You will also find the use of Stretchley name in the Ball family. Guess he was a popular guy, at least within those two families. But as I wrote earlier, John Stretchley had no children. Craig On Aug 27, 2011, at 5:04 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > Elizabeth Chinn d/o Rawleigh and Fanny Tarpley Chinn named one of there > sons...... John Stretchley Wilson...... his father was also John so not sure > if the middle name was after John Stretchley or what. They tended to follow > a very distinct naming pattern.... if so.. this particular child should have > been named after his father. John Wilson but there's also a Rawleigh > Stretchley Chinn another grandson of Rawleigh and Fanny Tarpley Chinn. Very > popular name. > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:29 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] early NN tombstones__John STRETCHLEY > > Charlene, > > Though John Stretchley had no children of his own, he must have been very > well regarded. As you note, the name is used in the Ball family and also, I > believe, the Chinn family, and perhaps others. > > We'll have to stay tuned for Page Henley's article on him in the next issue > of the Northern Neck of Virginia Historical Society Magazine. It promises to > be most excellent. Page's grandmother was Elizabeth Combs Pierce, a founding > member of both the MBW and the NNVHS. He has held life-time membership since > being a young boy in 1951. He will be serving as the next President of the > NNVHS. Annual meeting is in October. I'll send more on that later. > > Craig > > On Aug 26, 2011, at 8:42 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> My many-grt uncle was Stretchley BALL. My ancestors were Capt. Samuel BALL > >> and Anne Catherine TAYLOE, dau of William TAYLOE and Ann CORBIN > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Elizabeth Chinn d/o Rawleigh and Fanny Tarpley Chinn named one of there sons...... John Stretchley Wilson...... his father was also John so not sure if the middle name was after John Stretchley or what. They tended to follow a very distinct naming pattern.... if so.. this particular child should have been named after his father. John Wilson but there's also a Rawleigh Stretchley Chinn another grandson of Rawleigh and Fanny Tarpley Chinn. Very popular name. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] early NN tombstones__John STRETCHLEY Charlene, Though John Stretchley had no children of his own, he must have been very well regarded. As you note, the name is used in the Ball family and also, I believe, the Chinn family, and perhaps others. We'll have to stay tuned for Page Henley's article on him in the next issue of the Northern Neck of Virginia Historical Society Magazine. It promises to be most excellent. Page's grandmother was Elizabeth Combs Pierce, a founding member of both the MBW and the NNVHS. He has held life-time membership since being a young boy in 1951. He will be serving as the next President of the NNVHS. Annual meeting is in October. I'll send more on that later. Craig On Aug 26, 2011, at 8:42 PM, [email protected] wrote: > My many-grt uncle was Stretchley BALL. My ancestors were Capt. Samuel BALL > and Anne Catherine TAYLOE, dau of William TAYLOE and Ann CORBIN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hold on tight...... I have friends at Ft. Lee and we're getting updates from them too. Everyone is concerned and thoughts are with you all over there. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:45 PM To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] IRENE update Hello all. Here is an update on the hurricane in the Northern Neck as of 4:40 p.m. Much wind and rain. "Falling Oaks" where I live is living up to its name, as a huge trunk of one of the last three might oaks came crashing down. Thankfully, it did not hit the house or the TV satellite. Much of the area is without power, though miraculously still on here. The Norris Bridge has been closed and many of the roads in an around Kilmarnock, White Stone and Irvington (all without power) have been closed. Lancaster County Emergency Services has been sending out frequent robo calls to the residents. Last night they wanted Morattico, Windmill Point and other low lying areas evacuated. The worst of this storm has yet to hit the Northern Neck, particularly Lancaster and Northumberland. That won't hit for another few hours as they slowly progresses. We are told to expect 60 mph sustained winds (!). Of course there are many leaks to be attended to. We have over 12" rain so far, despite what the weather people say. But, this too shall pass. Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all. Here is an update on the hurricane in the Northern Neck as of 4:40 p.m. Much wind and rain. "Falling Oaks" where I live is living up to its name, as a huge trunk of one of the last three might oaks came crashing down. Thankfully, it did not hit the house or the TV satellite. Much of the area is without power, though miraculously still on here. The Norris Bridge has been closed and many of the roads in an around Kilmarnock, White Stone and Irvington (all without power) have been closed. Lancaster County Emergency Services has been sending out frequent robo calls to the residents. Last night they wanted Morattico, Windmill Point and other low lying areas evacuated. The worst of this storm has yet to hit the Northern Neck, particularly Lancaster and Northumberland. That won't hit for another few hours as they slowly progresses. We are told to expect 60 mph sustained winds (!). Of course there are many leaks to be attended to. We have over 12" rain so far, despite what the weather people say. But, this too shall pass. Craig

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 Fred Duncan wrote: > > I noticed in 1699 Thomas Dew is involved in the William Barber estate > settlement concerning Thomas Dew children. Elizabeth is not mentioned, > making me think Elizabeth has died by 1699. So, maybe Thomas Dew married > Jane/Jean McCarty/Baker after this date. Still thinking this John Baker > near > Nomini Creek, is our man, as he's the only one in area where McCarty family > showing up nearby in time frame, least to my knowledge. > > Now to the Barbers > > April 13,1724, Robert Carter writes a letter to a Richmond Co Surveyor > "Thomas Barber". I think this letter will be of interest to anyone with > Germanna or PrW ancestors. > > http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/users/berkeley/html/C24d13a.mod.html > > William Barber, father to Thomas Dew's wife, Elizabeth is said to have had > sons William, Charles & "Thomas". > > Question: Is his son Thomas Barber a Surveyor, and one named in Carter > Letter ? > > Of course Carter family - Robert Carter II, built Nomini Hall (very near > John Baker). > > Next question: Is Captain Thomas Barber with property on Pignut Ridge, PrW > (beside a William Bailey, maybe w/WCO connections) the same man? > > William Russell, also mentioned in Carter letter, patented land in 1725 on > Pignut Ridge, PrW. William Russell's daughter is said to have married John > Holtzclaw, who has a daughter Elizabeth who marries my Y-Dna cousin's > ancestor, John Duncan. > > Another person with property on Pignut Ridge is Peter Cornwell, believe to > be the grandson of Peter Duncan of Nomini Creek, father to John Duncan with > property beside John Baker. > > So, does anyone know if Captain Thomas Barber of Pignut Ridge,PrW is same > man as the 1724 surveyor of Richmond Co, Va., and is he son of WIlliam > Barber? > Jane Billington married 1) Robert Bayliss est. 1683 (son William Bayliss born Sep 1684); he died before 1693. Jane m. 2) John Baker by 1694 (mentioned in Dennis McCarty's will proved 1694); he died between 1700 and 1702. This John Baker was an active attorney, and he is named in numerous suits in Westmoreland County, Old Rappahannock County, Essex County, and Richmond County. Jane and John Baker had two children, Elizabeth born 8 October 1696 and William born 6 January 1698. The inventories of John Baker disclose that he had holdings worth 32,404 # tobacco in Richmond County (RCo Wills and Inventories 1699-1709:48-50, 15 Apr 1702). His executrix was his wife Jane (RCo OB 2: 311). Jane m. 3) Thomas Dew between 1702 (when she proved Baker's will as Jane Baker) and 1708 (Thomas's will). I think Fred is right that Elizabeth (Barber) Dew had died by 1699, leaving 4 children, but I have no documentary evidence for her death. Jane and Thomas had no children. William and Mary (--) Barber had 5 children, who appear in _The Registers of North Farnham Parish 1663-1814 and Lunenburg Parish 1783-1800, Richmond County, VA_, compiled and published by George Harrison Sanford King (Fredericksburg, VA, 1966), p. 9: "B. BARBER, ELIZABETH daughter of William and Mary Barber, 11 January 1665 (sic). [This should probably be 1675; see the following entries.]" "B. BARBER, CHARLES son of William and Mary Barber, 19 June 1676. "B. BARBER, THOMAS son of William and Mary Barber, 19 January 1678. "B. BARBER, WILLIAM son of William and Mary Barber, 7 August 1679. "B. BARBER, LUCY daughter of William and Mary Barber, 16 January 1681." Thomas b. 1678 in Richmond Co is probably the Thomas Barber you're looking for, but there were several in Virginia. _English Duplicates of Lost Virginia Records_, compiled by Louis des Cognets Jr. (Princeton, NJ, 1958) from material found in the Public Record Office, London, p. 6: "List of Sheriffs Appointed 28th April 1714 . . . New Kent, Thomas Barber Jr. . . . List of Sheriffs Appointed 25th April 1715 . . . New Kent, Tho: Barbar Jr." P. 9: "List of County Officers 9th June 1699. York. Thomas Barber." P. 19: "A List of the quantity of Land, Number of Tithables, and Civill Officers in the Dominion of Virginia this 8th Day of July 1702. . . . Yorke. 