In addition to Craig's examples of deed information, they can also be used to confirm the existence or non existence of a person at the date of the instrument (not the recording date). Another use, which is onerous, is to unscramble families whose offspring all to seem to have the first names. If you find John Smith living in X parish and another John Smith in Y parish at the same time, you know you are probably dealing with two different individuals. You can go further and try to establish the precise locations. Caveat - that can be time consuming. Finally. Deeds as a generally recognized principle of law, are high in the veracity chain, rating above matter written in wills. Deeds often contain what is known as the "being" clause, as in "being the same property which was owned by A and willed to his son, B, etc." This is accepted as totally binding in most courts.
Hello all, Just a reminder that I have the "bounce" feature at rootsweb to "five." What this means is that you have changed your email address but fail to unsub and resub to this list, after five attempts to send you an email from the list you will be automatically removed from the list. Several months ago, many people were wiped off of rootsweb lists all over the USA, mainly those with AOL, ATT and VERIZON addresses. Actually, this also affected people over the globe. We are a global economy and some our global tech people thought fit to consider anything related to rootsweb and its parent company, ancestry.com, as spam. In their efforts to protect you from themselves, they unilaterally unsubscribed you from rootsweb lists. I sent out a warning about this as the wave was cascading across the plains, but many members did not read the message in time. By the time the wave hit Virginia, we lost about 30 members. I am hoping they all figured this out and resubbed. There was a lot of activity at that time. Also a reminder that this list has a limited capacity for any specific message. This is to say, ten or so paragraphs should easily go through, but pasting a ten generation chart or copy and pasting several pages from a book will probably result in a bounce. These, however, come to me directly. Again, I suggest posting items to the list one topic at a time, and not to include 10 generations, spouses and umpteen pedigrees. The typical reader will usually go to sleep and then delete the entire message, even though buried in all of that may be some good material. My point here is to make the list work for everyone, and for everyone to make the best use of this list. Attention spans are short on the internet. Last, I will be resending a list of some of my favorite links since I have not done this in quite a while. Some of our newer members may know of them, and some of us may forgotten them. Coming soon! Craig Kilby craigkilby.com
I'm not a McCarty researcher, so my thoughts might be totally off base here, Also, some rambling here. I always like to try to ID where folks were living, or owned land. So, when I saw this note I decided to go to the Historic Westmoreland patent sheets by Eaton to see exactly where the McCarty family was showing up in Westmoreland (note: not all the old patents given but gives you a pretty good idea of people/location some times). Also, I am interested in the Thomas & Cox family appearing in document with a Daniel McCarty & Barbara. Reason is a William Rush (I) married Dorothy, relic of Christopher Thomas and the Grey/Rush family later owned land near the Westmoreland/Stafford/KG line and I'm wondering if this William Thomas and Robert Thomas (in the Daniel & Barbara McCarty document) are out of same line. I think William Thomas line included James & James (the young) Thomas who were surveyors, but need to check further.....Think maybe the "William James Thomas", surveyor showing up in Fauquier, was same man as James Thomas the younger. Been trying to track this Thomas family of late, but not a lot of success. My best guess: This Christopher Thomas appears to have been coming from York Co Va and may have migrated to Maryland and then crossed over to NN and may have had a son William. Anyone with info on this family, I would like to here from you. Here's what I found from the entries on Westmoreland patent sheets Patent sheet #5 Wm Lord to Daniel McCarty 496 acres Oct 1, 1728 (near Morris Store and Aug Washington’s Mill & Popes Creek) Patent sheet #7 William Bridges to D. McCarty 200a Dec 16 1690 near Br of Popes Creek Patent sheet #13 1050a Wm Gooch Patent Nov 18, 1650, assigned to Richard Cole he re-patented for 1350 acres August 20, 1661 escheated to Daniel McCarty & Daniel Tebbs, March 11, 1703. This land is not to far from Henry Corbin, Capt Peter Ashton and “William Thomas” patent of Sept 30, 1660 and fairly close to the Vincent Cox family (patent sheet # 14) First two patent sheets (5&7)show land in the immediate area of Popes Creek (and very close to each other), but I notices that one of the tracks was acquired by a Daniel McCarty after the 1724 death of Daniel McCarty, Speaker of the House of Burgesses ....So, is he a son ? as he is certainly in the the immediate area of Popes Creek ? ....Did he marry a Barbara (or vice versa) ? This last patent sheet (13) shows a Daniel McCarty and a Daniel Tebbs owning land near a "William Thomas" and I see a Robert Thomas as a witness and Sem Cox as a friend on the McCarty deed to Symon Tomasin. I think this Sem Cox can be connected to the Vincent Cox family located nearby....So is he same man purchasing land from William Lord on Popes Creek in 1728? This looks like the "Symon Thomasin" mentioned in the Daniel &Barbara McCarty deed...He may have come from Lancaster to KG ..... 1753-1773 King George Co., Va - Deed Book; pp. 712-714. Indenture made 7th August 1766 (sic) between ANTHONY STROTHER and FRANCES his wife of county King George of one part and WILLIAM NEWTON of same county .. Whereas SIMON TOMISON in his lifetime was possessed of a certain tract of land containing about 300 acres lying on head of *Muddy Creek in now county King George* .. by his last will and testament recorded in county court Stafford bequeathed same to his daughter MARGARET TOMISON at whose death the same descended to her daughter ELIZABETH KENYON Mother to aforesaid FRANCES STROTHER which said Elizabeth Kenyon the Mother dying without heir male of her body or making any will the tract of land descended in equal proportions to her six daughters & coheirs (to wit) SARAH. MAGARET. ELIZABETH. ANN, FRANCES and MILLION which said tract was by ABRAHAN KENYON husband of aforesaid Elizabeth the Mother by his will bequeathed to WILLIAN CARTER notwithstanding the same was vested in him for life by the Curtesy of England .. Whereas said coheirs and their husbands hath prosecuted an Ejectment in county court King George against William Carter for the tract of land & by a Judgment of the court hath repossessed themselves of said tract of land .. divided the same in six equal parts .. said Frances Kenyans proportion is 44 acres .. distinguished by the number 3 .. and said Frances hath since intermarried with Anthony Strother. Now this Indenture Witnesseth that Anthony Strother and Frances his wife for sum Seventeen pounds current money of Virginia .. sold said 44 acres of land to William Newton .. Presence Adam Steuart, Anthony Strother Dekar Thompson, Arthur Morson. Frances Strother John Newton At 8 court held 3rd October 1765 .. Deed acknowledged .. admitted to record.=== 1695-1701 Richmond Co VA Deed Book 3; Antient Press: (Page 28) BEE IT KNOWNE unto all men by these presents that I DANIELL McCARTY of Richmond County in the NORTHERNE NECK & Dominion of Virginia & BARBARY my Wife have for the valuable sum of Three thousand pounds of tobacco by me in hand already reced of SYMON TOMASIN {sic Thompson} of STAFFORD County in the same NORTHERNE NECK & Dominion aforesaid, have sold unto the said SYMON TOMAZIN all that tract of land by me the said DANIELL MaCARTY purchased of Capt. JOHN GLENDENNING & ANN his Wife by an Authentick Deed of Sale bearing date the 27th: of March 1697, unto the said SIMON THOMASIN his heires Ezecutrs: & Admstrs: together with the said Deed forever, To have hold occupie & quietly & peacably possess & enjoy the said tract of Land & Deed before menconed with warranty against the claime or claimes of me the said DANLL. MaCARTY or BARBARY my Wife or any manner of persons whatsoever by for or under us our heires from the day of the date of these presents forever. In Witness whereof wee have hereunto sett our hands & Settles the 15th: day of June Ano Dom 1698 Signed sealed & delivered in pr:sence of us PEIRCE NOWLAND his marke DANLL. MaCARTY his marke ROBT. THOMAS his marke BARBARY MaCARTY her marke Recognitr: in Cur: Com: Richmond 6d die Julii Ano: Dom: 1698 et record 20th die Test WM. COLSTON, CI Cur KNOW ALL MEN by these presents that I BARBARA MaCARTY doe hereby authorize & impower my trusty & well beloved friend, SEM COX, to be my lawful! Attorney to acknowledge in my name & stead a Deed of Sale & an Assignmt. thereof for One hundred & sixty acres of land, the Deed bearing date the 27th: day of March 1697, the Assignment the 15th: day of June 1698; unto SYMON TOMAZIN of STAFFORD County holding for time & valid wt: my said Attorney shall do in the pr:misses as if I were personally present as Witness my hand & seale this 8th: day of July 1698 Signed sealed & delivered in presence of us PEIRCE NOWLAND his marke BARBARA MaCARTY her marke ROBT. THOMAS his marke Record WM. COLSTON, Cle. -- Fred Duncan
Kathleen, while we are on this particular person.... And to clear up mistakes I have accumulated over the years from bad info..... I have this one as Capt. Daniel McCarty b. 1679 d. 4 May 1724 m. to Sarah Payne and Ann Fitzhugh........ My note on Sarah was ---- Found archived note saying wife was Elizabeth Pope-Payne. Children were Major Dennis McCarty (Sarah Ball), Daniel (Penelope Higgins), Billington, Thaddeus (Sarah Ellen Chinn), Ann Barbara, Winifred, Sarah, Lettice (George Turberville) So obviously this "Sarah Payne" is incorrect and it should be Elizabeth Pope..... But is Ann Lee Fitzhugh correct? Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kathleen Much Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 1:29 AM To: mike marshall Cc: Tom Hamm; Edward White; [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Daniel McCarty & wife Barbara Our Daniel was born 1679 and married Elizabeth (Pope) Payne in 1699. I doubt very much that he was married at age 18 to someone named Barbara/y who promptly died. Note too that the Daniel who sold the land in this record used a mark, therefore was probably illiterate. The Daniel (1679-1724) who became speaker of the House of Burgesses was well educated and signed with a handsome flourish. It seems likely that there was another Daniel in the Northern Neck, though I don't know who he was or whether the two were related. Daniel and Barbary disappeared after this land transaction. Unfortunately, the name Daniel McCarty was not particularly rare in 17th-century Virginia. Kathleen Much On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:16 PM, mike marshall <[email protected]>wrote: > Daniel McCarty was married to Elizabeth Pope (widow of William Payne) > and Anne Lee (widow of William Fitzhugh) > > this record shows an earlier wife. Anyone have a surname for her? > > This Simon Tomasin/Thompson was purchasing land owned earlier by Henry > Thompson d 1691. > > === > 1695-1701 Richmond Co VA Deed Book 3; Antient Press: (Page 28) BEE IT > KNOWNE unto all men by these presents that I DANIELL McCARTY of > Richmond County in the NORTHERNE NECK & Dominion of Virginia & BARBARY > my Wife have for the valuable sum of Three thousand pounds of tobacco > by me in hand already reced of SYMON TOMASIN {sic Thompson} of > STAFFORD County in the same NORTHERNE NECK & Dominion aforesaid, have > sold unto the said SYMON TOMAZIN all that tract of land by me the said > DANIELL MaCARTY purchased of Capt. JOHN GLENDENNING & ANN his Wife by > an Authentick Deed of Sale bearing date the 27th: of March 1697, unto > the said SIMON THOMASIN his heires > Ezecutrs: & Admstrs: together with the said Deed forever, To have hold > occupie & quietly & peacably possess & enjoy the said tract of Land & > Deed before menconed with warranty