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But, we would say "The group of people who stormed the Bastille". Admittedly, I have always had a problem with "who" vs "whom". As my wife would say, "She was absent from school that day". :>) Don Begin forwarded message: > From: King Donald E <donaldeking@me.com> > Date: February 20, 2013 8:27:30 PM PST > To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Who did that? > Reply-To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com > > I would suggest that "that" is correct in this case because we are not referring to a person or even to a group of people per se, but a characteristic that this group of people have brought upon themselvces. We are defining this group of people who were involved. > > Another question - Is my deceased father my father or was he my father? > > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > >> Here a question on our recent thread: >> >> Would it be better to say "the mob that stormed the Bastille." or "the mob who stormed the Bastille"? >> >> Craig >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don and gang, That is a good point. THAT is for things. WHO is for people. I also always fight with Microsoft word over the word "which" or "that." It never likes my writing style. And since we are on peeves, one of mine is the use of "who" and "whom". And most grating of all, "He gave the ball to her and I" instead of "her and me." I can never stop myself from correcting people in public on that. Would you say "He gave the ball to I" or would you say "He gave the ball to me." ? Obviously you would say he gave the ball to me. So why would would you say "He gave the ball to her and I." "You" are still the direct object pronoun. But now we are really getting seriously off topic. But I guess we are having fun. I know I am. Craig On Feb 20, 2013, at 6:51 PM, King Donald E wrote: > Hi gang - > > I want to make a comment about something that has always bugged me. > > I have never liked the use of the word 'that' when making reference about a person or a group of people. For example - "the Hancock family is one of the families that married into the King line". > > In my point, the Hancock family was not a "that", they where people - who, whom. > > I will try not to fall off of my soapbox. > > Donald

I would suggest that "that" is correct in this case because we are not referring to a person or even to a group of people per se, but a characteristic that this group of people have brought upon themselvces. We are defining this group of people who were involved. Another question - Is my deceased father my father or was he my father? On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > Here a question on our recent thread: > > Would it be better to say "the mob that stormed the Bastille." or "the mob who stormed the Bastille"? > > Craig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Jim. I am familiar with Steve Bird from DNA . I also remember there being a Bird or Byrd from Northern Neck that was E1b1. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bartlett Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:18 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Pre-RevWar Migrations Elmer Google: E1b Stephen Bird to find his article. E1b was in the Fertile Crescent 8,000 yrs ago; concentrated in the Balkans 5,000 yrs ago. From 43-400AD the Romans ruled England and conscripted men from the the Balkans to be part of their occupying force. They also gave them land and let them stay there after their service. So we think any E1b Colonists came that route. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Feb 20, 2013, at 7:22 PM, "Elmer thorn" <eandmthorn@suddenlink.net> wrote: > Jim, I am very interested in the E1b1 DNA results coming out of Prince > William Co. My DNA is E1b1. I am trying to zero in on where William > Thorn > came from and settled in Stafford/ Prince William Co around 1700. Seeing > your post has me wondering if there were several in that area with E1b1 > DNA > and maybe possible connections. You are right to say that E1b1 is unusual > DNA . Since mine is E1b1 then William Thorn my 4th great grandfather must > have been E1b1. We match no other Thorn's in America with DNA. So I am > wondering how many descendants on this website might be E1b1 and had > ancestors from Northern Neck? Could this be a Scottish or Irish or French > DNA that this group of people had? And where did they originate from to > that area? Open for dialogue. > Elmer Thorn > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elmer Google: E1b Stephen Bird to find his article. E1b was in the Fertile Crescent 8,000 yrs ago; concentrated in the Balkans 5,000 yrs ago. From 43-400AD the Romans ruled England and conscripted men from the the Balkans to be part of their occupying force. They also gave them land and let them stay there after their service. So we think any E1b Colonists came that route. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Feb 20, 2013, at 7:22 PM, "Elmer thorn" <eandmthorn@suddenlink.net> wrote: > Jim, I am very interested in the E1b1 DNA results coming out of Prince > William Co. My DNA is E1b1. I am trying to zero in on where William Thorn > came from and settled in Stafford/ Prince William Co around 1700. Seeing > your post has me wondering if there were several in that area with E1b1 DNA > and maybe possible connections. You are right to say that E1b1 is unusual > DNA . Since mine is E1b1 then William Thorn my 4th great grandfather must > have been E1b1. We match no other Thorn's in America with DNA. So I am > wondering how many descendants on this website might be E1b1 and had > ancestors from Northern Neck? Could this be a Scottish or Irish or French > DNA that this group of people had? And where did they originate from to > that area? Open for dialogue. > Elmer Thorn >

A 12 marker Y-DNA test is a good starting point to getting some male relatives Y tested. The NN DNA project is not "going autosomal DNA". Rather it includes Y, mt, and autosomal. If you look at the project page, only Y DNA and mtDNA results are showing (unless something has changed in the past few days). Autosomal doesn't work with that type of chart. Have we had any progress with the NN DNA project? Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Kilby" <persisto1@gmail.com> To: <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Very inexpensive DNA test > Jim....I have to disagree. I don't think a 12 marker Y-DNA test is likely > to tell you anything. A 36-marker Y-DNA would be a lot better. But now > that the world and your project is going autosomal DNA, I don't know why > this 12 marker test would of any use. Rebuttal? > > Craig > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:38 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > >> FYI - this is an exceptional bargain from the company we use for the NN >> DNA project. A great opportunity to try DNA out; and to get a relative's >> DNA stored. >>

Craig & Lou Ann: A good many RevWar people from NC, previously from Tidewater/Northern Neck, populated TN as far as the Mississippi. For instance, my g+uncle Maj George DOHERTY was granted about 6000a in what is now Davidson Co/Nashville. He died before he could occupy the land, but his widow and children did. The migration route from n.central NC was usually through Horse Gap or Deep Gap NC. Several of my ancestors got to their TN land that way, down the Watauga River gap to the TN River. A few moved out of NC before the mountains and then thru Cumberland Gap, then into e.TN and c.TN along what is now I-81. My wife's KY ancestors from w.VA, Botetourt, Allegheny, etc. went thru the gap at what's now Clifton Forge and a route generally what is now I-64. Charlie On 2/19/2013 11:48 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > Yes indeed, Lou Ann. For Virginians, those were in Kentucky which was still part of Virginia at that time (until 1792). But you didn't need to be a Rev. War soldier to move there, or to take up land. It was more likely one would simply sell their bounty warrant to someone else, who would sell it to someone else, and so on. Kentucky to this day is land title nightmare. It's a complicated subject, to say the least. The land warrants are in Virginia, but the land is in Kentucky. A mess. > > Craig > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Brondak@aol.com wrote: > >> I haven't heard anyone mention the land grants for their Rev War Service. >> Many got those >> and the migrations had a lot to do with that. >> Lou Ann >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

One would never guess the usage of "that" would cause so much consternation on this List. Hopefully, we can end this debate with a simple look-up in the dictionary.  Here you go:  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/that --- On Wed, 2/20/13, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] That/Who/Which/Whom To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 8:04 PM I think you meant to say "I believeTHAT  "that" is grammatically acceptable..." two "thats" there. (Try saying that if you are not a native English speaker). I still agree with Don, "who" is just as appropriate as "that" when saying "the family THAT / WHO married into the Smith family..." 1. Who hit the ball? 2. To whom was the ball hit? Would you say "That hit the ball?" No, That is not a personal pronoun and there is no subject to the sentence. Would you say "To that was the ball hit?" No, there is no direct object pronoun and again no subject to the sentence. Oh, I can't wait for Katherine Much to weigh in here, our Editor in Chief. Come on, Good Book Doctor! Craig

Jim, I am very interested in the E1b1 DNA results coming out of Prince William Co. My DNA is E1b1. I am trying to zero in on where William Thorn came from and settled in Stafford/ Prince William Co around 1700. Seeing your post has me wondering if there were several in that area with E1b1 DNA and maybe possible connections. You are right to say that E1b1 is unusual DNA . Since mine is E1b1 then William Thorn my 4th great grandfather must have been E1b1. We match no other Thorn's in America with DNA. So I am wondering how many descendants on this website might be E1b1 and had ancestors from Northern Neck? Could this be a Scottish or Irish or French DNA that this group of people had? And where did they originate from to that area? Open for dialogue. Elmer Thorn -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bartlett Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:33 PM To: va-northern-neck Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Pre-RevWar Migrations I'm looking for a Wagon Train, that probably left Richmond Co, VA in early 1750s to the Carolinas. I've heard the SETTLES were in it. Through circumstantial evidence, Joseph or James BARTLETT, age 20, give or take a few, must have been in it. Thomas BARTLETT had 5 sons in his Will: John (to Culpeper Co c1750), James, Thomas Jr (my ancestor, in Prince William Co c1753), Joseph and Elisha (stayed in Richmond Co, VA). Descendants of John, Thomas Jr and Elisha all have identical DNA tests (and an unusual E1b result). Another exact match can be traced backward from AR to KY to Pendleton Dist, SC c1790 (a Nimrod BARTLETT). So somehow the E1b DNA got from Richmond Co, VA c1750 to SC - almost certainly carried by Joseph (probably) BARTLETT. Does anyone have knowledge of a Wagon Train from Richmond Co, VA, headed south, c1750s? Family names? Time frames? Records? Thanks, Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi - again. You happened upon two additional peeves of mind. but you treated them in the asme manner as I do. I hope that my friends will not desert me. That is I was always taught that it is not polite, in addition to not being grammatically correct, to say "Me and Joe did . . .". Also, though grammatically correct to say "I gave Joe the ball . . .". I have never liked to use indirect objects and prefer to ". . . give the ball to Joe". As the mind processes the sentence from start to finish, it was the ball that was given - not Joe". OK - I am getting down from my soapbox and I will stay off unless it is germain. I am glad that Craig updated the title as I forgot to do so when I wrote my first message on this diversion. Donald King On Feb 20, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > Don and gang, > > That is a good point. THAT is for things. WHO is for people. I also always fight with Microsoft word over the word "which" or "that." It never likes my writing style. And since we are on peeves, one of mine is the use of "who" and "whom". And most grating of all, "He gave the ball to her and I" instead of "her and me." I can never stop myself from correcting people in public on that. Would you say "He gave the ball to I" or would you say "He gave the ball to me." ? Obviously you would say he gave the ball to me. So why would would you say "He gave the ball to her and I." "You" are still the direct object pronoun. > > But now we are really getting seriously off topic. But I guess we are having fun. I know I am. > > Craig > > > > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 6:51 PM, King Donald E wrote: > >> Hi gang - >> >> I want to make a comment about something that has always bugged me. >> >> I have never liked the use of the word 'that' when making reference about a person or a group of people. For example - "the Hancock family is one of the families that married into the King line". >> >> In my point, the Hancock family was not a "that", they where people - who, whom. >> >> I will try not to fall off of my soapbox. >> >> Donald > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It seems some of us confuse receiving a warrant for land due for SOME service in the war with actually receiving a land grant. A brief explanation of this is at the Library of Virginia web site here: http://www.lva.virginia.gov/public/guides/opac/lomcabout.htm There is also a searchable database for all of these warrants on their web site where you can view the pertinent applications and proofs of service. This is a very valuable resource. Note that the land available was in the Virginia Military Districts of Ohio and Kentucky only. Service in the local militia only did NOT qualify for a land warrant. Good luck! Craig Kilby

Thanks, Craig. I hope others have some insights, too. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Feb 20, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > Jim, I don't know anything about your wagon train. The best I can offer is an earlier outmigration from Richmond in the case of Yeo Avery, himself an immigrant from Cornwall, England to Richmond County about 1707. He disappears from Richmond County (where he never missed a day in court either suing somebody or being sued) until 1722. I lose all trace of him after that until ten years later, when he took up 400 acres of land in Prince George County--that part that became Amelia County, where is once again a regular in front of the court. Oddly enough, I don't find the people who is associated with there as Richmond County people. Then again, when I did that research many years ago, I was not as familiar with the Northern Neck families as I am today. I suppose I should take another look at that. > > It does offer an interesting take on migrations. Of Yeo Avery's three grandsons, Charles Avary (spelling changes at this time) went to Old 96 District in South Carolina, John Avary went to Columbia County, Georgia (via Mecklenburg County, Virginia), and the children of the third grandson, William Avary, went both to Columbia County and to Kentucky and Missouri. > > Let us know if you find that wagon train! > > Craig > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > >> I'm looking for a Wagon Train, that probably left Richmond Co, VA in early 1750s to the Carolinas. I've heard the SETTLES were in it. Through circumstantial evidence, Joseph or James BARTLETT, age 20, give or take a few, must have been in it. Thomas BARTLETT had 5 sons in his Will: John (to Culpeper Co c1750), James, Thomas Jr (my ancestor, in Prince William Co c1753), Joseph and Elisha (stayed in Richmond Co, VA). Descendants of John, Thomas Jr and Elisha all have identical DNA tests (and an unusual E1b result). Another exact match can be traced backward from AR to KY to Pendleton Dist, SC c1790 (a Nimrod BARTLETT). So somehow the E1b DNA got from Richmond Co, VA c1750 to SC - almost certainly carried by Joseph (probably) BARTLETT. >> >> Does anyone have knowledge of a Wagon Train from Richmond Co, VA, headed south, c1750s? Family names? Time frames? Records? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much, Penny It's on p152 of the 1994 update of that book, which I contributed to (Anne SETTLE, dau of Henry married John BARTLEY (née BARTLETT), son of Thomas BARTLETT c1703-1783 Richmond Co. Anne did NOT marry John's brother Thomas (my Ancestor), as is plastered all over Ancestry.com #%?!$&@) There is also Francis SETTLE b Westmoreland Co, died Edgefield Co, SC 1790; and others. I'm hoping others on this list may have some info to share, too. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Feb 20, 2013, at 2:49 PM, "Penny N. Alby" <stitching125@gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone have knowledge of a Wagon Train from Richmond Co., VA, headed > south, c1750s? Family names? Times? Records? > > Jim, > > Check The SETTLE-SUTTLE Family by William Emmett Reese and edited by Fannie > Lu Camp Fisher, 1974, p. 61. I don't have a copy or I would do a look-up > for you. This source isn't perfect, but it shows three children of Isaac > SETTLE and Charity BROWNE, who owned land in Old Rappahanock Co., VA, in > North Carolina and Georgia: Joseph SETTLE b 1727 in King George Co., VA; d > bef 1788 in Rutherford Co., NC; Elizabeth Settle WILKINSON b abt 1729 in > King George Co., VA, d 1789 in South Carolina; William SETTLE b 1734 in > King George Co., d 25 Jan 1839 in Fulton Co., GA. I didn't make any note of > how they got from Virginia to NC, SC, and GA, so don't know if the book > mentions that, but they would have been the right age in the early 1750s to > travel to North Carolina and then on to NC and SC. This isn't my direct > line, so I have not done much more on them. > > Penny Nichols Alby > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There will always be varying opinions of such matters, but I believe "that" is gramatically acceptable in this situation.  It would be different if referring to a specific person in which case who or whom would be required. --- On Wed, 2/20/13, King Donald E <donaldeking@me.com> wrote: From: King Donald E <donaldeking@me.com> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Pre-RevWar Migrations To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 5:51 PM Hi gang - I want to make a comment about something that has always bugged me. I have never liked the use of the word 'that' when making reference about a person or a group of people. For example - "the Hancock family is one of the families that married into the King line".  In my point, the Hancock family was not a "that", they where people - who, whom. I will try not to fall off of my soapbox. Donald

Hi gang - I want to make a comment about something that has always bugged me. I have never liked the use of the word 'that' when making reference about a person or a group of people. For example - "the Hancock family is one of the families that married into the King line". In my point, the Hancock family was not a "that", they where people - who, whom. I will try not to fall off of my soapbox. Donald

I just uploaded it to our Northern Neck Families tree on ancestry.com. Craig On Feb 20, 2013, at 2:52 PM, genrsch@earthlink.net wrote: > Where can one access the transcription? > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> >> Sent: Feb 20, 2013 2:39 PM >> To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List <VA-NORTHERN-NECK@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Will of Richard Cundiff, 1713--funny phrase >> >> I've just transcribed the 1713 will of Richard-1 Cundiff (emigrant to Northumberland County by 1667) dated 18 Feb 1713/4 and proved in court on 18 March 1723/4. First, it is a good example of an original document using the double dates. As we've discussed before, the English and the colonists did KNOW about that the rest of the Christian world had changed its calendar, though England would not officially do this until 1751, err, 1752. >> >> What struck as humorous was the last sentence of this will whereby he disannulls "all will or wills that shall be from the beginning of the world to this day" >> >> That should cover everything! >> >> Craig Kilby >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim,   I know there were some Richmond Co., VA families that migrated south including Hightower, Tarpley, Hammond, and others.  They were in Brunswick Co., VA near my Damerons who migrated from Northumberland Co., VA to Brunswick Co., VA in the early 1760's.  The Damerons eventually moved into Caswell Co., NC by the 1790's. Thanks. David > On Feb 20, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > >> I'm looking for a Wagon Train, that probably left Richmond Co, VA in early 1750s to the Carolinas.  I've heard the SETTLES were in it. Through circumstantial evidence, Joseph or James BARTLETT, age 20, give or take a few, must have been in it. Thomas BARTLETT had 5 sons in his Will: John (to Culpeper Co c1750), James, Thomas Jr (my ancestor, in Prince William Co c1753), Joseph and Elisha (stayed in Richmond Co, VA). Descendants of John, Thomas Jr and Elisha all have identical DNA tests (and an unusual E1b result). Another exact match can be traced backward from AR to KY to Pendleton Dist, SC c1790 (a Nimrod BARTLETT). So somehow the E1b DNA got from Richmond Co, VA c1750 to SC - almost certainly carried by Joseph (probably) BARTLETT. >> >> Does anyone have knowledge of a Wagon Train from Richmond Co, VA, headed south, c1750s?  Family names? Time frames? Records? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime!

Where can one access the transcription? -----Original Message----- >From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> >Sent: Feb 20, 2013 2:39 PM >To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List <VA-NORTHERN-NECK@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Will of Richard Cundiff, 1713--funny phrase > >I've just transcribed the 1713 will of Richard-1 Cundiff (emigrant to Northumberland County by 1667) dated 18 Feb 1713/4 and proved in court on 18 March 1723/4. First, it is a good example of an original document using the double dates. As we've discussed before, the English and the colonists did KNOW about that the rest of the Christian world had changed its calendar, though England would not officially do this until 1751, err, 1752. > >What struck as humorous was the last sentence of this will whereby he disannulls "all will or wills that shall be from the beginning of the world to this day" > >That should cover everything! > >Craig Kilby > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The question from Jeanne, which was an excellent one, was not fully answered. I realize the answer is not straightforward and I could answer, but there are some on this list much more qualified than I. -----Original Message----- >From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> >Sent: Feb 20, 2013 12:15 AM >To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] The post Revolution War migration - where did they go? > >No. Even many of those who qualified did not always take one out. Sometimes, we just don't know. They were traded like baseball cards. Much like the headrights of an earlier era. Ditto for War of 1812, although in that last case they were taken a lot more seriously, and you are more likely to see them used where they could be used (Missouri, Arkansas) but even then they had traded hands once or twice (not always, of course.) In fact, the first big migration to Missouri from Virginia began after the War of 1812, and especially after it attained statehood as a slave state in 1821. > >Craig > > >On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:58 PM, Jeanne wrote: > >> Here is probably a stupid question.. but did all those who fought during the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 receive bounty land warrants? >> Jeanne >> >> >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message