the way, did you get an answer on Nathaniel Hedgeman?  The Hedgemans sold land to my ancestor James Freeman, I.   The land was located in Prince William at the time, but it later became Fauquier Co.   The son of James Freeman, I was James Freeman, II who supposedly first married Mary Clarke Compton and then married secondly to Margaret Williams, whose grandmother was Jane Pope, daughter of Nathaniel Pope and Jane Browne.   Apparently, Jane (Pope) Williams had a sister named Elizabeth Pope who married Bourne Price, son (I think) of Edward Price, Sr. (died c.1696) and Ann Bourne, relative of Andrew Bourne who was married to Christian Taliaferro. Thanks. David --- On Mon, 1/21/13, Jim Burgess <jimburgess@virginiasurnames.com> wrote: From: Jim Burgess <jimburgess@virginiasurnames.com> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Thornton and Strother To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, January 21, 2013, 9:03 AM David, I am most interested in Francis Thornton.   Also interested in the Catlett, Mnu, Talifaferro, Presley, Hawkins and Mott. It is interesting that I am a descendant of all of the above families, but pick them up from earlier generations.   For us to be successful, we probably need to understand all of the generations. I have a cousin who is a Strother generation. Thanks Jim Burgess Ugh I have to go to work! -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DAVID BROWN Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:02 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Fw: Re: William Strother & Connections to George Proctor and Proctor's Son-in-Law Elias Sharp --- On Sun, 1/20/13, DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> wrote: From: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] William Strother & Connections to George Proctor and Proctor's Son-in-Law Elias Sharp To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, January 20, 2013, 10:52 PM Hi Jim, Not sure if it's relevant to your research, but William Strother sold land to my ancestor George Proctor in 1725 per the record posted below (hope the link pasted below still works).    George Proctor's son-in-law, Elias Sharp, was witness to the will of William Thornton, which you have posted as well. George Proctor's wife  was Mary MNU.  We  have speculated that Mary (wife of George Proctor) may have had maiden name of Francis; however, a more recent theory is that Mary MNU, wife of George Proctor, may have been the daughter of Edward Price & wife Anne whose maiden name was supposedly Bourne.   Anne (Bourne) Price married secondly to Walter Francis who deeded land to George Proctor.   In 1696, one of the witnesses named to the will of Edward Price was Andrew Bourne, whose wife was Christian Taliaferro (after the death of Andrew Bourne, Christian married secondly to Henry Johnson, whose daughter Elizabeth, I believe, married John Bourne, whose daughter Christian Bourne married William Tapp and had land record witnessed by Elias Sharp, son-in-law of George Proctor and Mary MNU). Thanks. David SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY RECORDS -- Octr. 1, 1725. William Strother of King George Co., planter, to George Proctor of Spts. Co., planter. £100 ster., 1500 a. in Spotsylvania Co., on ye Branches of ye Hasell Run— "it being the fourth part of a grant to Wm. Cocke, Esqr., Chickley Corbin Thacker, Francis Thornton, junr., and William Strother, party to these presents, in joynt partnership," by patent dated Deer. 20, 1718, joining the lands of Majr. Augustine Smith, Buckner & Rashton, and Mann Page, Esqr. Witnesses: Henry Conyers, Moseley Battaley, William x Hackny. Rec. Oct. 5, 1725. SOURCE:  http://books.google.com/books?id=h0obAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA221&lpg=PA221&dq=%22augustine+smith%22+%22george+proctor%22&source=bl&ots=GhZXzVUHdx&sig=IBWMRsHDVOXpz3SXTcTqUAkWDHQ&hl=en&ei=4qIVS9-3Os-UtgekgJX9BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22augustine%20smith%22%20%22george%20proctor%22&f=false “1 Mar 1736. Deed of Release.  William Tapp of St. Mark Parish, Orange Co planter for 20 pounds sold and released to George Nix of St. George parish, Spotsylvania Co planter a 175 a tr of land (in St. George Parish)….Wit to receipt:  Henery Sparkes, Elias Sharp, Thomas Elson.  Ackn 7 Jun 1737 by William Tapp & Christian his wife & admitted to record.   Attest: John Waller Clk.  (Pg 233)”    SOURCE: “Spotsylvania County, Virginia Deed Books 1734-1751” Abstracted & Edited by Mary Marshall Brewer, Colonial Roots --- On Sat, 1/19/13, Jim Burgess <jimburgess@virginiasurnames.com> wrote: King George County, Virginia Will Book A-1 1721-1752 William Strother Will 7 Apr 1726 page 40-41 In the Name of God Amen. I William Strother Senr of Hanover Parish in the County of King George being sicke and weak of body but of perfect sense and memory blessed be to God theretofore doe make this my last Will and Testament in manner and form following: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Craig, for your post on religious freedom. All of us are familiar with Roger Williams, but the Northern Neck's own Baptist minister, John Leland. His influence on James Madison and subsequently on the Bill of Rights is mostly unknown. I became aware of his fascinating story only a year ago. I don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but we certainly should be aware of the struggles of our early patriots to ensure religious freedom.

David, I am most interested in Francis Thornton. Also interested in the Catlett, Mnu, Talifaferro, Presley, Hawkins and Mott. It is interesting that I am a descendant of all of the above families, but pick them up from earlier generations. For us to be successful, we probably need to understand all of the generations. I have a cousin who is a Strother generation. Thanks Jim Burgess Ugh I have to go to work! -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DAVID BROWN Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:02 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Fw: Re: William Strother & Connections to George Proctor and Proctor's Son-in-Law Elias Sharp --- On Sun, 1/20/13, DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> wrote: From: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] William Strother & Connections to George Proctor and Proctor's Son-in-Law Elias Sharp To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, January 20, 2013, 10:52 PM Hi Jim, Not sure if it's relevant to your research, but William Strother sold land to my ancestor George Proctor in 1725 per the record posted below (hope the link pasted below still works). George Proctor's son-in-law, Elias Sharp, was witness to the will of William Thornton, which you have posted as well. George Proctor's wife was Mary MNU. We have speculated that Mary (wife of George Proctor) may have had maiden name of Francis; however, a more recent theory is that Mary MNU, wife of George Proctor, may have been the daughter of Edward Price & wife Anne whose maiden name was supposedly Bourne. Anne (Bourne) Price married secondly to Walter Francis who deeded land to George Proctor. In 1696, one of the witnesses named to the will of Edward Price was Andrew Bourne, whose wife was Christian Taliaferro (after the death of Andrew Bourne, Christian married secondly to Henry Johnson, whose daughter Elizabeth, I believe, married John Bourne, whose daughter Christian Bourne married William Tapp and had land record witnessed by Elias Sharp, son-in-law of George Proctor and Mary MNU). Thanks. David SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY RECORDS -- Octr. 1, 1725. William Strother of King George Co., planter, to George Proctor of Spts. Co., planter. £100 ster., 1500 a. in Spotsylvania Co., on ye Branches of ye Hasell Run— "it being the fourth part of a grant to Wm. Cocke, Esqr., Chickley Corbin Thacker, Francis Thornton, junr., and William Strother, party to these presents, in joynt partnership," by patent dated Deer. 20, 1718, joining the lands of Majr. Augustine Smith, Buckner & Rashton, and Mann Page, Esqr. Witnesses: Henry Conyers, Moseley Battaley, William x Hackny. Rec. Oct. 5, 1725. SOURCE: http://books.google.com/books?id=h0obAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA221&lpg=PA221&dq=%22augustine+smith%22+%22george+proctor%22&source=bl&ots=GhZXzVUHdx&sig=IBWMRsHDVOXpz3SXTcTqUAkWDHQ&hl=en&ei=4qIVS9-3Os-UtgekgJX9BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22augustine%20smith%22%20%22george%20proctor%22&f=false “1 Mar 1736. Deed of Release. William Tapp of St. Mark Parish, Orange Co planter for 20 pounds sold and released to George Nix of St. George parish, Spotsylvania Co planter a 175 a tr of land (in St. George Parish)….Wit to receipt: Henery Sparkes, Elias Sharp, Thomas Elson. Ackn 7 Jun 1737 by William Tapp & Christian his wife & admitted to record. Attest: John Waller Clk. (Pg 233)” SOURCE: “Spotsylvania County, Virginia Deed Books 1734-1751” Abstracted & Edited by Mary Marshall Brewer, Colonial Roots --- On Sat, 1/19/13, Jim Burgess <jimburgess@virginiasurnames.com> wrote: King George County, Virginia Will Book A-1 1721-1752 William Strother Will 7 Apr 1726 page 40-41 In the Name of God Amen. I William Strother Senr of Hanover Parish in the County of King George being sicke and weak of body but of perfect sense and memory blessed be to God theretofore doe make this my last Will and Testament in manner and form following: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes I do Jim. It is not to far from where I live. Its on Fall Hill Ave. Straight across Rt 3 and down the hill. There's a long driveway to the property so you can`t see it. If you google Fall Hill Plantation you can get a picture of the it .Also, the Francis Thornton grave stone I sent you I had thought might be the Francis Thornton of Fall Hill. I have to go back to the cemetery and see what it says. I was thinking this was our family. I will try and get down there to get pictures if possible. Jeanne Ratliff -----Original Message----- From: Jim Burgess <jimburgess@virginiasurnames.com> To: va-northern-neck <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 10:18 pm Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Marsha - This is very interesting. Thanks Jeanne Ratliff lives in Fredericksburg. Jeanne Do you know where this land is? thanks Jim Burgess -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of marsha moses Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:01 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Notes on Francis Thornton from Jim Burgess When I read the below on Friday, I kept thinking ....hmmmm.....I know more about the land being left by Francis Thornton to his sons in the will sent to the list by Jim Burgess. To satisfy my own curiosity on this, I posted a blog entry today about the land. If you are interested, you can view at: http://www.marshamoses.blogspot.com This particular entry can always be reached with today's date: January 20, 2013. I love to be proven wrong, corrected, have imperfections pointed out.....so if you see mistakes or have anything to add, please feel free to add a comment or to e-mail me directly. I am pretty new to this blogging "stuff", so I am glad to hear any comments that will make my information more helpful to myself and to others. marsha moses On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:13 PM, "Jim Burgess" <jimburgess@virginiasurnames.com> wrote: > King George County, Virginia Will Book A-1 1721-1752 George Harrison > King Fredericksburg, Virginia 1978 page 48. > > Will of Francis Thornton > In the Name of God Amen. I Francis Thornton of the County of King > George considering the frailty of this mortal life and being sick and > weak in body but of sound and perfect sense and memory praised be God > for the same doe make nd Ordain this my last will and Testament in manner and form following: > ( #) > > Imprimis: I give to my two sons Francis Thornton and Rowland > Thornton all my tract of land at the foot of the Lower Falls of > Rappahannock River containing Eight Hundred & Odd acres which I > purchased of Mr John Hawkins, my son Francis to have the upper part > and my son Rowland the lower part of the said land by equal portions > as it is already divided. The said land with all its appurtenances > and I give and bequeath to my said two sons Francis and Rowland to them or either of them their heirs forever. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Going through back-issues of The Bulletin of the Northumberland County Historical Society and cataloging them article-by-article gives me pause to find some real gems here and there. One of them is in Vol. 14 (1977), titled "Northumberland and the Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom." Now I know it is all the rage for some these days for some to say the U.S. was and is and Christian nation. Many of us who study history, especially Virginia history, would respectfully disagree. Of all the things Thomas Jefferson was most proud of, he only wanted three of them put on his tombstone: Author of the Declaration of American Independence, Author of The Statute for Religious Freedom and Father of the University of Virginia. On 28 November [year blank, but no doubt 1785] 112 men from Northumberland County sent a petition to the General Assembly protesting a recent act taxing the citizens to pay for "Christian" teachers. A good many of the signers were well-known Baptists. (Not a surprise to those well versed in Baptist history and beliefs.) Their protests was not so much anti-Christian as it was anti-establishment of any state religion. The "Whereas" preamble recites that the General Assembly had recently passed a statute "obliging the inhabitants of this state to pay the Teachers of the Christian Religion" and goes on in the "therefore" clause to explain their objections, saying they believe it "to be contrary to the Spirit of the Gospel and the bill of Rights; and that Legislatures should not assume the power of Establishing modes of Religion....." and "Certain it is that the Holy author of our Religion not only supported and maintained his Gospel in the world for several hundred years without the aid of Civil Power, but against all the Powers on the Earth...." and it goes on with wonderful words of protest from there. I am reminded of the old adage: People want their legislators to be Christians, but they don't want Christians to be their legislators." What a wonderful reminder from the past on just what the Separation of Church and State truly meant to our forefathers. I wish more people today would pay heed to it. It is the basis for the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, i.e., the Bill of Rights. You can learn more about this at the First Freedom Center in Richmond, VA: http://www.firstfreedom.org/ Craig Kilby

King George County, Virginia Will Book A-1 1721-1752 Will of Rowland Thornton pages 147-149 In the Name of God Amen. I Rowland Thornton of the Parish of Hanover in the County, of King George being of perfect sense and memory do make and ordain this to be my last Will & Testament in tha manner and form following: Imprimis: I give to my son Francis Thornton all my land lying in Spotsylvania County near the Great Falls as also one tract of land lying in King George County containing three hundred acres, it being the land whereon he now dwells which said two tracts of land I give to my son Francis and his heirs forever. Item: I give to my loving wife Elizabeth Thornton the following five Negroes, viz: Frank, Robin, Peter, Caesar and Bess to her and her heirs forever. I also give to my said wife the use of my two Negroes Joe and Jemmy during her life and after her decease and after and my daughter Alcey to have Negro Joe. I also give to my loving wife Elizabeth her first choice of thirty head of cattle our of my whole stock together with all my stock of hogs as also all my household goods with all my personal estate both in Virginia and England to enable her to pay my debts and legacy's except such particulars as I shall hereafter give to my children. Item: My will and desire is that my wife Elizabeth have the use of my dwelling plantation with all the land belonging to it on the Upper side of Crow's Swamp during her natural life and to my son Francis and his heirs forever. Item: I give and bequeath to my daughter Elizabeth Thornton my whole right title property and interest (to purchase I made jointly with Colonel John Catlett my wife's Father) one moiety of five hundred acres of land lying in Caroline and being the land Dorothy Roy now dwells on which said moiety of land containing two hundred and fifty acres (if recovered from the heirs of Charles Smith who mortgaged the same to Micajah Perry, Merchant in London, of whom the said Catlett and I made the purchase), I give to my daughter Elizabeth and her heirs forever. And in case the law is such that the said land be not recovered from the heirs of the said Charles Smith, then I give to my daughter Elizabeth all the Money that shall or may be recovered by virtue of the said purchased mortgage. Item: I give to my daughter Elizabeth the following twelve negroes, Viz" Tom, Kate, Little Bess, Stephen, Sias, Hannibal, Judy, Grace, Moll alias Poll, Ben, Ralph and Phillis. Item: I give to my daughter Elizabeth, Thirty Pounds Sterling, also a good feather bed and furniture and a black horse called Button with her side saddle and furniture, a mare called Phenix, and her next choice of eight head of cattle after her mother. I also give to my daughter Elizabeth, Negro Jemmy after my wife's decease. Item: My will is that my daughter Alcey have the use of my quarter with the land adjoining to it below Crow's Swamp until she marries, then I give the said land to my son Francis and his heirs forever. Item: I give and bequeath unto my daughter Alicey the following fourteen Negroes, viz: Caesar, Flora, Frank, Nan, Milly, Ester, Bristol, Sibby, Jeffrey, Harry, Titus, Mariah, Davy and Jenny. I also give to my daughter Alcey her choice of eight head of the remaining part of my cattle with one good feather bed and furniture and five pounds sterling to buy her a side saddle. I also give to my daughter Negro Joe after my wife's decease. Item: I give to my son Francis the remaining part of my negroes not herein bequeathed and fifty pounds Sterling together with the remaining part of my Negroes not herein bequeathed and fifty pounds Sterling together with the remaining part of my cattle and also my new gun, pistolls, holsters, scimeter and new trooping saddle. Item: My will is that my estate be not appraised. And lastly if constitute and appoint my loving brother Anthony Thornton and my son Francis Thornton Executors of this my Last Will & Testament hereby making void all wills by me heretofore made. In Witness whereof I have hereunto sett my hand and seale this 21st Day of September 1741. Rowland Thornton ***Seale*** Sign'd Sealed, Published and Declared) to be his Last Will & Testament in ) the Presence of us - - - - Test: Wm Mackay John Moore At a Court held for King George County the fifth day of March 1741. presented into Court by Francis Thornton his Executor who made oath thereto and the same proved by the oath of William Mackay and John Moore and admitted to record. Cop: a Test. T. Turner Cl: Cur:

--- On Sun, 1/20/13, DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> wrote: From: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] William Strother & Connections to George Proctor and Proctor's Son-in-Law Elias Sharp To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, January 20, 2013, 10:52 PM Hi Jim, Not sure if it's relevant to your research, but William Strother sold land to my ancestor George Proctor in 1725 per the record posted below (hope the link pasted below still works).    George Proctor's son-in-law, Elias Sharp, was witness to the will of William Thornton, which you have posted as well. George Proctor's wife  was Mary MNU.  We  have speculated that Mary (wife of George Proctor) may have had maiden name of Francis; however, a more recent theory is that Mary MNU, wife of George Proctor, may have been the daughter of Edward Price & wife Anne whose maiden name was supposedly Bourne.   Anne (Bourne) Price married secondly to Walter Francis who deeded land to George Proctor.   In 1696, one of the witnesses named to the will of Edward Price was Andrew Bourne, whose wife was Christian Taliaferro (after the death of Andrew Bourne, Christian married secondly to Henry Johnson, whose daughter Elizabeth, I believe, married John Bourne, whose daughter Christian Bourne married William Tapp and had land record witnessed by Elias Sharp, son-in-law of George Proctor and Mary MNU). Thanks. David SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY RECORDS -- Octr. 1, 1725. William Strother of King George Co., planter, to George Proctor of Spts. Co., planter. £100 ster., 1500 a. in Spotsylvania Co., on ye Branches of ye Hasell Run— "it being the fourth part of a grant to Wm. Cocke, Esqr., Chickley Corbin Thacker, Francis Thornton, junr., and William Strother, party to these presents, in joynt partnership," by patent dated Deer. 20, 1718, joining the lands of Majr. Augustine Smith, Buckner & Rashton, and Mann Page, Esqr. Witnesses: Henry Conyers, Moseley Battaley, William x Hackny. Rec. Oct. 5, 1725.   SOURCE:  http://books.google.com/books?id=h0obAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA221&lpg=PA221&dq=%22augustine+smith%22+%22george+proctor%22&source=bl&ots=GhZXzVUHdx&sig=IBWMRsHDVOXpz3SXTcTqUAkWDHQ&hl=en&ei=4qIVS9-3Os-UtgekgJX9BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22augustine%20smith%22%20%22george%20proctor%22&f=false “1 Mar 1736. Deed of Release.  William Tapp of St. Mark Parish, Orange Co planter for 20 pounds sold and released to George Nix of St. George parish, Spotsylvania Co planter a 175 a tr of land (in St. George Parish)….Wit to receipt:  Henery Sparkes, Elias Sharp, Thomas Elson.  Ackn 7 Jun 1737 by William Tapp & Christian his wife & admitted to record.   Attest:  John Waller Clk.  (Pg 233)”    SOURCE:   “Spotsylvania County, Virginia Deed Books 1734-1751” Abstracted & Edited by Mary Marshall Brewer, Colonial Roots  --- On Sat, 1/19/13, Jim Burgess <jimburgess@virginiasurnames.com> wrote: King George County, Virginia Will Book A-1 1721-1752 William Strother Will 7 Apr 1726 page 40-41 In the Name of God Amen. I William Strother Senr of Hanover Parish in the County of King George being sicke and weak of body but of perfect sense and memory blessed be to God theretofore doe make this my last Will and Testament in manner and form following:

In my last post, I corrected our NN ancestry.com to reflect that it was Elizabeth Rodham who married Richard Kenner and Hannah Rodham who married Christopher Neale. I mentioned, but did not name, two other of his four known daughters. They were named in the will of their mother as Susannah and Mary. Of Mary nothing further is known. Susannah married Robert Mason, who was executor to her will. I have inputted the children as given in the lengthy article by C. D. Cochran and published in the 1975 (Vol. 12) issue of The Bulletin of the Northumberland County Historical Society. The question has come about a fictional daughter "Sarah Rodham" who married a Claudius "Cloud" TRUSSELL. There is probably some link to this family, but the evidence is lacking that Matthew Rodham had any daughter named Sarah. If there is a Trussell family link, it would most likely be through a sister of Matthew Rodham, and go back to his days at Kent Island. Just throwing this out. I'm also interested to learn how we know that the wife of Matthew Rodham was Elizabeth HEWLITT. Craig Kilby

I hope it is ok to post this Will of Anthony Thornton from Stafford County, Virginia. Thanks Jim Burgess Stafford County, Virginia Will Book page 331 Anthony Thornton son of Francis Thornton and Alice Savage In Name of God Amen I Anthony Thornton of Stafford County being in perfect sence do make this my last will & testament. Imprimis I give to my son Presly Thornton the several negroes he has in his possession to which I have a Title in right of my wife with their several increased except Negro Grace and her children which I have before given and do now confirm to my son Francis and his heirs forever. Item I give to my beloved wife Winnefred the tract of land whereon I now live during her natural life, & after her deceased to my son Francis & his heirs. Item I give to my son Anthony Thornton all the Land I have at the Mountains to him and heirs. Item I give to my daughter Winnefred Bernard a tract of land on Nash run in Spotsylvania County contianing 650 acres to her & her heirs of her body. Item I give to my son Peter Thornton a tract of land on Mattopony containing 1313 acres to him and heirs forever with all the negroes, stock of cattle, hogs, horses and all other things on the said plantation I also give to my son Peter ten head of young cattle from the Plantation I now live on together with Negroes Jacob, Rachael , Roger & Violet to him and heirs. Item I give to my wife Winnefred a Tract of low ground where on William Conner now lives during her life and after her death to my son Anthony and heirs. Item I give to my said wife negroes James, Sarah, a boy Billy & little Jenny durig her life and after her death to my son Peter & heirs Item I give the rest of my negroes not before disposed to my said wife to be at her disposal, together with my stocks of horses cattle hogs & sheep. Item I give the rest of my estate to be equally divided between my wife and my son Peter Thornton. My desire is that my estate shall not be appraised. Lastly I appoint my son Peter Thornton Executor of this my last will & Testament...3 January 1757 Jacob Johnston Martha Whiting, Maxfield Whiting Anthony THORNTON At Court held for Stafford County 8th November 1757. Last will produced in Court....proved......certificate granted for obtaining probate.......

Will of William THORNTON 3 Nov 1742 of King George County, Virginia son of Francis Thornton and Alice Savage In the Name of God Amen. I William THORNTON of King George County and Parish of Brunswick, Gentleman, being sick and weak in body but of sound perfect and disposing mind memory and understanding. Praised be Almighty God for the same, do make and declare this my Last Will and testament in manner and form following (that is to say) First and principally I commend my soul into the hands of Almighty God my Creator and by the Merits of his son Jesus Christ my Redeemer I hope for the Enjoyments of a Heavenly Being. Item: I give and bequeath unto Frances ROBINSON my granddaughter the following slaves, Punch, Venus and her child Lucy, Hannah, Primus, Cato Mingo, Jack and Dafeny. I also give unto my said granddaughter all that tract or parcel of land in Prince William County at the Great Marsh whereon William Hackney and John Jones now live containing five hundred acres of land more or less. Item: I give and bequeath unto my grandson William ROBINSON THE following slaves Dick, Winney, Milley, Jolly, Dick, Edinborough, Plato, Phill and Sambo. I also give unto my said grandson William Robinson fifteen hundred acres of land in Prince William County, Virginia, the uppermost part of my land binding upon Tin Pot Run. Item: I give and bequeath unto my loving brother Francis THORNTON of Caroline County One Hundred Pounds Current Money. Item: At the day of my death I do acquit and discharge my loving friend John Steward from all debts, dues and demands. Item Give unto Ann Redman the sum of Thirty Five Pounds Current Money to be paid in provisions on this plantation or money as the said Ann Redman shall like best. Item: I give unto my kind friend the Reverend Mr. Daniel McDonald a book called Usebus's History of the Church. As I apprehend there is no occasion of appraising my estate, I desire it may be omitted. All the rest and residue of my estate I give unto my dearly beloved wife Frances ROBINSON and my only son William ROBINSON in due proportions as the law shall direct. Lastly I do appoint my loving brother Francis Thornton and my only son William THORNTON EXECUTORS OF THIS MY Last Will and Testament heretofore by me made. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this third day of November in the year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred & Forty Two. Signed Sealed Published & Declared as for my Last Will & Testament in William THORNTON the Presence of Elias SHARP John HOBBY William (His Mark) COCKRIL At a Court held for King George County the 4th day of March 1742/43 The Last Will and Testament of William Thornton, Gentleman, Deceased, was presented into court by Frances and William THORNTON his executors, who made oath thereto and the same was proved by the oaths of Elias Sharp and William COCKRILL and admitted to Record. ON THE MARGIN OF THE WILL IS WRITTEN-"Colonel William THORNTON's WILL