against the claime or claimes of me > the said DANLL. MaCARTY or BARBARY my Wife or any manner of persons > whatsoever by for or under us our heires from the day of the date of these presents forever. > In Witness whereof wee have hereunto sett our hands & Settles the > 15th: day of June Ano Dom 1698 Signed sealed & delivered in pr:sence > of us PEIRCE NOWLAND his marke DANLL. MaCARTY his marke ROBT. THOMAS > his marke BARBARY MaCARTY her marke > Recognitr: in Cur: Com: Richmond 6d die Julii Ano: Dom: 1698 et record > 20th die Test WM. COLSTON, CI Cur KNOW ALL MEN by these presents that > I BARBARA MaCARTY doe hereby authorize & impower my trusty & well > beloved friend, SEM COX, to be my lawful! > Attorney to acknowledge in my name & stead a Deed of Sale & an Assignmt. > thereof for One hundred & sixty acres of land, the Deed bearing date > the > 27th: day of March 1697, the Assignment the 15th: day of June 1698; > unto SYMON TOMAZIN of STAFFORD County holding for time & valid wt: my > said Attorney shall do in the pr:misses as if I were personally > present as Witness my hand & seale this 8th: day of July 1698 Signed > sealed & delivered in presence of us PEIRCE NOWLAND his marke BARBARA > MaCARTY her marke ROBT. THOMAS his marke Record WM. COLSTON, Cle. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello all, I have reinstated Mike Marshall, in hopes he has fixed his hijacked yahoo account. If problems continue, I will take him back off. Thank you to Kathleen Much for sending her reply about the mysterious, second, Daniel McCarty, to our list. Our newest member lives in Westmoreland County and is one of my favorite sources for research there. Your Trusty Friend, Craig Kilby
Ed and Mike, Kathleen Much was the co-author on the McCarty book. She probably knows what she is talking about here. Yes, both the NNVHS and the MBW have the book. I also a copy in my personal library that Bill gave me before he moved back to New York state (Troy, to be exact). Craig PS this email exchange also took place on the NN rootsweb list. Ed, I do wish you would join that. There are about 170 people on there, most of them at the intermediate and above level. It's a good group. That's how I met Mike in the first place. On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Edward White <[email protected]> wrote: > Mike - the only Daniel McC I know of is in Westmoreland. He was a mover > and shaker and left a will that went on forever (yes, he was a lawyer). > There is a recent book by William McCarty, DDS about his illustrious > family. Check with Craig Kilby, I am sure his library has it. > > Ed > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Kathleen Much <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Our Daniel was born 1679 and married Elizabeth (Pope) Payne in 1699. I >> doubt very much that he was married at age 18 to someone named Barbara/y who >> promptly died. Note too that the Daniel who sold the land in this record >> used a mark, therefore was probably illiterate. The Daniel (1679-1724) who >> became speaker of the House of Burgesses was well educated and signed with a >> handsome flourish. >> >> It seems likely that there was another Daniel in the Northern Neck, though >> I don't know who he was or whether the two were related. Daniel and Barbary >> disappeared after this land transaction. Unfortunately, the name Daniel >> McCarty was not particularly rare in 17th-century Virginia. >> >> Kathleen Much >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:16 PM, mike marshall <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Daniel McCarty was married to Elizabeth Pope (widow of William Payne) and >>> Anne Lee (widow of William Fitzhugh) >>> >>> this record shows an earlier wife. Anyone have a surname for her? >>> >>> This Simon Tomasin/Thompson was purchasing land owned earlier by Henry >>> Thompson d 1691. >>> >>> === >>> 1695-1701 Richmond Co VA Deed Book 3; Antient Press: (Page 28) >>> BEE IT KNOWNE unto all men by these presents that I DANIELL McCARTY of >>> Richmond County in the NORTHERNE NECK & Dominion of Virginia & BARBARY my >>> Wife have for the valuable sum of Three thousand pounds of tobacco by me in >>> hand already reced of SYMON TOMASIN {sic Thompson} of STAFFORD County in the >>> same NORTHERNE NECK & Dominion aforesaid, have sold unto the said SYMON >>> TOMAZIN all that tract of land by me the said DANIELL MaCARTY purchased of >>> Capt. JOHN GLENDENNING & ANN his Wife by an Authentick Deed of Sale bearing >>> date the 27th: of March 1697, unto the said SIMON THOMASIN his heires >>> Ezecutrs: & Admstrs: together with the said Deed forever, To have hold >>> occupie & quietly & peacably possess & enjoy the said tract of Land & Deed >>> before menconed with warranty against the claime or claimes of me the said >>> DANLL. MaCARTY or BARBARY my Wife or any manner of persons whatsoever by for >>> or under us our heires from the day of the date of these presents forever. >>> In Witness whereof wee have hereunto sett our hands & Settles the 15th: day >>> of June Ano Dom 1698 Signed sealed & delivered in pr:sence of us >>> PEIRCE NOWLAND his marke DANLL. MaCARTY his marke >>> ROBT. THOMAS his marke BARBARY MaCARTY her marke >>> Recognitr: in Cur: Com: Richmond 6d die Julii Ano: Dom: 1698 et record >>> 20th die >>> Test WM. COLSTON, CI Cur >>> KNOW ALL MEN by these presents that I BARBARA MaCARTY doe hereby >>> authorize & impower my trusty & well beloved friend, SEM COX, to be my >>> lawful! Attorney to acknowledge in my name & stead a Deed of Sale & an >>> Assignmt. thereof for One hundred & sixty acres of land, the Deed bearing >>> date the 27th: day of March 1697, the Assignment the 15th: day of June 1698; >>> unto SYMON TOMAZIN of STAFFORD County holding for time & valid wt: my said >>> Attorney shall do in the pr:misses as if I were personally present as >>> Witness my hand & seale this 8th: day of July 1698 >>> Signed sealed & delivered in presence of us >>> PEIRCE NOWLAND his marke BARBARA MaCARTY her marke >>> ROBT. THOMAS his marke >>> Record WM. COLSTON, Cle. >>> >> >> >
Our Daniel was born 1679 and married Elizabeth (Pope) Payne in 1699. I doubt very much that he was married at age 18 to someone named Barbara/y who promptly died. Note too that the Daniel who sold the land in this record used a mark, therefore was probably illiterate. The Daniel (1679-1724) who became speaker of the House of Burgesses was well educated and signed with a handsome flourish. It seems likely that there was another Daniel in the Northern Neck, though I don't know who he was or whether the two were related. Daniel and Barbary disappeared after this land transaction. Unfortunately, the name Daniel McCarty was not particularly rare in 17th-century Virginia. Kathleen Much On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:16 PM, mike marshall <[email protected]>wrote: > Daniel McCarty was married to Elizabeth Pope (widow of William Payne) and > Anne Lee (widow of William Fitzhugh) > > this record shows an earlier wife. Anyone have a surname for her? > > This Simon Tomasin/Thompson was purchasing land owned earlier by Henry > Thompson d 1691. > > === > 1695-1701 Richmond Co VA Deed Book 3; Antient Press: (Page 28) > BEE IT KNOWNE unto all men by these presents that I DANIELL McCARTY of > Richmond County in the NORTHERNE NECK & Dominion of Virginia & BARBARY my > Wife have for the valuable sum of Three thousand pounds of tobacco by me in > hand already reced of SYMON TOMASIN {sic Thompson} of STAFFORD County in the > same NORTHERNE NECK & Dominion aforesaid, have sold unto the said SYMON > TOMAZIN all that tract of land by me the said DANIELL MaCARTY purchased of > Capt. JOHN GLENDENNING & ANN his Wife by an Authentick Deed of Sale bearing > date the 27th: of March 1697, unto the said SIMON THOMASIN his heires > Ezecutrs: & Admstrs: together with the said Deed forever, To have hold > occupie & quietly & peacably possess & enjoy the said tract of Land & Deed > before menconed with warranty against the claime or claimes of me the said > DANLL. MaCARTY or BARBARY my Wife or any manner of persons whatsoever by for > or under us our heires from the day of the date of these presents forever. > In Witness whereof wee have hereunto sett our hands & Settles the 15th: day > of June Ano Dom 1698 Signed sealed & delivered in pr:sence of us > PEIRCE NOWLAND his marke DANLL. MaCARTY his marke > ROBT. THOMAS his marke BARBARY MaCARTY her marke > Recognitr: in Cur: Com: Richmond 6d die Julii Ano: Dom: 1698 et record 20th > die > Test WM. COLSTON, CI Cur > KNOW ALL MEN by these presents that I BARBARA MaCARTY doe hereby authorize > & impower my trusty & well beloved friend, SEM COX, to be my lawful! > Attorney to acknowledge in my name & stead a Deed of Sale & an Assignmt. > thereof for One hundred & sixty acres of land, the Deed bearing date the > 27th: day of March 1697, the Assignment the 15th: day of June 1698; unto > SYMON TOMAZIN of STAFFORD County holding for time & valid wt: my said > Attorney shall do in the pr:misses as if I were personally present as > Witness my hand & seale this 8th: day of July 1698 > Signed sealed & delivered in presence of us > PEIRCE NOWLAND his marke BARBARA MaCARTY her marke > ROBT. THOMAS his marke > Record WM. COLSTON, Cle. >
Daniel McCarty was married to Elizabeth Pope (widow of William Payne) and Anne Lee (widow of William Fitzhugh) this record shows an earlier wife. Anyone have a surname for her? This Simon Tomasin/Thompson was purchasing land owned earlier by Henry Thompson d 1691. === 1695-1701 Richmond Co VA Deed Book 3; Antient Press: (Page 28) BEE IT KNOWNE unto all men by these presents that I DANIELL McCARTY of Richmond County in the NORTHERNE NECK & Dominion of Virginia & BARBARY my Wife have for the valuable sum of Three thousand pounds of tobacco by me in hand already reced of SYMON TOMASIN {sic Thompson} of STAFFORD County in the same NORTHERNE NECK & Dominion aforesaid, have sold unto the said SYMON TOMAZIN all that tract of land by me the said DANIELL MaCARTY purchased of Capt. JOHN GLENDENNING & ANN his Wife by an Authentick Deed of Sale bearing date the 27th: of March 1697, unto the said SIMON THOMASIN his heires Ezecutrs: & Admstrs: together with the said Deed forever, To have hold occupie & quietly & peacably possess & enjoy the said tract of Land & Deed before menconed with warranty against the claime or claimes of me the said DANLL. MaCARTY or BARBARY my Wife or any manner of persons whatsoever by for or under us our heires from the day of the date of these presents forever. In Witness whereof wee have hereunto sett our hands & Settles the 15th: day of June Ano Dom 1698 Signed sealed & delivered in pr:sence of us PEIRCE NOWLAND his marke DANLL. MaCARTY his marke ROBT. THOMAS his marke BARBARY MaCARTY her marke Recognitr: in Cur: Com: Richmond 6d die Julii Ano: Dom: 1698 et record 20th die Test WM. COLSTON, CI Cur KNOW ALL MEN by these presents that I BARBARA MaCARTY doe hereby authorize & impower my trusty & well beloved friend, SEM COX, to be my lawful! Attorney to acknowledge in my name & stead a Deed of Sale & an Assignmt. thereof for One hundred & sixty acres of land, the Deed bearing date the 27th: day of March 1697, the Assignment the 15th: day of June 1698; unto SYMON TOMAZIN of STAFFORD County holding for time & valid wt: my said Attorney shall do in the pr:misses as if I were personally present as Witness my hand & seale this 8th: day of July 1698 Signed sealed & delivered in presence of us PEIRCE NOWLAND his marke BARBARA MaCARTY her marke ROBT. THOMAS his marke Record WM. COLSTON, Cle.
Chocy, Hmm. This is a mailing list site like rootsweb. I don't know about a web site. I think there is one where Larry puts images of documents and things. Does the site say how to subscribe to the mailing list? Craig I think the "serendipity" part of genealogy will be most interesting. On 7/30/2011 11:25 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Craig, > I have had a number of experiences mostly in the form of dreams; however, a number of > years ago I read and heard different things concerning finding lost graves within a large cemetery, > documents in public buildings and so forth. > ? > I purchased the book a number of years ago, when my own dreams revealed things > that I did not know the meaning or if there was a meaning when later, there it was just > like in the dream. > ? > I did, at the time, write the dreams down as they were quite amazing dreams; however, > I have not had any of those in a long time. (Guess, I don't need them right now, ha-ha) > ? > I did check out the mailing list aka site. > I prefer the mailing list format, as we have here on Rootsweb, which is easier to manage > when you are busy.? > ? > I keep thinking about it, maybe this winter. > Chocy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Kilby<[email protected]> > To: va-northern-neck<[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jul 30, 2011 7:01 pm > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Theorygen on Yahoo: List purpose description and limitations. > > > > > Chocy, > > This would be a great topic for that list. Definitely not over the top > and I think it would bring out quite a bit of discussion and > experiences. I hope you'll join that list and bring it up. Keep in > mind, nothing is off topic for that list if it relates to genealogy and > research. I for one would love to read what people have to say on this > topic. You can bring it up here on the NN list too, if you'd like. > > Craig > > On 7/30/2011 9:01 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Craig, > > Has there been any discussion or reports of "guides" through dreams or > otherwise > > that have led to research finds? > > Or this too over the top for the group? > > Chocy > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
Craig, I have had a number of experiences mostly in the form of dreams; however, a number of years ago I read and heard different things concerning finding lost graves within a large cemetery, documents in public buildings and so forth. ? I purchased the book a number of years ago, when my own dreams revealed things that I did not know the meaning or if there was a meaning when later, there it was just like in the dream. ? I did, at the time, write the dreams down as they were quite amazing dreams; however, I have not had any of those in a long time. (Guess, I don't need them right now, ha-ha) ? I did check out the mailing list aka site. I prefer the mailing list format, as we have here on Rootsweb, which is easier to manage when you are busy.? ? I keep thinking about it, maybe this winter. Chocy -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> To: va-northern-neck <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jul 30, 2011 7:01 pm Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Theorygen on Yahoo: List purpose description and limitations. Chocy, This would be a great topic for that list. Definitely not over the top and I think it would bring out quite a bit of discussion and experiences. I hope you'll join that list and bring it up. Keep in mind, nothing is off topic for that list if it relates to genealogy and research. I for one would love to read what people have to say on this topic. You can bring it up here on the NN list too, if you'd like. Craig On 7/30/2011 9:01 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Craig, > Has there been any discussion or reports of "guides" through dreams or otherwise > that have led to research finds? > Or this too over the top for the group? > Chocy > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Chocy, This would be a great topic for that list. Definitely not over the top and I think it would bring out quite a bit of discussion and experiences. I hope you'll join that list and bring it up. Keep in mind, nothing is off topic for that list if it relates to genealogy and research. I for one would love to read what people have to say on this topic. You can bring it up here on the NN list too, if you'd like. Craig On 7/30/2011 9:01 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Craig, > Has there been any discussion or reports of "guides" through dreams or otherwise > that have led to research finds? > Or this too over the top for the group? > Chocy >
Craig, Has there been any discussion or reports of "guides" through dreams or otherwise that have led to research finds? Or this too over the top for the group? Chocy -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> To: va-northern-neck <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jul 30, 2011 5:04 pm Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Theorygen on Yahoo: List purpose description and limitations. On 7/30/2011 3:26 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Craig, > This "Theorygen Mail List" could be very interesting. > The Theorygen list isn't everybody's cup of tea, but I highly recommend it for those who want toss out problems, ideas, research techniques, or case studies. There are some extremely knowledgable people on there with vastly different areas of expertise. It is managed (and created by) Larry Boswell of Toronto, Canada. It is relatively new and was created primarily as a more open-minded, free-thought list serve than the APG (Association of Professional Genealogists) list, which is moderated to the point that just saying "good morning" might land you in the "banned" column. There is no thought control on the theorygen list, and it would take quite a hugely insulting, way off base, out of the ballpark post to get you tossed off. I hope to see some of you there soon. Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On 7/30/2011 3:26 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Craig, > This "Theorygen Mail List" could be very interesting. > The Theorygen list isn't everybody's cup of tea, but I highly recommend it for those who want toss out problems, ideas, research techniques, or case studies. There are some extremely knowledgable people on there with vastly different areas of expertise. It is managed (and created by) Larry Boswell of Toronto, Canada. It is relatively new and was created primarily as a more open-minded, free-thought list serve than the APG (Association of Professional Genealogists) list, which is moderated to the point that just saying "good morning" might land you in the "banned" column. There is no thought control on the theorygen list, and it would take quite a hugely insulting, way off base, out of the ballpark post to get you tossed off. I hope to see some of you there soon. Craig
A chancery suit helped me narrow down a time frame of death of one of Elizabeth Chinn Wilson's son because he was not named. Rawleigh Chinn gave 65 acres to her.... she died in 1834. She wrote a letter in 1832 to what could have only been her eldest son William by the tone of the letter and people mentioned and her mentioning his pending trip to New Orleans and her concern over that trip because of the dangers of them exploding.... she had not heard from him..... Ruth Dillon of the Chinn Book wrote he died in Kentucky in 1829... so the letter by the mother in 1832 to him and him not being mentioned in the division of the 65 acres given to her and all the other children were mentioned puts his death between 1832 and 1834 but where?????? I would love to delve into land records more. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Theorygen on Yahoo: List purpose description andlimitations. Craig, This "Theorygen Mail List" could be very interesting. ? Good job in pointing out the belief that you can "not"?research effectively without researching land records. ? As we all know, many times, there is much more information in the deeds than in the wills or court records. When the "whole" family starts to fight over the estate, the deed books are where the results of?who is who, and how and why, they have or had, said property along with the?list of previous owners usually providing dates of the change in ownership. ? Also agreements?between family members as to their consent to distribution of their portions and even someones list of household, business and personal property put up for collateral for debts owed along and much more. ? Thanks for sharing, Chocy -----Original Message----- From: chocybrown <[email protected]> To: Chocybrown <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jul 30, 2011 12:08 pm A forum to discuss anything related to genealogy, including but not limited to, considerations of research methodology. No subject restrictions in place. Discussion can include, but is not limited to "professionalism." There's only one rule: no spam. No one will be censored or removed from the list for expressing an opinion. There are waivers in place when anyone joins a Yahoo group, but just to clarify things: each member is solely responsible for the content of any posts, emails, messages, or comments that they send, or have sent on their behalf, to the TheoryGen list. They are also solely responsible for any attachments that they post directly to the list itself or to the TheoryGen website. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> To: Northern Neck List <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:41 am Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Using Deeds in research Hello all, I wrote this to the theorygen list on yahoo, which is a group of professional researchers across the US and in Canada. It is open to anyone, but much of it is of technical nature and case studies, not general genealogy on surnames and families. Recently, one person shared a " report" done for her by a firm in Salt Lake City that was extremely careless and uninformative. Part of that report stated that deeds were not consulted as they "rarely include any genealogical information." Needless to say, I was ahast! The rest of this message is a copy of what I sent to the theorygen list. Since it includes records in Essex and Middlesex County, I thought they would be appropriate to post here as well. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Craig, This "Theorygen Mail List" could be very interesting. ? Good job in pointing out the belief that you can "not"?research effectively without researching land records. ? As we all know, many times, there is much more information in the deeds than in the wills or court records. When the "whole" family starts to fight over the estate, the deed books are where the results of?who is who, and how and why, they have or had, said property along with the?list of previous owners usually providing dates of the change in ownership. ? Also agreements?between family members as to their consent to distribution of their portions and even someones list of household, business and personal property put up for collateral for debts owed along and much more. ? Thanks for sharing, Chocy -----Original Message----- From: chocybrown <[email protected]> To: Chocybrown <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jul 30, 2011 12:08 pm A forum to discuss anything related to genealogy, including but not limited to, considerations of research methodology. No subject restrictions in place. Discussion can include, but is not limited to "professionalism." There's only one rule: no spam. No one will be censored or removed from the list for expressing an opinion. There are waivers in place when anyone joins a Yahoo group, but just to clarify things: each member is solely responsible for the content of any posts, emails, messages, or comments that they send, or have sent on their behalf, to the TheoryGen list. They are also solely responsible for any attachments that they post directly to the list itself or to the TheoryGen website. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> To: Northern Neck List <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:41 am Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Using Deeds in research Hello all, I wrote this to the theorygen list on yahoo, which is a group of professional researchers across the US and in Canada. It is open to anyone, but much of it is of technical nature and case studies, not general genealogy on surnames and families. Recently, one person shared a " report" done for her by a firm in Salt Lake City that was extremely careless and uninformative. Part of that report stated that deeds were not consulted as they "rarely include any genealogical information." Needless to say, I was ahast! The rest of this message is a copy of what I sent to the theorygen list. Since it includes records in Essex and Middlesex County, I thought they would be appropriate to post here as well.
Hello all, I wrote this to the theorygen list on yahoo, which is a group of professional researchers across the US and in Canada. It is open to anyone, but much of it is of technical nature and case studies, not general genealogy on surnames and families. Recently, one person shared a " report" done for her by a firm in Salt Lake City that was extremely careless and uninformative. Part of that report stated that deeds were not consulted as they "rarely include any genealogical information." Needless to say, I was ahast! The rest of this message is a copy of what I sent to the theorygen list. Since it includes records in Essex and Middlesex County, I thought they would be appropriate to post here as well. ______ Hello all, Back to the "report" that we are talking about, and the statement within it that "deeds rarely provide genealogical information" at which I was shocked, I thought I'd provide two completely random samples found within the course of one afternoon at a local court house (Essex County, VA). I was there this past Thursday with a long-term out of town client who happened to be in town on business. When these two documents came up, I had an extra copy made to share with this list. 1. 31 March 1757. Deed Book 28, p 16. Bond. William Kidd of Essex County to Theophilus Faver of the same. "Whereas Mary now wife of the above bounden William Kidd hath Equal Right with her sister Sarah Charles to the half of that land and plantation that John Cooke (Great Grandfather to the said Mary Kidd & Sarah Charles) Lived on which said Land being measured & found to contain eighty acres..." The purpose of the bond is explained because Mary, "now wife" of William Kidd, was not of lawful at this time, but that they had agreed to convey their one-half interest in the property to Theophilus Faver. The bond was the sum of the purchase price, and was to ensure that General Warranty Deed would be executed when Mary Kidd became of lawful age. >From this learn that the "now wife" Mary implies (but does not prove) she was his second wife. We learn that Mary is under age 21, and her sister is Sarah Charles. We don't know if "Charles" is the maiden name or not. We do learn that their great-grandfather was John Cooke. Plenty of good clues to work from on this one. 2. 15 December 1794. Deed Book 34, p. 91-93. Deed. Grantors: John Kidd & Lucy his wife, William Kidd, John Brown and Mary his wife of the county of King & Queen , Benjamin Kidd and Sarah his wife of Caroline County Grantee: Thomas Roane of Essex County This deed conveys 275 acres of land (in two tracts) on Piscataway Creek in South Farnham Parish, Essex County "being those tracts whereon Henry Kidd lately lived and of which he died seized" and to which the grantors are entitled under the last will and testament of the said Henry Kidd." Witnessed by William Wood, John Allen, Philemon Purkins, James Allen. Besides their signatures (all signed with signature) is a wonderful but curious little post script: "P.S. two graveyards Excepted with half an acre of land around the one where the white People are buried and the Privilege of carrying any corps to the same." No further description of the 2nd graveyard but one can infer it was for the black people. It has been several years since I've worked on the Kidd records in Essex County, and my mac whereon all the research is stored is currently at the repair shop. I frankly do not remember if the will of Henry Kidd had previously been found that would have named his children. For purposes of this exercise, let's pretend that Henry Kidd died intestate and that the probate records were few. This deed would have identified his four children, and three of their spouses, and that all of them had moved to adjacent counties and were no longer living in Essex County. In this case, both King & Queen and Caroline counties are "lost record counties." Likewise, marriage bonds for Essex County for this period are not extant. This deed would provide valuable clues for other replacement records to be examined in the case of the spouses. I will here add yet a third example we found the following day in Middlesex County. It was in 1806. This was found in the deed books. It was a deed of trust from one Benjamin Kidd, Jr. & Frances C. Kidd his wife to one Mr. George (probably her brother) of Lancaster County for land, a number of slaves and itemized personal property items. It was due to the "recent unhappiness" of the parties with one another and was basically the equivalent of a divorce settlement. Divorce during this period required an act of Assembly and was thus practically impossible, so this was the next best thing. When this couple married in Lancaster County, Frances C. Tapscott was a WIDOW. We believe from this record she may have been nee George. Naturally, marriage bonds of Lancaster County will be examined for a marriage of a Tapscott to a Frances C. [surname, hopefully George]. Later, in another deed, Benjamin Kidd and wife Frances C Kidd conveyed land he had inherited from his father James Kidd in Middlesex County. We had the will of James Kidd where he had named his son Benjamin but had not heretofore connected as the same Benjamin Kidd who had married the widow Tapscott in Lancaster County (The two counties rare separated by the Rappahannock River.) In conclusion, here are three examples of why deeds are so very important to examine. They do not always include such useful genealogical information, but there is no way of knowing unless they are examined. Even if they do not give direct evidence of relationships, they will almost always give you indirect evidence in one way or another. Deed work should NEVER be excluded from any meaningful research plan. Craig Kilby
In a message dated 7/26/2011 7:40:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: DO alert the "sender" (but not by "reply", but your own message) and, if a list like this, me. Stay safe, Craig ****************************************************************** It has been suggested that you add the fictitious name and E Mail of Aaaaa Aaaaa with an E Mail Addy of [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) or any combination of A's. When the hackers attempt to send to everyone in your address book, it will stop because there is no such person and it would be the first one sent because of the A's. My address book was hacked and stolen last year. In order to change my address the computer asks a control question such as my mother's maiden name. That's pretty easy to find, considering I post on genealogy boards. What's the name of your first pet? The hackers have software with pet names that runs through until they find it. Pick something they can't guess or use your Pet's name and your address together or the year you got them, etc. Change that password now. Charlene Ebeling
All, A few things here, actually. Due to the generosity of Mr. Page Henley of Weems, the MBW library is now carrying the full ancestry.com package, which is international. Carolyn Jett (and he) have been having a field day with it and been able to find several people's NN ancestry in England. I have not worked with it yet. Also, by the same token, Steve Walker, President of the NN Historical Society, has purchased a year's subscribtion to the full edition of ancestry.com for use at the research library in Montross (Westmoreland County). Also there, the full set of every book the Sparacios ever published for the counties of Northumberland, Lancaster, Richmond, Westmoreland, King George and Stafford Counties (their service are) have been recently purchased and I am in the process of cataloging them on the NNVHS librarything.com site of ours. These, and many more counties, are already housed at the Mary Ball Washington Museum & Library. I've been a busy boy getting the Montross HQ (NNVHS) up to speed. This is important considering the two facilities are about an hour apart. I last wrote about the newest Restaurant and B&B in Montross, the Inn at Montross. I would to also let you know of a somewhat similar establishment in Lancaster, called the Lancaster Tavern. Built in 1790, t is adjacent to the Mary Ball library. In addition to its full service restaurant, it has two guest suites upstairs, and a guest cottage next door with two bedrooms kitchen and living room. The proprietor is Brenda Jackson. You can visit them at: http://www.lancastertavern.com/ [Above link is safe to click] Hoping to see ya'll soon! Craig Kilby
Janean, This is almost funny, unless yours it the address that has been hacked. Camille Wells advises me that I cannot repeat this often enough, so I'll say it again: Do NOT open links even to rootsweb if (1) there is no subject heading and/or (2) no message OTHER THAN a link. Just trash it. If there is not subject and no message other than a link, you can be sure it is (a) not worth reading anyway and (b) a con or spam. EVEN IT COMES FROM SOME ADDRESS YOUR RECOGNIZE. DO alert the "sender" (but not by "reply", but your own message) and, if a list like this, me. Stay safe, Craig On 7/26/2011 12:07 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > My Mayflower list just got one sent by someone and a reader said...... > "Looks like some addresses have been compromised!! Either that, or we're > selling Viagra as a sideline." > > So I advised him that he too may be hacked now that he knows it was a viagra > add. I wrote privately to the lady to tell her she has been hacked...... > She said she knew....... And could I advise the Mayflower list.... As she > has been locked out for 24 hrs. > > Let's pass the word along for everyone to stop clicking on these links. > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:23 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Is There Hacking Going On The List > > I am on several Va and a couple of MD mailing lists at Rootsweb. There have > been several postings from Mike Marshall with only links and the links are > different. Has he been hacked and been hit with spam. ?? I wouldn't advise > anyone to click on those links as spam might hit you. There is no messages > in the postings but links that are suspicious. > > Marianne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
My Mayflower list just got one sent by someone and a reader said...... "Looks like some addresses have been compromised!! Either that, or we're selling Viagra as a sideline." So I advised him that he too may be hacked now that he knows it was a viagra add. I wrote privately to the lady to tell her she has been hacked...... She said she knew....... And could I advise the Mayflower list.... As she has been locked out for 24 hrs. Let's pass the word along for everyone to stop clicking on these links. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Is There Hacking Going On The List I am on several Va and a couple of MD mailing lists at Rootsweb. There have been several postings from Mike Marshall with only links and the links are different. Has he been hacked and been hit with spam. ?? I wouldn't advise anyone to click on those links as spam might hit you. There is no messages in the postings but links that are suspicious. Marianne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message