Correction to my last message. The James Tarpley who died in Richmond County in 1713 was the BROTHER of the first John Tarpley, not the father. I don't know when the father died. Craig

In a message dated 9/5/2011 1:53:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Yes he m. Elizabeth Glascock, Elizabeth Nutt Newman and Ann Glascock. With Elizabeth Glascock he had James and John (that I show). Son John was born 16 Jul 1695 and d. bef. 7 Feb. 1736/7. Son John m. abt. 1715 to (1) Elizabeth Travers and (2)Elizabeth Ripping. **************************************************************************** ************************ I have Elizabeth GLASCOCK m Thomas GRIFFIN. Thomas was the son of Col. Leroy GRIFFIN b. 1646 d bef 1688 and Winnifred CORBIN 16661-1711, my many-grt aunt. Descendants of Thomas Glasscock 1 Thomas Glasscock - 1713 d: Bef. 1713 .. +Anne Nichols - 1713 d: Bet. 03/03/1713 - 04/07/1714 in Richmond Co., Virginia ..... 2 Jean/Joan Glasscock 1673 - b: 07/10/1673 ......... +Rowland Lawson III ..... 2 George Glasscock 1683 - b: Abt. 1683 ......... +Million Downman 1683 - 1770 b: 11/21/1683 in Richmond Co., Virginia d: 10/25/1770 ..... 2 Frances Glasscock 1680 - b: 07/14/1680 ......... +Charles Barber, Col. 1676 - 1726 b: 06/19/1676 in North Farnham Parish, Richmond Co., Virginia d: 11/24/1726 in Richmond Co., Virginia ..... 2 Mary Glasscock 1690 - b: 01/02/1690 ......... +John Hopkins 1690 - b: Abt. 1690 ..... 2 [1] Elizabeth Glasscock 1684 - 1761 b: Abt. 1684 d: Bef. 1761 ......... +Thomas Griffin 1684 - 1733 b: 09/20/1684 d: Bef. 06/04/1733 in Richmond Co., Va. ..... *2nd Husband of [1] Elizabeth Glasscock: ......... +William Downman ..... 2 Winifred Glasscock 1684 - b: Abt. 1684 ......... +Anthony Sydnor 1682 - 1759 b: 01/18/1682 in Lancaster Co., Virginia d: 10/1759 in Richmond Co., Virginia ..... 2 [2] Anne Glasscock 1673 - 1740 b: 11/10/1673 in Lancaster Co., Virginia d: 07/24/1740 in Richmond Co., Virginia ......... +John Tarpley, Jr. 1661 - 1739 b: 1661 in North Farnham Parish, Richmond Co., Virginia d: Abt. 1739 in North Farnham Parish, Richmond Co., Virginia ..... *2nd Husband of [2] Anne Glasscock: ......... +John Nelson 1675 - 1748 b: 1675 in Lancashire, England d: 1748 in Fauquier Co., Virginia Richmond County, Virginia; WILL BOOK 4, 1717-1725 p.196 - Mary CARPENTER, Farn. Par., will; 22 Dec 1721, 3 Jan 1721/22 Frances BARBER; Jean LAWSON; Elizabeth and Anne (daus. of Charles BARBER); Mary BARBER; Thomas and Charles (sons of Charles BARBER); Anne (dau. of Thomas GRIFFIN); Thomas GRIFFIN and his wife; bro. Thomas GLASCOCK; John and Thomas (sons of Thomas GLASCOCK); Capt. William WOODBRIDGE; Samuel HIPKINS; John TARPLEY Jr; John TARPLEY Sr; Winifred and Alice (daus. of Thomas GRIFFIN); Anne (wife of John TARPLEY); Million GLASCOCK; Elizabeth DOWNNAN; all land in Lanc. Co. to Anne the wife of Col. John TARPLEY; William GLASCOCK; Sarah (dau. to Thomas GLASCOCK; ex: John TARPLEY Sr. and John TARPLEY Jr.; wits: Alexander MATSON, John BROWN, [Hanner KELLIE] [Mary CARPENTER may have been the wife of Thomas CARPENTER whose will was rec. 10 Jul 1728 in Lanc. Co. WLC, p.35.1 Charlene REEDS-EBELING Genealogical Direct Lines: DAD'S SIDE: REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, WILLIAMSON, UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph and Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., Va), BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay MOMS SIDE: CORNELL/CORNWELL (NY), COONS/KUNTZ, ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, MORSE, REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, SIEGFRIED

Janean, some notes below: On Sep 5, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > Yes he m. Elizabeth Glascock, Elizabeth Nutt Newman and Ann Glascock. With > Elizabeth Glascock he had James and John (that I show). Son John was born > 16 Jul 1695 and d. bef. 7 Feb. 1736/7. Son John m. abt. 1715 to (1) > Elizabeth Travers and (2)Elizabeth Ripping. The three wives agree with my information. However, there was no son James Tarpley by any of the wives, just one child, son John II. He did have a brother named James, and both were the sons of James Tarpley (d. 1713). > > He died before his father. John Tarpley #1 b. abt. 1661 d. aft. 23 Nov. > 1738. John Tarpley #2 b. 16 July 1695 d. bef. 7 Feb. 1736/7. No, John Tarpley #2 (or the Elder), did NOT die before 7 Feb 1736/7. He was very much alive and stayed that way until 1787, as Scott will show. John #3 (or Jr.) died unmarried with no children in Williamsburg in 1763. Craig

While we have been discussing that John Tarpley II had two sons named John by two different wives (both named Elizabeth) is confusing, and uncommon, it is not unheard of. One case in point is Stockley Towles, a native of Accomack County, but who married Anne Vallott in Middlesex County and lived there before moving to what is now Culpeper or Madison County, where he married a second time and had two more children. The span of years for all of his children was from 1710 to 1756--a span of 46 years! By his first wife he had 13 children among whom were Henry and Mary. By his second wife Jane (Sparks) Wharton, herself a widow, he had two more children: another Henry and another Mary. The first Henry was dead by the time the second Henry was born, but the first Mary was still very much alive, but married herself, when the 2nd Mary was born. This practice seems to be more common with multiple marriages, but not always. Jumping forward to the 1880s, two brothers both named John Whealton (one of them had middle initial "H") came from Somerset County, Maryland to establish a wharf and oyster packing business at what is now known as the Village of Morattico. During their hay-day, however, it was known as Whealton's Wharf. (The locals pronouce the name as WILTON). As far as know, they were full blood brothers, not half-brothers, but on that I am not positive. Another more common occurance of the same given name in a family is when infant dies and (usually)the next one is named the same. Craig

Yes he m. Elizabeth Glascock, Elizabeth Nutt Newman and Ann Glascock. With Elizabeth Glascock he had James and John (that I show). Son John was born 16 Jul 1695 and d. bef. 7 Feb. 1736/7. Son John m. abt. 1715 to (1) Elizabeth Travers and (2)Elizabeth Ripping. He died before his father. John Tarpley #1 b. abt. 1661 d. aft. 23 Nov. 1738. John Tarpley #2 b. 16 July 1695 d. bef. 7 Feb. 1736/7. Supposedly now he had son John Tarpley #3 (ref'd to as John the Elder) by Elizabeth Travers b. 28 May 1720 and twin to sister Elizabeth and siblings to my Maj. Travers Tarpley. He then m. (2) Elizabeth Ripping and had son John Tarpley #4. I had to read this will over and over.... good catch.... on the JR.... I totally missed that. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kathleen Much Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Tarpleys All the Johns and Elizabeths are confusing. Here's some more information to throw into the pot. I think the first John Tarpley (d. 1738 or '39) was married 3 times, the first and third to sisters. As far as I know, he had only one son, John (b 1695, d ca 1736). Newman Arnold Hall, "Allerton of Virginia", _The Virginia Genealogist_ 32(3):173; 32(4): 291-292, says: "John Tarpley, son of John and Elizabeth (Glascock) Tarpley . . . was born 16 July 1695, Richmond Co., Va. [n.: North Farnham Parish Register, Richmond Co., Va.]." Capt. John Tarpley married Anne Glasscock in 1712/13 (_Deed Abstracts of Richmond Co, VA, 1711-1714_, typescript in Virginia Archives, p. 54: "1712 January. John Tarpley & Ann Glascock."). If his son John was born 1695 he must be by a first wife, who could also have been a Glasscock. Or was the first wife Elizabeth Nutt, as John Ffarnefold's will 1702 names "daughter in law Elizabeth Tarpley", who was his stepdaughter Elizabeth Nutt? Probably not, as Elizabeth (Nutt) Newman is said to have married John Tarpley in 1699, after his son John was born. (G.H.S. King, _Marriages of Richmond County, VA, 1668-1853_ (Easley, SC: Southern Historical Press, 1986), p. 204: "TARPLEY, JOHN married circa 10 August 1699 per a prenuptial agreement, Elizabeth Newman, widow of Captain Alexander Newman (16??-1698) (q.v.), p. 146. DB#3, p. 32.") Richmond County Will Book 5 (1725-1753) p. 338, photocopy in possession of K. Much: "I John Tarpley of the County of Richmond & parish of North Farnham being Sick in body but of Perfect Sense & Memory do Consititute & declare this to be my last Will & Testament in Manner & form Following. Imprimis. I give & Committ My Soul to Almighty God... "Item. I leave my Wellbeloved wife Ann Tarpley the use of those following Negroes Viz. Long Tom, Iris Daughter Mall, Bassaw, Nell, Will, George, Hannibal, Cato, Charles, and Betty for & during her Natural Life in Lieu of her Dower of Negroes and the house wench Clark Nan during my said wife's Life, and after her decease it is my will & desire the said house wench do make Choise of my Grandson John Tarpley my Grandson Travers Tarpley & My Grandson James Tarpley which she shall think fitt for her Master. "Item. I give to my said Wife the Feather Bed & furniture she now lies on and her Choise of one other of My Beds & furniture (my own excepted) one third part of all my household Furniture, that is not heretofore by Me given away. "Item. I give my said Wife my Horse Whalebone and one of my young horses when Broke during her Natural Life. "Item. I give to My Grandson, James Tarpley the Two Negroes George & Betty before given to my Wife after my s^d Wife's decease. "Item. I give My little Negroe Eve, to my Grandson Travers Tarpley's eldest Daughter Betty. "Item. I give to my Grandson Tertius Quintus Tarpley My Negroes Anthony & Fank [sic]. "Item. I give to My Youngest Grandson John Tarpley the Negro Boy Charles, before Given to My Wife after my said Wife's decease and a Negro Girl Named Judy. "Item. I give to my Grandson Travers Tarpley my Mill Called & Known by the name of the New Mill standing on Constable's Run at the head of Farnham Creek Together with the Land and all other the Appurtenances thereto Belonging to him & heirs for Ever. "Item. It is my will & pleasure that all the Negroes Given to my wife and after her decease not Given to my other Grandsons be Equally divided between my Two Grandsons Trav^s & John Tarpley & heirs for Ever. "Item. It is my Will that my said Wife shou^d live in my dwelling house with my Grandson John Tarpley during her Widowhood or otherwise if she Sho'd think fitt it is my Will that she have my Plantation at the head of Moratico, which I bot of Mrs Lawson, During her Natural Life with all the Stocks of Cattle & hoggs Thereto belonging. "Item. I give My Grandson John Tarpley the Plantation whereon I Now Live with all the Appurtenances thereto belonging to him and the Male heir of his Body Lawfully begotten, and for want of Such to his Eldest Daughter & the heirs Male of her Body Lawfully to be begotten and for want of Such heir to My Grandson James Tarpley & the heirs Male of his Body Lawfully to be Begotten and for Want of Such heir to My Grandson John Tarpley Jr & the Male heirs of his Body lawfully to be Begotten & so on to the World's End. "Item. I give all the Rest & Residue of My Estate both Real & Personal to My Grandson John Tarpley & his heirs for Ever. "Item. It is My Will & Desire that all & Singular the Goods & Chattles Given to My Wife, and it is my True Intent & Meaning that the Same be in Lieu of her Dower. "Item. It is my Will & Pleasure that my Estate be not appraized but Inventoried by My Executors, and Divided by Col. Charles Grymes & Capt. Leroy Griffin. A. last of all, I do appoint & Constitute My Two Grandsons Travers & John Tarpley whole & Sole Executors, of this My last Will & Testament. In Testimony whereof have hereunto Sett My hand & Seal this 23 Day of November MDCCxxxviij [1738]. [signed] John Tarpley [seal] Testes: Tho:s Bluett, Eleanor Bluett, Rebecca [the mark of RC] Cosington "At a Court held for Richmond County the Seventh Day of May MDCCxxxix [1739] This Will was proved in Open Court by the oath of Thomas Bluet one of the Witnesses thereto, who also Deposed that he See the other Two Witnesses Subscribed the Same, which at the Motion of John Tarpley one of the Executors was Admitted to Record. Test. M. Beckwith ClCur. "At a Court held for Richmond County the first Day of October 1739. This will was proved in open Court by the oaths of Elianor Bluett and Rebecca Covington Two of the Witnesses thereto. Test M. Beckwith ClCur." John Tarpley Jr was married to 2 Elizabeths. First to Elizabeth Travers, by whom he had Travers (b. ca 1717) and twins John and Elizabeth (b. 28 May 1720, NFPR). Second to Elizabeth Ripping, by whom he had Edward Ripping (b 19 Apr 1727), Elizabeth (b 4 Mar 1728/9), James, John, and Tertius Quintus. Newman Hall says: " Since the distribution of the entire estate of John Tarpley does not mention his son John by his first wife, this implies that this older son John did not survive--very possibly, being a twin, he died at birth. This observation is in conflict with the statement by King that both sons, John, by both wives, survived. There is no specific evidence cited, however, to support this proposition nor any resolution of the incompatibility it would imply with the above stated references." Kathleen Much ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am pasting two portions of Kathleen's message: On Sep 5, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Kathleen Much wrote: > > Richmond County Will Book 5 (1725-1753) p. 338, > "Item. I give My Grandson John Tarpley the Plantation whereon I Now Live > with all the Appurtenances thereto belonging to him and the Male heir of his > Body Lawfully begotten, and for want of Such to his Eldest Daughter & the > heirs Male of her Body Lawfully to be begotten and for want of Such heir to > My Grandson James Tarpley & the heirs Male of his Body Lawfully to be > Begotten and for Want of Such heir to My Grandson John Tarpley Jr & the Male > heirs of his Body lawfully to be Begotten & so on to the World's End. > John Tarpley Jr was married to 2 Elizabeths. First to Elizabeth Travers, by > whom he had Travers (b. ca 1717) and twins John and Elizabeth (b. 28 May > 1720, NFPR). Second to Elizabeth Ripping, by whom he had Edward Ripping (b > 19 Apr 1727), Elizabeth (b 4 Mar 1728/9), James, John, and Tertius Quintus. This clause clearly shows there wereTWO grandsons both named John. The first (elder) John is given the land and then a line of succession to grandson John, Jr. The John I whose will this is only had one child, John II, the father of all the grandchildren named in this will. > Newman Hall says: " Since the distribution of the entire estate of John > Tarpley does not mention his son John by his first wife, this implies that > this older son John did not survive--very possibly, being a twin, he died at > birth. This observation is in conflict with the statement by King that both > sons, John, by both wives, survived. There is no specific evidence cited, > however, to support this proposition nor any resolution of the > incompatibility it would imply with the above stated references." Newman Hall is wrong about the division of the estate. Both Johns ARE mentioned in it. John the Elder was paid in cash instead of slaves, if I recall the record correctly. Scott has a copy of it. > > Kathleen Much > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is very interesting.  I have an ancestor named William Upton (1797-1879) who married Susannah Mathis (daughter of Vines Linsday Mathis & Nancy Anne Morehead Dameron) who had sons named William Laban Upton and Laban William Upton (both full brothers).   I'm glad to see it's not an uncommon practice. David    ________________________________ From: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Duplicate childrens names This practice seems to be more common with multiple marriages, but not always. Jumping forward to the 1880s, two brothers both named John Whealton (one of them had middle initial "H") came from Somerset County, Maryland to establish a wharf and oyster packing business at what is now known as the Village of Morattico. During their hay-day, however, it was known as Whealton's Wharf.  (The locals pronouce the name as WILTON).  As far as know, they were full blood brothers, not half-brothers, but on that I am not positive. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janean, Yes, Elder John Tarpley was the twin of Elizabeth. Elizabeth died young. It is this John "the Elder" who is the thrust of Scott's research. A careful reading of the will of John I (he outlived his son John II) should reveal that he names two grandsons named John, and they are two different people. A careful reading of the estate division of John II you refer to also substantiates this. John "Jr." died with no children. The Elder John married and had children, as Scott will show. Craig On Sep 5, 2011, at 9:48 AM, Janean Ray wrote: > Ok thanks Craig I will await clarification from Scott and find out how I can > get copies of the magazine and/or article. The only explanation as to why > "John the Elder" wasn't mentioned in the wills would be either he was dead > or he had already been provided for. > > I had Elizabeth.... and here's the interesting thing.... I had her and John > the Elder listed with same birth date. Were they twins? Did their mother > Elizabeth die after child birth? I look forward to hearing what Scott has > to say about these two Johns. > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:09 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Correction re Tarpley > > Janean: > > (1) I was mistaken in that Scott Tracy was a member of this list. He was > not. But, he has asked to be subscribed which I have done, and I will let > him address many of these issues. > > On Sep 4, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > >> I will enjoy reading these articles, but can I purchase them individually > or >> do I need to subscribe? How can I get them? > > I will let Scott address that question. When one publishes for the Magazine > of Virginia Genealogy there are certain copyright issues involved, though > those are negotiable, and I had no part in his dealings on that subject with > them. > >> >> John Tarpley Jr. and Elizabeth Travers were my 7th Great-grandparents >> through their son Travers Tarpley. >> >> To my knowledge, John and Elizabeth Ripping had sons Edward, James and >> Tertius Quintus Ripping. Her father Edward Ripping whose will made May > 12, >> 1734 named his daughter and three of his grandsons Edward, James and >> Quintus. > > There were five children. You omitted Elizabeth who died young and John, Jr. > (2nd of the name, d. 1763, with no children. He is the one Colonial > Williamsburg says was the father of William and Thomas, but clearly > Elizabeth Ripping Tarpley's will dispels that notion) This 2nd John is what > has caused so much confusion, because there was "John The Elder" son of the > first marriage to Elizabeth Travers. This is the thrust of Scott's research > and future articles. >> >> John's will distribution of slaves mentions Travers, Edward, James and > John. >> The estate was settled in 1745. Tertius had died prior to that however he >> was named in his grandmother Mary Ripping's will 23 Aug. 1744. Mary > Ripping >> mentions her other three grandsons James, Quintus and John and leaves them >> property that they are to receive as they attain the age of twenty one >> years. > > See above > >> >> So my question is... if Elizabeth Travers d. after 28 May 1720 and John >> Tarpley m. shortly thereafter Elizabeth Ripping...... c. 1721/22 it sounds >> to me that the child John was that of Elizabeth Ripping and John Tarpley > and >> not him having a John by both women. There is no mention of John in > Edward >> Rippings will in 1734 however there was a John named in the distribution > of >> slaves of his father in 1745. > > See above. He indeed did have two sons both named John--John the Elder and > John Jr.--, by two different wives, both named Elizabeth. This has been > hashed out pretty well by Scott, and supporting "opinion" was in an addendum > that George H. S. King wrote to his "Marriages of Richmond County" in which > this is explained. > > While I'm at it, "Tory Tom" Tarpley, the Doctor who later came back to > Richmond County, was the son of "Elder John" Tarpley. > > In essence, we have: > > John Tarpley I mar (three times, but only had one child by wife Elizabeth > Glascock: > > John Tarpley II > mar (1) Elizabeth Travers by whom (among others) > > "John The Elder" > > mar (2) Elizabeth Ripping by whom (among others) > > "John Jr." > > > I'm sure Scott will help to clarify this. > > Craig > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

All the Johns and Elizabeths are confusing. Here's some more information to throw into the pot. I think the first John Tarpley (d. 1738 or '39) was married 3 times, the first and third to sisters. As far as I know, he had only one son, John (b 1695, d ca 1736). Newman Arnold Hall, "Allerton of Virginia", _The Virginia Genealogist_ 32(3):173; 32(4): 291-292, says: "John Tarpley, son of John and Elizabeth (Glascock) Tarpley . . . was born 16 July 1695, Richmond Co., Va. [n.: North Farnham Parish Register, Richmond Co., Va.]." Capt. John Tarpley married Anne Glasscock in 1712/13 (_Deed Abstracts of Richmond Co, VA, 1711-1714_, typescript in Virginia Archives, p. 54: "1712 January. John Tarpley & Ann Glascock."). If his son John was born 1695 he must be by a first wife, who could also have been a Glasscock. Or was the first wife Elizabeth Nutt, as John Ffarnefold's will 1702 names "daughter in law Elizabeth Tarpley", who was his stepdaughter Elizabeth Nutt? Probably not, as Elizabeth (Nutt) Newman is said to have married John Tarpley in 1699, after his son John was born. (G.H.S. King, _Marriages of Richmond County, VA, 1668-1853_ (Easley, SC: Southern Historical Press, 1986), p. 204: "TARPLEY, JOHN married circa 10 August 1699 per a prenuptial agreement, Elizabeth Newman, widow of Captain Alexander Newman (16??-1698) (q.v.), p. 146. DB#3, p. 32.") Richmond County Will Book 5 (1725-1753) p. 338, photocopy in possession of K. Much: "I John Tarpley of the County of Richmond & parish of North Farnham being Sick in body but of Perfect Sense & Memory do Consititute & declare this to be my last Will & Testament in Manner & form Following. Imprimis. I give & Committ My Soul to Almighty God... "Item. I leave my Wellbeloved wife Ann Tarpley the use of those following Negroes Viz. Long Tom, Iris Daughter Mall, Bassaw, Nell, Will, George, Hannibal, Cato, Charles, and Betty for & during her Natural Life in Lieu of her Dower of Negroes and the house wench Clark Nan during my said wife's Life, and after her decease it is my will & desire the said house wench do make Choise of my Grandson John Tarpley my Grandson Travers Tarpley & My Grandson James Tarpley which she shall think fitt for her Master. "Item. I give to my said Wife the Feather Bed & furniture she now lies on and her Choise of one other of My Beds & furniture (my own excepted) one third part of all my household Furniture, that is not heretofore by Me given away. "Item. I give my said Wife my Horse Whalebone and one of my young horses when Broke during her Natural Life. "Item. I give to My Grandson, James Tarpley the Two Negroes George & Betty before given to my Wife after my s^d Wife's decease. "Item. I give My little Negroe Eve, to my Grandson Travers Tarpley's eldest Daughter Betty. "Item. I give to my Grandson Tertius Quintus Tarpley My Negroes Anthony & Fank [sic]. "Item. I give to My Youngest Grandson John Tarpley the Negro Boy Charles, before Given to My Wife after my said Wife's decease and a Negro Girl Named Judy. "Item. I give to my Grandson Travers Tarpley my Mill Called & Known by the name of the New Mill standing on Constable's Run at the head of Farnham Creek Together with the Land and all other the Appurtenances thereto Belonging to him & heirs for Ever. "Item. It is my will & pleasure that all the Negroes Given to my wife and after her decease not Given to my other Grandsons be Equally divided between my Two Grandsons Trav^s & John Tarpley & heirs for Ever. "Item. It is my Will that my said Wife shou^d live in my dwelling house with my Grandson John Tarpley during her Widowhood or otherwise if she Sho'd think fitt it is my Will that she have my Plantation at the head of Moratico, which I bot of Mrs Lawson, During her Natural Life with all the Stocks of Cattle & hoggs Thereto belonging. "Item. I give My Grandson John Tarpley the Plantation whereon I Now Live with all the Appurtenances thereto belonging to him and the Male heir of his Body Lawfully begotten, and for want of Such to his Eldest Daughter & the heirs Male of her Body Lawfully to be begotten and for want of Such heir to My Grandson James Tarpley & the heirs Male of his Body Lawfully to be Begotten and for Want of Such heir to My Grandson John Tarpley Jr & the Male heirs of his Body lawfully to be Begotten & so on to the World's End. "Item. I give all the Rest & Residue of My Estate both Real & Personal to My Grandson John Tarpley & his heirs for Ever. "Item. It is My Will & Desire that all & Singular the Goods & Chattles Given to My Wife, and it is my True Intent & Meaning that the Same be in Lieu of her Dower. "Item. It is my Will & Pleasure that my Estate be not appraized but Inventoried by My Executors, and Divided by Col. Charles Grymes & Capt. Leroy Griffin. A. last of all, I do appoint & Constitute My Two Grandsons Travers & John Tarpley whole & Sole Executors, of this My last Will & Testament. In Testimony whereof have hereunto Sett My hand & Seal this 23 Day of November MDCCxxxviij [1738]. [signed] John Tarpley [seal] Testes: Tho:s Bluett, Eleanor Bluett, Rebecca [the mark of RC] Cosington "At a Court held for Richmond County the Seventh Day of May MDCCxxxix [1739] This Will was proved in Open Court by the oath of Thomas Bluet one of the Witnesses thereto, who also Deposed that he See the other Two Witnesses Subscribed the Same, which at the Motion of John Tarpley one of the Executors was Admitted to Record. Test. M. Beckwith ClCur. "At a Court held for Richmond County the first Day of October 1739. This will was proved in open Court by the oaths of Elianor Bluett and Rebecca Covington Two of the Witnesses thereto. Test M. Beckwith ClCur." John Tarpley Jr was married to 2 Elizabeths. First to Elizabeth Travers, by whom he had Travers (b. ca 1717) and twins John and Elizabeth (b. 28 May 1720, NFPR). Second to Elizabeth Ripping, by whom he had Edward Ripping (b 19 Apr 1727), Elizabeth (b 4 Mar 1728/9), James, John, and Tertius Quintus. Newman Hall says: " Since the distribution of the entire estate of John Tarpley does not mention his son John by his first wife, this implies that this older son John did not survive--very possibly, being a twin, he died at birth. This observation is in conflict with the statement by King that both sons, John, by both wives, survived. There is no specific evidence cited, however, to support this proposition nor any resolution of the incompatibility it would imply with the above stated references." Kathleen Much

Ok thanks Craig I will await clarification from Scott and find out how I can get copies of the magazine and/or article. The only explanation as to why "John the Elder" wasn't mentioned in the wills would be either he was dead or he had already been provided for. I had Elizabeth.... and here's the interesting thing.... I had her and John the Elder listed with same birth date. Were they twins? Did their mother Elizabeth die after child birth? I look forward to hearing what Scott has to say about these two Johns. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Correction re Tarpley Janean: (1) I was mistaken in that Scott Tracy was a member of this list. He was not. But, he has asked to be subscribed which I have done, and I will let him address many of these issues. On Sep 4, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > I will enjoy reading these articles, but can I purchase them individually or > do I need to subscribe? How can I get them? I will let Scott address that question. When one publishes for the Magazine of Virginia Genealogy there are certain copyright issues involved, though those are negotiable, and I had no part in his dealings on that subject with them. > > John Tarpley Jr. and Elizabeth Travers were my 7th Great-grandparents > through their son Travers Tarpley. > > To my knowledge, John and Elizabeth Ripping had sons Edward, James and > Tertius Quintus Ripping. Her father Edward Ripping whose will made May 12, > 1734 named his daughter and three of his grandsons Edward, James and > Quintus. There were five children. You omitted Elizabeth who died young and John, Jr. (2nd of the name, d. 1763, with no children. He is the one Colonial Williamsburg says was the father of William and Thomas, but clearly Elizabeth Ripping Tarpley's will dispels that notion) This 2nd John is what has caused so much confusion, because there was "John The Elder" son of the first marriage to Elizabeth Travers. This is the thrust of Scott's research and future articles. > > John's will distribution of slaves mentions Travers, Edward, James and John. > The estate was settled in 1745. Tertius had died prior to that however he > was named in his grandmother Mary Ripping's will 23 Aug. 1744. Mary Ripping > mentions her other three grandsons James, Quintus and John and leaves them > property that they are to receive as they attain the age of twenty one > years. See above > > So my question is... if Elizabeth Travers d. after 28 May 1720 and John > Tarpley m. shortly thereafter Elizabeth Ripping...... c. 1721/22 it sounds > to me that the child John was that of Elizabeth Ripping and John Tarpley and > not him having a John by both women. There is no mention of John in Edward > Rippings will in 1734 however there was a John named in the distribution of > slaves of his father in 1745. See above. He indeed did have two sons both named John--John the Elder and John Jr.--, by two different wives, both named Elizabeth. This has been hashed out pretty well by Scott, and supporting "opinion" was in an addendum that George H. S. King wrote to his "Marriages of Richmond County" in which this is explained. While I'm at it, "Tory Tom" Tarpley, the Doctor who later came back to Richmond County, was the son of "Elder John" Tarpley. In essence, we have: John Tarpley I mar (three times, but only had one child by wife Elizabeth Glascock: John Tarpley II mar (1) Elizabeth Travers by whom (among others) "John The Elder" mar (2) Elizabeth Ripping by whom (among others) "John Jr." I'm sure Scott will help to clarify this. Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janean: (1) I was mistaken in that Scott Tracy was a member of this list. He was not. But, he has asked to be subscribed which I have done, and I will let him address many of these issues. On Sep 4, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > I will enjoy reading these articles, but can I purchase them individually or > do I need to subscribe? How can I get them? I will let Scott address that question. When one publishes for the Magazine of Virginia Genealogy there are certain copyright issues involved, though those are negotiable, and I had no part in his dealings on that subject with them. > > John Tarpley Jr. and Elizabeth Travers were my 7th Great-grandparents > through their son Travers Tarpley. > > To my knowledge, John and Elizabeth Ripping had sons Edward, James and > Tertius Quintus Ripping. Her father Edward Ripping whose will made May 12, > 1734 named his daughter and three of his grandsons Edward, James and > Quintus. There were five children. You omitted Elizabeth who died young and John, Jr. (2nd of the name, d. 1763, with no children. He is the one Colonial Williamsburg says was the father of William and Thomas, but clearly Elizabeth Ripping Tarpley's will dispels that notion) This 2nd John is what has caused so much confusion, because there was "John The Elder" son of the first marriage to Elizabeth Travers. This is the thrust of Scott's research and future articles. > > John's will distribution of slaves mentions Travers, Edward, James and John. > The estate was settled in 1745. Tertius had died prior to that however he > was named in his grandmother Mary Ripping's will 23 Aug. 1744. Mary Ripping > mentions her other three grandsons James, Quintus and John and leaves them > property that they are to receive as they attain the age of twenty one > years. See above > > So my question is... if Elizabeth Travers d. after 28 May 1720 and John > Tarpley m. shortly thereafter Elizabeth Ripping...... c. 1721/22 it sounds > to me that the child John was that of Elizabeth Ripping and John Tarpley and > not him having a John by both women. There is no mention of John in Edward > Rippings will in 1734 however there was a John named in the distribution of > slaves of his father in 1745. See above. He indeed did have two sons both named John--John the Elder and John Jr.--, by two different wives, both named Elizabeth. This has been hashed out pretty well by Scott, and supporting "opinion" was in an addendum that George H. S. King wrote to his "Marriages of Richmond County" in which this is explained. While I'm at it, "Tory Tom" Tarpley, the Doctor who later came back to Richmond County, was the son of "Elder John" Tarpley. In essence, we have: John Tarpley I mar (three times, but only had one child by wife Elizabeth Glascock: John Tarpley II mar (1) Elizabeth Travers by whom (among others) "John The Elder" mar (2) Elizabeth Ripping by whom (among others) "John Jr." I'm sure Scott will help to clarify this. Craig

I'm looking to connect some dots. Judith Ball m. Leroy Griffin? Was she the daughter of James Ball and Lettice Lee? I show a Lettice Lee m. to William Ball V. m. 1740 Here's what I'm trying to connect. Easter Ball and Rawleigh Chinn had Joseph.. w/his marriage to Priscilla Downman they had John Chinn who married Sarah Yates.. they had John Yates Chinn and Joseph Chinn who m. Elizabeth Griffin whose mother was Judith Ball... HERE's where I need to connect the dots. Joseph and Elizabeth Griffin Chinn had John Leroy (here's my Leroy Griffin connection) and brother Joseph (.. ) can't make out middle name.. looks like William which would substantiate my William Ball m. to Lettice Lee? I got the James Ball and Lettice Lee off World Connect. Anyway.. to continue.. Joseph William Chinn (we'll call him) m. Marianna Smith of Moratico Hall. They had Gertrude? Griffin Chinn who married Ro. S. Hipkins?..... and a J. W. Chinn? B. 1836 m. in 1860 to Gabriella Brockenbrough. There is a notation below the name of Jos Wm Chinn (my father) so this would appear to be written by possibly this Gertrude? They had Joseph W. Chinn Jr. b. 1866; Austin B. Chinn b. 1869; and Maltin A. Chinn b. 1871 (I can't read the writing so help me here) It appears that Gabriella Brockenbrough wife of J. W. Chinn Sr. d. Feb 2nd 1874. and her son the above Joseph W. Chinn Jr. m. in 1885 (second marriage) to Josephine Lane and had issue two daughters and a son. Can someone please help me with these names and spellings and if you have dates I'd appreciate it. I don't need tons of lineage right now. I have all that. I need to connect the Griffins, Leroys, Balls, Chinns in this story. Thanks Janean

I will enjoy reading these articles, but can I purchase them individually or do I need to subscribe? How can I get them? John Tarpley Jr. and Elizabeth Travers were my 7th Great-grandparents through their son Travers Tarpley. To my knowledge, John and Elizabeth Ripping had sons Edward, James and Tertius Quintus Ripping. Her father Edward Ripping whose will made May 12, 1734 named his daughter and three of his grandsons Edward, James and Quintus. John's will distribution of slaves mentions Travers, Edward, James and John. The estate was settled in 1745. Tertius had died prior to that however he was named in his grandmother Mary Ripping's will 23 Aug. 1744. Mary Ripping mentions her other three grandsons James, Quintus and John and leaves them property that they are to receive as they attain the age of twenty one years. So my question is... if Elizabeth Travers d. after 28 May 1720 and John Tarpley m. shortly thereafter Elizabeth Ripping...... c. 1721/22 it sounds to me that the child John was that of Elizabeth Ripping and John Tarpley and not him having a John by both women. There is no mention of John in Edward Rippings will in 1734 however there was a John named in the distribution of slaves of his father in 1745. I show Edward Ripping Tarpley as born 19 Apr. 1727 if John Tarpley III was born say in 1734 or later he would have only been 7 years younger than Edward. So the listing I have for the children of John Tarpley Jr. and Elizabeth Travers as Maj. Travers Tarpley, John Tarpley III and Elizabeth Tarpley (the last two I show as being twins? Born 28 May 1720) Not sure right now why I have the same birth date for them but I am now thinking John Tarpley III belonged to his father's second marriage. Thoughts? Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 9:26 PM To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Correction re Tarpley Hi all, Scott Tracy asks me to make a correction to my previous post: <<Craig, One correction to your note. Elizabeth Ripping was the second wife of John Tarpley, Jr., a Kings Attorney. John Tarpley, Jr. was the son of John Tarpley, Sr. a Burgess, and his first wife, Elizabeth Glascock. (I know it's confusing...) Scott>> And, if I have this part right, the first wife of John Tarpley, Jr. was Elizabeth Travers, a daughter of Samuel Travers and Frances ALLERTON. His second wife was Elizabeth Ripping. And he had sons named John by BOTH wives, who were both named Elizabeth. Confusing--yes! It's been a while since I've worked with Scott on this, so please excuse my rusty memory. I think I am also remiss in my comments about Thomas Tarpley of Richmond County being a Tory. I'm hoping Scott will jump in clarify. Thanks for you understanding, Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Scott Tracy asks me to make a correction to my previous post: <<Craig, One correction to your note. Elizabeth Ripping was the second wife of John Tarpley, Jr., a Kings Attorney. John Tarpley, Jr. was the son of John Tarpley, Sr. a Burgess, and his first wife, Elizabeth Glascock. (I know it's confusing...) Scott>> And, if I have this part right, the first wife of John Tarpley, Jr. was Elizabeth Travers, a daughter of Samuel Travers and Frances ALLERTON. His second wife was Elizabeth Ripping. And he had sons named John by BOTH wives, who were both named Elizabeth. Confusing--yes! It's been a while since I've worked with Scott on this, so please excuse my rusty memory. I think I am also remiss in my comments about Thomas Tarpley of Richmond County being a Tory. I'm hoping Scott will jump in clarify. Thanks for you understanding, Craig

Hello all, and Happy Labor Day! It was indeed a labor by our fellow list member Scott Tracy La Canada Flintridge, California, has just published one of three planned articles on the Tarpley family of Richmond County, Virginia. This first article is titled "The Will of Elizabeth (Ripping) Tarpley of Williamsburg" is in the latest issue of *The Magazine of Virginia Genealogy* (Vol. 49, No. 3, August 2001, p. 241-245). In this article, Scott transcribes several important documents. The most important is the will of Elizabeth (Ripping) Tarpley, a native of Williamsburg and James City County who married, as his second wife, John Tarpley, Sr. of Richmond County, a Burgess. While James City County records are lost, a chancery suit in York County was brought many years later where portions of her will were reproduced. She had survived all five of her children, leaving two grandchildren, Thomas and William, who had attended the College of William & Mary and who defected to the British when the Revolution broke out. They were the sons of her son James Tarpley, the donor of the church bell at Bruton Parish. Scott goes on to transcribe several memorials relating to the two sons' claims for confiscated property taken by the Americans. William ends up in Nova Scotia, and as will be seen in a follow up article, Thomas Tarpley does indeed return to Richmond County. There will be a much more detailed genealogical study of the Tarpleys in the next issue of the Virginia Magazine of Genealogy. Further, a somewhat more light-hearted and Northern-Neck based version of some of this story is planned for the 2012 issue of the Northern Neck of Virginia Historical Magazine. You can open a discussion here on this list, or contact Scott directly at [email protected] I have enjoyed working with Scott on some of the research for these articles. It is indeed an interesting family, as we shall see. Who knows--dare I say it? We may learn some new things on New England origins of some of our Northern Neck families. Best, Craig Kilby craigkilby.com

Sparacio - Order Book Abstract of Lancaster Co 1670-1674 Court 10 Sept 1673 John Champion married relict of John Meredith Elenora Green

Please disregard my last message and thanks for the information below.   David From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 4:30 PM Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] John Campion Sparacio - Order Book Abstract of Lancaster Co 1670-1674 Court 10 Sept 1673 John Champion married relict of John Meredith Elenora Green ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My ancestor Thomas Berry (1683-1743) was married to Patience (MNU) and they were parents of Patience Berry who married John Ingram (Patience Berry & John Ingram had daughter Sarah Ingram who married Christopher Dameron, son of Bartholomew Dameron & Anne Morehead and grandson to Christopher Dameron & Sarah Ball).   Thomas Berry (1683-1743) was the son of Thomas Berry, Sr. (c.1659-c.1700) who supposedly married Margaret, widow of Thomas Smith.    I have the following questions pertaining to Thomas Berry, Sr. (c.1659-c.1700): ·         Was Thomas Berry, Sr. (c.1659-c.1700) the father of Mary Berry who married in c.1709 to Thomas Harding (Mary Berry’s second husband was supposedly Royston Betts)?   