61,196 acres of land. 1,180 Tithables. Burgesses: Tho: Barbar, Tho: Ballard. . . . Justices - Tho: Barbar". P. 56: "Her Majesties Royall Colledge of William & Mary in Virginia. July 8th 1702. . . . Govern's elected by virtue of the Charter Dan'l Parke, Phill: Ludwell Sr, Lewis Burwell, Phill: Ludwell Jr., Wm. Fitzhugh, Wm. Leigh, Benj: Harrison, Wm. Basset, Arth: Allen, Tho: Barbar." P. 99: "[A List of Patents granted for Land in this Colony by The Honorable Alexander Spotswood, His Majesty's Lieuten't Governor & Commander in Chief of this Dominion] 363 acres, New Kent Co., granted to Tho. Barbar 6-16-1714." P. 164: "New Kent County Rent Roll. A Rent Roll of the Lands held of her Maj'tie in the Parish of St. Peters and St. Paull Anno 1704. . . . Barbar, Tho:, 500 acres". P. 179: "A Rent Roll of all the Land in York County in 1704. . . . Tho. Barber, 600 acres". William Russell of Pignut Ridge, Prince Wm Co, might be a relative of Dr John Russell who m. Elitia Billington, Jane (Billington) Bayliss Baker Dew's sister. John and Elitia had a son John, at least; I don't know of any other children or grandchildren. Here's all I have on John Russell Jr: Old Rappahannock Co Order Book 2: 93, says John Russell, orphan, agreed to serve John Deane five years to learn the cooper's trade but was not adequately taught; on 5 Dec 1689, young Russell sued his master. Warner, _History of Old Rappahannock County_, says, "He was the son of John Russell, deceased, and Alice Bullington [sic] his wife. His father patented 1100 acres of land in 1673, and his grandfather was an even larger planter. This boy was raised on his father's large farm called 'Irland'." The father, Dr John Russell, died before 17 May 1675. Kathleen Much

Charlene, Though John Stretchley had no children of his own, he must have been very well regarded. As you note, the name is used in the Ball family and also, I believe, the Chinn family, and perhaps others. We'll have to stay tuned for Page Henley's article on him in the next issue of the Northern Neck of Virginia Historical Society Magazine. It promises to be most excellent. Page's grandmother was Elizabeth Combs Pierce, a founding member of both the MBW and the NNVHS. He has held life-time membership since being a young boy in 1951. He will be serving as the next President of the NNVHS. Annual meeting is in October. I'll send more on that later. Craig On Aug 26, 2011, at 8:42 PM, [email protected] wrote: > My many-grt uncle was Stretchley BALL. My ancestors were Capt. Samuel BALL > and Anne Catherine TAYLOE, dau of William TAYLOE and Ann CORBIN

My many-grt uncle was Stretchley BALL. My ancestors were Capt. Samuel BALL and Anne Catherine TAYLOE, dau of William TAYLOE and Ann CORBIN Descendants of William(2) Ball, Capt. 1 William(2) Ball, Capt. 1641 - 1694 b: 06/02/1641 in England d: 09/30/1694 in Millenbeck, Lancaster Co., Virginia .. +Margaret Williamson 1658 - 1702 b: Bef. 1658 in Rappahannock Co., Virginia d: 1702 in Virginia ..... 2 William(3) Ball 1676 - 1744 b: 1676 in LancasterCo., Virginia d: Aft. 08/14/1744 in Lancaster Co., Virginia ......... +Hannah Heale 1682 - 1744 b: Abt. 1682 d: 1744 in prob Virginia ..... 2 Richard Ball 1677 - 1726 b: 1677 in Lancaster Co., Virginia d: 10/12/1726 in Lancaster Co., Virginia ......... +Sarah Young 1677 - 1742 b: Abt. 1677 in Essex Co., Va. d: 1742 in Lancaster Co., Va ..... 2 [1] James Ball, Col. 1678 - 1754 b: 10/15/1678 in Lancaster Co., Virginia d: 10/13/1754 in Lancaster Co., Va. ......... +Lettice Lee ..... *2nd Wife of [1] James Ball, Col.: ......... +Ann Elizabeth "Eliza" Howson 1680 - 1704 b: 1680 in Northumberland Co., Virginia d: 01/22/1704 in Lancaster Co., Virginia ..... *3rd Wife of [1] James Ball, Col.: ......... +Mary Conway 1686 - 1730 b: 02/16/1686 d: 09/15/1730 ..... 2 Joseph Ball, Capt. 1680 - 1721 b: 1680 in Coan Hall, Northumberland Co., Va. d: 09/1721 in Coan Hall, Northumberland Co., Va. ......... +Mary Mottrom 1680 - b: Abt. 1680 ..... 2 David Ball 1686 - 1732 b: 09/26/1686 in Lancaster Co., Virginia d: 12/14/1732 in Lancaster Co., Virginia ......... +Ellen Heale 1705 - b: 11/19/1705 ..... 2 Samuel Henry Ball, Capt. 1686 - 1751 b: 09/26/1686 in Lancaster Co., Virginia d: 11/22/1751 in St. Mark's Parish, Culpeper Co., Virginia ......... +Anne Catharina Tayloe 1695 - 1751 b: Abt. 1695 d: Aft. 1751 ..... 2 George Ball 1687 - 1746 b: 1687 in Lancaster Co., Virginia d: 1746 in Northumberland Co., Va.--will 1746 ......... +Grace Haynie 1695 - 1752 b: Bef. 1695 in Northumberland Co., Va. d: 02/10/1752 in Northumberland Co., Va. ..... 2 Strechley Ball 1688 - 1694 b: 1688 d: Aft. 1694 ..... 2 [2] Margaret Ball 1690 - 1758 b: 1690 in Lancaster Co., Virginia d: 1758 in Lancaster Co., Virginia ......... +Rawleigh Chinn 1684 - 1741 b: 05/23/1684 in Lancaster, Virginia d: 08/1741 in Lancaster Co., Virginia ..... *2nd Husband of [2] Margaret Ball: ......... +Rawleigh Downman, Jr. - 1718 d: Bet. 12/29/1718 - 03/11/1719 in Lancaster Co., Virginia Charlene REEDS-EBELINGGenealogical Direct Lines: In a message dated 8/26/2011 3:48:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Janean, Page Henley of Lancaster County is writing an article on John Stretchley for the next issue of the Northern Neck of Virginia Historical Society. He was born near London, baptized 8 Mar 1648/9. He seems to have lived with the William Ball family for most of time, until he married Alice Chinn, widow of John-1 Chinn. He had no children.

Don, I've often wondered that myself. In those days they had little if no prior warning. Must have really freaked them out. Craig On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Donald E King wrote: > Where did these people 'hide-out" in the prior centuries? >

Hi all, As we all know, we here in the Northern Neck in for a hulluva storm. All is calm right now, but evacuation orders have been given to residents of Morattico, Towles Point, Windmill Point and other low-lying areas along the Rappahannock and the Bay. For now, we are taking hope in a somewhat downgraded hurricane rating. What is unusual about Irene is how slowly she is moving, and SUSTAINED winds for 20 hours at anywhere from 50 to 65 mph. That is a lot of wind over a long period of time. As long as my ATT air card can receive a satellite signal (and the power stays on), I will send updates during and after the storm for the Northern Neck. I hope others on this list who live in the Northern Neck will also post updates. Keeping our fingers crossed! Craig Kilby P. S My dog has never lived through a Hurricane and this may produce some interesting results. My first question of course is where is he going to do his business? When we got socked with over a foot of snow two years, he somehow held it all in. Maybe dogs have an internal brain/bowel system. Any advice on this welcomed (but probably not to the list.)

Janean, Page Henley of Lancaster County is writing an article on John Stretchley for the next issue of the Northern Neck of Virginia Historical Society. He was born near London, baptized 8 Mar 1648/9. He seems to have lived with the William Ball family for most of time, until he married Alice Chinn, widow of John-1 Chinn. He had no children. I can't vouch for the maiden name of Alice being Smoot. It is not in her will, at least in the abstract I have of it by Ida J. Lee. Craig On Aug 26, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > John Stretchley > > On a dark stone slab sunken to the level of the soil, and placed near one of > the doors of the church, is the tomb of one of the early clerks of > Lancaster. The inscription is in these words: > > Here lieth interred the body of John Strethley Gent. who departed this life > the 8th day of Dec. 1698, in 50th year of his age. William & Mary > Quarterly Vol. 11 #3 Jan. 1903, pp. 191-195. "Tombs in White Chapel Church > Yard, Lancaster Co. Va." Early Tombs in Westmoreland, Richmond, and > Northumberland Co. > > Has anyone by chance seen the will of Ann Chinn daughter of Alice and John > Chinn? > ANN CHINN (pg 1 (3), daughter of John, Sr. and Alice (SMOOT) Chinn). > Married (1) William Fox, (2) Richard Chichester > > > Her Will is dated February 9, 1725, and was recorded December 10, 1729 in > Clerks Office, Lancaster County, Virginia - Will book no. 12, pg. 123. The > transcribed version I have shows the name Smoot but I think someone may have > later inserted that. > > Item - I give to my Aunt Dorothy (Smoot) Greenham, wife of Jeremiah Greenham > of Richmond Co. Plantu, my suit of silk crape clothes and a suit of muslin > head clothes - with apron, rufels and --- > Item - My will and desire is that my Mulatto girl name Mary which is now in > possession of Jeremiah Greenham and my aunt Dorothy Greenham his wife remain > with my Aunt Greenham until the said mulatto girl Mary shall rise to the > years of twenty and one if my Aunt Dorothy Greenham shall live so long and > in case my Aunt shall die before Mary shall come to 21 years....... > > Then I have this for Alice > > 29 Aug - 8 Oct 1701 Lancaster Co, VA WB08:106. Will of Alice STRETCHLEY of > Lancaster County, Parish of St. Mary's White Chapel. To sister Dorothy > DURHAM; my cousin Mary DODSON, as much black crepe as will make her a > mourning suit; daughters Anne FOX, in lieu and full satisfaction of her > portion left by her father Mr. Jno. CHIN and of the Legacy left her by her > Father in Law Mr. Jno STRETCHLEY; daughter Catherine HEAD (HEAL?); son in > law Capt. William FOX, sterling left him by my husband, Mr. John STRETCHLEY, > sister Tomalin [sic] MARSHALL; son, Rawleigh CHINN. Wits: Joseph TAYLOE, > Lewis PUGH, David SMITH. > > The references/notes/sources I show regarding the marriage of John Chinn to > Alice (Smoot) are as follows: > Notes for John Chynn and Alice *Unknown (Smoot) > 1. Marriage source: Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Vol. > 27, 1919, page 297-8 > 2. Marriage source: Edwards Family History, DAR Records, Film #872806, > Husband - John Chynn > 3. Individual source: Genealogies of Virginia Families, Vol. II, CO-HA, > William & Mary Quarterly, page 630 > 4. Individual source: Branch, Harris, Jarvis and Chinn Book, pg. 258, > SLFHC > 5. Individual source: IGI Virginia, 1984 > 6. Died source: Genealogies of Kentucky Families, Vol. A-M, Arizona > Capital Library > 7. Died source: Ansearchin News, Vol. 3-6, January 1956 - October 1959, > page 42. > 8. Will source: Lancaster Co., VA Wills, Deeds & Inventories, film > #32135-MFHC > 9. Died source: Lancaster Co., VA Wills, Deeds & Inventories, film > #32135-MFHC > 10. Edwards Family History DAR Records Film #872806 > 11. Will source: Lancaster Co. Wills, Vol. 2, 1654-1702 > > I know this topic has been beaten to death like an old rug but it never > hurts to revive it once in a while. > > Janean > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] early NN tombstones > > Kathleen, > > I wonder about a lot of early stones. For those in the 1600s, that would be > the 17th century. According to Page Henley, the oldest stone at St. Mary's > White Chapel Church (Lancaster County) is for John Stretchley, one of the > early county clerks, much associated with the Ball family, and 2nd husband > of Alice (-----), widow of John-1 Chinn. > > Page is writing an article on John Stretchley for the next issue of the > Northern Neck of Virginia Historical Magazine. Carolyn Jett has been > assisting him on some of the English research, we they have found his > baptism records, and much more. We are hopeful that more work on this will > lead us to the true origins of Col. William Ball, emigrant. (That's another > story for another day.) > > Craig > > P.S. Hannah Heale married William-3 Ball (William-2, Wiliam-1). I've not > seen him styled Colonel before. > > On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Kathleen Much wrote: > >> A while back, Craig wondered about 18th-c tombstones in VA. The >> earliest known ledger (horizontal tombstone) in the NN is Capt. Thomas >> Beale's, dated 1679. In earlier accounts, it was called "the oldest >> tombstone with a perfectly preserved coat-of-arms in America" and "the >> oldest man-made artifact in the County - other than the Indians". It >> has been removed to Menokin Baptist Church from Chestnut Hill, the >> Beale family home in Richmond Co that was eventually in the possession >> of Hugh Morgan. Bill McCarty spearheaded its salvation and had a >> plexiglas cover made to protect it from the elements. When I last saw it, > the cover badly needed cleaning. >> >> The ledger reads: "Here lies the body of Capn Thomas Beale, Junr, who >> tooke to wife Ann the Daughter of Coll. William Gouge [Gooch] and had >> by her two Sones and two Daughters, he departed this life the >> sixteenth day of October An D Mi 1679--AETATISSVE 32". I know of his >> children Anne, Thomas, and Charles, but I have not been able to >> identify the other daughter. Does anyone know who she was? Frances >> Beal Smith Hodges, following Hayden, called her Hannah and said she >> married Col. William Ball, but this is a clear error for Hannah Heale. >> >> There are a number of other markers from the 18th c, including some >> Balls and McCartys. I don't know firsthand of any other 17th-c stones, >> but there may be a few in the churchyards of early parishes or in >> private burial grounds on family plantations. >> >> Kathleen Much >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Where did these people 'hide-out" in the prior centuries? On Aug 26, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > Hi all, > > As we all know, we here in the Northern Neck in for a hulluva storm. All is calm right now, but evacuation orders have been given to residents of Morattico, Towles Point, Windmill Point and other low-lying areas along the Rappahannock and the Bay. > > For now, we are taking hope in a somewhat downgraded hurricane rating. What is unusual about Irene is how slowly she is moving, and SUSTAINED winds for 20 hours at anywhere from 50 to 65 mph. That is a lot of wind over a long period of time. > > As long as my ATT air card can receive a satellite signal (and the power stays on), I will send updates during and after the storm for the Northern Neck. I hope others on this list who live in the Northern Neck will also post updates. > > Keeping our fingers crossed! > > Craig Kilby > > P. S My dog has never lived through a Hurricane and this may produce some interesting results. My first question of course is where is he going to do his business? When we got socked with over a foot of snow two years, he somehow held it all in. Maybe dogs have an internal brain/bowel system. Any advice on this welcomed (but probably not to the list.) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Stretchley On a dark stone slab sunken to the level of the soil, and placed near one of the doors of the church, is the tomb of one of the early clerks of Lancaster. The inscription is in these words: Here lieth interred the body of John Strethley Gent. who departed this life the 8th day of Dec. 1698, in 50th year of his age. William & Mary Quarterly Vol. 11 #3 Jan. 1903, pp. 191-195. "Tombs in White Chapel Church Yard, Lancaster Co. Va." Early Tombs in Westmoreland, Richmond, and Northumberland Co. Has anyone by chance seen the will of Ann Chinn daughter of Alice and John Chinn? ANN CHINN (pg 1 (3), daughter of John, Sr. and Alice (SMOOT) Chinn). Married (1) William Fox, (2) Richard Chichester Her Will is dated February 9, 1725, and was recorded December 10, 1729 in Clerks Office, Lancaster County, Virginia - Will book no. 12, pg. 123. The transcribed version I have shows the name Smoot but I think someone may have later inserted that. Item - I give to my Aunt Dorothy (Smoot) Greenham, wife of Jeremiah Greenham of Richmond Co. Plantu, my suit of silk crape clothes and a suit of muslin head clothes - with apron, rufels and --- Item - My will and desire is that my Mulatto girl name Mary which is now in possession of Jeremiah Greenham and my aunt Dorothy Greenham his wife remain with my Aunt Greenham until the said mulatto girl Mary shall rise to the years of twenty and one if my Aunt Dorothy Greenham shall live so long and in case my Aunt shall die before Mary shall come to 21 years....... Then I have this for Alice 29 Aug - 8 Oct 1701 Lancaster Co, VA WB08:106. Will of Alice STRETCHLEY of Lancaster County, Parish of St. Mary's White Chapel. To sister Dorothy DURHAM; my cousin Mary DODSON, as much black crepe as will make her a mourning suit; daughters Anne FOX, in lieu and full satisfaction of her portion left by her father Mr. Jno. CHIN and of the Legacy left her by her Father in Law Mr. Jno STRETCHLEY; daughter Catherine HEAD (HEAL?); son in law Capt. William FOX, sterling left him by my husband, Mr. John STRETCHLEY, sister Tomalin [sic] MARSHALL; son, Rawleigh CHINN. Wits: Joseph TAYLOE, Lewis PUGH, David SMITH. The references/notes/sources I show regarding the marriage of John Chinn to Alice (Smoot) are as follows: Notes for John Chynn and Alice *Unknown (Smoot) 1. Marriage source: Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Vol. 27, 1919, page 297-8 2. Marriage source: Edwards Family History, DAR Records, Film #872806, Husband - John Chynn 3. Individual source: Genealogies of Virginia Families, Vol. II, CO-HA, William & Mary Quarterly, page 630 4. Individual source: Branch, Harris, Jarvis and Chinn Book, pg. 258, SLFHC 5. Individual source: IGI Virginia, 1984 6. Died source: Genealogies of Kentucky Families, Vol. A-M, Arizona Capital Library 7. Died source: Ansearchin News, Vol. 3-6, January 1956 - October 1959, page 42. 8. Will source: Lancaster Co., VA Wills, Deeds & Inventories, film #32135-MFHC 9. Died source: Lancaster Co., VA Wills, Deeds & Inventories, film #32135-MFHC 10. Edwards Family History DAR Records Film #872806 11. Will source: Lancaster Co. Wills, Vol. 2, 1654-1702 I know this topic has been beaten to death like an old rug but it never hurts to revive it once in a while. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] early NN tombstones Kathleen, I wonder about a lot of early stones. For those in the 1600s, that would be the 17th century. According to Page Henley, the oldest stone at St. Mary's White Chapel Church (Lancaster County) is for John Stretchley, one of the early county clerks, much associated with the Ball family, and 2nd husband of Alice (-----), widow of John-1 Chinn. Page is writing an article on John Stretchley for the next issue of the Northern Neck of Virginia Historical Magazine. Carolyn Jett has been assisting him on some of the English research, we they have found his baptism records, and much more. We are hopeful that more work on this will lead us to the true origins of Col. William Ball, emigrant. (That's another story for another day.) Craig P.S. Hannah Heale married William-3 Ball (William-2, Wiliam-1). I've not seen him styled Colonel before. On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Kathleen Much wrote: > A while back, Craig wondered about 18th-c tombstones in VA. The > earliest known ledger (horizontal tombstone) in the NN is Capt. Thomas > Beale's, dated 1679. In earlier accounts, it was called "the oldest > tombstone with a perfectly preserved coat-of-arms in America" and "the > oldest man-made artifact in the County - other than the Indians". It > has been removed to Menokin Baptist Church from Chestnut Hill, the > Beale family home in Richmond Co that was eventually in the possession > of Hugh Morgan. Bill McCarty spearheaded its salvation and had a > plexiglas cover made to protect it from the elements. When I last saw it, the cover badly needed cleaning. > > The ledger reads: "Here lies the body of Capn Thomas Beale, Junr, who > tooke to wife Ann the Daughter of Coll. William Gouge [Gooch] and had > by her two Sones and two Daughters, he departed this life the > sixteenth day of October An D Mi 1679--AETATISSVE 32". I know of his > children Anne, Thomas, and Charles, but I have not been able to > identify the other daughter. Does anyone know who she was? Frances > Beal Smith Hodges, following Hayden, called her Hannah and said she > married Col. William Ball, but this is a clear error for Hannah Heale. > > There are a number of other markers from the 18th c, including some > Balls and McCartys. I don't know firsthand of any other 17th-c stones, > but there may be a few in the churchyards of early parishes or in > private burial grounds on family plantations. > > Kathleen Much > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ed, the question I asked was when and where he was he styled "major.? His War of 1812 service record calls him a Quarter Master. I"ts a simple question that only requires a simple answer. No reason to get upset about it. This is a list of mostly serious resarchers who do not take humbrage at being asked for sources. Craig On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Edward White wrote: > Did I ever say he served after the War of 1812? No I did not it you bother > to read it. > > Write whatever you damn please and do not bother me again. > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ed, He died in 1844. The War of 1812 ended in 1815. The Mexican War has >> nothing to do with anything. There was ample time for him to move up in >> rank. His rank during the War of 1812, as far any records tell us, was >> Quarter Master. By the way, what is the source for him being called "Major" >> ? If he was styled "Major" on his tombstone, we do want to make note of that >> in the comments section for him. >> >> Craig >> >> On Aug 24, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Edward White wrote: >> >>> He never served later as he died before the Mex War. Could have made up >>> Major or does Quartermaster mean Major. i don't know. It was all >> militia >>> anyway and the main qualification was how fast of foot they were when >> facing >>> HM's troops and the RN. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What does "He never served later as he died before the Mex War" mean to you? And stop getting so pissed off all the time over NOTHING. On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Edward White wrote: > Did I ever say he served after the War of 1812? No I did not it you bother > to read it. > > Write whatever you damn please and do not bother me again. > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ed, He died in 1844. The War of 1812 ended in 1815. The Mexican War has >> nothing to do with anything. There was ample time for him to move up in >> rank. His rank during the War of 1812, as far any records tell us, was >> Quarter Master. By the way, what is the source for him being called "Major" >> ? If he was styled "Major" on his tombstone, we do want to make note of that >> in the comments section for him. >> >> Craig >> >> On Aug 24, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Edward White wrote: >> >>> He never served later as he died before the Mex War. Could have made up >>> Major or does Quartermaster mean Major. i don't know. It was all >> militia >>> anyway and the main qualification was how fast of foot they were when >> facing >>> HM's troops and the RN. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kathleen, I wonder about a lot of early stones. For those in the 1600s, that would be the 17th century. According to Page Henley, the oldest stone at St. Mary's White Chapel Church (Lancaster County) is for John Stretchley, one of the early county clerks, much associated with the Ball family, and 2nd husband of Alice (-----), widow of John-1 Chinn. Page is writing an article on John Stretchley for the next issue of the Northern Neck of Virginia Historical Magazine. Carolyn Jett has been assisting him on some of the English research, we they have found his baptism records, and much more. We are hopeful that more work on this will lead us to the true origins of Col. William Ball, emigrant. (That's another story for another day.) Craig P.S. Hannah Heale married William-3 Ball (William-2, Wiliam-1). I've not seen him styled Colonel before. On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Kathleen Much wrote: > A while back, Craig wondered about 18th-c tombstones in VA. The earliest > known ledger (horizontal tombstone) in the NN is Capt. Thomas Beale's, dated > 1679. In earlier accounts, it was called "the oldest tombstone with a > perfectly preserved coat-of-arms in America" and "the oldest man-made > artifact in the County - other than the Indians". It has been removed to > Menokin Baptist Church from Chestnut Hill, the Beale family home in Richmond > Co that was eventually in the possession of Hugh Morgan. Bill McCarty > spearheaded its salvation and had a plexiglas cover made to protect it from > the elements. When I last saw it, the cover badly needed cleaning. > > The ledger reads: "Here lies the body of Capn Thomas Beale, Junr, who tooke > to wife Ann the Daughter of Coll. William Gouge [Gooch] and had by her two > Sones and two Daughters, he departed this life the sixteenth day of October > An D Mi 1679--AETATISSVE 32". I know of his children Anne, Thomas, and > Charles, but I have not been able to identify the other daughter. Does > anyone know who she was? Frances Beal Smith Hodges, following Hayden, called > her Hannah and said she married Col. William Ball, but this is a clear error > for Hannah Heale. > > There are a number of other markers from the 18th c, including some Balls > and McCartys. I don't know firsthand of any other 17th-c stones, but there > may be a few in the churchyards of early parishes or in private burial > grounds on family plantations. > > Kathleen Much > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Did I ever say he served after the War of 1812? No I did not it you bother to read it. Write whatever you damn please and do not bother me again. On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: > Ed, He died in 1844. The War of 1812 ended in 1815. The Mexican War has > nothing to do with anything. There was ample time for him to move up in > rank. His rank during the War of 1812, as far any records tell us, was > Quarter Master. By the way, what is the source for him being called "Major" > ? If he was styled "Major" on his tombstone, we do want to make note of that > in the comments section for him. > > Craig > > On Aug 24, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Edward White wrote: > > > He never served later as he died before the Mex War. Could have made up > > Major or does Quartermaster mean Major. i don't know. It was all > militia > > anyway and the main qualification was how fast of foot they were when > facing > > HM's troops and the RN. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ed, He died in 1844. The War of 1812 ended in 1815. The Mexican War has nothing to do with anything. There was ample time for him to move up in rank. His rank during the War of 1812, as far any records tell us, was Quarter Master. By the way, what is the source for him being called "Major" ? If he was styled "Major" on his tombstone, we do want to make note of that in the comments section for him. Craig On Aug 24, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Edward White wrote: > He never served later as he died before the Mex War. Could have made up > Major or does Quartermaster mean Major. i don't know. It was all militia > anyway and the main qualification was how fast of foot they were when facing > HM's troops and the RN.

Kathleen, I noticed in 1699 Thomas Dew is involved in the William Barber estate settlement concerning Thomas Dew children. Elizabeth is not mentioned, making me think Elizabeth has died by 1699. So, maybe Thomas Dew married Jane/Jean McCarty/Baker after this date. Still thinking this John Baker near Nomini Creek, is our man, as he's the only one in area where McCarty family showing up nearby in time frame, least to my knowledge. Now to the Barbers April 13,1724, Robert Carter writes a letter to a Richmond Co Surveyor "Thomas Barber". I think this letter will be of interest to anyone with Germanna or PrW ancestors. http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/users/berkeley/html/C24d13a.mod.html William Barber, father to Thomas Dew's wife, Elizabeth is said to have had sons William, Charles & "Thomas". Question: Is his son Thomas Barber a Surveyor, and one named in Carter Letter ? Of course Carter family - Robert Carter II, built Nomini Hall (very near John Baker). Next question: Is Captain Thomas Barber with property on Pignut Ridge, PrW (beside a William Bailey, maybe w/WCO connections) the same man? William Russell, also mentioned in Carter letter, patented land in 1725 on Pignut Ridge, PrW. William Russell's daughter is said to have married John Holtzclaw, who has a daughter Elizabeth who marries my Y-Dna cousin's ancestor, John Duncan. Another person with property on Pignut Ridge is Peter Cornwell, believe to be the grandson of Peter Duncan of Nomini Creek, father to John Duncan with property beside John Baker. So, does anyone know if Captain Thomas Barber of Pignut Ridge,PrW is same man as the 1724 surveyor of Richmond Co, Va., and is he son of WIlliam Barber? -- Fred Duncan

Hi Craig, Here's mine. Horatio Ball, 1785-1872 per transcript of obelisk in cemetery (also quoted in Mt. Olivet book below) Sergeant in Col. Dangerfield's DC Militia under Captain Hugh Minor (per bounty land applications) Married (1) Catherine Marcey (1792-1830), and (2) Elizabeth Marcey (1801-1871) - dates for wives from obelisk mentioned above. Have not had time to research the wive's parents, but various authors mention the two were sisters. Horatio "was a trustee of Fairfax Chapel for many years" per Melvin Lee Steadman, Jr., Historian, Virginia Methodist Historical Society, as quoted in the Mt. Olivet book listed below. He was among the men appointed as "Commisioners to assess land damages, in this county, on the line of the Alexandria, Loudoun, and Hampshire Rail Road" per Alexandria Gazette, 10 Aug 1854 p3. Was also one of the Commissioners chosen to superintend the election of 24 May 1855 per Alexandria Gazette 15 May 1855, p2. Horatio's parents - John Ball (1746-1814, Revolutionary War Veteran) and Mary Ann Thrift (1750-1804) - dates from obelisk Horatio was born in Fairfax County, VA (his father and grandfather were landowners there per patent, deed, etc. Can get details if needed.) Cemetery - The Old Ball Family Burial Ground located behind 3427 Washington Boulevard, Arlington, VA per "Arlington Heritage" book by Templeman, listed below. County of Burial - at the time was Alexandria County, now Arlington County, VA Pension information from NARA Bounty Land Files, Received 40 acres Warrant 28552 under Act of Sept. 28, 1850, and another 120 acres Warrant 3386 under the Act of 1855. Sources include copies of the pension file received from NARA in 2000, transcript of names & dates in Old Ball Family Burial Ground from USGenWeb Site, "Mt. Olivet Methodist; Arlington's Pioneer Church" by Frank L. Ball (grandson of Horatio), and other secondary (or worse) sources including "Arlington Heritage" (journal of the Arlington County Historical Society) October 1977, "Arlington Heritage; Vignettes of a Virginia County" by Eleanor Lee Templeman, "The Balls of Fairfax and Stafford" by Bonnie S. Ball. Sorry about all the secondary sources; constraints of funds and geography have prevented me from verifying the information, but the census records I have do tend to confirm it. Plus you may have him in your database already :-) Susan in Missouri

He never served later as he died before the Mex War. Could have made up Major or does Quartermaster mean Major. i don't know. It was all militia anyway and the main qualification was how fast of foot they were when facing HM's troops and the RN. On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: > Ed, > > Thanks. Mallory's book is one of our sources, naturally. For rank, we are > using highest known rank during the war. Many went on to achieve higher > ranks later, as may be the case with Major Bailey. We cannot afford the time > and expense of doing extensive genealogical research on all 4100+ people in > this data base. We'd never get the book published. As such, we are reliant > on published materials and research sent to us by individuals. My job is > vetting and editing. > > Speaking of sources, I meant to write this to the list earlier. The > Northern Neck of Virginia Historical Society recently purchased Virgil > White's two-volume abstracts of pensions from the War of 1812. This covers > the entire United States, but is a real gold mine. But it needs to be used > in conjunction with Wardell's book on Virginia Pensions and Bounty Land > Warrants, as well as Stuart Butler's new and revised book on militia units > and officers of the War of 1812 in Virginia. > > The White books are on loan to Mike Lyman of White Stone, who is doing the > research on this project. When he is finished with them, they will be > returned to the Society as part of its permanent collection. > > Craig > > > On Aug 23, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Edward White wrote: > > > Co. History I believe says quartermaster, but somewhere I think that was > > changed. He was known as Major B. > > > > Bailey Family Cem. is ok. Both have been used. > > > > Many of these people served in multiple companies with different rank. > > Suspect most buried at home. If you wanted to go into it, use WCH and > cross > > check names with Dal Mallory's book. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >