Jim, I don't know anything about your wagon train. The best I can offer is an earlier outmigration from Richmond in the case of Yeo Avery, himself an immigrant from Cornwall, England to Richmond County about 1707. He disappears from Richmond County (where he never missed a day in court either suing somebody or being sued) until 1722. I lose all trace of him after that until ten years later, when he took up 400 acres of land in Prince George County--that part that became Amelia County, where is once again a regular in front of the court. Oddly enough, I don't find the people who is associated with there as Richmond County people. Then again, when I did that research many years ago, I was not as familiar with the Northern Neck families as I am today. I suppose I should take another look at that. It does offer an interesting take on migrations. Of Yeo Avery's three grandsons, Charles Avary (spelling changes at this time) went to Old 96 District in South Carolina, John Avary went to Columbia County, Georgia (via Mecklenburg County, Virginia), and the children of the third grandson, William Avary, went both to Columbia County and to Kentucky and Missouri. Let us know if you find that wagon train! Craig On Feb 20, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > I'm looking for a Wagon Train, that probably left Richmond Co, VA in early 1750s to the Carolinas. I've heard the SETTLES were in it. Through circumstantial evidence, Joseph or James BARTLETT, age 20, give or take a few, must have been in it. Thomas BARTLETT had 5 sons in his Will: John (to Culpeper Co c1750), James, Thomas Jr (my ancestor, in Prince William Co c1753), Joseph and Elisha (stayed in Richmond Co, VA). Descendants of John, Thomas Jr and Elisha all have identical DNA tests (and an unusual E1b result). Another exact match can be traced backward from AR to KY to Pendleton Dist, SC c1790 (a Nimrod BARTLETT). So somehow the E1b DNA got from Richmond Co, VA c1750 to SC - almost certainly carried by Joseph (probably) BARTLETT. > > Does anyone have knowledge of a Wagon Train from Richmond Co, VA, headed south, c1750s? Family names? Time frames? Records? > > Thanks, > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is my understanding that many Revolutionary War veterans who received land bounty did not actually settle on the bounty land. Some of it was in sparsely populated states (at the time) like Ohio and Kentucky. Most of them actually sold their bounty land. -----Original Message----- >From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> >Sent: Feb 20, 2013 1:06 AM >To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] The post Revolution War migration - where did they go? > >It is also important to keep in mind whether a veteran had service under the federal government or only state militia service. That makes a big difference in what anyone was qualified for in terms of bounty land warrants (which like their earlier counterparts, were merely the right to take up land, not actually taking up the land.) I would really encourage our list members to do some research on all of this. It is not an easy, quick-answer subject matter. > >The original post had to do with why people moved out of the Northern Neck. As has already been said by others, that answer is easy: new land. And it started long before the Revolutionary war. > >Craig > >On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:52 AM, Jeanne wrote: > >> Thank you Craig, that answers alot my questions. >> Jeanne >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've just transcribed the 1713 will of Richard-1 Cundiff (emigrant to Northumberland County by 1667) dated 18 Feb 1713/4 and proved in court on 18 March 1723/4. First, it is a good example of an original document using the double dates. As we've discussed before, the English and the colonists did KNOW about that the rest of the Christian world had changed its calendar, though England would not officially do this until 1751, err, 1752. What struck as humorous was the last sentence of this will whereby he disannulls "all will or wills that shall be from the beginning of the world to this day" That should cover everything! Craig Kilby

I'm looking for a Wagon Train, that probably left Richmond Co, VA in early 1750s to the Carolinas. I've heard the SETTLES were in it. Through circumstantial evidence, Joseph or James BARTLETT, age 20, give or take a few, must have been in it. Thomas BARTLETT had 5 sons in his Will: John (to Culpeper Co c1750), James, Thomas Jr (my ancestor, in Prince William Co c1753), Joseph and Elisha (stayed in Richmond Co, VA). Descendants of John, Thomas Jr and Elisha all have identical DNA tests (and an unusual E1b result). Another exact match can be traced backward from AR to KY to Pendleton Dist, SC c1790 (a Nimrod BARTLETT). So somehow the E1b DNA got from Richmond Co, VA c1750 to SC - almost certainly carried by Joseph (probably) BARTLETT. Does anyone have knowledge of a Wagon Train from Richmond Co, VA, headed south, c1750s? Family names? Time frames? Records? Thanks, Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime!

I think we've had this discussion here before, but since we are talking about migration and now the Boone family, I will post this again. Daniel Boone and crew were the first Anglo-Southern settlers of Missouri--about 1798. They were already sick of Kentucky. This was before the Louisiana Purchase and long before statehood. They obtained their lands by Spanish land grants. This was in what is now St. Charles, Warren and Lincoln Counties Missouri, chiefly St. Charles and Warren, along the Missouri River, the place of my nativity. The pre-eminent expert, in my view, is Ken Kamper of Florissant, Missouri. However, an easier portal to this data (or at least who to contact about it) can be found in two places: 1. The Boone-Duden Society: http://boone-duden.com/ 2. The St. Charles County, Missouri Historical Society: http://scchs.org/ Happy Hunting, Craig Kilby On Feb 20, 2013, at 1:05 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > Fred, > Thanks for posting this information. I've always been interested in this relationship between Daniel Boone and Richard Henderson as it seems to play a part in my own family tree. I have an ancestor Leonard Keeling Bradley (c.1756-1834) who married Mary "Polly" Boone, niece of Daniel Boone. Although I have yet to prove it, I believe Leonard Keeling Bradley was actually related to Richard Henderson...or, at the very least, to Richard Henderson's wife whose maiden name was Keeling. I have wondered if the early Henderson & Boone relationship may have played a part in the marriage of LK Bradley & Polly Boone a few years later in Fayette Co., KY.

Does anyone have knowledge of a Wagon Train from Richmond Co., VA, headed south, c1750s? Family names? Times? Records? Jim, Check The SETTLE-SUTTLE Family by William Emmett Reese and edited by Fannie Lu Camp Fisher, 1974, p. 61. I don't have a copy or I would do a look-up for you. This source isn't perfect, but it shows three children of Isaac SETTLE and Charity BROWNE, who owned land in Old Rappahanock Co., VA, in North Carolina and Georgia: Joseph SETTLE b 1727 in King George Co., VA; d bef 1788 in Rutherford Co., NC; Elizabeth Settle WILKINSON b abt 1729 in King George Co., VA, d 1789 in South Carolina; William SETTLE b 1734 in King George Co., d 25 Jan 1839 in Fulton Co., GA. I didn't make any note of how they got from Virginia to NC, SC, and GA, so don't know if the book mentions that, but they would have been the right age in the early 1750s to travel to North Carolina and then on to NC and SC. This isn't my direct line, so I have not done much more on them. Penny Nichols Alby

Some observations/speculation on my part: Know doubt, as it relates to the NN migration, there were several migration paths into TN/KY/SC, etc. And, yes, many of the "long hunters" may have taken a more direct route. But, I think most of the families traveled by wagon, or wagon train, just as a matter of protection from Indians & thieves of the 1700's. Also, I think the migration West & South may have been in stages (more than one migration). Some left Stafford/Westmoreland area and first moved into PrW/Fauquier, while others moved South through Petersburg Va. into NC. Now, a personal observation from my own Duncan family research. My ancestors were in Bute Co, NC (old Granville) by the 1750's. Bute Co, NC is a time capsule of records, as it only existed from 1764-79. Now, for some reason, by this time period, Bute CO, NCs is full of people from Westmoreland, Richmond, Stafford, PRW, Fauquier, etc. So, why Bute Co, NC ? I think I know the answer. There was a trading path coming out of Petersburg Va., sometimes called the Occoneechie path. This path crossed into Bute Co, NC from Mecklenburg Co Va.(where it crossed the Roanoke River). At the same time, coming out of PrW/Fauquier was the Carolina Road, sometimes called the Rogue Road. This path started in Fredrick,Maryland and terminated at Occoneechie Island of the Roanoke River (the intersection of two paths in Bute Co, NC). The Occoneechie path then continued across NC in NE to SW direction, crossing through the Yadkin River valley into SC/GA. https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Occaneechi_Path Now, to the TN/KY connection to Bute Co, NC: = Transylvania Land Co. This company's home office was in Williamsboro, NC, which just happens to be located at the confluence of the above two paths. Daniel Boone's part in history is that he owed Richard Henderson (part owner of this co.) a debt. This company hired Boone & approx. 50 "axemen" to cut a path off the Occoneechie path near Salisbury, NC into TN/KY after they had acquired most of TN/KY from the Cherokee. In the link below you will see a John Luttrel (a former Westmoreland Co school teacher who married into this Hart family) and John & Landon Carter (surprise, surprise). Also, not mentioned here a was Nathaniel Rochester, son of John Rochester of Westmoreland, who provided supplies to the Cherokee to close the deal. http://www.ncgenweb.us/ncgranville/other/henderson-r-act.htm <http://www.ncgenweb.us/ncgranville/other/henderson-r-act.htm> Craig, sorry for the length of this email, and some speculation on my part. Just saying, researchers don't need to take for granted that their ancestors went straight to parts unknown without passing through NC, or, at least, using the wagon roads and trading paths of the time period. -- Fred Duncan

Fred, Thanks for posting this information.  I've always been interested in this relationship between Daniel Boone and Richard Henderson as it seems to play a part in my own family tree.  I have an ancestor Leonard Keeling Bradley (c.1756-1834) who married Mary "Polly" Boone, niece of Daniel Boone.  Although I have yet to prove it, I believe Leonard Keeling Bradley was actually related to Richard Henderson...or, at the very least, to Richard Henderson's wife whose maiden name was Keeling.  I have wondered if the early Henderson & Boone relationship may have played a part in the marriage of LK Bradley & Polly Boone a few years later in Fayette Co., KY. I won't go into more details than this since my reply may be deemed off-topic by the List Admin, but thought I'd at least mention it.  Thanks again.  David--- On Wed, 2/20/13, Fred Duncan <wfred.duncan@gmail.com> wrote: From: Fred Duncan <wfred.duncan@gmail.com> Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] The post Revolution War migration - where did they go? Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 10:43 AM Now, to the TN/KY connection to Bute Co, NC: = Transylvania Land Co. This company's home office was in Williamsboro, NC, which just happens to be located at the confluence of the above two paths. Daniel Boone's part in history is that he owed Richard Henderson (part owner of this co.) a debt. This company hired Boone & approx. 50 "axemen" to cut a path off the Occoneechie path near Salisbury, NC into TN/KY after they had acquired most of TN/KY from the Cherokee.

It is also important to keep in mind whether a veteran had service under the federal government or only state militia service. That makes a big difference in what anyone was qualified for in terms of bounty land warrants (which like their earlier counterparts, were merely the right to take up land, not actually taking up the land.) I would really encourage our list members to do some research on all of this. It is not an easy, quick-answer subject matter. The original post had to do with why people moved out of the Northern Neck. As has already been said by others, that answer is easy: new land. And it started long before the Revolutionary war. Craig On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:52 AM, Jeanne wrote: > Thank you Craig, that answers alot my questions. > Jeanne >

Thank you Craig, that answers alot my questions. Jeanne -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> To: va-northern-neck <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 20, 2013 12:15 am Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] The post Revolution War migration - where did they go? No. Even many of those who qualified did not always take one out. Sometimes, we just don't know. They were traded like baseball cards. Much like the headrights of an earlier era. Ditto for War of 1812, although in that last case they were taken a lot more seriously, and you are more likely to see them used where they could be used (Missouri, Arkansas) but even then they had traded hands once or twice (not always, of course.) In fact, the first big migration to Missouri from Virginia began after the War of 1812, and especially after it attained statehood as a slave state in 1821. Craig On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:58 PM, Jeanne wrote: > Here is probably a stupid question.. but did all those who fought during the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 receive bounty land warrants? > Jeanne > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No. Even many of those who qualified did not always take one out. Sometimes, we just don't know. They were traded like baseball cards. Much like the headrights of an earlier era. Ditto for War of 1812, although in that last case they were taken a lot more seriously, and you are more likely to see them used where they could be used (Missouri, Arkansas) but even then they had traded hands once or twice (not always, of course.) In fact, the first big migration to Missouri from Virginia began after the War of 1812, and especially after it attained statehood as a slave state in 1821. Craig On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:58 PM, Jeanne wrote: > Here is probably a stupid question.. but did all those who fought during the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 receive bounty land warrants? > Jeanne > > >

Here is probably a stupid question.. but did all those who fought during the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 receive bounty land warrents? Jeanne -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> To: va-northern-neck <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:48 pm Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] The post Revolution War migration - where did they go? Yes indeed, Lou Ann. For Virginians, those were in Kentucky which was still part of Virginia at that time (until 1792). But you didn't need to be a Rev. War soldier to move there, or to take up land. It was more likely one would simply sell their bounty warrant to someone else, who would sell it to someone else, and so on. Kentucky to this day is land title nightmare. It's a complicated subject, to say the least. The land warrants are in Virginia, but the land is in Kentucky. A mess. Craig On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Brondak@aol.com wrote: > I haven't heard anyone mention the land grants for their Rev War Service. > Many got those > and the migrations had a lot to do with that. > Lou Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes indeed, Lou Ann. For Virginians, those were in Kentucky which was still part of Virginia at that time (until 1792). But you didn't need to be a Rev. War soldier to move there, or to take up land. It was more likely one would simply sell their bounty warrant to someone else, who would sell it to someone else, and so on. Kentucky to this day is land title nightmare. It's a complicated subject, to say the least. The land warrants are in Virginia, but the land is in Kentucky. A mess. Craig On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Brondak@aol.com wrote: > I haven't heard anyone mention the land grants for their Rev War Service. > Many got those > and the migrations had a lot to do with that. > Lou Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I haven't heard anyone mention the land grants for their Rev War Service. Many got those and the migrations had a lot to do with that. Lou Ann

Charlie, Exactly. And the westward-ho started way before the Revolution. New land opens up, move to it. And keep moving! The Old 96 District in South Carolina is another good example. Not everyone went west. Craig On Feb 19, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Charlie Weaver wrote: > Mostly for free land, John. VA became relatively crowded, > as did PA and parts of MD. Some of mine moved from PA, > with brief stays in VA & NC, before moving on to Abbeville > District SC. Charlie >

George, did your ancestors that you mention below carry the last name McKinney? On Feb 19, 2013, at 9:12 AM, George McKinney <genealogymck@aol.com> wrote: > There were also land developers. My ancestors left Westmoreland in the > 1780s to live on land that had been developed by Jeremiah Rust of the > Rust family of Westmoreland in Campbell County. He was gracious enough > to donate 50 acres of his land for the county seat in 1784 - now called > Rustburg! > > George

Mostly for free land, John. VA became relatively crowded, as did PA and parts of MD. Some of mine moved from PA, with brief stays in VA & NC, before moving on to Abbeville District SC. Charlie On 2/18/2013 9:21 PM, John Cullom Sr wrote: > Interesting, My ancestors left Sussex C o., VA about 1780 & moved 100 miles > away to North Carolina. Some of the sons continues on to SC TN, AR & TX. > Could they have been part of this migration? I've wondered why they left > VA. John Cullom, Westminster, MD > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: marsha moses > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:43 PM > To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] The post Revolution War migration - wheredid > they go? > > I would say YES! Everyone was moving to Kentucky! And often they stopped > in western Va before moving on to KY. I live in Huntington, WV. They did > not stop here! Our area was not settled this early. The place to go just > after the Revolution was Kentucky! And it is interesting. The traveling > church out of Culpeper met Indian troubles in KY. Ky was the hunting ground > of the Indian nations. But still Ky was the place to go! In the first > decade of the 1800's everyone was moving to Ohio and Indiana. But in the > time period between 1790 and 1800, everyone was moving to KY. I can give > you specifics if you want them. I have heard from professionals that part > of the problem was that Virginia had huge war debts. They raised taxes to > cover the war debts from the Revolution. Kentucky was made a state separate > from Virginia in 1792. You could move there and not pay Virginia taxes! > marsha moses > > > On Feb 18, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Craig Partridge <rfc974@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi folks: >> >> Here's a historical question I've been wondering about. Most counties >> in >> the Northern Neck (Richmond being the big exception and Westmoreland's >> population stats being unknown) lost population between 1790 and 1800. >> I'm assuming the reasons are similar to that of Charles County, Maryland >> (which is just across the Potomac and lost 20% of its non-slave population >> after the war): namely the failure of the agricultural trade with England >> and Scotland to resume after the war. >> >> The population reduction came from migration to somewhere else in the U.S. >> The question I have is whether there was a pattern (or set of patterns) >> for the migration. >> >> I ask because I'm descended from that migration -- my Partridge ancestor >> left his plantation near Kinsale (no record of the sale) and moved west in >> the late 1790s, first to western Virginia and then to Kentucky. So, >> apparently, did his brother-in-law. I'm wondering if they were following >> an established path, or whether folks set out in a number of directions. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Craig Partridge >> (non-work account -- for work issues send to craig@aland.bbn.com) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes. Joseph and Duke McKinney, sons of John (will probated in 1784), probably with their sister Barbara Moore, moved to Campbell County sometime before 1785, when the first reference occurs. Joseph was my ancestor. Later waves brought Roberson, Presley, George, and Vincent. These families were (probably) all grandchildren of William McKinney and Elizabeth Blundall. George On 2/19/2013 6:37 AM, marsha moses wrote: > George, did your ancestors that you mention below carry the last name McKinney? > > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 9:12 AM, George McKinney <genealogymck@aol.com> wrote: > >> There were also land developers. My ancestors left Westmoreland in the >> 1780s to live on land that had been developed by Jeremiah Rust of the >> Rust family of Westmoreland in Campbell County. He was gracious enough >> to donate 50 acres of his land for the county seat in 1784 - now called >> Rustburg! >> >> George > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Excellent information George...Thank you. Mary >________________________________ > From: George McKinney <genealogymck@aol.com> >To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:38 AM >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] The post Revolution War migration - wheredid they go? > >A good website to review migration pathways is on Rootsweb: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tqpeiffer/Documents/Ancestral%20Migration%20Archives/Migration%20Photo%20Galleries/%2810%29%20US%20MIGRATION%20MAPS/U.S.%20MIGRATION%20MAPS.html > >The map of Colonial Roads 1775 seems particularly interesting. > >One of the more surprising routes for me has been from Pennsylvania >through the Shenandoah valley into Kentucky and western North Carolina.  >Many people who settled the Shenandoah Valley had their origins in >Pennsylvania.  Note this is the route of the Boone family. > >Note also that before the Revolutionary period a primary method of >transportation was by water (thus early Westmoreland families like the >Allertons moved around  - with property in Massachusetts, Westmoreland, >and the Caribbean). > >George > >On 2/19/2013 6:12 AM, George McKinney wrote: >> There were also land developers.  My ancestors left Westmoreland in the >> 1780s to live on land that had been developed by Jeremiah Rust of the >> Rust family of Westmoreland in Campbell County.  He was gracious enough >> to donate 50 acres of his land for the county seat in 1784 - now called >> Rustburg! >> >> George >> On 2/19/2013 6:01 AM, Charlie Weaver wrote: >>> Mostly for free land, John. VA became relatively crowded, >>> as did PA and parts of MD. Some of mine moved from PA, >>> with brief stays in VA & NC, before moving on to Abbeville >>> District SC.  Charlie >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/18/2013 9:21 PM, John Cullom Sr wrote: >>>> Interesting,  My ancestors left Sussex C o., VA about 1780 & moved 100 miles >>>> away to North Carolina.  Some of the sons continues on to SC TN, AR & TX. >>>> Could they have been part of this migration?  I've wondered why they left >>>> VA.            John Cullom, Westminster, MD >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: marsha moses >>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:43 PM >>>> To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] The post Revolution War migration - wheredid >>>> they go? >>>> >>>> I would say YES!  Everyone was moving to Kentucky!  And often they stopped >>>> in western Va before moving on to KY.  I live in Huntington, WV.  They did >>>> not stop here!  Our area was not settled this early.  The place to go just >>>> after the Revolution was Kentucky!  And it is interesting.  The traveling >>>> church out of Culpeper met Indian troubles in KY.  Ky was the hunting ground >>>> of the Indian nations.  But still Ky was the place to go!  In the first >>>> decade of the 1800's everyone was moving to Ohio and Indiana.  But in the >>>> time period between 1790 and 1800, everyone was moving to KY.  I can give >>>> you specifics if you want them.  I have heard from professionals that part >>>> of the problem was that Virginia had huge war debts.  They raised taxes to >>>> cover the war debts from the Revolution.  Kentucky was made a state separate >>>> from Virginia in 1792.  You could move there and not pay Virginia taxes! >>>> marsha moses >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 18, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Craig Partridge <rfc974@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi folks: >>>>> >>>>> Here's a historical question I've been wondering about.    Most counties >>>>> in >>>>> the Northern Neck (Richmond being the big exception and Westmoreland's >>>>> population stats being unknown) lost population between 1790 and 1800. >>>>> I'm assuming the reasons are similar to that of Charles County, Maryland >>>>> (which is just across the Potomac and lost 20% of its non-slave population >>>>> after the war): namely the failure of the agricultural trade with England >>>>> and Scotland to resume after the war. >>>>> >>>>> The population reduction came from migration to somewhere else in the U.S. >>>>> The question I have is whether there was a pattern (or set of patterns) >>>>> for the migration. >>>>> >>>>> I ask because I'm descended from that migration -- my Partridge ancestor >>>>> left his plantation near Kinsale (no record of the sale) and moved west in >>>>> the late 1790s, first to western Virginia and then to Kentucky.  So, >>>>> apparently, did his brother-in-law.  I'm wondering if they were following >>>>> an established path, or whether folks set out in a number of directions. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Craig Partridge >>>>> (non-work account -- for work issues send to craig@aland.bbn.com) >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>>    >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>    >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>  >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

A good website to review migration pathways is on Rootsweb: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tqpeiffer/Documents/Ancestral%20Migration%20Archives/Migration%20Photo%20Galleries/%2810%29%20US%20MIGRATION%20MAPS/U.S.%20MIGRATION%20MAPS.html The map of Colonial Roads 1775 seems particularly interesting. One of the more surprising routes for me has been from Pennsylvania through the Shenandoah valley into Kentucky and western North Carolina. Many people who settled the Shenandoah Valley had their origins in Pennsylvania. Note this is the route of the Boone family. Note also that before the Revolutionary period a primary method of transportation was by water (thus early Westmoreland families like the Allertons moved around - with property in Massachusetts, Westmoreland, and the Caribbean). George On 2/19/2013 6:12 AM, George McKinney wrote: > There were also land developers. My ancestors left Westmoreland in the > 1780s to live on land that had been developed by Jeremiah Rust of the > Rust family of Westmoreland in Campbell County. He was gracious enough > to donate 50 acres of his land for the county seat in 1784 - now called > Rustburg! > > George > On 2/19/2013 6:01 AM, Charlie Weaver wrote: >> Mostly for free land, John. VA became relatively crowded, >> as did PA and parts of MD. Some of mine moved from PA, >> with brief stays in VA & NC, before moving on to Abbeville >> District SC. Charlie >> >> >> >> On 2/18/2013 9:21 PM, John Cullom Sr wrote: >>> Interesting, My ancestors left Sussex C o., VA about 1780 & moved 100 miles >>> away to North Carolina. Some of the sons continues on to SC TN, AR & TX. >>> Could they have been part of this migration? I've wondered why they left >>> VA. John Cullom, Westminster, MD >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: marsha moses >>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:43 PM >>> To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] The post Revolution War migration - wheredid >>> they go? >>> >>> I would say YES! Everyone was moving to Kentucky! And often they stopped >>> in western Va before moving on to KY. I live in Huntington, WV. They did >>> not stop here! Our area was not settled this early. The place to go just >>> after the Revolution was Kentucky! And it is interesting. The traveling >>> church out of Culpeper met Indian troubles in KY. Ky was the hunting ground >>> of the Indian nations. But still Ky was the place to go! In the first >>> decade of the 1800's everyone was moving to Ohio and Indiana. But in the >>> time period between 1790 and 1800, everyone was moving to KY. I can give >>> you specifics if you want them. I have heard from professionals that part >>> of the problem was that Virginia had huge war debts. They raised taxes to >>> cover the war debts from the Revolution. Kentucky was made a state separate >>> from Virginia in 1792. You could move there and not pay Virginia taxes! >>> marsha moses >>> >>> >>> On Feb 18, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Craig Partridge <rfc974@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi folks: >>>> >>>> Here's a historical question I've been wondering about. Most counties >>>> in >>>> the Northern Neck (Richmond being the big exception and Westmoreland's >>>> population stats being unknown) lost population between 1790 and 1800. >>>> I'm assuming the reasons are similar to that of Charles County, Maryland >>>> (which is just across the Potomac and lost 20% of its non-slave population >>>> after the war): namely the failure of the agricultural trade with England >>>> and Scotland to resume after the war. >>>> >>>> The population reduction came from migration to somewhere else in the U.S. >>>> The question I have is whether there was a pattern (or set of patterns) >>>> for the migration. >>>> >>>> I ask because I'm descended from that migration -- my Partridge ancestor >>>> left his plantation near Kinsale (no record of the sale) and moved west in >>>> the late 1790s, first to western Virginia and then to Kentucky. So, >>>> apparently, did his brother-in-law. I'm wondering if they were following >>>> an established path, or whether folks set out in a number of directions. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Craig Partridge >>>> (non-work account -- for work issues send to craig@aland.bbn.com) >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message