Looking for parents of Frances BERNARD d 4/26/1726 m Stafford Co., VA Howson HOOE 1696-1780 BERNARD has been found also as BARNARD and BURNARD Charlene REEDS-EBELING Genealogical Direct Lines: DAD'S SIDE: REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, WILLIAMSON, UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph and Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., Va), BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay MOMS SIDE: CORNWELL (NY), ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, MORSE, REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, SIEGFRIED

Good morning, all The below is a good example of why it is important to change subject lines. I am not casting any aspersions, and I am as guilty as anyone about this, but read below thread: This started off about William Carter, d. 1662 and ends up talking about Dr. John Edwards. But the name of the thread (subject line) was not changed. How would one find the name of Edwards using the archives of this list? Answer: you wouldn't. Also, I am quickly learning that limiting the size of a post to 5kb may be a good idea. I have let pass through five posts this morning that exceed the limit. The main reason why these posts exceed that limit was due to repeating and including what had already been said in previous posts plus rootsweb trailers. The lesson here is to TRIM irrelevant material. This is especially true in the case for those using the DIGEST mode. It is really irritating for those on DIGEST to have to wade through the same material over an over. Those on LIST mode (one post at a time) don't see this aggravation because they are following (or deleting) the posts in more or less real time. Point being: MYSELF INCLUDED, trim down, trim down, trim down. Or, as Sgt. Joe Friday used to say, "Just the facts Ma'am, just the facts." Craig P.S. I am pretty sure this email will BOUNCE but I am going to let it go through as an example of how things get "messed up." As I said, I am guilty as anyone sometimes. The culprit here is not trimming and getting to "just the facts" AND changing subject lines. On Apr 2, 2011, at 12:13 PM, mike marshall wrote: > this Dr. John Edwards > > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I72546 > ________________________________ > From: Janean Ray <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: Mike Marshall <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 11:43:20 AM > Subject: RE: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Fwd: William Carter - Lancaster Co. Va > > Well you can't throw a rock back then without hitting relations. The > Merryman/Payne connection comes to mind.... William Underwood is a good > clue. However as far as John Edwards...... I know it's a common name but I > do have one but don't know where he is from exactly but maybe the spousal > names could help. > > John Edwards s/o Wm. Edwards and Unk Harrison > Wife Jane Arrington > > Daughter Elizabeth Edwards m. 1737 to William Valentine King of > Stafford/Halifax Co's. <snip> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 6:02 PM > To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List > Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Fwd: William Carter - Lancaster Co. Va > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: mike marshall >> Date: March 31, 2011 10:11:25 PM EDT >> To: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> >> Subject: William Carter - Lancaster Co. Va >> >> Hi Craig >> >> Is this William the brother of Thomas Carter who married Catherine Dale? > I'm not finding him listed in the Carter books and usual places >> >> === >> 1652-1657 Lancaster County Order Book pg 290 >> Lancaster County Court 3d of September 1656 >> - Certificate of Land is granted unto Mr. WM. UNDERWOOD for the > transportacon of PETER LEONARD, MARY HAWKES, WILLM. CARTER & PAULL WOOD > accordinge to Act <snip>

Hi Janean,   I love the program, "Who Do You Think You Are."   Unfortunately, it's on Friday night, and I often miss the episodes (and I'm terrible about setting my DVR to record -- LOL)!    I noticed the last episode was on Gwyneth Paltrow, and it looked fascinating (I missed the first half of the program).  I think there was one on Tim McGraw, which I missed too, but sounds like it may have discussed some Northern Neck roots for him.   Did anyone catch it?   Speaking of good genealogy/history programs, there's apparently one coming up on the Smithsonian Channel on the Scots-Irish.   Someone sent me a reminder of this program, which I'm pasting below.   Thanks.   David   Just FYI for all of you interested in the history of the Scots-Irish in Ireland and America you might want to watch a new miniseries called "Born Fighting".  On April 10 there is a two part special on the Smithsonian channel (on U-verse, channel 118).  The first part airs at 8pm followed directly by Part II at 9pm.  They show several time over the next week.  There maybe other ways to see this series--I don't know. If someone finds a way to see it other than on this channel, please let us know.  Here are the descriptions:   Part I A group of Scots broke with the Roman Catholic Church and the Church of England and fought for their own unique interpretation of Protestantism which came to America with them and evolved into the fundamentalism that rules the Deep South.   Part II The Scots-Irish came to America from Northern Ireland and carried their strict moral values, their sense of honor, and their willingness to fight valiantly  under all circumstances to the New World, thus profoundly influencing the history of the U.S.  

Hi Charlene,   Ursula Bysshe is my 10x g-grandmother.    I think the best source of information for Ursula Bysshe is an excellent book by Alice Wright Algood.   According to Algood, all of Ursula's children were by her first husband Richard Thompson whom she married in 1641 in Maryland.   These children included Elizabeth Thompson who married Peter Presley and Sarah Thompson who married Thomas Willoughby.   Apparently, there was also a son named Richard who died young.   Ursula Bysshe was married three times -- first to Richard Thompson, then to John Mottram, and then finally to George Colclough (who, after Ursula's death, married Elizabeth Willoughby Oversee, the sister of Thomas Willoughby who married Ursula's daughter Sarah).   Algood says that John Mottram, Jr. was a son of John Mottram, Sr. by his first wife (in other words, he wasn't Ursula's son).   Apparently, after John Mottram, Jr.'s death, his widow (Ruth Griggs) married his nephew Mottram Wright.     Hope this helps.     David 

Thank you Janean for sharing this information regarding the portrait of Henry Clay.   Henry Clay was a first cousin of my gggg grandmother Mary Clay (1777-1860), daughter of Edward Clay & Magdalene Trabue.    Mary Clay married first to John Dameron and second to Wiliam Gold.  My line extends from John Dameron & Mary Clay through their daughter Patsy Dupuy Dameron who married her first cousin Alexander Morehead Dameron.   The Dameron family stems from Lawrence Dameron who settled in Northumberland Co., VA in the 1650's.    For anyone interested in  quick synopsis of Henry Clay, they may check this Wiki biography link:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Clay   Thanks.   David     --- On Sun, 4/3/11, Janean Ray <[email protected]> wrote: From: Janean Ray <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Fwd: Chinn Discovery To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 11:04 AM July 15, 2009 FORT WORTH, TX.- When The Illustrious Guest (1847) appeared on the PBS program Antiques Roadshow earlier this year, appraiser Alan Fausel of the Bonhams auction house said the painting "could hang in a museum." Now it is on display. The 19th-century painting by James Henry Beard depicts legendary Kentucky statesman Henry Clay (1777-1852) as a guest at a country tavern while on the campaign trail. The work is on long-term loan to the Amon Carter Museum by a private collector.

If this duplicates sorry, was having some issues posting it earlier. Found something interesting the other night watch Antique Roadshow. Famous painting which is NOW in a museum... "The Illustrious Guest" painted by James Henry Beard of HENRY CLAY. http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/mar/25/antiques-roadshow-dallas-texas-hour-one / I knew watching this I recognized that name so immediately went to my database. Henry Clay was the law partner to Richard Henry Chinn of Kentucky and grandson to Charles and Scythia Chinn and great grandson to ... you guessed it.. Rawleigh and Margaret. Richard Henry Chinn's wife.. Elizabeth Moore Holmes was the daughter of Suckey Chinn.. and granddaughter to Charles and Scythia Chinn.... hence, great granddaughter to Rawleigh and Margaret. The oldest son of John & Mildred Higgins Chinn was the Honorable Richard Henry Chinn, an attorney. He was the law partner of that noted statesman, Henry Clay. It has been documented that Richard Henry Chinn was the only man with who Henry Clay would ever enter in partnership; Clay was also the only person who presumed to call Richard Henry by the name of "Dick". According to "Aunt Eliza" in "Social Life in Old New Orleans": "My Mother would never have dared to do such a thing". One of the sons of Richard Henry Chinn was named "Henry Clay" after his old law partner. In an article written by Great Aunt Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, she makes mention of the fact that Henry Clay was a frequent visitor in the Chinn home. On one occasion she made a handkerchief for him which he always carried and used in the process of wiping his hands after taking a pinch of snuff. Richard Henry Chinn served twice in the Kentucky legislature... each time being elected by unanimous vote. The Honorable RICHARD HENRY CHINN married his (third) cousin, ELIZABETH (BETSY) MOORE HOLMES (with who, it is said, he fell in love with when he was six and she was three.) The Mother of ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES was SUSAN (SUCKY) CHINN, a daughter of the union between CHARLES and SYNTHE CHINN, and sister of JOHN CHINN who married MILDRED HIGGINS. Fourteen children were born to RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN. All of the children were born in Kentucky where he practiced law until approximately 1836. At that date he moved his family to Louisiana and took up his practice in the city of New Orleans. The youngest of the fourteen children of RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN was Elizabeth Moore Chinn McHatton Ripley (Aunt Eliza) author of "from Flag to Flag" and "Social Life in Old New Orleans". Another of their children was Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, Great-Grandmother of Benjamin Harrison Branch, Jr, author of the "Branch-Harris-Jarvis-Chinn" book of genealogy. In searching about the book... I actually found it scanned on line AND a picture of the author Elizabeth Moore Chinn McHatton Ripley... http://docsouth.unc.edu/fpn/ripley/ripley.html#ripley1 Janean

On behalf of Janean Ray, who was having bounce problems today. (No bounce notice came to me, don't know what the problem was):--Craig > Found something interesting the other night watch Antique Roadshow. Famous painting which is NOW in a museum….. “The Illustrious Guest” painted by James Henry Beard of HENRY CLAY. > > http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/mar/25/antiques-roadshow-dallas-texas-hour-one/ > > I knew watching this I recognized that name so immediately went to my database. > > Henry Clay was the law partner to Richard Henry Chinn of Kentucky and grandson to Charles and Scythia Chinn and great grandson to ……… you guessed it…… Rawleigh and Margaret. > > Richard Henry Chinn’s wife…. Elizabeth Moore Holmes was the daughter of Suckey Chinn…… and granddaughter to Charles and Scythia Chinn…….. hence, great granddaughter to Rawleigh and Margaret. > > The oldest son of John & Mildred Higgins Chinn was the Honorable Richard Henry Chinn, an attorney. He was the law partner of that noted statesman, Henry Clay. It has been documented that Richard Henry Chinn was the only man with who Henry Clay would ever enter in partnership; Clay was also the only person who presumed to call Richard Henry by the name of "Dick". According to "Aunt Eliza" in "Social Life in Old New Orleans": "My Mother would never have dared to do such a thing". One of the sons of Richard Henry Chinn was named "Henry Clay" after his old law partner. In an article written by Great Aunt Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, she makes mention of the fact that Henry Clay was a frequent visitor in the Chinn home. On one occasion she made a handkerchief for him which he always carried and used in the process of wiping his hands after taking a pinch of snuff. > Richard Henry Chinn served twice in the Kentucky legislature... each time being elected by unanimous vote. > The Honorable RICHARD HENRY CHINN married his (third) cousin, ELIZABETH (BETSY) MOORE HOLMES (with who, it is said, he fell in love with when he was six and she was three.) The Mother of ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES was SUSAN (SUCKY) CHINN, a daughter of the union between CHARLES and SYNTHE CHINN, and sister of JOHN CHINN who married MILDRED HIGGINS. Fourteen children were born to RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN. All of the children were born in Kentucky where he practiced law until approximately 1836. At that date he moved his family to Louisiana and took up his practice in the city of New Orleans. > The youngest of the fourteen children of RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN was Elizabeth Moore Chinn McHatton Ripley (Aunt Eliza) author of "from Flag to Flag" and "Social Life in Old New Orleans". Another of their children was Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, Great-Grandmother of Benjamin Harrison Branch, Jr, author of the "Branch-Harris-Jarvis-Chinn" book of genealogy. > > In searching about the book….. I actually found it scanned on line AND a picture of the author Elizabeth Moore Chinn McHatton Ripley….. http://docsouth.unc.edu/fpn/ripley/ripley.html#ripley1 > > Janean > >

Marsha, Yes, I remember the thread because I deleted all of them. You are RIGHT ON about subject lines. Remember, that is how rootsweb archives them. If you change the subject, change the subject line. Otherwise, all of your useful information will be hiding in cyberspace obscurity. Marsha, I will write to you off list about the FARRAR family. Craig On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:38 AM, marsha moses wrote: > But the point that I am trying to make is that extra time trying to get other's attention by a well planned or SHORT e-mail is time well spent--just as Craig was saying . marsha moses > > PS Don't forget the subject line....which of the two subjects that are separated by an "or" in my subject line is more likely to get a response from a reader?

Hi all, Janean is having "bounce problems" today and asked that I send this along. Ironically, I'm watching that very episode of Antiques Road Show right now, but also saw it on Monday. I didn't know about the Chinn connection, however. Janean: I don't recall anything being said about it hanging in a museum. It was owned by an individual whose grandfather had bought it somewhere along the way....as least what I think they said. Craig Begin forwarded message: > From: "Janean Ray" <[email protected]> > Date: April 2, 2011 12:10:34 PM EDT > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Chinn Discovery > > Having bouncing issues today. Teetered between sending to you first or the list…… but as I figured it bounced from the list, then sent to your old address apparently (earthlink) and it bounced again……. Not sure if its too long or what but maybe you can edit it and post if you find it worthy of posting. > > Janean > > > Found something interesting the other night watch Antique Roadshow. Famous painting which is NOW in a museum….. “The Illustrious Guest” painted by James Henry Beard of HENRY CLAY. > > http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/mar/25/antiques-roadshow-dallas-texas-hour-one/ > > I knew watching this I recognized that name so immediately went to my database. > > Henry Clay was the law partner to Richard Henry Chinn of Kentucky and grandson to Charles and Scythia Chinn and great grandson to ……… you guessed it…… Rawleigh and Margaret. > > Richard Henry Chinn’s wife…. Elizabeth Moore Holmes was the daughter of Suckey Chinn…… and granddaughter to Charles and Scythia Chinn…….. hence, great granddaughter to Rawleigh and Margaret. > > The oldest son of John & Mildred Higgins Chinn was the Honorable Richard Henry Chinn, an attorney. He was the law partner of that noted statesman, Henry Clay. It has been documented that Richard Henry Chinn was the only man with who Henry Clay would ever enter in partnership; Clay was also the only person who presumed to call Richard Henry by the name of "Dick". According to "Aunt Eliza" in "Social Life in Old New Orleans": "My Mother would never have dared to do such a thing". One of the sons of Richard Henry Chinn was named "Henry Clay" after his old law partner. In an article written by Great Aunt Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, she makes mention of the fact that Henry Clay was a frequent visitor in the Chinn home. On one occasion she made a handkerchief for him which he always carried and used in the process of wiping his hands after taking a pinch of snuff. > Richard Henry Chinn served twice in the Kentucky legislature... each time being elected by unanimous vote. > The Honorable RICHARD HENRY CHINN married his (third) cousin, ELIZABETH (BETSY) MOORE HOLMES (with who, it is said, he fell in love with when he was six and she was three.) The Mother of ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES was SUSAN (SUCKY) CHINN, a daughter of the union between CHARLES and SYNTHE CHINN, and sister of JOHN CHINN who married MILDRED HIGGINS. Fourteen children were born to RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN. All of the children were born in Kentucky where he practiced law until approximately 1836. At that date he moved his family to Louisiana and took up his practice in the city of New Orleans. > The youngest of the fourteen children of RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN was Elizabeth Moore Chinn McHatton Ripley (Aunt Eliza) author of "from Flag to Flag" and "Social Life in Old New Orleans". Another of their children was Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, Great-Grandmother of Benjamin Harrison Branch, Jr, author of the "Branch-Harris-Jarvis-Chinn" book of genealogy. > > In searching about the book….. I actually found it scanned on line AND a picture of the author Elizabeth Moore Chinn McHatton Ripley….. http://docsouth.unc.edu/fpn/ripley/ripley.html#ripley1 > > Janean > >

Joseph Lyon Miller, author of _The Descendants of Capt. Thomas Carter_ (Richmond, VA: Whitet & Shepperson, n.d.), didn't think that William was a brother of Thomas Carter who m. Katherine Dale. He wasn't even sure that John or Edward was, though circumstantial evidence points in that direction. I haven't seen anything linking William to the other Carters, but of course absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Miller says, pp. 9-15: "Captain Thomas Carter I of Corotoman, Lancaster County, married Katherine Dale. From the patent books Thomas Carter first appears in Virginia in 1637. He was then living in Isle of Wight County. A ship captain speaks of a Captain Thomas Carter of Nansemond on the James River as having certain tobacco. Major John Carter, Colonel Edward Carter, and Captain Thomas Carter were very closely associated in land ownership, land exchange and sale, both in Nansemond and in Lancaster. It is also interesting that all three were of about equal military rank. John, Edward, and Thomas owned land in Lancaster. John and Thomas lived on the Corotoman Creek. The first land which Thomas Carter I possessed here (1657) seems to have been a purchase from Colonel John Carter. Although there is no proof that these men were related, these facts and others furnish strong evidence that they were (see Cavaliers and Pioneers, Vol. I, by Nugent). Two authorities on the Carter family indicate that they may have been brothers." On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Mike Marshall wrote: > > > Is this William the brother of Thomas Carter who married Catherine Dale? > I'm not finding him listed in the Carter books and usual places > > > > === > > 1652-1657 Lancaster County Order Book pg 290 > > Lancaster County Court 3d of September 1656 > > - Certificate of Land is granted unto Mr. WM. UNDERWOOD for the > transportacon of PETER LEONARD, MARY HAWKES, WILLM. CARTER & PAULL WOOD > accordinge to Act > > === > > 1656-1661 Lancaster County Order Book pg 166 > > Lancaster County Court 13th of November 1661 > > - Upon a peticon to this Cort: by SAM: GRIFFIN, the assignee of Capt. > RICH: HOBBS agt. the Estate of WILL: CARTER (late deced.) It is ordered > (that in respect to the Widd: & Relict of the sd. WILL: CARTER, to whom the > administracon thereof doth p:perlie belonge hath not yet administered & as > this Cort: was this day informed bath imbezelled the saide Estate, noe p:son > whatsoever intrusted wth: any pte: of the sd. Estate upon any pr:tence > whatsoever until this Cort: doe further determine therein, (but at their > owne wills) > > === > > 1656-1661 Lancaster County Order Book pg 169 > > Lancaster County Court 12th of March 1661/62 > > - Administracon accordinge to Acte is granted unto WILLIAM NESSHAM upon > the Estate of WILL: CARTER, deced., hee puttinge in securitie accordinge to > Acte. HENRY ( ) & JO: SHARPE to apprize the Estate on Saturday next and is > likewise granted to the sd: WILL: NEESHAM for 3200 lb. of tobaccoe & ca: in > the first place out of the sd. Estate > > === > > 1662-1666 Lancaster County Order Book pg 299 > > Lancaster County Court 14th of ( ) 1664 > > - Whereas SUSAN CARTER, Daughter of WILL: CARTER, deced., was by order of > this Cort., putt unto JOHN EDWARDS till she should attaine her age of one & > twentie yeres. & by the sde. EDWARDS assigned unto THO: MARSHALL, & by the > sde. MARSHALL assigned unto RICHD. MERRYMAN, It is ordered by this Cort., > that the sde. SUSAN doe continue with: the sde. RICHD; MERRYMAN till she > attaine to the age of 21 yeres, accordinge to the tenor of the order granted > to EDWARDS >

Found something interesting the other night watch Antique Roadshow. Famous painting which is NOW in a museum... "The Illustrious Guest" painted by James Henry Beard of HENRY CLAY. http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/mar/25/antiques-roadshow-dallas-texas-hour-one / I knew watching this I recognized that name so immediately went to my database. Henry Clay was the law partner to Richard Henry Chinn of Kentucky and grandson to Charles and Scythia Chinn and great grandson to ... you guessed it.. Rawleigh and Margaret. Richard Henry Chinn's wife.. Elizabeth Moore Holmes was the daughter of Suckey Chinn.. and granddaughter to Charles and Scythia Chinn.... hence, great granddaughter to Rawleigh and Margaret. The oldest son of John & Mildred Higgins Chinn was the Honorable Richard Henry Chinn, an attorney. He was the law partner of that noted statesman, Henry Clay. It has been documented that Richard Henry Chinn was the only man with who Henry Clay would ever enter in partnership; Clay was also the only person who presumed to call Richard Henry by the name of "Dick". According to "Aunt Eliza" in "Social Life in Old New Orleans": "My Mother would never have dared to do such a thing". One of the sons of Richard Henry Chinn was named "Henry Clay" after his old law partner. In an article written by Great Aunt Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, she makes mention of the fact that Henry Clay was a frequent visitor in the Chinn home. On one occasion she made a handkerchief for him which he always carried and used in the process of wiping his hands after taking a pinch of snuff. Richard Henry Chinn served twice in the Kentucky legislature... each time being elected by unanimous vote. The Honorable RICHARD HENRY CHINN married his (third) cousin, ELIZABETH (BETSY) MOORE HOLMES (with who, it is said, he fell in love with when he was six and she was three.) The Mother of ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES was SUSAN (SUCKY) CHINN, a daughter of the union between CHARLES and SYNTHE CHINN, and sister of JOHN CHINN who married MILDRED HIGGINS. Fourteen children were born to RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN. All of the children were born in Kentucky where he practiced law until approximately 1836. At that date he moved his family to Louisiana and took up his practice in the city of New Orleans. The youngest of the fourteen children of RICHARD HENRY and ELIZABETH MOORE HOLMES CHINN was Elizabeth Moore Chinn McHatton Ripley (Aunt Eliza) author of "from Flag to Flag" and "Social Life in Old New Orleans". Another of their children was Ellen Alvarez Chinn Jarvis Conway, Great-Grandmother of Benjamin Harrison Branch, Jr, author of the "Branch-Harris-Jarvis-Chinn" book of genealogy. In searching about the book... I actually found it scanned on line AND a picture of the author Elizabeth Moore Chinn McHatton Ripley... http://docsouth.unc.edu/fpn/ripley/ripley.html#ripley1 Janean

It is not only too much information but also too little time....I had a wonderful example this past week or so....Craig is also on the list that I am referring to. I read but rarely comment on the "Research and writing about Virginia genealogy and family history." <[email protected]> mail list. It is a wonderful list. There was a thread going on that I wasn't deleting yet....but I wasn't reading either....(which means that eventually I'll delete on a day when I am doing housekeeping on my computer) about a lady named Katherine Banks. A URL was sent to read an article that was written in a GA newspaper for women's history day....none of that jumped out at me....about six messages later a lady posted the following: > Katherine was my 9th g g'mother by her daughter, Katherine Royall, her daughter, Katherine Perrin, her daughter, Catherine Farrar, her daughter Frances Barnett, her son John C Burmett, his son, Michaj Burnett, his daughter, Deliah Frances Burnett, her son, Thomas Jefferson Abbott, his son, Newton Thomas Abbott, his son, Edmond Thomas Abbott, then me. Nancy And that is all that she posted in her e-mail. I descend from a man named Perrin Farrar who lived in Lousia County, VA in the 1800's......SUDDENLY I was EXTREMELY interested in the posts.....and it looks as if I have some huge clues to look at that may take me back to Jamestown in the 1600's on a family line. I have known that there is a lot of information on the Farrar line and that it was interesting....but I just have never had the prod to get started on the line. Too busy in the Northern Neck and Orange/Culpeper/Louisa and the Revolution in NC, SC, Ga, and Va to spend time on it. If anyone wants the information on Katherine Banks, I'll be glad to send you the URL or article ....unless someone else on this list gets to it first. But the point that I am trying to make is that extra time trying to get other's attention by a well planned or SHORT e-mail is time well spent--just as Craig was saying . marsha moses PS Don't forget the subject line....which of the two subjects that are separated by an "or" in my subject line is more likely to get a response from a reader? , Craig Kilby wrote: > .... > > I do know that my attention span for email is limited. .... > Craig > >

this Dr. John Edwards http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I72546 ________________________________ From: Janean Ray <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Mike Marshall <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 11:43:20 AM Subject: RE: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Fwd: William Carter - Lancaster Co. Va Well you can't throw a rock back then without hitting relations.  The Merryman/Payne connection comes to mind.... William Underwood is a good clue.  However as far as John Edwards...... I know it's a common name but I do have one but don't know where he is from exactly but maybe the spousal names could help. John Edwards s/o Wm. Edwards and Unk Harrison Wife Jane Arrington Daughter Elizabeth Edwards m. 1737 to William Valentine King of Stafford/Halifax Co's. The Peytons of Virginia II (2004 William Valentine King was b. 1711 StaffordCo, VA.  He m. Elizabeth Edwards 21 May 1738.  He d. 1778, HalifaxCo, VA. Coinsidentally....... Susan Carter's association to Richard Merryman and the Merryman/Merriman's Payne association. Long shots and many families involved here but just thought I'd throw out the Edwards possible associations.  Searching collateral lines always helps complete the circle. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 6:02 PM To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List Cc: Mike Marshall Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Fwd: William Carter - Lancaster Co. Va With the permission of Mike Marshall, I'm forwarding this one along to our group. I don't know the answer to his question. I know of Thomas Carter and John Carter, but not this early William Carter. Can anyone help with this? Craig Begin forwarded message: > From: mike marshall > Date: March 31, 2011 10:11:25 PM EDT > To: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> > Subject: William Carter - Lancaster Co. Va > > Hi Craig >  > Is this William the brother of Thomas Carter who married Catherine Dale? I'm not finding him listed in the Carter books and usual places >  > === > 1652-1657 Lancaster County Order Book pg 290 > Lancaster County Court 3d of September 1656 > - Certificate of Land is granted unto Mr. WM. UNDERWOOD for the transportacon of PETER LEONARD, MARY HAWKES, WILLM. CARTER & PAULL WOOD accordinge to Act > === > 1656-1661 Lancaster County Order Book pg 166 > Lancaster County Court 13th of November 1661 > - Upon a peticon to this Cort: by SAM: GRIFFIN, the assignee of Capt. RICH: HOBBS agt. the Estate of WILL: CARTER (late deced.) It is ordered (that in respect to the Widd: & Relict of the sd. WILL: CARTER, to whom the administracon thereof doth p:perlie belonge hath not yet administered & as this Cort: was this day informed bath imbezelled the saide Estate, noe p:son whatsoever intrusted wth: any pte: of the sd. Estate upon any pr:tence whatsoever until this Cort: doe further determine therein, (but at their owne wills) > === > 1656-1661 Lancaster County Order Book pg 169 > Lancaster County Court 12th of March 1661/62 > - Administracon accordinge to Acte is granted unto WILLIAM NESSHAM upon the Estate of WILL: CARTER, deced., hee puttinge in securitie accordinge to Acte. HENRY ( ) & JO: SHARPE to apprize the Estate on Saturday next and is likewise granted to the sd: WILL: NEESHAM for 3200 lb. of tobaccoe & ca: in the first place out of the sd. Estate > === > 1662-1666 Lancaster County Order Book pg 299 > Lancaster County Court 14th of ( ) 1664 > - Whereas SUSAN CARTER, Daughter of WILL: CARTER, deced., was by order of this Cort., putt unto JOHN EDWARDS till she should attaine her age of one & twentie yeres. & by the sde. EDWARDS assigned unto THO: MARSHALL, & by the sde. MARSHALL assigned unto RICHD. MERRYMAN, It is ordered by this Cort., that the sde. SUSAN doe continue with: the sde. RICHD; MERRYMAN till she attaine to the age of 21 yeres, accordinge to the tenor of the order granted to EDWARDS > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With the permission of Mike Marshall, I'm forwarding this one along to our group. I don't know the answer to his question. I know of Thomas Carter and John Carter, but not this early William Carter. Can anyone help with this? Craig Begin forwarded message: > From: mike marshall > Date: March 31, 2011 10:11:25 PM EDT > To: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> > Subject: William Carter - Lancaster Co. Va > > Hi Craig > > Is this William the brother of Thomas Carter who married Catherine Dale? I'm not finding him listed in the Carter books and usual places > > === > 1652-1657 Lancaster County Order Book pg 290 > Lancaster County Court 3d of September 1656 > - Certificate of Land is granted unto Mr. WM. UNDERWOOD for the transportacon of PETER LEONARD, MARY HAWKES, WILLM. CARTER & PAULL WOOD accordinge to Act > === > 1656-1661 Lancaster County Order Book pg 166 > Lancaster County Court 13th of November 1661 > - Upon a peticon to this Cort: by SAM: GRIFFIN, the assignee of Capt. RICH: HOBBS agt. the Estate of WILL: CARTER (late deced.) It is ordered (that in respect to the Widd: & Relict of the sd. WILL: CARTER, to whom the administracon thereof doth p:perlie belonge hath not yet administered & as this Cort: was this day informed bath imbezelled the saide Estate, noe p:son whatsoever intrusted wth: any pte: of the sd. Estate upon any pr:tence whatsoever until this Cort: doe further determine therein, (but at their owne wills) > === > 1656-1661 Lancaster County Order Book pg 169 > Lancaster County Court 12th of March 1661/62 > - Administracon accordinge to Acte is granted unto WILLIAM NESSHAM upon the Estate of WILL: CARTER, deced., hee puttinge in securitie accordinge to Acte. HENRY ( ) & JO: SHARPE to apprize the Estate on Saturday next and is likewise granted to the sd: WILL: NEESHAM for 3200 lb. of tobaccoe & ca: in the first place out of the sd. Estate > === > 1662-1666 Lancaster County Order Book pg 299 > Lancaster County Court 14th of ( ) 1664 > - Whereas SUSAN CARTER, Daughter of WILL: CARTER, deced., was by order of this Cort., putt unto JOHN EDWARDS till she should attaine her age of one & twentie yeres. & by the sde. EDWARDS assigned unto THO: MARSHALL, & by the sde. MARSHALL assigned unto RICHD. MERRYMAN, It is ordered by this Cort., that the sde. SUSAN doe continue with: the sde. RICHD; MERRYMAN till she attaine to the age of 21 yeres, accordinge to the tenor of the order granted to EDWARDS > >

In response to popular demand, I have now changed the size of any particular post to 5 kb. That will prohibit the posting of ten-generation emails here. I have only banned two people on this large list since its inception in September 2009. I think I have only used the "moderate" list tool once. There are about 170 members on this list. This list has lots of great people, and lots of shared data and information. As the list administrator, it is my job to make the list run smoothly. This is why I have asked many times that each member stick to one topic at a time, and keep it simple. To this aim, reducing a post to 5 kb instead of 15 kb may help those who cannot grasp this concept to learn how to better correspond with others. Yes, this is my option as the list owner. I realize at first this will increase my work in terms of "bounces" that you will not see, and in which case I will simply return the bounced message back to its sender as "exceeded length." Bear with us as we try something new. Craig

As one who "falls asleep at the wheel" and I don't think I'm alone (I think Craig has nodded off a few times himself)..... what is being said is a fundamental rule on all lists. If everyone would read their welcome letters it is clearly set out in all of them. Each List Administrator posts the rules for the list in the welcome message that you receive when you join a list. These rules vary from list to list. Craig is the list administrator and therefore has the last word on the subject. As the old saying goes..... "ours is not to reason why, our is but to do or......." in this case get banned from the list. LOL I prefer to not argue with the captain of the ship! Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chocy Brown Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 11:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Some Reminders on Style Amanda, I appreciate your explaining "exactly" what your looking for and the explainations are greatly appreciated by me. There is need for more input, in my humble opionion. This particular list has very few postings and those that "do not" want to read a particular item can and do "hit" delete. Others, read each and every word and do not fall asleep at the wheel, so please do not become discouraged. Chocy From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:09:16 -0400 > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Some Reminders on Style > > Craig, > > Thank you for the explanation. > > Even though italics and bold didn't show, I did name the three people in the > record that I would like to ID. That ought to do it for my request at > present. > > Thank you, > Amanda > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Craig Kilby" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 6:29 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Some Reminders on Style > > > Rootsweb lists are TEXT ONLY. No underlining, no italics, no bold. NO > > ATTACHMENTS ARE ALLOWED (They will bounced back to you.) > > > > In other words: no enhancements to test will come through. > > > > In other words: Any attachments are automatically rejected by > > rootsweb.com. > > > > You MAY include an url/link to a web site. > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Hence why we ask that you to post one topic at a time. Citations are > > great, but please put at end of message. Please keep topics to one topic > > at a a time. Preferably in one paragraph and no more than three. > > > > Read again: one topic at a time. > > > > > > IN OTHER WORDS: STAY FOCUSED > > > > WHY? Nobody is going to read or wade through dozens of issues all at one > > time. Their eyes will glaze over and will you have wasted your time in a > > large audience. Think about the end user--in this case, the membership of > > this list. > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janean, You are by no means alone here. While I don't know if I have "Adult ADD" or not, I do know that my attention span for email is limited. I suspect most of us are the same. A query should be just that: a query. This means: one thing at a time. Not 100 things at a time. If one is posting new information, then make that clear too. And not 100 things at a time. Because if it isn't clearly written up front what one is talking about, and wanders off into umpteen other issues, it just goes to the delete file. (Read on) Keep each email separate and apart with one topic at a time. I say this so that posters will get the best results from a wide audience. Irrelevant information only distracts from what it is you are seeking to find answers to. Source information IS encouraged, but not when it disrupts the flow of the text., put it at the end of a paragraph (about one subject) or at the end of the entire email. On that topic, as Elizabeth Shown Mills says, any source citation is better than no source citation. Sometimes it can be figured out. Try to keep messages (at a time) to no more than three paragraphs. In my experience, this is the best method for using list serves like this to their fullest potential. I realize I have used more than three paragraphs in this message, against all the rules I learned in HIgh School English and my own admonishments. The internet is a different world, and we need to learn what works and what does not. Thinks look very different from your computer screen than from a printed version you read in your armchair. Craig On Apr 1, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Janean Ray wrote: > I know for me especially..... with Adult ADD, I get totally lost in too much > information. <snip> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I know for me especially..... with Adult ADD, I get totally lost in too much information. However there have been occasions where I have had to draft a somewhat wordy request for info on someone in particular because of the (1) common name he has, and (2) to show WHY I think he is the person he is. I have this carefully worded letter saved for when ever I need it. A lot of people have asked me time and time again.... questions about him..... or have given me tons of info I already have..... I hate for people to go to all the trouble to look up stuff I already have so I try to be explicit but not too overwhelming. Often times I will ask a very specific question and preface it by saying "I already have tons on this family but just need to know........ xyz" But I agree, complete family trees of 8 generations are TMI. Thanks for the reminders. You could actually do like a "thought for the day" type column. "the reminder for the day is"......... lol Just don't put it at the bottom where the unsubscribing info is because no one reads that either. LOL Janean ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Amanda, I appreciate your explaining "exactly" what your looking for and the explainations are greatly appreciated by me. There is need for more input, in my humble opionion. This particular list has very few postings and those that "do not" want to read a particular item can and do "hit" delete. Others, read each and every word and do not fall asleep at the wheel, so please do not become discouraged. Chocy From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:09:16 -0400 > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Some Reminders on Style > > Craig, > > Thank you for the explanation. > > Even though italics and bold didn't show, I did name the three people in the > record that I would like to ID. That ought to do it for my request at > present. > > Thank you, > Amanda > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Craig Kilby" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 6:29 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Some Reminders on Style > > > Rootsweb lists are TEXT ONLY. No underlining, no italics, no bold. NO > > ATTACHMENTS ARE ALLOWED (They will bounced back to you.) > > > > In other words: no enhancements to test will come through. > > > > In other words: Any attachments are automatically rejected by > > rootsweb.com. > > > > You MAY include an url/link to a web site. > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Hence why we ask that you to post one topic at a time. Citations are > > great, but please put at end of message. Please keep topics to one topic > > at a a time. Preferably in one paragraph and no more than three. > > > > Read again: one topic at a time. > > > > > > IN OTHER WORDS: STAY FOCUSED > > > > WHY? Nobody is going to read or wade through dozens of issues all at one > > time. Their eyes will glaze over and will you have wasted your time in a > > large audience. Think about the end user--in this case, the membership of > > this list. > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for information about Middleton Shaw in connection with an ancestor of mine Thomas Shaw (free African American & founght in the Rev. War soldier as a substitute). I found Middleton Shaw on two Northern Neck land grants in 1728 and 1731 in Stafford county near the Tuscarora Branch and he appears on other grants in that time period as an adjoining property owner. But I have not found a will or other deeds yet. If someone out there has any information on him, I would be grateful.