Some show this Mary Berry as daughter of a William Berry, but I can find no proof either way.   ·         Was Widow Margaret Smith the only wife of Thomas Berry, Sr. (c.1659-c.1700) and mother to all of his children including Thomas Berry (1683-1743) who married Patience MNU?   ·         Was Thomas Berry, Sr. married to the daughter of Elizabeth Morton who married first to Clement Lattimore and second to George Bledsoe and left a will in 1708 in which she mentioned granddaughter Mary Berry?   ·         If Thomas Berry, Sr. was married to the daughter of Elizabeth (Morton) Lattimore  Bledsoe, was it Widow Margaret Smith who was daughter of Elizabeth (Morton) Lattimore Bledsoe or did Thomas Berry, Sr. have another wife who was daughter of Elizabeth (Morton) Lattimore Bledsoe?   Relative to my questions above, I’m pasting some links below with relevant excerpts including  1) Will of Andrew Morton (thanks to Mike Marshall); 2) Will of Elizabeth (Morton) Lattimore Bledsoe  (notice she had a son named Richard Lattimore); 3) Information relating to Will of Thomas Berry, Sr.; & 4) Deed from Thomas Berry (1683-1743) to Thomas Gill in which Richard Lattimore is mentioned as “attorney” to Patience Berry, wife of Thomas Berry (1683-1743).     The last three links are from Earl Hitt. Thanks! David   http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I55364 1674-1678 Order Book Northumberland Co Va; Antient Press: Pg 289 Northumberland County Court 21th of June 1677 - ANDW: MORTON's Will proved This day the Last Will and Testament of ANDREW MORTON was proved by ye Oathes of WILLIAM BARRY and ISAAC ESTER, wittnesses to ye Will - Appraysers of MORTON's Estate EZEKIELL GENESIS, JOHN BOWEN and JOHN CHAMPION are appointed to apprayse the Estate of ANDREW MORTON, deced., they being first sworne by the next Justice of the Peace === 1687-1699 Order Book Part 2 - Northumberland Co Va; Hamrick: Pg 489 Northumberland County Court November 22, 1689 HENRY BRUCE, having married MARY the Daughter and heir of ANDREW MORTON deceased against CLEMENT LATTEMORE and THOMAS WILLIAMS Sr. and heir of THOMAS WILLIAMS deceased Overseers to the said ANDREW MORTON's Estate referred to the next Court.   http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hitthaynie&id=I8502 The following is the noncupative will of Elizabeth Bledsoe: (Northumberland County, Virginia Record Book 17, p. 55) Will Written: 13 Feb 1707/8; Will Probated: 21 July 1708. In the name of God Amen, I Elizabeth Bledsoe being in good health of body & perfect memory praise be therefore given to Almighty God. I do make and ordaine this my last will & testament in manner and forme following . . . Imprimis I commit my Soule into the hands of Almighty God hoping through the merit and intercession of my Savior Jesus Christ to have full pardon and forgiveness of all my sins & to inheritt everlasting life, my body I comit to the earth to be decently buryed at the discretion of my Exers. hereinafter named and as for the disposition of all my temporall estate as it has pleased Almighty God to bestow upon me I give and dispose therof as followeth, First, I will that my debts and funerall charges shall be paid and discharged. Item I give & bequeath unto my well beloved son Richard Lattimore one cow. Secondly I give & bequeath unto my grand daughter Mary Berry the first female child that my negro woman Nan brings after my decease & likewise one feather bed bolster & pillow & rugg and also one hoggshead of tobacco waying five hundred to buy her sound pewter and Thirdly I give & bequeath unto my grand daughter Winifred Nelmes a molatto girl named Betty and all her future increase and Lastly, I give & bequeath unto my son in law William Nelmes and my owne daughter Elizabeth Nelmes wife to sd. William Nelmes all my personall estate moveables chattles or unmoveables as also other things that is of my estate I doe freely give & bequeath after my decease but nothing to be . . . . . . . with nursing my life. Likewise I doe ordaine & constitute & appoint William Nelmes and Elizabeth his wife my daughter to be my sole exers. of this my last will & testament conteyning halfe a sheet of paper as witness my hand & seale this 13th day of feby. in 1707/1708. (equals 24 Feb 1708, corrected) seale No Signature Teste Alexr. Mulrain, Richd. (R) Smith, Damol Dunaway, and mark of _____________. Die July 25, 1708. Alexander Mulrain, Richd Smith & Da. . . Dunaway did this day in Court make oath that they did hear Elizabeth Bledsoe publish & declare this to be her last will & testament and that she did seale same and the said Mulrain in his oath further saith that this estate was very . . . . . that might be taken hereof that the reason why she had not left her son Richard Lattimore anything materiall in her will was because she had theretofor bestowed liberally of what she had unto him. Teste Tho. Hobson Vera Copa Teste. Tho. Hobson, C.C. Test. Die Marty 22, 1711 this copy was presented by Mr. William Nelmes and by the court approved and on his oath sd Nelmes and his motion . . . . Admitted to record. Teste Tho. Hobson Cl. Court. Northld.   http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hitthaynie&id=I13405 Thomas is identified in a deed dated 17 February 1708/9, wherein Francis & Wm Smythe: "...... by deed dated 14 Feb 1682/3 sold to Tho Berry 300 acres of land ....." which he gave in his will to his 2 sons Tho and Wm Berry (Complete deed cited son, Thomas Berry, Jr.) According to the will of Elizabeth (Lattimore) Bledsoe, one of her heirs was her granddaughter, Mary Berry. (17.55) Thomas wrote his will 15 April 1700 and it was probated on 17 July 1700, St. Stephen's Parish, Northumberland County, Virginia. The will named: Thomas Jr., William, John, James, and George; all under age of 21, George being the youngest. Margaret is named his wife. (17.106)   http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hitthaynie&id=I22601 Deed dated 17 February 1708/9 of Wicco par, planter, sells Tho Gill of St. Stephen's par, cordwainer, for 4000 lb tobo, 1/2 part of land late in tenure of Tho Gill where he now liveth in St. S par, part of a patent granted to Roger Walters for 1000 acres which he in his will of 29 Dec 1669 bequeathed to "his sone Roger Walters and Francis the wife of Wm Smythe equally to be divided between them" The said Roger the son dieing without issue his part descended to Francis, which Francis and her husband Wm by deed dated 14 Feb 1682/3 sold to Tho Berry 300 acres, half the land thereof of this deed, to which Tho Berry, father of the Tho Berry party to these presents, by his will dated 15 April 1700, proved 17 July 1700, gave the said 300 acres to his 2 sons Tho and Wm Berry. The 300 acres adj a hickory near the church, Wildey's land, also adj 100 acres sold by Tho Berry the f ather in his life time to Nicho Parris out of the 300 acres. Deed signed by Tho Berry. Witnessed by Wm Harcum, Jno Berry, Fra: McCormack. Ack by Tho Berry and Patience his wife by her atty Richd Lattemore. Re-rec 17 Sept 1712 by Tho Gill.

First, my thoughts are with everyone affected by the hurricane. Secondly, thanks to Mike Marshall for all the information he has posted on his Rootsweb site.   Referring to information found on Mike’s site (see excerpts below), it appears that a woman named Dorothy married at least three times as follows:   Abraham Byrum/Byram (married before 1670), John Meredith (married bef. 1670), and John Champion (married abt. 1670).    Mike shows this woman as being the daughter of my ancestors Lawrence & Dorothy Dameron.    However, Dorothy Dameron who was daughter of Lawrence Dameron (died c.1658) & Dorothy (MNU) married twice – Josias Gaskins and Samuel Mahan as indicated in many sources including the following: (http://books.google.com/books?id=55I38FXWyPgC&lpg=PA468&ots=MkmG6jO6XP&dq=%22dorothy%20dameron%22%20%22bartholomew%22%20%22george%22&pg=PA468#v=onepage&q=%22dorothy%20dameron%22%20%22bartholomew%22%20%22george%22&f=false) I think it’s very possible that this Dorothy who married Byrum/Byram, Meredith, and Champion probably was related to Dorothy Dameron (relict of Lawrence Dameron), but doubt it was a mother/daughter relationship. This leads to my questions.   A patent to Peter Knight was granted to Lawrence Dameron in 1655 (as cited on Mike’s Rootsweb site and pasted below).   Witnesses included Abraham Byrum/Byram (who later was overseer of Lawrence Dameron’s will) and also a woman named Dorothy Giles.   ·         Who is this Dorothy Giles???     ·         Is it possible this Dorothy Giles is the same person who was later married to Abraham Byrum/Byram, John Meredith, and finally to John Champion???      ·         Also, what the relationship, if any, of Dorothy Giles to Peter Knight (Mike shows one of her sons by Abraham Byrum/Byram as being named Peter..perhaps in honor of Peter Knight?)?     ·         Further, could my Dorothy Dameron (wife of Lawrence) somehow be connected with Peter Knight, which is why Peter Knight granted this land to her husband Lawrence Dameron?   Also, is Dorothy Dameron (wife of Lawrence) related to Dorothy (Giles?) Bryam Meredith Champion in some other way than hypothesized by Mike on his website???   If anyone can clarify the relationships, I’d love to hear from you. Thanks! David   http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I82992 1669-1673 Order Book Northumberland Co Va; Antient Press: Pg 102 Northumberland County Court 10th of September 1670 - Whereas MRS. DOROTHY DAMERON did p:duce a Note under ye hand of JNO: MERIDITH, deced., for two Cowes & Calf, for wch: upon her Oath she hath declared yt; she hath reced. noe satisfaccon, Judgmt. is granted ye sd. MRS. DAMERON against JOHN CHAMPION, who maryed ye Relict of ye sd. JNO: MERIDITH for one thousand pounds of tobaccoe & caske wth: costs === 1669-1673 Order Book Northumberland Co Va; Antient Press: Pg 109 Northumberland County Court 25th of January 1670/1671 Whereas it appeares to this Cort: yt: JOHN CHAMPION as he is ye Husband of DOROTHY, ye Admrr of JOHN MERIDITH, ye Admr. of ABR: BRYAN, stands indebted unto Mr, AMBR: FEILDING ye sume of foure thousand five hundred forty & two pounds of tobaccoe & caske, Judgmt, is granted ye sd. Mr. FEILDING agt. ye sd. JOHN CHAMPION for ye sd. sume wth: costs === 1669-1673 Order Book Northumberland Co Va; Antient Press: Pg 135 Northumberland County Court 15th of November 1671 - Ordered yt: JOHN CHAMPION, who maryed ye Relicte of ABR: BYRAM, forthwth : deliver an Account of ye sd. BYRAM's Estate & pay unto ye Orphants of ye sd. BYRAM seaventeene hundred pounds of tobaccoe & caske, being for seaventeene sheep yt: belonged unto ye sd, Estate === 1680-1683 Order Book Northumberland Co Va; Antient Press: Pg 129 Northumberland County Court 17th of May 1682 - BRYAM agt CHAMPION Whereas it appeares to this Court by a Deed of Guift under the hand and seale of DOROTHY MERIDITH, Mother to ABRAHAM BYRAM dated 11th January 1670 and by an Order of Wicocomico Vestry dated the 21st 8br 1671 that JOHN CHAMPION who marryed ye said DOROTHY is indebted to the said ABRAHAM BYRAM one good feather bed with furniture; Judgment is granted ABRAHAM BYRAM against JOHN CHAMPION for the feather bed and furniture with costs als Execution - Appeale JOHN CHAMPION appealeth from this Order to a hearing before ye Right Honble his Excellency the Governor and Councill the 6th day of the next Generall Court which is granted, he giving good caution to prosecute his appeale according to Law - Bond JOHN CHAMPION and SAMUELL GOCH doe oblige themselves joyntly and severally to the Justices of Northumberland County in the penall sume of ten thousand pounds of tobacco and caske that JOHN CHAMPION shall prosecute his appeale - Bond ABRAHAM BYRAM and JOHN HARRIS doe oblige themselves joyntly and severally to the Justices of Northumberland County in the penall sume of ten thousand pounds of tobacco and caske that ABRAHAM BYRAM shall appeare and answer the appeale of JOHN CHAMPION     http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I71634 Northumberland County Record Book 1652 -1658: ©Peter's Row - 2002 Mr. Knight his assignment of a pattent unto Lawrence Dameron, These presents witness that I Peter Knight of Wicocomoco Gent. do hereby and for a valuable consideration received before the signing here of [-----] I acknowledge myself to be fuIly contented and [----] seIl and assume over to Mr. Lawrence Dameron all my right title and interest to and in the above mentioned pattent and land and do engage myself my heirs extrs assignees to warrent that I have sufficient power to make a legal and sufficient sale thereof, hereto witness my hand and seal this fourth day of June in the year of our Lord one thousand six hundred and fifty and five. Peter Knight Signed sealed and delivered in the presence of William Thomas, George Dodson The words June and the word five interlined before the signing hereof Peter Knight. Witness Abraham Byram his mark, Dorothy Giles her mark. 20th August 1655, this assignment was acknowledgeed in court unto Mr. Lawrence Dameron by Mr. Peter Knight and the assignment and pattent are recorded.

You know, when they tell you stay off the roads during a hurricane they mean it. A huge, 140 year old oak tree in the front yard just "POOF!" blew right over and into Morattico Road. Some fool was driving down the road and had s/he been two second early, s/he would have been smashed like a bug. There won't be going out of or into Morattico for many days. Hopefully the residents there did as they were told yesterday and evacuated yesterday. But, there are some homes on the way from Litwalton (here) to Morattico not in the flood zone. And just think, the worst is yet to come. And oh yes, the power finally went out. What fun. Craig On Aug 27, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > Hello all. Here is an update on the hurricane in the Northern Neck as of 4:40 p.m. Much wind and rain. "Falling Oaks" where I live is living up to its name, as a huge trunk of one of the last three might oaks came crashing down. Thankfully, it did not hit the house or the TV satellite. > > Much of the area is without power, though miraculously still on here. The Norris Bridge has been closed and many of the roads in an around Kilmarnock, White Stone and Irvington (all without power) have been closed. Lancaster County Emergency Services has been sending out frequent robo calls to the residents. Last night they wanted Morattico, Windmill Point and other low lying areas evacuated. > > The worst of this storm has yet to hit the Northern Neck, particularly Lancaster and Northumberland. That won't hit for another few hours as they slowly progresses. We are told to expect 60 mph sustained winds (!). > > Of course there are many leaks to be attended to. We have over 12" rain so far, despite what the weather people say. > > But, this too shall pass. > > Craig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >