OK so let's see if this works now. I have recently received the information we've been seeking. Here is a letter just sent to me from the Author himself of the article we were waiting for by James R. Hancock. Greetings Brewster cousin: As historian for the Kentucky Mayflower Society I researched the two Anna/Anne Lees for a fellow member. Though the main purpose of the MD 59:1 article was to confirm that Hancock Lee had two (2) daughters, the half-sisters Anna and Anne Lee, I strongly agree with your assessment that Allerton Newton was in-fact the son of Sarah Allerton and her first husband, a Mr. Newton. Find attached pertinent pages from Mr. Dorman's incredible work Adv. of Purse and Person, which provide good explanations for this conclusion. Particular attention is called to footnotes 34 (page 652) and 52 (page 654). The fact that Isaac Allerton made the bequest to grandson Allerton Newton and to the children of his daughter Mrs. Travers, but not to the four children of John and Mary Newton, is very strong evidence in favor of this conclusion. And it is also important that Sarah Allerton was almost age 30 when she m. Hancock Lee. Given the marital customs of the day she would have most likely had a previous husband. When the obvious makes good sense I tend to stay with it. In this case, it's my view that those who think that John and Mary Newton were Allerton's parents, should bear the burden of showing the evidence that Isaac had a daughter Mary. I don't see it. May I add that Mrs. Merrick and Mr. Dorman agree on this matter. And as the preeminent Virginia genealogist, Mr. Dorman has researched these families for over 40 years, and most capable of drawing the best conclusions. I stand by him! James R. Hancock NOW from the actual text/footnotes which I can't paste here so I will retype. [34] Early accounts, following Charles F. Cochran, "Early Generations of the Newton Family of Westmoreland County, Virginia, "VXXXVI, pp. 298-302, XXXVII, 87-90, identified another daughter, Mary, who married John Newton, both dying 1699-1700, to account for Isaac Allerton's naming a grandson Allerton Newton in his will. More recently, Barbara Lambert Merrick, "Important Allerton/Brewster Connections," The Mayflower Descendants, XLII, pp. 117-23, suggested that since Isaac Allerton devised land jointly to grandson, Allerton Newton and daughter Sarah Lee, a more reasonable interpretation would be to identify Allerton Newton as Mrs. Lee's son by a previous marriage. Since Sarah was in her late twenties when she married Hancock Lee, a prior marriage is possible. Isaac Allerton bequeathed 1000 pounds of tobacco to Allerton Newton and to each of the children of his daughter Mrs. Travers, but made no such bequest to any of the four children of John and Mary Newton, that number being established by the will of John's father John Newton, 19 Aug. 1695-28 July 1697 (Westmoreland Co. Deeds & Wills 2, pp. 104a-106a). The omission of the eldest son, William Newton, has been explained because as heir-at-law he had already inherited a considerable estate, but the absence of a bequest to his brother Thomas Newton (identified in Richmond Co. Order Bk. 6, 1711-16, pp. 125. 142, 236), if they indeed were Allerton grandchildren, is surprising when all the identified Virginia grandchildren then born received bequests. Evidence to establish that Isaac Allerton had a daughter Mary and that it was she was mother of grandson Allerton Newton is lacking. [End footnote] [52]Merrick, loc. cit. The principal objection to acceptance of Mrs. Merrick's thesis that Sarah (Allerton) Lee had a first marriage to ______ Newton is that there is no readily identifiable Newton of that generation who could have been her husband (see Cochran, loc. cit.) It should be noted, however, that Sarah Allerton was aged nearly 30 when married to Hancock Lee, much older than customary for a (1) marriage in this period.[End footnote] So, short of any further documents where Allerton Newton states for certainty that he was the son of Sarah or for the lack of any actual birth record of any kind naming the parents I believe the subject is closed. It appears to me based on everything I've read anyway on both sides of the fence that the correct conclusion is here in this article and references/footnotes/sources. There is more proof that he WAS Sarah's son than Mary's and as stated by Mr. Hancock... the burden shifts to anyone to show evidence that Isaac even had a daughter named Mary. Mere conclusions by way of proximity of nearby residences don't hold water. Janean Janean D. Ray Office Manager Legal Defender Office One Cascade Plaza Suite 1940 Akron, Ohio 44308 PH. 330-434-3461 FX. 330-434-3371

Hello...... I don't normally do this because if there is a problem I won't get an email back but I'm testing this to see if it even goes through or not, so there is no need to reply because if it is ME and you reply I won't see it. I'm going to wait a bit and check the archives. So far there is only 4 emails to the list this month and Craig and I both know thats not the case. Trying to figure out if its me or Rootsweb. Janean

Mike, thanks for posting your information about Hannah Lee. I tried to email your yahoo account but was bounced, so I am having to post this lengthy email to the board. Sorry to the non Lees. I am trying to understand your comments and correlate them with what I previously had. Hope you will indulge me a few questions: 1. Was Hannah the daughter of Sampson Cooper of Maryland? 2. Who were Hannah's husbands? You note William Price of Charles Co. Md as her third husband. So, if that is right, is this also right? a) Robert Huett of Kent Island, Md. b) Hugh Lee of Northumberland, Va. c) William Price of Charles Co. Md. Seems curious that Hannah would marry William Price and, upon his death, revert to Hugh Lee's name. 3. You note Hannah as having two daughters, Susannah (married Robert Mason) and Elizabeth Rodham (married Robert? Kenner). Does this suggest Hannah was married to a Rodham? My notes from others suggest that Rodham Kenner (b. March 23, 1671) and Elizabeth Fox had a daughter Elizabeth who married a Bushrod. Any history pre 1700 on Rodham Kenner's family to explain this? Or on the Rodham family? 4. Your reference to Cherry Point is fascinating, as that area relates to my Cox family. I did not think the Coxes and Lees "hooked up" until the late 1800's. What is your Cherry Pt. info? Copied below is some of my Hugh Lee info. I look forward to hearing from you. Sandy Rowe (aka, William Lee Sandidge Rowe) Hugh was apparently granted land four times in Northumberland County. First, he was granted 100 acres on December 21, 1650 for importing himself and Rose Stockwell from Maryland (granted 50 acres per person under the headright program). Then, in 1654, he patented another 288 acres for importing another six persons; but he deserted this land and lost it. He finally settled in Northumberland County prior to May 13, 1657 for importing 22 persons, including the widow Hannah Hewitt whom he married. Hugh patented 400 acres in 1660 before his death before September 8, 1662 [book 2, 161]. Hugh's and Hannah's birthdays are deduced from affidavits they signed in Northumberland County on May 20, 1653 when they swore they were aged 44 and 37. Hugh's name is mentioned frequently in the Northumberland Court records. On April 13, 1652 he signed an oath to the Commonwealth of England (Cromwell) [Book 1, 72-3]. On January 20, 1652 his petition for a free school to be set up was granted. He served as a County Commissioner beginning August 20, 1655 and as a Justice beginning May 26, 1656 [Book 14, 84]. He acted as agent for many men, including the collection of debts. 1650 HUGH Lee bot 100 a., Northumberland Cty., adjoining own land(50 a. each as headrights- Maryland to the colony)-from St Mary's Cty, Maryland, ,just across Potomoc at Checacoun (became Northumberland Cty in 1648) Born ca 1609, died 1 April, 1662. Married Hannah, 1650. Hannah Born 1616, St. Mary's Son born a1640, also HUGH. Apparently returned to England with his mother, and back to the Colony in 1657 & 1658. (Hannah was widow of Robert Huett) 1656 Renewed 388 a., Northumberland, on Old Indian Field-King's Creek out of Chycokoon Rv 1657 transported 22 persons including Hannah Lee(wife). Headright entitlement allowed 1100 a. in Petameek freshes above Puscatoway. Died about 1662. 1658 John Ellis transported 28 persons including HUGH Lee II- son of Hugh and Hannah. Ellis settled near Appomattox River.

hi Sandy, 1. I'm showing Hannah as a sister to Sampson because of the Nephew reference to Hugh Lee in his will.  Sampson's son Samuel shows up in St. Mary's Co. MD records for a few more years and then disappears. best place to start is this link that has some of her marriage related records. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I73734 yes it is curious that Hannah would marry William Price and, upon his death, revert to Hugh Lee's name.... and records show she moved back to the northern neck. I'm currently revisiting the early Northumberland order books (currently at 1684) to proof marriages to about 1710 then start a similar exercise with Westmoreland, Richmond & King George. Maybe more records will flesh out (Lancaster and Old Rappahannock are done) mm ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 8:47:47 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Hannah Cooper wife of Hugh Lee & William Price Mike, thanks for posting your information about Hannah Lee.  I tried to email your yahoo account but was bounced, so I am having to post this lengthy email to the board.  Sorry to the non Lees. I am trying to understand your comments and correlate them with what I previously had.  Hope you will indulge me a few questions: 1.  Was Hannah the daughter of Sampson Cooper of Maryland?  2.  Who were Hannah's husbands?  You note William Price of Charles Co. Md as her third husband.  So, if that is right, is this also right? a)  Robert Huett of Kent Island, Md. b)  Hugh Lee of Northumberland, Va. c)  William Price of Charles Co. Md. Seems curious that Hannah would marry William Price and, upon his death, revert to Hugh Lee's name. 3.  You note Hannah as having two daughters, Susannah (married Robert Mason) and Elizabeth Rodham (married Robert? Kenner).  Does this suggest Hannah was married to a Rodham?  My notes from others suggest that Rodham Kenner (b. March 23, 1671) and Elizabeth Fox had a daughter Elizabeth who married a Bushrod.  Any history pre 1700 on Rodham Kenner's family to explain this?  Or on the Rodham family? 4.  Your reference to Cherry Point is fascinating, as that area relates to my Cox family.  I did not think the Coxes and Lees "hooked up" until the late 1800's.  What is your Cherry Pt. info?    Sandy Rowe (aka, William Lee Sandidge Rowe)

Hi all, Our fellow list member, Bill McCarty, recently donated thirteen USGS Quadrant maps to the Northern Neck of Virginia Historical Society. I LOVE MAPS! The quadrants cover Westmoreland, Richmond, Essex, Northumberland and Essex Counties, and some parts of Maryland. They are: Colonial Beach South Stratford Hall St. Clement's Island Champlain Montross Machodoc Kinsale Mount Landing (Essex County) Haynesville (Warsaw, Richmond Co.) Lottsburg Lancaster Morattico Lively Thank you, Bill, very much. I have entered these on the NNVHS on-line catalog. You can type in keyword MPS or just USGS for a fuller description of towns, creeks, rivers, etc that are on these maps. Go to: http://www.librarything.com/catalog/NNVHS Craig Kilby

Hannah Cooper and Hugh Lee moved from Cherry Point in Northumberland Co. VA to St. Mary's Co. MD.  After the death of Hugh Lee and her 3rd husband William Price in St. Mary's Co. Md, Hannah moved back to Northumberland Co. Va and continued the use of "Lee" as her name in future records The Robert Mason (d 1710 St. Mary's Co Va) mentioned in this record married Hannah's daughter Susannah Rodham (d 1717 St. Mary's Co. Va This record book also has a few records for Elizabeth Hewlitt's daughter Elizabeth Rodham and her husband Robert Kenner. Have not identified the Anne Graves mentioned as a witness there were no further mention of Hannah in the next 15 years of Northumberland order books. === 1674-1677 Order Book Northumberland Co Va; Antient Press: Pg 220 Northumberland County Court 3d of February 1674/5 - Probate MRS. RHODUM's Will This day ye Nuncupative Will and Testament of MRS. ELIZABETH RHODUM was proved by the Oaths of HANAH LEE and ANNE GRAVES, witnesses to the Will and a Probate thereof granted Mr. ROBERT MASON on his Petition Executor of ye Will HANAH LEE aged about sixty yeares or thereabouts maketh Oath yt when MRS. ELIZABETH RHODUM lay upon her death bed asked her she would have her Estate proved of after her death which is as follows, That ROBERT MASON should be her Executor and Mr. JOHN COTANCEAU to be her Overseer and ye Estate to be divided between ye two younger Daughters, to say, SUSANNA and MARY equally according to her Husband's Will and that her younger Daughter should goe along with her Syster, SUSAN and that Mr. JOHN COTANCEAU to be Overseer of her younger Daughter, MARY, and that she gave to her Daughter, SUSAN, her wearing apparrell and one good ringe to her Daughter, SUSANNA, and one other good ringe to her Daughter, MARY. sign HANAH LEE

This may be of interest to many of you. This unit camped out in the Northern Neck (Lancaster) in 1864, if memory serves me correctly. We have the book on this unit both at MBW and the Northern Neck Historical Society. In fact, the NNVHS has the complete series of the Regimental Units. MBW has only those books pertaining to the Northern Neck proper. I have not yet cataloged the entire series at NNVHS in Montross on our librarything.org site, but it is next on my list. Craig Begin forwarded message: > From: Laura Perry <[email protected]> > Date: April 23, 2011 1:22:13 PM EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VASTAFFO] Mosby Ranger Descendant Reunion in September > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Some of you may be researching men who were members of Mosby's Rangers > during the War of 1861-1865. You may want to know that there is a reunion > for descendants of Rangers this September. I am not affiliated with the > group, so anyone interested should check out the web site at > http://www.mosbyheritagearea.org/ > ~ Laura > > The Third Annual Mosby Ranger Descendant Reunion will be held on Saturday, > September 10, 2011 from 10:00 a.m. until 4:00 p.m. at the Inn at Kelly’s > Ford at Remington, Virginia. Meet descendants of Col. John S. Mosby and his > Rangers, see artifacts and documents, and enjoy a program that includes Col. > Mosby interpreter, Gary Carroll, Mosby stories told by MHAA’s Gray Ghost > Interpretive Group and the roll call of Ranger descendants by company. Local > and nationally known authors will be on hand to sign their books. Everyone > is invited! > > Tickets: $55 per person; $50 for MHAA members (includes lunch and reunion > memento) > > Make reservations online at www.mosbyheritagearea.org, Calendar Page > > or by phone 540-687-6681 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

--- On Fri, 4/22/11, DAVID BROWN <[email protected]> wrote: From: DAVID BROWN <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] John Sharp(e), died by 1763, Married Susannah Hoard/Hord, Daughter of Thomas Hoard/Hord & Jane Miller To: [email protected] Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 5:56 PM I inquired the other day as to whether John Sharpe who married Susannah Hoard may have been a son of Elias Sharp (who married Margaret Proctor).   The following record was of relevance concerning my inquiry:     >From "Hord Family of Virginia," 1915 by Arnold Harris Hord: In the Order Book of King George County, 1751-55, pp. 102-103, "Thomas Hord, Junior, Benjamin Strother, Robert Elliston and Peter Jett, are appointed Jurors." July 4, 1763, Susannah Sharp was administrator of John Sharp, deceased, with Thomas Hord.   Since I posted my inquiry, I've discovered a couple of associations which may circumstantially support John Sharpe as son of Elias Sharp.   The first association is through Thomas James who purchased land from George Sharp which was inherited from Elias Sharp.   A few years later, it seems that one of the executors of Thomas James' will was Thomas Hoard, possible brother-in-law of John Sharpe, who "may have been" brother to George Sharp.  I'm pasting the record of the land transaction below.     The second association is from a record I found in Caroline Co., VA which I am also including below.  The Caroline Co., VA record shows association between George Sharp and the Miller family.  Supposedly, Susannah Hoard who married John Sharpe had maternal grandfather Simon Miller (would be nice to have proof of this statement, if anyone happens to know).   Again, I'm including the relevant records below.   Thanks and Happy Easter to all.   David     Virginia County Records SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY 1721-1800 DEEDS:   DEED BOOK F 1761-1766, page 242:  June 3, 1765. George Sharp and Mary, his wife, of Spts. Co., to Thomas James of Fredksbg. £35 curr. 150 a. in Spts. Co., part of a tract of land devised by George Proctor, Decd., to his daughter, Margaret, who inter-married with Elias Sharp, father of the sd. George Sharp, who is eldest son and heir at law of sd. Elias, who dying intestate, whereby sd. land descended to the sd. George, party to these presents, etc. Witnesses, J. Lewis, Chs. Robinson, Geo. Stubblefield, Francis Taliaferro, John Chew. June 3, 1765.      >From Amanda Douglass (I am only including snippets of the will in attempt to keep this as condensed as possible):   Ref: Abstracts of Fauquier County, Virginia Wills, inventories and Accounts 1759-1800 by John K Gott, PP 77 and 78.    Will of Thomas James of Fauquier County, VA, 1729 - About 1776.   From RootsWeb Message Board, Fauquier Co. posted by Kathleen Clifton-Duval, 1/23/2000:    In the name of God Amen, I Thomas James of the County of Fauquier... ITEM: My will is that my Executors make salle of the following tracts and Lotts of Land to wit: The land in Spotsylvania County that I purchased of George Sharpe, my Lott and houses in the Town of Fredricksburg, know by the name, Long Ordinary and one thousand acres of the land I have purchased of Warner Washington....Lastly I so constitute and appoint my friends, Charles Bruce, Thomas Hoard, Gerard Banks, and my brother, John James, Executors; to this my last Will and Testament.     {CE.OB-03/89}  “Virginia County Court Records – Order Book Abstracts of Caroline County, Virginia 1765-1767” Edited & Published by Ruth & Sam Sparacio, The Antient Press.   “Ordered Simon Miller, John Miller, Richard Alcock & George Sharp or any three of them do appe. The Estate of Richd. Satterwhite being first sworn.”   

Any information would be appreciated—Court, County, or Church, but no website or undocumented family listings—on 1). On 7 December, 1709, James Grant bought 100 acres from Jonathan Clark (Richmond County Book 5) bordering heirs of William Colston, Peter Gallon, and Capt. Alexander Doniphan. This “land bought of Jonathan Clark” was sold by James Grant on January 20/21 1740 (King George Deed Book). It appears again in the Will of Thomas Monteith (6 March, 1746) where “I give my daughter the land I bought of James Grant.” The land from the records appears to be near Lamb Creek where William Grant/Margaret/Alice and sons John and Daniel had land (summary in © Samson, F. B. 2009. *A Northern Neck Grant Family* 286 pages ISBN1449540791). Of interest are a number of court cases against a James Grant—a court history like that of William of William/Elizabeth/Alice Grant, and a record for a William Grant dates to 1710. Does a Court, County, or Church record identify these two as brothers? 2) On May 2/3 1723, a possible second “James Grant now lives as tenet” on land sold by Robert Doniphan to William Thorton, land with a history to John and George Mott and bordering daughter Elinor. Numerous records (1722-1736) show James Grant, Robert Doniphan, often William Proctor, John Stewart, and or Jere. Bronaugh to have served as estate inventory and appraisers. Does a Court, County, or Church record exist to identify this James Grant as the father of William Grant who married Margaret Glendenning with their son James (born 1723-25) being named after the grandfather with daughter Jane marrying her cousin John Glendenning. This son James Grant (about 1723-25 to about 8 December, 1805), wife Asa Diskin, family, and presence in Caswell County NC are well known (see Faulkner, W. S. Grant Family. 1923. *The William and Mary Quarterly* 3: 260 among many other sources). Thank you. Fred Samson

Any information would be appreciated—Court, County, or Church, but no website or undocumented family listings—on 1) An adult James Grant of the Thumb Run area in 1775/76 that signed the well known and famous “The Ten Thousand Name Petition” ( http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=relpet&fileName=000/013/013page.db&recNum=0Service) (J. P. Hall. 1999. Legislative Petitions: The Ten Thousand Name Petition. *Magazine of Virginia Genealogy *37: 58). 2) An adult James Grant in 1775/76 that signed the well known and famous “The Ten Thousand Name Petition” associated with names of the Hume/Fiery Run area. 3) James Grant of the 1778 Payne Lease for Lives on the Manor of Leeds, 4) James Grant, husband to Catherine (relict of James Jones) known from 24 January, 1743, King George Deed Book 2, to settle for land sold by son James Jones of Catherine’s first marriage. (see also 2 September 1755 King George deed Book 4)—did James and Catherine have children?. 5) James Grant and John Grant in the 1773 litigation by William Allison and John Jones (of Bull Run Church) and by Charles Walter (Fauquier County Minute Book 1773-1775). Please, no reference to the Barbee list, see Samson, F. B. 2009 *A Northern Neck Grant Family Amazon CreateSpace, 289 pages, *ISBN 1449540791*--*Chapters II, III, and IV which considers this information which often includes a James Grant, nor James, son of George Grant, born about 1770. Thank you, Fred B. Samson

Is there anyone out there who has a William Clark(e) of Westmoreland Co Va. in their tree. My best guess is the William Clark I'm looking died between 1700-3 ? >From an article on the Sheriffs of Westmoreland Co Va. Captain Lawrence Washington presented to the Court his Excellency the Governors Commission to be Sheriff of this County." Mr. Washington was appointed to serve one more year by the Governor. * Mr. William Clark * was his deputy. >From May 25, 1692 "Captain Lawrence Washington produced to the Court the Rt. Honorable to be the Sheriff of this county and having the oaths instead of Supremecy and Allegience was admitted and sworn into the Office of Sheriff" * Mr. William Clark * and Mr. John Washington, Jr., were his deputies. June 24, 1691 Francis Wright was re-elected as the High Sheriff and * Mr. William Clark * and Nathaniel Pope were his deputies. Below is my interest ( excerpts from my files) Peter Duncan ........ "was named trustee in the will of William Clarke . . . loving wife Mary, James Clarke & William Clarke, Executors. Peter Smith and Peter Dunkan, trustees Aug 25, 1703, according to the Wills and Deeds Book 3, page 176, 2n amount was due Dennis Cornhill from the estate of William Clark. Dennis Cornhill (marrried Ann Duncan) and was brother-in-law of Peter Duncan II, named above. Deputy John Hartly (or Hartley) is believe to have married Peter Duncan's sister, Rebecca Duncan Kirtley. Peter II, Ann & Rebecca we children of Peter Duncan (b.c. 1633 - d.c. 1685) who lived in the Nomini Creek, Westmoreland Co, Va, For the moment, I'm making an assumption that William Clark of Westmoreland is the right man, so looking any info I can find on this William Clark to prove or disprove a connection. Hoping someone else has encounter him or has more info on him. PS: Since he is styled "Mr" and was a Deputy Sheriff in Westmoreland Co, Va., dealing with some notable people, one would think there would be all sorts of info on him, but I have not had any luck finding, so far - Any help appreciated. -- Fred Duncan

Does anyone know the identity of the parents of John Sharp(e) who married Susannah Hoard/Hord (apparent daughter of Thomas Hoard & Jane Miller)?   I have wondered if this John Sharp could be the son of Elias Sharp who married Margaret Proctor.     Susannah Hoard Sharp was administrator of John Sharp's estate in 1763 and supposedly married next to John Shelton.   Some show the couple as having a daughter named Mary Elizabeth Sharp who married Edward Herndon (this Mary Elizabeth Sharp & Edward Herndon supposedly had at least two children including sons named Thomas Hoard Herndon & George Richardson Herndon).       We find mention of the couple in the "Hord Family of Virginia," 1915 by Arnold Harris Hord as follows:     In the Order Book of King George County, 1751-55, pp. 102-103, "Thomas Hord, Junior, Benjamin Strother, Robert Elliston and Peter Jett, are appointed Jurors." July 4, 1763, Susannah Sharp was administrator of John Sharp, deceased, with Thomas Hord.      Credit goes to Jim Maddox who may have located 3 of the children of Elias Sharp who marriued Margaret Proctor as follows (I should note that we are only definite on George Sharp thanks to 1765 deed where he disposed of land owned by Elias Sharp):   1. George Sharp m. Mary Unknown (George was bound out to Richard Elkins in 1745 & Richard Elkins was administrator for Elias Sharp estate).  Later, George Sharp was bound out to George Morton.  In 1765, George Sharp & wife Mary sell the same land originally owned by William Strother and sold to George Proctor, Sr. who bequeathed to Margaret Proctor Sharp Grigsby wife of Elias Sharp who left the land to his son George Sharp.  2. John Sharp was bound out to George Morton (NFI on this John Sharp, but we have a George Morton married to Margaret Strother, whose grandfather sold land to George Proctor.   Could this John Sharp be the same person who married Susannah Hoard?) 3. Elizabeth Sharp was bound out to Jael Reeds

Info I have on the Edward Carter who married into the Merriman family Edward Carter acted as an appraiser of estates and witness to many deeds , often working with Richard or William Merriman. In 1680, Audrey Merriman (widow of John Merrriman) appears as the wife of Edward Carter. A deed dated 10 November 1680 reads: Indenture between “ William Merriman, planter, eldest son of John Merriman, of same county, decd; Charles Merriman, wheelwright, youngest son of the sd John Merriman, and Edward Carter of the same county, planter, and Audrie his wife, the widow and relict of sd John Merriman, decd conveying to Lt Col John Carter, gent and Capt David Fox, gent, for 1000# tobacco for the use of the county to establish a town, 50 acres, part of a patent of 500 acres dated 14November 1649, to sd John Merriman, decd..50 acres standing on the point at the mouth of a small creek on the east side thereof, which said creek borders onto the house of Mr. Edward Carter, from the point on downwards to the mouth of a main creek, issueth out of the mouth of Corotoman River and goes by the name of Merriman’s Creek..for a town. (from Sparico Order Books) In Court 9 November 1664, “Edward Carter, servant to Col John Carter coming into this country without Indenture and having served four years, did at this court peticon for his freedom p:tendge he was set but for four years. The said Col Carter did make oath that when he bought the said Edward Carter there was not any mention made of what time he was to serve. Whereupon this court doth order the said Edward Carter to serve five years according to Acte of Assembly in such cases Elenora Green

Thanks to Mike for perseverance in tracking down John Carter's (ca 1613-1669) five wives. This record contradicts Clifford Dowdey's statement that Elizabeth Sherley was a "widow of Gloucester County," as she is described here as a "spinster." Maybe we can quit hunting for an elusive Sherley husband and start looking for a father. I don't have any Gloucester Co record books handy--does someone else on this list? Kathleen On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 Mike Marshall wrote: > > Gloucester Records from other Virginia Counties pg 125 > Pg 63: MARRIAGE CONTRACT - JOHN CARTER AND ELIZABETH SHERLEY - 1668 > Marriage contract tripartite - between John Carter Jr., John Carter Esqr > father > of John Carter Jnr, both of the county of Lancaster, and Elizabeth Sherley > Spinster of the county of Gloucester; foreasmuch as there is a marriage to > be > solomized between sd John Carter Esqr and Elizabeth Sherley, a joynture in > lieu > of dower in the lands of the sd John Carter Esqr for his life then to > Elizabeth > Sherley for her life for her joynture then to the heirs of the sd John > Carter > Esqr, second.? 24th Oct 1668 John Carter > Recd: Lancaster County Court 15th February 1668 > Teste Edmd Dale Cl Curr > >

A recent post and subsequent comments deserve more explanation. It was the home of Robert Carter III, aka "Councilor" (a moniker I don't think he deserves), of WESTMORELAND County. He was the grandson of Robert "King" Carter, and great grandson of Col. John Carter, founder of this line, also of LANCASTER County. I will only here quote from Mary R. Miller's *Place Names of the Northern Neck* _____ "Nomini Hall. Tract. Westmoreland County. South of Machodac and Beales Corner near Howell's Fork. "The tract at one time contained 3500 acres. Built about 1730 or 1732 by Robert "King" Carter for Councillor Robert Carter (b 1726), his grandson, the house was destroyed by fire in 1850, but not before being immortalized in the Journal and Letters of Phillip Vickers Fithian, the tutor of the Carter children. An avenue of tulip poplars leads to the eighteeth-century house site." ________ While the house no longer stands, it is still the site of the annual event sponsored by the Northern Neck of Virginia HIstorical Societyto commorate the largest manumission of slaves in Virginia, by Robert "Councilor" Carter III of Nomini Hal in 1793--great grandson of Col. John Carter of Corrotoman, Lancaster County. (He actually filed this in District Court at Northumbland County, where it remains of record.) See also: Andrew Levy, "The First Emancipator, The Forgotten Story of Robert Carter, The Founding Father Who Freed His Slaves" (New York: Random House, 2005) and John Fea, "The Way of Improvement Leads Home: Philip Vickers Fithian and the Rural Enlightenment in Early America" (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 2008) Craig P.S. I will first mention this here, and will again. Most of you here could save a lot of time and money if you would simpy usr the searchable on-line catalog available to you at not charge from your very own own chair libary by clicking on (and using) this simple and absolutely free site: mbwm.org >From that home page, click on the the "SEARCH OUR CATLOG"

Mike, I promise myself that I am going to leave my Hawkins family on the back burner until I am able to go to Orange/Louisa/Culpeper and the Library of VA (this summer---I hope) to do some land research....but then I see your Marshall name and I can't help but ask if you research the Marshall name....and if it is a Northern Neck name..... Where was this family in the mid to late 1700's and early to mid 1800's. I believe it quite likely that my name comes from the Marshall family that I find in Orange County in the early 1800's....Coleman Marshall was a Tanner by trade and was closely connected to my T.R. Hawkins who was also a Tanner. They had a family connection in that T.R. Hawkins's uncle was married to Mary/Polly Bickers who was the sister to Coleman's wife---Joanna Bickers. It is possible that there were other family connections. I believe that it is quite likely that T.R. Hawkins's grandson, Jesse Marshall Hawkins, was named after either Coleman Marshall or the family name in general....my dad (James Marshall Hawkins) was named after his grandfathers (one of which was Jesse Marshall Hawkins)....and I was named after my dad--female version....Marsha Hawkins Moses. On Apr 16, 2011, at 8:55 PM, mike marshall wrote:

Mike, As we discussed yesterday and about my "Missouri Attitude", let me offer the following comments and edits: On Apr 17, 2011, at 8:34 AM, mike marshall wrote: > This record is for the first husband of Elizabeth Carter d/o John Carter & Jane > Glynne... and shows her next two husbands. From FTM CD#206 WHAT IS FTM CD #206? Oh, I know it menas Family Tree Maker CD #206, but that can hardly be called a primary source. I have read through this and still don't know how you connect this to John Carter and Jane Glynne. I see no connection to those people in this record. Can you explain this? > === > Col. Nathaniell Utie 12.143 A BA (Baltimore Maryland) #93667 #71734 Say what? Who? When? Balitmore? #93665 and #71734 refer exactly to what? It certainly is not a Virginia County record book. > Sep 7 1686 > Payments to: Mr. James Mills, Thomas Hedge, Capt. Abraham Wilde, Dr. John > Ireland, Symon Dawkins, Joseph Sanders, Edward Inglish, Col. George Wells, Jacob > Young, James Phillips, John Lifland, Samuell Gibbons, Ebenezar Milam, John Bull, > John Wade, Lawrence Tayler, Richard Whitton (runaway), Robert Ridgely, Mr. John > Dixon, Owen Williams, Dennis Inglish, John Moll, William Taylard. [INSERT SPACE HERE FOR THE READER] > List of debts (runaway, insolvent, dead): WHO ON THIS LIST IS IN WHICH CATEGORY? ONE IS EITHER A RUNAWAY, INSOLVENT OR DEAD, BUT NOT ALL THREE AT ONCE. > Capt. Carleton, Ralph Hutchinson, > Andrew Perterson, Mr. Collett, James Robinson, Oxill Steele, Richard Lake, > Francis Trippus & Vanderman, Francis Trippus, James Hutto, Peter Jones, Edward > Crannes, John Tarkington, Cornelius Boys, Edward Inglish paid to Mr. Burford, > Mrs. Boston. [INSERT SPACE HERE FOR THE READER] > Distribution to: widow (unnamed) I BET SHE IS NAMED ELSEWHERE IN ANOTHER RECORD. (SHE IS, READ BELOW) Let's break this next part down, still under distribution of estate of.....WHO? PLEASE EXPLAIN. : [LEGAL HEIRS] > Anthony Drew who married a neice (unnamed) of > deceased, > George Utie (nephew of deceased), > Bethya Utie (neice of deceased). > Administratrix: Elisabeth Johnson (relict), wife of Henry Johnson. VOILA! Here is where learn who the widow was. She was Elizabeth, now married to Henry Johnson. > Came: On 11 June 1694 Edward Boothby who married the widow (unnamed) of Henry > Johnson. And now we learn that Elizabeth is now married a third time, this time to Edward Boothby. But I still don't know whose estate she was administering in the first place. Please enlighten me! Craig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Camille, Not sure if I've been complimented or slapped here, But no matter. It's always great to hear from you. Craig On Apr 16, 2011, at 10:51 PM, camille wells wrote: > Classy touch, Mr. Kilby. > > On Apr 16, 2011, at 9:25 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > >> JUST THE FACTS MA'AM, JUST THE FACTS. >

This record is for the first husband of Elizabeth Carter d/o John Carter & Jane Glynne... and shows her next two husbands.  From FTM CD#206 === Col. Nathaniell Utie 12.143 A BA (Baltimore Maryland)  #93667 #71734 Sep 7 1686 Payments to: Mr. James Mills, Thomas Hedge, Capt. Abraham Wilde, Dr. John Ireland, Symon Dawkins, Joseph Sanders, Edward Inglish, Col. George Wells, Jacob Young, James Phillips, John Lifland, Samuell Gibbons, Ebenezar Milam, John Bull, John Wade, Lawrence Tayler, Richard Whitton (runaway), Robert Ridgely, Mr. John Dixon, Owen Williams, Dennis Inglish, John Moll, William Taylard. List of debts (runaway, insolvent, dead): Capt. Carleton, Ralph Hutchinson, Andrew Perterson, Mr. Collett, James Robinson, Oxill Steele, Richard Lake, Francis Trippus & Vanderman, Francis Trippus, James Hutto, Peter Jones, Edward Crannes, John Tarkington, Cornelius Boys, Edward Inglish paid to Mr. Burford, Mrs. Boston. Distribution to: widow (unnamed), Anthony Drew who married a neice (unnamed) of deceased, George Utie (nephew of deceased), Bethya Utie (neice of deceased). Administratrix: Elisabeth Johnson (relict), wife of Henry Johnson. Came: On 11 June 1694 Edward Boothby who married the widow (unnamed) of Henry Johnson.